http://www.boston.com/bigpicture/2010/01/h...ours_later.html

Some pretty horrific pictures.

The situation is horrific.

I heard an estimate that eventual casualties will be in the 100's of thousands taking into account resultant water and hygeine problems.

It is dire.

haiti has an average age of only 18.2 yrs. where did all the people go? Cambodia who suffered PP has an average age of 21 and some change. oddly both countries have their roots with the french. Both countries are on international finacial aid. My question along with where have all the hatians gone is also where has all the money gone? One report said they had no fire trucks or heavy equipment to remove rubble? After all these yrs on the tit and they have nothing to show for it. imo Haiti is a perfect example of how the NGO's, use countries like it to line their own pockets. can somebody please name one country that has progressed from being considered a developing nation on the dole to a country that is self sufficient? This earth quake has killed many but what killed those before. what percentage of the cash donations being sent will be swallowed by admin fees, politicians, and black market mafia. When is enough, enough?

Of course there is a lot of corruption down in Haiti. Always has been. Billions and billions of dollars in aid has been swallowed up there over the past two decades with little to show for it. But we - the rest of the world that is - are just going to have to find a way around it. NOT giving or helping isn't an option after such a disaster. We can always hope that the worst of the worst down there were victims themselves.

haiti has an average age of only 18.2 yrs. where did all the people go? Cambodia who suffered PP has an average age of 21 and some change. oddly both countries have their roots with the french. Both countries are on international finacial aid. My question along with where have all the hatians gone is also where has all the money gone? One report said they had no fire trucks or heavy equipment to remove rubble? After all these yrs on the tit and they have nothing to show for it. imo Haiti is a perfect example of how the NGO's, use countries like it to line their own pockets. can somebody please name one country that has progressed from being considered a developing nation on the dole to a country that is self sufficient? This earth quake has killed many but what killed those before. what percentage of the cash donations being sent will be swallowed by admin fees, politicians, and black market mafia. When is enough, enough?

Haiti has a very high percentage of AIDS sufferers. A quick check revealed 7,500 reported deaths in 2007.

Haiti

Life Expectancy at Birth:

male: 59.13 years

female: 62.48 years (2009 est.)

Haiti is the poorest country in the Western Hemisphere with 80% of the population living under the poverty line and 54% in abject poverty. Two-thirds of all Haitians depend on the agricultural sector, mainly small-scale subsistence farming, and remain vulnerable to damage from frequent natural disasters, exacerbated by the country's widespread deforestation. While the economy has recovered in recent years, registering positive growth since 2005, four tropical storms in 2008 severely damaged the transportation infrastructure and agricultural sector. US economic engagement under the Haitian Hemispheric Opportunity through Partnership Encouragement (HOPE) Act, passed in December 2006, has boosted apparel exports and investment by providing tariff-free access to the US. HOPE II, passed in October 2008, has further improved the export environment for the apparel sector by extending preferences to 2018; the apparel sector accounts for two-thirds of Haitian exports and nearly one-tenth of GDP. Remittances are the primary source of foreign exchange, equaling nearly a quarter of GDP and more than twice the earnings from exports. Haiti suffers from high inflation, a lack of investment because of insecurity and limited infrastructure, and a severe trade deficit. In 2005, Haiti paid its arrears to the World Bank, paving the way for reengagement with the Bank. Haiti is expected to receive debt forgiveness for about $525 million of its debt through the Highly-Indebted Poor Country (HIPC) initiative by mid-2009. The government relies on formal international economic assistance for fiscal sustainability.

CIA: https://www.cia.gov/library/publications/th...ok/geos/ha.html

Note: A Lady I watched on television last night and who adopted a child from Haiti long ago, who's now grown up and educated (in Haiti now helping the poor) told that wherever you look in Haiti you see children....no old people...just children, everywhere,............ without a future.

LaoPo

I don't normally get too bothered by a sick sense of humor, but so soon? While people are still suffering and dying? Maybe I'm just too sensitive (yeah, right) but what do you guys think of this posted by one of my friends on Facebook. So far, I'm the only one to question it, but other people seem to be joining in on the "fun":

"

In light of the tragedy in Haiti, I propose we create a list of songs to be avoided by radio stations and individual listeners, lest they be viewed to be in poor taste. 'Shake It Up' by The Cars, for instance, I find particularly offensive and insensitive at this point in time. I appeal to you to help me populate this list and circulate it to the Facebook community, so that no stone is left unturned.

"

Haiti

Life Expectancy at Birth:

male: 59.13 years

female: 62.48 years (2009 est.)

Haiti is the poorest country in the Western Hemisphere with 80% of the population living under the poverty line and 54% in abject poverty. Two-thirds of all Haitians depend on the agricultural sector, mainly small-scale subsistence farming, and remain vulnerable to damage from frequent natural disasters, exacerbated by the country's widespread deforestation. While the economy has recovered in recent years, registering positive growth since 2005, four tropical storms in 2008 severely damaged the transportation infrastructure and agricultural sector. US economic engagement under the Haitian Hemispheric Opportunity through Partnership Encouragement (HOPE) Act, passed in December 2006, has boosted apparel exports and investment by providing tariff-free access to the US. HOPE II, passed in October 2008, has further improved the export environment for the apparel sector by extending preferences to 2018; the apparel sector accounts for two-thirds of Haitian exports and nearly one-tenth of GDP. Remittances are the primary source of foreign exchange, equaling nearly a quarter of GDP and more than twice the earnings from exports. Haiti suffers from high inflation, a lack of investment because of insecurity and limited infrastructure, and a severe trade deficit. In 2005, Haiti paid its arrears to the World Bank, paving the way for reengagement with the Bank. Haiti is expected to receive debt forgiveness for about $525 million of its debt through the Highly-Indebted Poor Country (HIPC) initiative by mid-2009. The government relies on formal international economic assistance for fiscal sustainability.

CIA: https://www.cia.gov/library/publications/th...ok/geos/ha.html

Note: A Lady I watched on television last night and who adopted a child from Haiti long ago, who's now grown up and educated (in Haiti now helping the poor) told that wherever you look in Haiti you see children....no old people...just children, everywhere,............ without a future.

LaoPo

Certainly they are welcome in France, no?

Certainly they are welcome in France, no?

To be honest, I didn't study much about the history of Haiti.

The only things I knew were about the dictators François Duvalier (1935-1971) and his successor (fat boy) Jean-Claude Duvalier (1971-1986) and after that the Aristide period from 1986 until 2004 when he was overthrown. Sad, poor country.

I don't know if those children (if that's what you meant) are welcome in France; does France has an obligation to Haiti (because they speak French?)

I don't know much about the history and didn't even know about:

Haiti under United States control (1915-1934) sorry: but I never heard about that before also.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_Haiti_(1915-1986)

What I did read today about the follow up of the quake were some pretty xxxxx (sorry can't find words) messages:

"French rescue workers freed seven Americans from under the rubble today."

"A photographer from Time magazine has reported he has seen a roadblock formed with dead bodies in protest against the late response."

"Mr Obama and French President Nicolas Sarkozy, along with Brazil, Canada and other concerned nations, are planning to hold an international conference on Haiti's reconstruction."

I can't tell if it was aired in Thailand but I've never seen such tragic and horrific images as from Haiti; the smell of so many thousands of bodies -everywhere- makes it almost impossible to work.

Images were shown of hundreds, thousands of bodies along the sides of the roads and nobody to bury them properly.

Volunteers are now digging mass graves without any proper identification; it's absolutely unimaginable, sad and horrible.

Poor souls; may they RIP.

LaoPo

i wish i could feel more sorry for the people on the ground in hatai but everytime i see interviews and all that comes out of some guys mouth is a rant with a real tone of intitlement it hits a nerve. i think i read that along with the avg age of under 20 yrs that the avg family has 4 or 5 children!? Come on how does this happen? They are so poor yet they do not have the ability to think far enough ahead to know tha they can not feed more children? Once again if anyone is to accept some responsibility for the plight of the hatians it should be the ngo's who have continued to pour money into as country and it's people without expecting any accountablilty.

I have never understood why the imf give money to countries that have already demonstrated that they do not know how to handle money without managing the check book. now the call to action is lets rebuild a nation so what does that mean? who will foot the bill for that and how will they motivate these people to do more than shag and expect free money and food.

Haiti has been a total disaster for ages and long before this tragic event. Life was cheap and corruption was the name of the game. The locals had a horrible existance. The earthquake MIGHT turn out to be beneficial in the long run if world powers take control and develop the country for the future. Considering that Haiti is located in what COULD be a viable tourist area, there is potential. All it takes is a will and the funding aid spent where it's best needed. Unfortunately, that doesn't always happen. Don't forget how the Burmese government totally ignored the thousands of people who were flooded out a year ago and subsequently died. And, Thailand offered little or no relief to the few escaping victims.

i wish i could feel more sorry for the people on the ground in hatai but everytime i see interviews and all that comes out of some guys mouth is a rant with a real tone of intitlement it hits a nerve. i think i read that along with the avg age of under 20 yrs that the avg family has 4 or 5 children!? Come on how does this happen? They are so poor yet they do not have the ability to think far enough ahead to know tha they can not feed more children? Once again if anyone is to accept some responsibility for the plight of the hatians it should be the ngo's who have continued to pour money into as country and it's people without expecting any accountablilty.

I have never understood why the imf give money to countries that have already demonstrated that they do not know how to handle money without managing the check book. now the call to action is lets rebuild a nation so what does that mean? who will foot the bill for that and how will they motivate these people to do more than shag and expect free money and food.

Callous, shallow, and unthinking. As an American, you represent America to a degree....and you wonder why so many people around the world despise the American attitude that you typify.

I'm not saying it is the typical American attitude. I'm saying that this attitude is typical of the arrogance that produces a negative reaction from the rest of the world.

i wish i could feel more sorry for the people on the ground in hatai but everytime i see interviews and all that comes out of some guys mouth is a rant with a real tone of intitlement it hits a nerve. i think i read that along with the avg age of under 20 yrs that the avg family has 4 or 5 children!? Come on how does this happen? They are so poor yet they do not have the ability to think far enough ahead to know tha they can not feed more children? Once again if anyone is to accept some responsibility for the plight of the hatians it should be the ngo's who have continued to pour money into as country and it's people without expecting any accountablilty.

I have never understood why the imf give money to countries that have already demonstrated that they do not know how to handle money without managing the check book. now the call to action is lets rebuild a nation so what does that mean? who will foot the bill for that and how will they motivate these people to do more than shag and expect free money and food.

Callous, shallow, and unthinking. As an American, you represent America to a degree....and you wonder why so many people around the world despise the American attitude that you typify.

I'm not saying it is the typical American attitude. I'm saying that this attitude is typical of the arrogance that produces a negative reaction from the rest of the world.

So do you have something against personal accountability and responsibilty?

Then there is this America.

http://news.smh.com.au/breaking-news-world...00116-md1s.html

http://www.redcross.org/portal/site/en/men...00089f0870aRCRD

http://www.usatoday.com/news/sharing/2010-...donations_N.htm

http://www.thestreet.com/story/10661999/1/...y-us-banks.html

http://in.news.yahoo.com/43/20100114/890/t...n-to-haiti.html

This type of American action generally produces no reaction from those that are inclined to believe otherwise.

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i wish i could feel more sorry for the people on the ground in hatai but everytime i see interviews and all that comes out of some guys mouth is a rant with a real tone of intitlement it hits a nerve. i think i read that along with the avg age of under 20 yrs that the avg family has 4 or 5 children!? Come on how does this happen? They are so poor yet they do not have the ability to think far enough ahead to know tha they can not feed more children? Once again if anyone is to accept some responsibility for the plight of the hatians it should be the ngo's who have continued to pour money into as country and it's people without expecting any accountablilty.

I have never understood why the imf give money to countries that have already demonstrated that they do not know how to handle money without managing the check book. now the call to action is lets rebuild a nation so what does that mean? who will foot the bill for that and how will they motivate these people to do more than shag and expect free money and food.

Callous, shallow, and unthinking. As an American, you represent America to a degree....and you wonder why so many people around the world despise the American attitude that you typify.

I'm not saying it is the typical American attitude. I'm saying that this attitude is typical of the arrogance that produces a negative reaction from the rest of the world.

So do you have something against personal accountability and responsibilty?

I support personal accountability and responsibilty.

Can someone be held accountable if they are ignorant? Can someone be held responsible if the were helpless to do otherwise?

Maccaroni's attitude suggests that the Haitians should not be assisted, (even though they are in desperate need for assistance), because they have not been educated about, nor have the medical assistance for, nor the social philosophy for, family planning.

He also implies a resentment towards assisting towards "footing the bill" on the basis that these Haitians only shag and expect free money.

Hence I say he is callous, shallow, and unthinking.

If you had read my last paragraph with an open mind, you may not have asked me your question.

i wish i could feel more sorry for the people on the ground in hatai but everytime i see interviews and all that comes out of some guys mouth is a rant with a real tone of intitlement it hits a nerve. i think i read that along with the avg age of under 20 yrs that the avg family has 4 or 5 children!? Come on how does this happen? They are so poor yet they do not have the ability to think far enough ahead to know tha they can not feed more children? Once again if anyone is to accept some responsibility for the plight of the hatians it should be the ngo's who have continued to pour money into as country and it's people without expecting any accountablilty.

I have never understood why the imf give money to countries that have already demonstrated that they do not know how to handle money without managing the check book. now the call to action is lets rebuild a nation so what does that mean? who will foot the bill for that and how will they motivate these people to do more than shag and expect free money and food.

Callous, shallow, and unthinking. As an American, you represent America to a degree....and you wonder why so many people around the world despise the American attitude that you typify.

I'm not saying it is the typical American attitude. I'm saying that this attitude is typical of the arrogance that produces a negative reaction from the rest of the world.

So do you have something against personal accountability and responsibilty?

I support personal accountability and responsibilty.

Can someone be held accountable if they are ignorant? Can someone be held responsible if the were helpless to do otherwise?

Maccaroni's attitude suggests that the Haitians should not be assisted, (even though they are in desperate need for assistance), because they have not been educated about, nor have the medical assistance for, nor the social philosophy for, family planning.

He also implies a resentment towards assisting towards "footing the bill" on the basis that these Haitians only shag and expect free money.

Hence I say he is callous, shallow, and unthinking.

If you had read my last paragraph with an open mind, you may not have asked me your question.

Oh, I actually had an open mind until I read your other BS in another thread about you don't think or know if there are universal rights or wrongs. Now you go on to criticize Maccaroniman's statements as being wrong. He simply stated his feelings and opinion.

Also, if you could be bothered to read his post with an "open mind", you would see he places much of the blame upon the NGO's and and the IMF for not holding their agencies accountable. I don't see anything wrong with that.

I do not have a problem with helping the truly needy, especially in this massive disaster. But I not only imply, but firmly state I have a resentment towards any of my money, or my governments money going to support deadbeats that refuse to work or increase their education. Seems to me his biggest complaint is expressed, that some come across with a sense of entitlement, and to them, I would say, I don't owe them a F##king a dime.

I can see this going nowhere constructive.

Offer me some proof that there are universal rights or wrongs, and then say my opinion is BS.

Until then, your opinion is simply opposed to mine.

I did bother to read it with an open mind, and you exagerate. He said "some" not "much" of the blame to go to the NGOs, and expressed his incomprehensibility towards the IMF.

As to your last paragraph....I leave you to your opinion.

My opinion is that you are niggardly.

I can see this going nowhere constructive.

Offer me some proof that there are universal rights or wrongs, and then say my opinion is BS.

Until then, your opinion is simply opposed to mine.

I did bother to read it with an open mind, and you exagerate. He said "some" not "much" of the blame to go to the NGOs, and expressed his incomprehensibility towards the IMF.

As to your last paragraph....I leave you to your opinion.

My opinion is that you are niggardly.

1. by niggardly i assume you mean cheap.

2. where in my post did i say they should not get aid.

3. what did i write that was untrue?

4. do you disagree that the ngo's not only give other peoples money without demanding accountablility but in some cases they run a 75% admin fee.

5. was the purpose of your post to bash me or america

6. did you notice that while the rest of the world was focusing on sending aid that the kiwi were investigating a dolphin being beaten by man on a canoe?

7. how many of your tax dollars have gont to haiti in the last 10yrs.

8 as for ignorant, some people really do eliminate all doubt with their personal attacks.

Of course the answer is so simple: The Haitians should just stop being poor, silly people.

I can see this going nowhere constructive.

Offer me some proof that there are universal rights or wrongs, and then say my opinion is BS.

Until then, your opinion is simply opposed to mine.

I did bother to read it with an open mind, and you exagerate. He said "some" not "much" of the blame to go to the NGOs, and expressed his incomprehensibility towards the IMF.

As to your last paragraph....I leave you to your opinion.

My opinion is that you are niggardly.

You are the one that mentioned universal rights and wrongs, or lack there of, you prove it or disprove it. You seem to think it's ok for governments and NGO agencies to waste money, rather than ensuring it goes to something postive. Why I'm I not surprised, you don't appear to think it's universally wrong for the Taliban, just because they're ignorant or it's their culture, to beat a women just because she shows a little too much ankle, or has a desire to learn to read and write. Why would I have a good opinion about your opinion?

Callous, shallow, and unthinking. As an American, you represent America to a degree....and you wonder why so many people around the world despise the American attitude that you typify.

I'm not saying it is the typical American attitude. I'm saying that this attitude is typical of the arrogance that produces a negative reaction from the rest of the world.

Judging by the replies to your post I'd say you're doing a bang-up job representing New Zealand.

Most people here - at least the ones who have traveled outside their own isolated country - have met or even know personally many people from other counties. So when they run across 2-3 Americans (or English, Russian, Thais, etc) on an Internet forum who might or might not be representing their country very well, they are just part of a larger sample size from which to form their opinions. I've met some Kiwis here and there but I don't really know any. You are the only one I have any contact with on a regular basis and the opinion I'm forming isn't too pretty. Fortunately, I realise that the sample size is ridiculously small. Besides, Kiwis can't be all that bad otherwise I would have heard about it by now from all of my Aussie friends.

And so a thread that is completely unrelated to America turns into a thread about American's defending America.

Ho hum.

Don't the bashers deserve a little credit?

Don't the bashers deserve a little credit?

Of course.

Although I do agree with Harcourt's initial response regarding maccaroni man's post, I do feel it was unnecessary to bring his nationality into it.

The difference being though is that had such a comment have been made by a Brit/Ossie/Kiwi/European etc then he would have been slammed down by his own fellow countrymen rather than having them come to his (or America's) defence.

 

I can see this going nowhere constructive.

Offer me some proof that there are universal rights or wrongs, and then say my opinion is BS.

Until then, your opinion is simply opposed to mine.

I did bother to read it with an open mind, and you exagerate. He said "some" not "much" of the blame to go to the NGOs, and expressed his incomprehensibility towards the IMF.

As to your last paragraph....I leave you to your opinion.

My opinion is that you are niggardly.

1. by niggardly i assume you mean cheap.

2. where in my post did i say they should not get aid.

3. what did i write that was untrue?

4. do you disagree that the ngo's not only give other peoples money without demanding accountablility but in some cases they run a 75% admin fee.

5. was the purpose of your post to bash me or america

6. did you notice that while the rest of the world was focusing on sending aid that the kiwi were investigating a dolphin being beaten by man on a canoe?

7. how many of your tax dollars have gont to haiti in the last 10yrs.

8 as for ignorant, some people really do eliminate all doubt with their personal attacks.

1. Yes...what other use of the word is there?

2. You're replying to a post that was not directed at you...nevermind. Your post had more than an air of resentment towards assisting Haiti.

3. You're replying to a post that was not directed at you...nevermind. I never said anything about untruths in your post.

4. I don't.

5. You've quoted a post of mine that is not relevant to your questions. Nevermind. Trick question...I was not bashing America in the slightest.

6. LOL. This is relevant? Is it an attempt to bash NZ? ?????????? What is your point here??????

7. I have no idea. Do you?

8. I'm not sure where the "ignorant" reference comes from.

I can see this going nowhere constructive.

Offer me some proof that there are universal rights or wrongs, and then say my opinion is BS.

Until then, your opinion is simply opposed to mine.

I did bother to read it with an open mind, and you exagerate. He said "some" not "much" of the blame to go to the NGOs, and expressed his incomprehensibility towards the IMF.

As to your last paragraph....I leave you to your opinion.

My opinion is that you are niggardly.

You are the one that mentioned universal rights and wrongs, or lack there of, you prove it or disprove it. You seem to think it's ok for governments and NGO agencies to waste money, rather than ensuring it goes to something postive. Why I'm I not surprised, you don't appear to think it's universally wrong for the Taliban, just because they're ignorant or it's their culture, to beat a women just because she shows a little too much ankle, or has a desire to learn to read and write. Why would I have a good opinion about your opinion?

?? Your logic is a bit flawed. You stated that my opinion is BS, therefore you would have proof, surely.

I do not think it's ok for NGOs and governments to waste money. I agree that they do it though.

I don't expect you to have a good opion of my opinion...your opinions differ from mine...so what?

I can now see that perhaps when you said "BS" you meant "not good"? I read it as meaning "false". Hence my talk about proof. Nevermind.

Don't the bashers deserve a little credit?

Of course.

Although I do agree with Harcourt's initial response regarding maccaroni man's post, I do feel it was unnecessary to bring his nationality into it.

The difference being though is that had such a comment have been made by a Brit/Ossie/Kiwi/European etc then he would have been slammed down by his own fellow countrymen rather than having them come to his (or America's) defence.

I brought maccaroni's nationality into it, yes.....why is that bashing America? Is he that much of an embarrasment that merely mentioning his nationality is some sort of offense to the entire nation?

I very specifically qualified my words to make it clear that I was in no way bashing America:

"I'm not saying it is the typical American attitude. I'm saying that this attitude is typical of the arrogance that produces a negative reaction from the rest of the world. "

I will confess that I have carried some personal feeling towards maccaroni over from another thread. I should not have done that.

i wish i could feel more sorry for the people on the ground in hatai but everytime i see interviews and all that comes out of some guys mouth is a rant with a real tone of intitlement it hits a nerve. i think i read that along with the avg age of under 20 yrs that the avg family has 4 or 5 children!? Come on how does this happen? They are so poor yet they do not have the ability to think far enough ahead to know tha they can not feed more children? Once again if anyone is to accept some responsibility for the plight of the hatians it should be the ngo's who have continued to pour money into as country and it's people without expecting any accountablilty.

I have never understood why the imf give money to countries that have already demonstrated that they do not know how to handle money without managing the check book. now the call to action is lets rebuild a nation so what does that mean? who will foot the bill for that and how will they motivate these people to do more than shag and expect free money and food.

Callous, shallow, and unthinking. As an American, you represent America to a degree....and you wonder why so many people around the world despise the American attitude that you typify.

I'm not saying it is the typical American attitude. I'm saying that this attitude is typical of the arrogance that produces a negative reaction from the rest of the world.

You just can't let it go, can you?

Don't the bashers deserve a little credit?

Of course.

Although I do agree with Harcourt's initial response regarding maccaroni man's post, I do feel it was unnecessary to bring his nationality into it.

The difference being though is that had such a comment have been made by a Brit/Ossie/Kiwi/European etc then he would have been slammed down by his own fellow countrymen rather than having them come to his (or America's) defence.

 

i hope you dont really believe that. replace hatian with abo, paki, or algerian and see how many of your country men slap you down

at the end of the day let me say this, YES i do believe that the hatians should be helped and i am proud of the way MY country has taken charge, and led the way. The death toll will be high, the coming days and weeks will be a great challenge and with a little luck the dead will be buried, there will not be an outbreak of disease and the rebuilding process will move quickly. having said this i do not hold my breath, i suspect there will be complications, mobs will prevail, and america will be bashed for it's not doing enough. sad but true.

i wish i could feel more sorry for the people on the ground in hatai but everytime i see interviews and all that comes out of some guys mouth is a rant with a real tone of intitlement it hits a nerve. i think i read that along with the avg age of under 20 yrs that the avg family has 4 or 5 children!? Come on how does this happen? They are so poor yet they do not have the ability to think far enough ahead to know tha they can not feed more children? Once again if anyone is to accept some responsibility for the plight of the hatians it should be the ngo's who have continued to pour money into as country and it's people without expecting any accountablilty.

I have never understood why the imf give money to countries that have already demonstrated that they do not know how to handle money without managing the check book. now the call to action is lets rebuild a nation so what does that mean? who will foot the bill for that and how will they motivate these people to do more than shag and expect free money and food.

Callous, shallow, and unthinking. As an American, you represent America to a degree....and you wonder why so many people around the world despise the American attitude that you typify.

I'm not saying it is the typical American attitude. I'm saying that this attitude is typical of the arrogance that produces a negative reaction from the rest of the world.

You just can't let it go, can you?

I try to. But they keep picking up on anything I say and the brawl starts again.

Do you notice that it is only the right wing........bite my tongue!!!!

I wish there was a "bite my tongue" emoticon. It would be easier to use that than resist this grating urge to snipe at every opportunity.

It's a symptom of how deeply I feel about...... bite my tongue.

If only they wouldn't.....bite my tongue!!!! Don't start.

And they always....bite my tongue!!!! Don't start.

And....

Oh...nevermind.