No you won't. You will show us even further nonsense and  propaganda. We have seen it all before. 

No you won't. You will show us even further nonsense and  propaganda. We have seen it all before. 

So you deny the fact that the Taliban offered to bring BL to court in a third party country if the US showed prove of his involvement?

I deny that they had any intention of going through with it. 

Here lies the problem: Meanwhile, Here Are 20 Signs That China Is Cornering The Global Oil Market

Western oligarchs, financiers, joe middle class, etc.. are all happy to have the stocks go up... the "Casino" doesn't care who is putting the cash on the table....

seems the Chinese have learnt the game, and are better than (us).

maybe they invented it , like most things.

China Has Basically Purchased Its Own Latin American Country

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Meanwhile America (and the UK) descend into a morass of imperialistic nationalistic bullshitism...

ha ha firk em, at least I'm here not there... paying taxes to the jailor.

Wouldn't this fit better in the conspiracy theory thread. 

I deny that they had any intention of going through with it. 

Based on what?

I deny that they had any intention of going through with it.

Based on what?

Because the village idiot said so. Because Fox News said so....take your pick. Either way, it will no doubt be a belief based on blind unthinking faith.

Heaven forbid that the mighty US could ever be wrong.

Meanwhile, Here Are 20 Signs That China Is Cornering The Global Oil Market

Western oligarchs, financiers, joe middle class, etc.. are all happy to have the stocks go up... the "Casino" doesn't care who is putting the cash on the table....

seems the Chinese have learnt the game, and are better than (us).

They are being very smart about it...

Instead of hoarding fiat cash backed by a promise that cannot be delivered.....

Why not hoard commodities that you will need anyway...Especially food & energy?

In the end it will not matter where you live & whether you pay taxes....

All that will matter is if where you live has food & energy...and can you protect you & yours

PS:linked from your link

http://www.businessinsider.com/countries-that-are-running-out-of-oil-2010-4#thailand-1-year-remaining-15

No spin, the purpose of the invasion was to kill Bin Ladin. That objective has apparently failed.

Are you guys saying that these were always primary objectives? (The poison allegations, the others would probably still be alive if they had stayed home) The US, Canadians and Brits would have gone in anyway to rectify these social crimes and injustices?

You're justifying an invasion after the event, it's like the Germans saying the French all have bad breath anyway.

Very good calm gunfighter response there sceadugenga

No you won't. You will show us even further nonsense and propaganda. We have seen it all before.

So you deny the fact that the Taliban offered to bring BL to court in a third party country if the US showed prove of his involvement?

I remember that.

I don't know what level of proof the Taliban would have found acceptable. Maybe anything short of bin Laden admitting to doing it on tape? He pretty much did that, didn't he? If bin Laden had OJ's lawyers even that wouldn't be enough to convict.

Let's say the US agreed and presented evidence. What third party country do you think the Taliban had in mind? Holland? Iran? The UK? Saudi Arabia?

I can see why we didn't play that game with them.

I deny that they had any intention of going through with it.

Based on what?

Because the village idiot said so. Because Fox News said so....take your pick. Either way, it will no doubt be a belief based on blind unthinking faith.

Heaven forbid that the mighty US could ever be wrong.

Or heaven forbid they could ever be right about anything in your point of view.

You couldn't find it on the Internet?!

Seriously, I was visiting a friend in a nearby Gulf country.

He told me that is what the Taliban are doing now.

I believe him. Who knows?

Oh Lordy have mercy..........

I deny that they had any intention of going through with it.

Based on what?

Because the village idiot said so. Because Fox News said so....take your pick. Either way, it will no doubt be a belief based on blind unthinking faith.

Heaven forbid that the mighty US could ever be wrong.

Or heaven forbid they could ever be right about anything in your point of view.

You see, that's your attitude to every point of view that is different to yours; If someone critisises America for something that America is guilty of, that person is anti-American, anti all things American, pro Taliban, pro terrorist. Why can't a person critisise some aspects of American foreign policy without having that giant leap of illogic alleged against them?

The same goes for critisising Israel.

I deny that they had any intention of going through with it.

Based on what?

Because the village idiot said so.

Thanks for adding your vote.

You see, that's your attitude to every point of view that is different to yours; If someone critisises America for something that America is guilty of, that person is anti-American, anti all things American, pro Taliban, pro terrorist. Why can't a person critisise some aspects of American foreign policy without having that giant leap of illogic alleged against them?

The same goes for critisising Israel.

That is because you and your cronies do nothing but bash the U.S. and Israel and the U.S. to make excuses and justifications for rogue nations and terrorists and are usually ignoring the truth to make your point. 

You were not honest about ignoring my posts. Are you ever honest about anything?

After nearly a decade of research and "on the ground" experience in Afghanistan the CIA releases it's findings.

“We're dealing with a tribal society. We're dealing with a country that has problems with governance, problems with corruption, problems with narcotics trafficking, problems with a Taliban insurgency,” Mr Panetta told ABC in the US.

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You couldn't find it on the Internet?!

Seriously, I was visiting a friend in a nearby Gulf country.

He told me that is what the Taliban are doing now.

I believe him. Who knows?

Oh Lordy have mercy..........

So you put little or no value on the opinions of people who have actually spent considerable time in- country getting up close and personal with locals both friendly and hostile? I'll believe what my friend tells me from his own experience before I believe what I read on Huffington Post or see on Fox News. What sources do you consider more reliable?

So you put little or no value on the opinions of people who have actually spent considerable time in- country getting up close and personal with locals both friendly and hostile? \ What sources do you consider more reliable?

Well 1st hand is always best of course...

Failing that.. I would not put too much stock in what one who has a horse in the race has to say...period

So that leaves a source that has no horse in the race & does not even need to claim as you said....

and killed the bad guys

After all what made them the bad guys for your pal? The fact they they were shooting at armed forces in their country? Were they suppose to just bend over for your pal? Because some suit in DC told your pal they were bad guys etc? Who knows? I dont.

Back to your question...A third party on site that has no ties then is my 2nd choice.

Lastly history is a pretty good gauge & does in fact repeat & has shown patterns. Also an analytical mind

( sceadugenga's recent posts being a very good example )

can look at the facts & know pretty quick when the BS has runneth over.

So you put little or no value on the opinions of people who have actually spent considerable time in- country getting up close and personal with locals both friendly and hostile? \ What sources do you consider more reliable?

Well 1st hand is always best of course...

Failing that.. I would not put too much stock in what one who has a horse in the race has to say...period

So that leaves a source that has no horse in the race & does not even need to claim as you said....

and killed the bad guys

After all what made them the bad guys for your pal? The fact they they were shooting at armed forces in their country? Were they suppose to just bend over for your pal? Because some suit in DC told your pal they were bad guys etc? Who knows? I dont.

Back to your question...A third party on site that has no ties then is my 2nd choice.

Lastly history is a pretty good gauge & does in fact repeat & has shown patterns. Also an analytical mind

( sceadugenga's recent posts being a very good example )

can look at the facts & know pretty quick when the BS has runneth over.

Everyone has a "horse in the race" in a war zone. So based on your own definitions, you are clueless.

Everyone has a "horse in the race" in a war zone. So based on your own definitions, you are clueless.

No but your limited knowledge makes you an easy target for those that do.

I know you sing we are the world in the shower but not everyone is you & not everyone has claimed a reason to invade a country.

So ....sorry to break it to you but, not everyone has a horse in the race....not everyone agrees you or your horse police the world

Everyone has a "horse in the race" in a war zone. So based on your own definitions, you are clueless.

No but your limited knowledge makes you an easy target.

I know you sing we are the world in the shower but not everyone is you & not everyone has claimed a reason to invade a country. So ....sorry to break it to you but, not everyone has a horse in the race....not everyone agrees you or your horse police the world

Comprehension - again. Re-read my post slowly or find someone with at least a 10th grade reading comprehension level to explain it to you.

Comprehension - again. Re-read my post slowly or find someone with at least a 10th grade reading comprehension level to explain it to you.

There ya go stretching again...

Your post was no where near as high as a 10th grade level & you know it

Not everyone in a war zone is there to support a side. Kow Jai Mai?

That is as low as we can go so if not...... mai bpen rai

Hang in there

Heaven forbid that the mighty US could ever be wrong.

Or heaven forbid they could ever be right about anything in your point of view.

Koheesti, why even bother with these chumps?

• Talk sense to a fool and he calls you foolish.

          - Euripides (484 BC - 406 BC)

 

Comprehension - again. Re-read my post slowly or find someone with at least a 10th grade reading comprehension level to explain it to you.

There ya go stretching again...

Your post was no where near as high as a 10th grade level & you know it

And yet you still couldn't understand it.

When people are shooting and being shot all around you. When bombs are falling from the sky, blowing up from beneath the road or from inside the car down your street. When a walk to the corner store might be your last. Then everyone has a horse in the race.

And yet you still couldn't understand it.

When people are shooting and being shot all around you. When bombs are falling from the sky, blowing up from beneath the road or from inside the car down your street. When a walk to the corner store might be your last. Then everyone has a horse in the race.

Trust me its not that deep yet your wrong.

Take a simple example in a medical field...they are there yet can treat either side equally

So yes in a sense horses may be running everywhere & yet that does not mean everyone chooses one as being the right horse or good horse & the other as the wrong/bad horse

Ok thats it enjoy,,, Im off for the night

And yet you still couldn't understand it.

When people are shooting and being shot all around you. When bombs are falling from the sky, blowing up from beneath the road or from inside the car down your street. When a walk to the corner store might be your last. Then everyone has a horse in the race.

Trust me its not that deep yet your wrong.

Take a simple example in a medical field...they are there yet can treat either side equally

So yes in a sense horses may be running everywhere & yet that does not mean everyone chooses one as being the right horse or good horse & the other as the wrong/bad horse

Ok thats it enjoy,,, Im off for the night

Following the Hippocratic Oath has nothing to do with neutrality. Or maybe you think American medics who treat the enemy don't want the USA and allies to win?

Following the Hippocratic Oath has nothing to do with neutrality. Or maybe you think American medics who treat the enemy don't want the USA and allies to win?

Yawn.... good morning

Every answer you have always.. presumes a prejudice...

I never claimed the medical field was American did I? Nor did I say medics were the only neutral possibility ?

Listen lets face it we pretty much disagree again...no problem.

I know there are bad guys everywhere & good guys everywhere.

What this disagreement comes down to is I do not take the word of any invading force as gospel....nor do I take the word of the supposed bad guys getting invaded as gospel....

I would have a problem with any invading country going down the streets of any town feeling they have the right to entry/search/photo cataloging of people etc etc etc.

Amazing we have folks whine here about how in the past Jews were being killed/treated unfairly... Yet photo cataloging people in Afghanistan is permitted & then if through movement analysis they find these folks have turned up in another area they are automatically *suspected of terrorism* that allows the jack booted thugs to ship them to Gitmo or worse. Oh right that never happens...

Yeah these jack booted thugs should get the F*&^ out of dodge because they have NO business there any more than they had any business in Irag searching for WMD's killing all the while only to find None.

Thats my opinion in a nutshell & there is more also based in the financing of these aggressive moves that bankrupt our country...but I think you know that. The only fair thing that may come out of all this is the fact that we will probably all pay financially soon enough with a depression that will make the last one look mild.

We need not go round & round again over it as I am sure you have your opinion as to why it is all justified.

I just think it is funny though that those doing the invading would never in a million years stand for it themselves would they?

If Israel or France or who ever claims there is a reason for them to go down the streets of America into any house & search it while cataloging all the American people to analyze their movements that is ok eh?

Even if for some bizarre reason the US government agreed to allow it do you think the people would not fight the invading force?

I know I would

One thing for sure. When the US and It's allies pull out, the Afghan Tribal system will remain.

That is the one point I think missed at present by the allied side. if their stated objective is to close down terrorist bases and stamp on the fundamentalists, invasion will never work, history tells us that, and we the allied side are seeing this historical certainty, illustrated by the body bags of our loved ones as they come home for burial.

The Afghans are a fierce race and proudly xenophobic. They only accept the outsiders that are the Taliban and Al Qaeda leadership for their money They would never in the long term accept outside rule. Left to their own devices, these outsiders would eventually overstay their welcome and be shown the door. ( now with this, and clever covert foreign policy, a win win situation may have been achieved ).

I was asked in a debate in HK on terrorism, why I thought the Southern Thai insurgents seemed to have snubbed outside advances to spread their terror overseas ( they have been asked and some of those who asked and pushed the point, have been found dead in the South ). My thoughts were, that while they still stood up for the King in Southern cinemas, they remained Thai and thus would not show up on the streets of Birmingham.

Similar in my view to the tribal Afghan. In his own county, he may treat his females like dirt ( in fact in the hills he doesn't ) and the laws he wishes to live by may be archaic, but so what, it's his dam_n country. Pull out now. Support the best of them covertly. Bomb " outsider" training camps from the air, and the West would never have a problem with your average Afghan. Send forces into his country and no matter how many times you tell him you are there for good and to bring him benefits ( coke, big macs ........benefits mmmmmmmm ) he will hate you and send you back for your kindness, dead sons and daughters.

I know George had to hit out at something, but where the hel_l were his advisors when he needed them to calm the anger with a little historic based common sense.

In discussing the Afghan situation, I recall a quote from "The Art Of War"; Victorious warriors win first and then go to war, while defeated warriors go to war first and then seek to win.”.

It strikes me that the US has gone in to fight and is now seeking (struggling) to gain victory. Just like Viet Nam.

The Art of War is not big on preventing collateral damage.