Do you support the Taliban killing Americans?

Do you support the Taliban in throwing poison in the face of school children?

Do you support the Taliban killing Brits? or Canadians?

Do you support the Tabilan poisoning water at schools where girls attend classes?

They are going to have to plead the fifth on that one or just spin, spin, spin.

There are several here who have written "I would do the same if you invaded my country". Sounds like something you and Harcourt may have written. Perhaps you only support the Taliban on some of the things they do, but not all? Why not use this opportunity to clarify? I can help get you started...

Do you support the Taliban killing Americans?

Do you support the Taliban in throwing poison in the face of school children?

Do you support the Taliban killing Brits? or Canadians?

Do you support the Tabilab poisoning water at schools where girls attend classes?

That is kind of a lame response but no of course I would not support what you describe regardless of what name you attach to it.

But if you change it to this.....

Do you support XXX killing to defend those in their home lands being killed...What is your answer?

Because that is all I ever saw written in intent.In which case I say yes & I am 99% sure so do you.

There are several here who have written "I would do the same if you invaded my country". Sounds like something you and Harcourt may have written. Perhaps you only support the Taliban on some of the things they do, but not all? Why not use this opportunity to clarify? I can help get you started...

Do you support the Taliban killing Americans?

Do you support the Taliban in throwing poison in the face of school children?

Do you support the Taliban killing Brits? or Canadians?

Do you support the Tabilab poisoning water at schools where girls attend classes?

In context; I would fight and kill the invaders if they invaded my country. In principle, I can not condemn the Taliban when they defend their homeland. "Support" is not an apt word.

On that basis, to answer your questions; Yes, no, yes, no.

There are several here who have written "I would do the same if you invaded my country". Sounds like something you and Harcourt may have written. Perhaps you only support the Taliban on some of the things they do, but not all? Why not use this opportunity to clarify? I can help get you started...

Do you support the Taliban killing Americans?

Do you support the Taliban in throwing poison in the face of school children?

Do you support the Taliban killing Brits? or Canadians?

Do you support the Tabilab poisoning water at schools where girls attend classes?

In context; I would fight and kill the invaders if they invaded my country. In principle, I can not condemn the Taliban when they defend their homeland. "Support" is not an apt word.

On that basis, to answer your questions; Yes, no, yes, no.

A great deal of the Taliban are not indigenous. That's the point of fighting them.

Yes, I don't recall anyone defending the Taliban.... Hoever, I have read quite a few posts that defend Israelis when their people kill Arab children, though.

these are justified actions Harcourt! all them Ayrab children are Hamas supporters and bred and educated in madrasas for the sole purpose of attacking the 51st state of the Greatest Nation on Earth™ and the heartland of the Greatest Nation on Earth™with Kassam rockets and hijacked aircrafts.

you don't believe me? ask them three wise men Udysseus G., Koheesti and ChuckD. they is the eggspurts on Ayrab, Taliban, Sunni, Shia and al-Qaeda terrorists.

There are several here who have written "I would do the same if you invaded my country". Sounds like something you and Harcourt may have written. Perhaps you only support the Taliban on some of the things they do, but not all? Why not use this opportunity to clarify? I can help get you started...

Do you support the Taliban killing Americans?

Do you support the Taliban in throwing poison in the face of school children?

Do you support the Taliban killing Brits? or Canadians?

Do you support the Tabilab poisoning water at schools where girls attend classes?

In context; I would fight and kill the invaders if they invaded my country. In principle, I can not condemn the Taliban when they defend their homeland. "Support" is not an apt word.

On that basis, to answer your questions; Yes, no, yes, no.

A great deal of the Taliban are not indigenous. That's the point of fighting them.

That they (some of them) are not indigenous is not one of the reasons for fighting them that I've heard reported. I have heard reported that foreigners join the Taliban in support of their cause.

Yes, I don't recall anyone defending the Taliban.... Hoever, I have read quite a few posts that defend Israelis when their people kill Arab children, though.

these are justified actions Harcourt! all them Ayrab children are Hamas supporters and bred and educated in madrasas for the sole purpose of attacking the 51st state of the Greatest Nation on Earth™ and the heartland of the Greatest Nation on Earth™with Kassam rockets and hijacked aircrafts.

you don't believe me? ask them three wise men Udysseus G., Koheesti and ChuckD. they is the eggspurts on Ayrab, Taliban, Sunni, Shia and al-Qaeda terrorists.

Do you support the Taliban killing Americans?

Do you support the Taliban in throwing poison in the face of school children?

Do you support the Taliban killing Brits? or Canadians?

Do you support the Tabilan poisoning water at schools where girls attend classes?

They are going to have to plead the fifth on that one or just spin, spin, spin.  

No spin, the purpose of the invasion was to kill Bin Ladin. That objective has apparently failed.

Are you guys saying that these were always primary objectives? (The poison allegations, the others would probably still be alive if they had stayed home) The US, Canadians and Brits would have gone in anyway to rectify these social crimes and injustices?

You're justifying an invasion after the event, it's like the Germans saying the French all have bad breath anyway.

There are several here who have written "I would do the same if you invaded my country". Sounds like something you and Harcourt may have written. Perhaps you only support the Taliban on some of the things they do, but not all? Why not use this opportunity to clarify? I can help get you started...

Do you support the Taliban killing Americans?

Do you support the Taliban in throwing poison in the face of school children?

Do you support the Taliban killing Brits? or Canadians?

Do you support the Tabilab poisoning water at schools where girls attend classes?

In context; I would fight and kill the invaders if they invaded my country. In principle, I can not condemn the Taliban when they defend their homeland. "Support" is not an apt word.

On that basis, to answer your questions; Yes, no, yes, no.

A great deal of the Taliban are not indigenous. That's the point of fighting them.

That they (some of them) are not indigenous is not one of the reasons for fighting them that I've heard reported. I have heard reported that foreigners join the Taliban in support of their cause.

If they were all Afghans, they would not be in the business of exporting their problems, that's the very nature of the tribal system. The radical elements from many nations trying to force one nation under one tyrannical regime, plant bombs in other peoples schools, and take out other peoples aircraft, to further their aims that go far beyond clearing Afghanistan of unbelievers.

'sceadugenga' date='2010-06-27 17:04

No spin, the purpose of the invasion was to kill Bin Ladin.

You do not think that another important purpose was getting rid of the Taliban who were allowing terrorist training camps in their country and working with Al Queda as honored guests?

Spin, spin, spin.

That hasn't gone too well either.

Edit: They seem to be getting "on the job" training now, probably creating a far better terrorist than the camps did.

Still trying to find the "poisoned children" source seeing as it wasn't provided.

Came up with this fine example of journalistic integrity....

http://barenakedislam.wordpress.com/2010/06/20/british-troops-have-foiled-a-sick-taliban-plot-to-kill-dozens-of-innocent-afghan-children-on-their-first-day-at-school/

And (God help us) the Daily Star.

I'm sure it's not spin though.

I think he was talking about the Taliban throwing acid in the face of girls who dare to go to school and turning them into monsters.  However, according to the resident liberal geniuses in OTB, they are "defending their homeland" so it is all justified. 

The acid attacks are well documented.

Do you know that fanatic Islamic groups in Indonesia are beheading Christian schoolgirls?

You're putting up smoke screens, trying to add justification to taking on the Taliban when these things were never an issue when the invasion was planned.

Do you think it doesn't happen in Pakistan? With the support, or tolerance, of the government? How will this be stopped? Or will it be an unwarranted interference in the affairs of a friendly nation?

Sorry, but more spin. These things are all secondary to the fact that the Taliban were hosting Al Queda who were involved in the attack on 9/11. Getting rid of all of them was more than justified.

Thank you.

Everything else is just part of conflict. I knew you'd agree with me if I kept talking sense.

I don't agree with you. Not even close. I'm sure that Harcourt and naam will if you pin the blame on the U.S. or Israelis somehow.

Here's 10 minutes surfing, apologies for the lack of editing and adding of links due to laziness but it's all there.

2002

On September 24, Tony Blair released a document describing Britain's case for war in Iraq. Three days later, an anti-war rally in London drew a crowd of at least 150,000] and probably around 400,000

On October 26, protests took place in various cities across the world. Over 100,000 people took part in a protest in Washington. 50,000 people took part in a demonstration in San Francisco

On November 9, demonstrations were held against the war at the end of the first European Social Forum in Florence, Italy. According to the organizers, 1,000,000 people were in attendance. Local authorities put attendance at 500,000.

2003

In San Francisco, between 150,000 and 200,000 people attended the demonstration. The San Francisco police had originally estimated the crowd size at 55,000, but admitted later that they had badly underestimated the number and changed their estimate to 150,000.

In Washington, "at least tens of thousands", or "several hundred thousand" people demonstrated through the city, ending with a rally at The Mall.

On February 15, millions of people protested, in approximately 800 cities around the world. Listed by the 2004 Guinness Book of Records as the largest protest in human history, protests occurred among others in the United Kingdom, Italy, Spain, Germany, Switzerland, Ireland, the United States, Canada, Australia, South Africa, Syria, India, Russia, South Korea, Japan, and even McMurdo Station in Antarctica. The largest demonstration this day occurred in London, where 2,000,000 protesters (about 1 in 30 of the population) gathered in Hyde Park;

I went to the protests in Washington DC leading up to the war and the months that followed. What some of you may or may not know, the protests were organised by leftists groups that show up to support each others' cause - but still brought their own signs. There were as many "Free Mumia!" and "Israel out of Palestine!" signs as there were anti-Iraq war signs. I was watching one speech on C-Span and the woman speaking was from some Pro-Choice Lesbian group in Buffalo, NY..

double post

I don't agree with you. Not even close. I'm sure that Harcourt and naam will if you pin the blame on the U.S. or Israelis somehow. 

Go back to your reply to Koheesti's post 64#.

Follow our exchange, I'm saying the only issue that mattered was the hunt for Bin Ladin, and, by inference, Al Qaida, in retaliation for the 9/11 attacks. In post 75# I have you saying that.

Even in your country there's been some dreadful atrocities committed in times of conflict and major social change- lynchings, castrations, burnings- on civil rights workers, union organisers and others and most them unpunished. A lot of people justified them as they considered the victims a danger to the American way of life and freedoms.

This occurs in most wars and civil conflicts and Afghanistan isn't any different.

Here's 10 minutes surfing, apologies for the lack of editing and adding of links due to laziness but it's all there.

2002

On September 24, Tony Blair released a document describing Britain's case for war in Iraq. Three days later, an anti-war rally in London drew a crowd of at least 150,000] and probably around 400,000

On October 26, protests took place in various cities across the world. Over 100,000 people took part in a protest in Washington. 50,000 people took part in a demonstration in San Francisco

On November 9, demonstrations were held against the war at the end of the first European Social Forum in Florence, Italy. According to the organizers, 1,000,000 people were in attendance. Local authorities put attendance at 500,000.

2003

In San Francisco, between 150,000 and 200,000 people attended the demonstration. The San Francisco police had originally estimated the crowd size at 55,000, but admitted later that they had badly underestimated the number and changed their estimate to 150,000.

In Washington, "at least tens of thousands", or "several hundred thousand" people demonstrated through the city, ending with a rally at The Mall.

On February 15, millions of people protested, in approximately 800 cities around the world. Listed by the 2004 Guinness Book of Records as the largest protest in human history, protests occurred among others in the United Kingdom, Italy, Spain, Germany, Switzerland, Ireland, the United States, Canada, Australia, South Africa, Syria, India, Russia, South Korea, Japan, and even McMurdo Station in Antarctica. The largest demonstration this day occurred in London, where 2,000,000 protesters (about 1 in 30 of the population) gathered in Hyde Park;

I went to the protests in Washington DC leading up to the war and the months that followed. What some of you may or may not know, the protests were organised by leftists groups that show up to support each others' cause - but still brought their own signs. There were as many "Free Mumia!" and "Israel out of Palestine!" signs as there were anti-Iraq war signs. I was watching one speech on C-Span and the woman speaking was from some Pro-Choice Lesbian group in Buffalo, NY..

Most people who care about social issues have more than one cause.

While you've got a crowd there why not double dip?

Follow our exchange, I'm saying the only issue that mattered was the hunt for Bin Ladin, and, by inference, Al Qaida, in retaliation for the 9/11 attacks.  

Has Harcourt highjacked your account, or something? The Taliban hosted Al Qaida who were behind the 9/11 attacks. We were perfectly justified to go after ALL of them. 

What some of you may or may not know, the protests were organised by leftists groups that show up to support each others' cause - but still brought their own signs.  There were as many "Free Mumia!" and "Israel out of Palestine!" signs as there were anti-Iraq war signs. I was watching one speech on C-Span and the woman speaking was from some Pro-Choice Lesbian group in Buffalo, NY..

Are you insinuating that they were a bunch of nuts and welfare cheats? How dare you? However, that has already been verified. 

I don't agree with you. Not even close. I'm sure that Harcourt and naam will if you pin the blame on the U.S. or Israelis somehow. 

Go back to your reply to Koheesti's post 64#.

Follow our exchange, I'm saying the only issue that mattered was the hunt for Bin Ladin, and, by inference, Al Qaida, in retaliation for the 9/11 attacks. In post 75# I have you saying that.

Even in your country there's been some dreadful atrocities committed in times of conflict and major social change- lynchings, castrations, burnings- on civil rights workers, union organisers and others and most them unpunished. A lot of people justified them as they considered the victims a danger to the American way of life and freedoms.

This occurs in most wars and civil conflicts and Afghanistan isn't any different.

Do you really think Afghanistan is like the pre civil rights (1950's) South of the United States?

Do you really think Afghanistan is like pre union (1920's)Detroit?

Wow are you out there…..

He is usually so sensible (for a progressive). A flashback from the 60s?

Right... I thought they were just sort of in the way.

I always thought of Al Qaida as a Saudi thing rather than Afghan. I doubt the Taliban could have done anything about them even if they'd wanted to, that's hard country down on the Paki border. But then the American troops have probably noticed that.

It is pretty well documented that The Taliban were being funded by Al Qaida and treated them as welcome guests. They also refused to allow us to extradite them and were warned of the consequences. 

Still trying to find the "poisoned children" source seeing as it wasn't provided.

Came up with this fine example of journalistic integrity....

http://barenakedisla...-day-at-school/

And (God help us) the Daily Star.

I'm sure it's not spin though.

You couldn't find it on the Internet?! Well, then, it must be a myth then. Seriously, I was visiting a friend in a nearby Gulf country. He's US Special Forces, fought in both Iraq and Afghanistan. He told me that is what the Taliban are doing now. So, I realise to some of you the the words someone who has been there and worked with the local people and killed the bad guys does't carry the same weight as a blogger in a Che Guevara t-shirt might. I believe him. Who knows? Maybe it will make the Internet news and you can say you heard it here first.

I can't see that the "Taliban" being funded by Al Qaida, some of them may have been getting a hand out though.

Interesting site.

Funding in Afghanistan

Contrary to popular belief, funding for al Qaeda does not come from the personal assets of Bin Ladin but from a complex fundraising network fueled by financial facilitators and diverted Islamic charity donations. Prior to September 11, the financial facilitators raised money from Gulf country donors, particularly Saudi Arabia. They primarily relied on imams at mosques who diverted compulsory charitable donations known as zakat to al Qaeda. They also received money from individuals in corrupted charities. Al Qaeda operatives infiltrated large charitable organizations with loose external oversight or controlled smaller ones. They used these employment positions to gain access to the organization's bank accounts.

Although some governments may have consciously chosen to disregard al Qaeda's fundraising activites, there is no concrete evidence that any government actually supported al Qaeda finacially before Septmeber 11 (other than the Taliban's limited support upon Bin Ladin's arrival in Afghanistan). According to the Commission on Terrorist Attacks, Saudi Arabia, a country whose name is associated with al Qaeda funding, has never provided al Qaeda with monetary support. The report also denies allegations that al Qaeda relied heavily on the drug trade and on diamond trafficking from African states during the civil wars for sources of revenue.

http://www.globalsecurity.org/military/world/para/al-qaida-funding.htm

It is pretty well documented that The Taliban were being funded by Al Qaida and treated them as welcome guests. They also refused to allow us to extradite them and were warned of the consequences. 

The Taliban offered to bring him to a third party once the US showed evidence of BL involvement in 9/11.

They could not then and they still do not have the evidence (see the FBI most wanted list).

When I have time in the coming weeks I am going to show you and some other pro war and terror peeps here that your claims are wrong and finally show that you (and most people) have been shafted/tricked into believing all the nonsense spread by the controlled media.