Your definition of bashing sounds fine to me, bonobo, and it is clear that laopo and some other posters do not fall into that category

"Criticizing a country or its politicians is not bashing. To say you don't feel comfortable flying a US carrier to Thailand because you don't trust the US security measures is your opinion. That is not bashing. To say that you feel George Bush caused problems in the Muslim world which has worsen the problem in the south of Thailand is again your opinion. To say you don't like McDonalds, and you think that is indicative of American food, well, that is opinion, too. But that is not US bashing.

But to say all Americans should be killed, as one Australian poster posted, or to say the US is an "evil pox on the world," as another member posted, well, yes, that is bashing. To use profanity in denigrating a country or a people is bashing. To state that the US is the cause of all the major problems in the world is probably bashing.

Criticism is OK, bashing isn't. On the other hand, even if is is not bashing, some US posters might take issue with a critical post. They may think highly of Bush, airport security, or American food. And that is their opinion, and they have the same rights as anyone else to post that opinion."

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But let's talk about the topic and one of the questions raised.

Is there over-sensitivity by Americans? That question is not of itself bashing America or Americans. Your last paragraph addresses the question of over-sensitivity.

But, to pursue it and see if there is a link to over-sensitivity turning into bashing ( and I would argue also baiting) , let's look at a recent example on Thaivisa. I will not identify the poster. I am discussing the post.

A poster quite fairly in my view said he was a loyal and patriotic American. He gave, to support that opinion, a reference to " the charitable nature of America". No problem there either. But then he started to bash ( not criticize) the countries in receipt of such charity.

"Those that take and take and take are often the worst offenders. So they name call." That is not criticizing that is bashing.

"One thing is certain - America and Americans can take it. We're use to being hated by the ignorant and weak due to our superior strength and character."

I do not mind the emotion so much as the invective.

So, why is there this over-sensitivity that turns a criticism ( acceptable by the bonobo definition) into bashing ( unacceptable by the bonobo definition) and in this example, what is clearly an incitement for posters to jump on the bashing bandwagon. I read his post and did not bash America in retaliation. I hope no others take the bait. But one can see how this America bashing can originate.

This is my first post on Bedlam and it is refreshing being able to debate issues openly and frankly.

Caf

I usually sit up and take notice when you write Caf, but I am not sure which are your words and which are not there. I recognise some of the quotes.

Ahh...I looked again and I can see now which are your words and which are quoted.

If some of thse are quotes from Lao Po, it could be important to your post to point that out.

I usually sit up and take notice when you write Caf, but I am not sure which are your words and which are not there. I recognise some of the quotes.

Ahh...I looked again and I can see now which are your words and which are quoted.

If some of thse are quotes from Lao Po, it could be important to your post to point that out.

My apologies. No quotes are from Laopo. I was quoting Bonobo and the poster I have not identified. As he has not contributed to this thread and Bonobo has I felt it unfair to quote his name. My point is the post and not the poster. If mods allow I will quote his name. In the meantime I will amend my post to be clearer who is being quoted.

Thanks for pointing out this lack of clarity.

Mea culpa Mea culpa Mea maxima culpa

Caf

Hey LaoPo, it's good to see you are doing alright.

Anyway, I have not really been visiting TV lately and I am not sure the mood or temperment of the other Americans here on TV, but as for myself boxing an entire nation into one trait is the same as describing all of one race with the same traits, so kind like racism, yeah? It's just plain stupid.

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So, LaoPo I am sorry about my fellow countrymen, they are acting more often than not from emotions then taking the time to think these issues through. Our news doesn't encourge such thinking for they always have a slant they want you to side with drawing up borders rather than solutions.

Cheers and best wishes to ya!

Thank you for your thoughts about me but above all:

Thank you so much for such a thoughtful and intelligent answer!

LaoPo

LaoPo,

I am a little more free with my opinions here vice the open forum, and I really think you are making a mountain out of a molehill.

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It seems to me that you are rather lumping all Americans into the same pile, and I think that is regrettable.

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We also have a number of people who jump to the offense when women, gays, Thais, or other demographics are bashed. The only difference that I see is that not all of the people rushing to the offense are actually part of that bashed demographic.

I think you're right Bonobo.

But, it's not me creating the mountain out of a small molehill. On the contrary.

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You as Americans should answer those questions since I don't know; all the other non-Americans just see the answers: Hey, you're bashing America...the USA...

Oh, and.............. I am the last one who is "rather lumping all Americans into the same pile" since you wouldn't write that if you would know more about me and have read more of my posts, since 5 years.

I have created my own business with my own money and hands in San Francisco/Cal many years ago and I know a little of what's going on in the US and I am NOT piling all Americans into the same pile.

In fact, I am not talking "Americans" or criticizing them AT ALL !

If you say something like that, you don't know me and that's sad you bring me, personally, into the discussion since I am not the one criticizing the Americans or the USA.

I had to actually laugh when I read your responses to the above abbreviated posts.  THaibebop posts with a greeting and agreeing with you, and he is making an "thoughtful and intelligent" post.  You even thank him for his personal message to you.

I make a post which disagrees with your basic premise and even if there really is a problem, and I guess that makes my post not as thoughtful and intelligent.  And the fact that I feel you are lumping Americans together as being overly sensitive makes it sad that I am bringing you, personally into the discussion?

Seems a little ironic that you are posting about Americans being overly sensitive to criticism by calling that criticism USA bashing, but you react to a criticism in the same you way accuse Americans of reacting.

A poster quite fairly in my view said he was a loyal and patriotic American. He gave, to support that opinion, a reference to " the charitable nature of America". No problem there either. But then he started to bash ( not criticize) the countries in receipt of such charity. "Those that take and take and take are often the worst offenders. So they name call."

So, why is there this over-sensitivity that turns a criticism into bashing

He was referring to countries that ask for and accept charity from the U.S. and then trash us because they are embarrassed that they needed our help.

If you gave an unemployed neighbor $1,000 dollars to help him out and then you found out he was telling the whole neighborhood how ugly you were, you might resent it a little bit too.

I had to actually laugh when I read your responses to the above abbreviated posts. THaibebop posts with a greeting and agreeing with you, and he is making an "thoughtful and intelligent" post. You even thank him for his personal message to you.

I make a post which disagrees with your basic premise and even if there really is a problem, and I guess that makes my post not as thoughtful and intelligent. And the fact that I feel you are lumping Americans together as being overly sensitive makes it sad that I am bringing you, personally into the discussion?

Seems a little ironic that you are posting about Americans being overly sensitive to criticism by calling that criticism USA bashing, but you react to a criticism in the same you way accuse Americans of reacting.

Hear, hear!

World's most charitable nations

A country's social and political cultures influence how much money citizens give to charity, according to a November 2006 study by England's Charities Aid Foundation that ranks philanthropic donation as a percentage of gross domestic product. Among nations surveyed, these 10 are the most generous.

• 1. United States, 1.67 percent of GDP

• 2. United Kingdom, 0.73

• 3. Canada, 0.72

• 4. Australia, 0.69

• 5. South Africa, 0.64

• 6. Ireland, 0.47

• 7. Netherlands, 0.45

• 8. Singapore, 0.29

• 9. New Zealand, 0.29

• 10. Turkey, 0.23

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/16638810

Many Yanks resent being bashed when we know the truth about our generosity as a Nation and as a people.

koheesti, post #20

koheesti, post #20

Agreed, excellent post!

I missed the earlier "we saved your ass in WWII" post, of course it was to be expected though.

My patriotism extends to watching Football and Rugby. Sure Britain has done so much good (and bad) for the world but about the only contribution I made to that personally is through the taxes that I have paid and my tiny contribution to the economy through the work that I did when employed.

Of course I am grateful that I am British because being a Brit means that I had access to a modern infrastructure and one of the best educations available, asides from that though the only reason that I am British is the fact that I was born there. Being British, American, Australian or whatever is a title that is inherited and not earned through merit.

I will defend the Monarchy but that is more through wanting to defend a rich history that can be shared by the world rather really caring about the individuals concerned and I reserve that sentiment for all historical institutions across the world.

I think that what I am getting at as that I am not particularly bothered about what people might say about my country and for the most part much of it is good natured banter.

There are some things however that get under my skin and the "we saved you in WWII" argument is one of them. Allow me to illustrate:

Allied casualties:

Great Britain + Commonwealth 452,000

France 250,000

USA 295,000

USSR 13,600,000

Belgium 10,000

Holland 10,000

Norway 10,000

Poland 120,000

Greece 20,000

Yugoslavia 300,000

Czechoslovakia 20,000

China (from 1937 on) 3,500,000

Total 18,587,000

http://www.historylearningsite.co.uk/milit...f_world_war.htm

Obviously, the above table shows the approximate number of casualties of the Allied forces in WWII. The U.S. casualties amounted to less than 2% of casualties on the allied side. 2%, yet the standard response of "we saved your ass" seems to suggest that America saved the world almost singlehandedly.

Of course. America did save the world from the Nazi's, along with the Brit's, the French, the Russians, the Belgians, the Dutch, the Polish, the Greeks, the Yugoslav's, the Czech, the Chinese and any other nation that is not included in that list. It was a team effort and so to phrase America's involvement as though they were the sole saviours of the world is something that I find incredibly offensive.

I wonder what the Russians might have to say in response to such a claim? Over 70% of all Allied force's casualties were Russian. What if it was not for that extraordinary sacrifice from them fighting the Nazi's for so long and at such cost, whilst forcing the Nazi's to commit so many of their resources to the Eastern front. Of course it is only hypothetical but had Hitler been able to allocate those forces elsewhere then the Nazi war machine may have been simply unstoppable yet still the American's still want to stake a claim to the victory as though the world owes it's entire existence to them and them only.

I have omitted the axis casualties, although that is not to say that their losses should be forgotten either.

If American's want to stop being 'bashed', then they should stop making themselves targets with such ignorant and disrespectful claims.

I'm not an expert on WW2, but I don't think that most Americans think that we did all the fighting, but rather, that you would have lost without us. This means that we probably DID save your ass, even if you don't like it.

I'm not an expert on WW2, but I don't think that most Americans think that we did all the fighting, but rather, that you would have lost without us. This means that we probably DID save your ass, even if you don't like it.

I am not denying that Ulysses. The world owes a massive debt to all allied forces involved, the Americans included.

Let's just say that many of your fellow countrymen should choose their words more carefully because they can really send the wrong message at times, which is one other thing that contributes to the bashing. Or come to think of it, why even mention it at all?

Moonraker, your point is well taken, to the 88 drunken Yanks who have said it. I never heard it.

I have mostly heard it as a retort to someone bashing the USA, but as I strongly agree it was a team effort, I never use that one myself.

Now, I understand that this may not be racist in Australia and it would be understandable if in Australian company did this ad with Aussies for Aussies. However, this was an American company who was well aware of the negative view that Americans would have of the ad. So, it's a really shame on KFC, by American society. The Australians are not really apart of the agruement I think. Why would KFC take such a negative aspect of our culture and use it to sell their product in another? That is just wrong.

Okay, back on topic, sorry!

thaibebop,

As KFC is a fairly large multi-national company, I can imagine that it MAY BE possible that the Australian management of KFC came up with this ad perhaps without the knowledge of the American heavyweights (pardon the pun)

I have sent Harcourt a PM so that others who "don't get it" are still left to work it out for themselves.

But Harcourt, we will get around to the bush clips as there is no end of fun to be had there.

Thanks for the PM...yeah, I get it.

To be fair though....anyone could have unthinkingly done the same.

It's almost like, "Do you still beat your wife?". A quick unthinking reaction would be an adamant, "NO!"

There is nothing wrong with McCain except he sold his soul to be President and then he lost. He is certainly not the first to want it that badly.

I voted for Obama and I don't regret it, but McCain has conducted himself very well since then.

He is a true hero and would have made a fine President if he had run at another time against another man.

Now, I understand that this may not be racist in Australia and it would be understandable if in Australian company did this ad with Aussies for Aussies. However, this was an American company who was well aware of the negative view that Americans would have of the ad. So, it's a really shame on KFC, by American society. The Australians are not really apart of the agruement I think. Why would KFC take such a negative aspect of our culture and use it to sell their product in another? That is just wrong.

Okay, back on topic, sorry!

thaibebop,

As KFC is a fairly large multi-national company, I can imagine that it MAY BE possible that the Australian management of KFC came up with this ad perhaps without the knowledge of the American heavyweights (pardon the pun)

Of course! That is most likely what happened, but someone on the American side said Americans can't know about this. Let me make clear that I am not really poking at any group here. Yes, to American standards the ad was horribly racist, also it was never intended for American comsumers, and this is an important point for me. I hold that it is perfectly okay for something not to be accpected by one nation to be accpected by the another. If someone from one nation has a problem with what people do in another, well they shouldn't live there, this is of course simplified point.

I only brought this up because I think that TYT made it clear that they were attacking the ad and perhaps KFC yet many Aussies took it as TYT calling the Australian nation as racist, thus making direct attacks on all things Oz. Many Asutralian naitonals have bee responding with hate mail to TYT over this and the comments are very harsh on the video itself. I figured this might be an example of what LaoPo was talking about.

I personally would love someone handing me a bucket of chicken.

I'm not an expert on WW2, but I don't think that most Americans think that we did all the fighting, but rather, that you would have lost without us. This means that we probably DID save your ass, even if you don't like it.

Don't take this as a personal attack UG, ya know I love ya! However, The whole WWII agruement comes up too often I think. I have a grandfather who didn't even fight in the war and will use this to justify American moral superiority.

I took a class on WWII a few semesters back. Of course, many students when asking questions or making comments in class would say 'we' when refering to Americans involved in WWII. The professor made a point one day, to this mostly 19-22 year old group, that there is no 'we'. 'We' were not there and did not make decisions for the war, nor fought in the war, or even alive during the war, therefore 'we' can claim nothing. Also, it was somewhat insulting to those who did fight the war to include yourselves in their lives.

It might just be a little word to some, but word choice is more important than 'we' ever give it credit for. So, 'we' didn't save Europe and 'they' didn't start the war......he ll 'I' have not even been to Europe.

Also, Americans lately have been way too touchy on so many subjects. I feel that this is linked directly to the increase of right wing influence.

Sigh.

You don't think left wingers are touchy? Try saying something negative about Obama and see what they do.

Oh, of course they are! With them however, as you pointed out, you have to pick the topic they care about, like Obama. Otherwise most will not defend America just to defend America. In their view America needs attacking and massive change, why do you think they voted for Obama and his change? The ones on the right however will defend America just on principle.

You mean the flag-burning, socialist left wouldn't defend America? Hold the presses.

I'm not a "love it or leave it" kind of guy, but I don't really understand why the left-wingers in America don't leave when Europe is a beautiful place that offers them pretty much everything they want.

Because they view America as their home and feel that they should make it how they want it. Same as the right wing nuts that want a theocracy, they want their home to be as they want it and care little for what their neighbors want.

What I was trying to point out is that more and more Americans, regardless why or what over, get more emotional about the issues that they hold dear and thus repond with more bashing of others or are more reactionary to comments on their important issues. I feel that is a result of our news sources and how they present these issues.

Let me also make clear that I am not commenting on Americans posting here on TV. I am talking about Americans living in America, in other words, my neighbors. So, I am commenting on a trend that is occuring here right now. What has happened in other threads here in TV I am unaware of.

There's a sad shortage of right wing Australians here. I think soundman used to skirt around the fringes but he seems to avoid political threads which proves he's not as silly as some of his fellows.

Do we have any American lefties here? The Yanks don't really do left stuff well. Apart from Woody Guthrie I can't think of any worth consideration.

If annoys me when I hear the wishy washy US liberals referred to as "left". You should have met my grandfather, he'd show you what left wing meant.

And that's the problem with the American "Left". It isn't really left at all. If anything it's a bit right of center these days. I'd be a leftist if they didn't pussy foot around about it.

Anyway about country bashing. Lao Po bashes America in almost every thread he participates in. The when someone calls him on it , he does the Wha??. me??. Pussy. Not that America doesn't deserve bashing sometimes.

Sir, I've always respected you for what you wrote and didn't think you were the kind of man to bash upon another member; I'm surprised.

I kindly invite you to give me ONE link where I bash America, even the slightest hint. You just said I bash upon America in almost every thread so it shouldn't be too difficult.

If you do, I will sincerely apologize but don't you call me -well founded- an America basher because I'm not; but again: I'm waiting Sir.

Apart from that: if I'm such an America basher...why did I post praising topics about great Americans in the past?

Please read here: http://www.thaivisa.com/forum/Historical-A...71#entry3253871

Did you ever do the same (here on TV) about a great Frenchman, Australian or Scotsman, Italian (many great men!) or from any other country?

LaoPo

I've had my run-ins with Lao Po, but in this case I agree with Thaibebop. I think it is harder to see other sides and other interpretations of written words once your hackles are raised, or once you have made your initial interpretation.

Step back and read his words again with an open mind.

I didn't read the original thread or click the link. I don't need to. I've read 100's of bashing posts from Lao Po. That's cool and fair enough though he mays himself look petty rather than thoughtful. hel_l, I don't like the British, but I'm not gonna take a poke at one and then pretend I didn't.

I answered your earlier post already and repeat my invitation:

Just sent me ONE link/post where I bash America; you don't need to send hundreds of posts where I bash upon America, just ONE.

If you don't come up with it we'll know you are attacking me personally, not debating in all fairness.

And, again, I don't understand since I had you high, respecting you. But I'm puzzled as why you attack me.

Let's debate, not attack.

LaoPo

I know many here in middle America who spit on anything French or Chinese and really do know nothing about either. Their views come from American news sources which perfer emotional reponses instead of thoughtful stances, thus the Chinese are evil and out to sell every cheap dangerous goods and the French are weak illmoral, and resentful of American intervention in WWII. Both ideas of both countries are bullsh1t but that is the conditioned emotional reponse of many Americans until they meet some one from either country or take a moment to really think about. In other words allow a rational thought process to occur.

What do you think?

First of all I hope you read my previous answers and I will stay away for a moment from America if you don't mind. Enough attacks on my person.

I started a topic with a question and instead receiving answers, some start with a personal attack on me WITHOUT even one of them giving me examples where and how I bashed upon America; no wonder, there are no bashings from me upon America.

It's interesting you bring up France and China.

Yesterday I Googled: Bashing on Countries and the results were quite diverse actually:

A: After Copenhagen debacle; U.S. China-bashing reaches a new low: http://www.workers.org/2009/world/china_1231/

B: A few stereotypes of how the French and Americans often see each other....

The Americans see the French as ... <<<>>> The French see the Americans as ...

Here: http://www.understandfrance.org/France/Intercultural.html

C: Is India's Media Promoting China Bashing?: http://www.businessweek.com/globalbiz/cont...1019_413243.htm

D: CHINA BASHING: http://www.overcomingbias.com/2010/01/china-bashing.html

E: 60 years on, Israel-bashing diminishes message of UN human rights council : http://www.haaretz.com/hasen/spages/1045653.html

F: The Nation's Bashing By Sony (Nigeria): http://allafrica.com/stories/200910070267.html

These results were not just random picked but actually only from the first page of all Google results.

Food for Thought.

LaoPo

Did you ever do the same (here on TV) about a great Frenchman, Australian or Scotsman, Italian (many great men!) or from any other country?

Do Lennon, McCartney, Jagger, Page count? They are all great men who come up all the time,

I had to actually laugh when I read your responses to the above abbreviated posts.  THaibebop posts with a greeting and agreeing with you, and he is making an "thoughtful and intelligent" post.  You even thank him for his personal message to you.

I make a post which disagrees with your basic premise and even if there really is a problem, and I guess that makes my post not as thoughtful and intelligent.  And the fact that I feel you are lumping Americans together as being overly sensitive makes it sad that I am bringing you, personally into the discussion?

Seems a little ironic that you are posting about Americans being overly sensitive to criticism by calling that criticism USA bashing, but you react to a criticism in the same you way accuse Americans of reacting.

First of all: may I assume that you post as a member in this thread, and not a Moderator?.... because I would feel a little tense if the latter would be the case.

If you say the latter than I will step out; I don't wish to put myself in danger.

Secondly, of course you're entitled to laugh about my posts. No problem; but you take it personal. And, yes, I thanked Thaibebop for his thoughtful and intelligent post and there's nothing wrong with since it was the FIRST answer. Do you object to his answer?

Oh...he didn't send me a personal message if you mean a PM. He did not.

Third, if you and I do not agree does that mean that I think you are NOT as thoughtful and intelligent ? Who says so? Not me Bonobo; you did. I think you ARE thoughtful and intelligent; never doubted so but that doesn't mean that this thread has to turn around in a debate about and against LaoPo for heaven's sake!

I'm sorry but you now make the same mistake as a few others: you attack me personally me instead debating my opinion and questions, since the topic STARTED with a question.

I'm sorry but I ASKED why some Americans - here on TV- sometimes act so overly sensitive when it comes to America.

Instead of receiving answers I get attacked; is that fair and really necessary ?

Is it so difficult for some to debate, rather than to attack?

LaoPo

I know many here in middle America who spit on anything French or Chinese and really do know nothing about either. Their views come from American news sources which perfer emotional reponses instead of thoughtful stances, thus the Chinese are evil and out to sell every cheap dangerous goods and the French are weak illmoral, and resentful of American intervention in WWII. Both ideas of both countries are bullsh1t but that is the conditioned emotional reponse of many Americans until they meet some one from either country or take a moment to really think about. In other words allow a rational thought process to occur.

What do you think?

First of all I hope you read my previous answers and I will stay away for a moment from America if you don't mind. Enough attacks on my person.

I started a topic with a question and instead receiving answers, some start with a personal attack on me WITHOUT even one of them giving me examples where and how I bashed upon America; no wonder, there are no bashings from me upon America.

It's interesting you bring up France and China.

Yesterday I Googled: Bashing on Countries and the results were quite diverse actually:

A: After Copenhagen debacle; U.S. China-bashing reaches a new low: http://www.workers.org/2009/world/china_1231/

B: A few stereotypes of how the French and Americans often see each other....

The Americans see the French as ... <<<>>> The French see the Americans as ...

Here: http://www.understandfrance.org/France/Intercultural.html

C: Is India's Media Promoting China Bashing?: http://www.businessweek.com/globalbiz/cont...1019_413243.htm

D: CHINA BASHING: http://www.overcomingbias.com/2010/01/china-bashing.html

E: 60 years on, Israel-bashing diminishes message of UN human rights council : http://www.haaretz.com/hasen/spages/1045653.html

F: The Nation's Bashing By Sony (Nigeria): http://allafrica.com/stories/200910070267.html

These results were not just random picked but actually only from the first page of all Google results.

Food for Thought.

LaoPo

Sorry, LaoPo but the way I am reading this post it sounds like you think I was making a personal attack on you, well that is just not the case. I was speaking mostly of people I know here in America and how they engage in bashing other countries or respond to America being attacked. That was all.

That's exactly my point of debating Bashing Upon Countries as the topic title is called, and we shouldn't merely talk America here, although the Americans, who feel attacked all the time, are indeed the cause of this topic.

My question was originally: why is that ?

***RANT ALERT!! RANT ALERT!!!***RANT ALERT!! RANT ALERT!!!***

You start a thread about bashing other countries and all people talk about is America. My question is: WHY IS THAT?

On just about any issue there are other countries deserving of bashing.

Why is that ? Because the topic just started; your post is on page 1 and post #20; more to come and I answered your question already, a few posts up.

And, you missed the point: this topic is NOT exclusively about America, of course it's not but my initial question was indeed about America and immediately used by some to attack me personally instead giving answers about the vulnerability of some of the American fellow members.

And, aside, can you point me at ANY of MY posts where I attack another fellow member ?

One can say what they want about me but I always try (do not always succeed; I agree) to stay polite.

You know Koheesti, what I think is amazing, and I mean that positive ?

That this topic seems to be overly fed by Americans whilst North American members, according to an Internet survey ordered by Thaivisa, are a 25,2% minority on that Thaivisa survey: 1001 North Americans versus 53,9% from Europe or 2,145 votes ; funny

But, that 25,2% is in fact amazing overwhelming, considering that American tourists on a yearly -2008- basis count for 5,63% of all inbound Thai tourism + Canada with 1,44% = total 7,07% and also taken into consideration that the Americas are much further away the Europe or Australia. But the latter has a smaller population

Question 3:

http://www.surveymonkey.com/sr.aspx?sm=zdy...KqE1qiDONL1A_3d

LaoPo

Sorry, LaoPo but the way I am reading this post it sounds like you think I was making a personal attack on you, well that is just not the case. I was speaking mostly of people I know here in America and how they engage in bashing other countries or respond to America being attacked. That was all.

No, I didn't think so; it's my sometimes (or maybe even many times) of unlucky searching -and writing!- for the right words or sentences.

You guys THINK English, for me it's still difficult at times, especially when I'm tired, like now.

LaoPo

And, you missed the point: this topic is NOT exclusively about America, of course it's not but my initial question was indeed about America and immediately used by some to attack me personally instead giving answers about the vulnerability of some of the American fellow members.

You are assuming that others buy your original premise, but very few members do. They realize that America is bashed on a regular basis on Thai Visa and that you are doing your best to avoid admitting that fact.

Did you ever do the same (here on TV) about a great Frenchman, Australian or Scotsman, Italian (many great men!) or from any other country?

Do Lennon, McCartney, Jagger, Page count? They are all great men who come up all the time,

..I wasn't aware you posted topics about them; must have missed something.

Well, one can't read everything, right?

Which "Page" are you referring to? Jimmy Page? You certainly have a "wide spread" taste in music.

LaoPo

And, you missed the point: this topic is NOT exclusively about America, of course it's not but my initial question was indeed about America and immediately used by some to attack me personally instead giving answers about the vulnerability of some of the American fellow members.

You are assuming that others buy your original premise, but very few members do. They realize that America is bashed on a regular basis on Thai Visa and that you are doing your best to avoid admitting that fact.

See, you're not getting my ORIGINAL point.

I have been asking since my OP......WHY and HOW COME that some American fellow members are so sensitive when someone is bashing upon....blablabla...read what I wrote before.

I am NOT denying it!!!! WHERE?

I was ASKING...am I now clear or what ?

How on earth can I ask WHY Americans are so sensitive if there is NO bashing ? Can't you read what I write or is my English that bad ?

Jeeez....

And: Ulysses G, in case you forgot how it all started, read again if you please:

http://www.thaivisa.com/forum/Bashing-Coun...01#entry3253901

LaoPo