England World Cup Discussion Thread

[bkkjames]

still far too many people at large asking the wrong questions here. 'why does england pay £6m to a foreigner only for him to fuc_k it up?'. when the questions should be 'why are there no top class english managers?' and 'if a manager as good as capello can't get this lot to play football, is the problem with the players rather than whoever is the manager?'.   

To answer your question Stevie - why no top class English managers - because there are no top class English players 

[StevieH]

still far too many people at large asking the wrong questions here. 'why does england pay £6m to a foreigner only for him to fuc_k it up?'. when the questions should be 'why are there no top class english managers?' and 'if a manager as good as capello can't get this lot to play football, is the problem with the players rather than whoever is the manager?'.

To answer your question Stevie - why no top class English managers - because there are no top class English players

isn't quite that simple james.

it's worth thinking that guys like mourinho, benitez and wenger would probably never have become top managers had they started their careers in england. they'd most likely never have been given the chance to manage through not being ex-players.

[JacknDanny]

The question everybody is asking is why England performed so badly.

Nobody seems to be able to come up with the same answer.

The manager made mistakes, I believe with several of his selections, but would that have made that much difference? I dont think so. He took too many injured, or not fully recovered, players.... Ferdinand/King/Milner/Barry/James/Rooney/Warnock/Cole

Capellos track record is excellent. And although I believe Englands manager should be English, I dont think Capello is the reason why we failed.

I partly agree with the fact that people over-estimate how good the English team is.... people were over expecting.

However I am firmly in the camp that England were tired both physically and mentally.

All the top teams, however, have players who have had just as arduous season has the England players.... so why is it that the English players looked so knackered??

I can only assume that The English players have a rather dodgy and relatively unhealthy lifestyle, in comparison with their counterparts.. Too much birding and boozing and unhealthy food is going to show after a tiring season, going into a tournament against the best teams in the world.

[NADTATIDA1]

The answer to the question is that England never performed that bad really,they got to the last 16 and got beat by a good side.

The problem is the false expectation from the media that builds up the countrys passion for the national game,lets face it deep down we know we are shit and not capable of breaking down teams and scoring goals at the highest level

Blame the media and the English F A.

Less games,mid season break and a new youth policy to kick in very soon.....Lottery money just like for the Olympics.

On Capello.....you could see the man was frustrated he new that we were not good enough,a craftsman never blames his tools!

And by god the tools in his box where fuc_ked!

[koheesti]

Funny stuff...

http://www.thedailym...l-201006282855/

VIDEO TECHNOLOGY CONFIRMS ENGLAND ARE VERY BAD AT FOOTBALL

ENGLAND are heading home from the World Cup today after state-of-the-art video technology showed the ball crossing their goal line many, many times

As questions were raised over why the Uruguayan officials had spotted all four German goals, the specially positioned cameras around the Bloemfontein Stadium confirmed that England's 2010 squad will forever be remembered as the 'team that never was'.

The use of television has been a source of controversy in the sport, but experts insist it offers a fool-proof method for determining whether a team is good at football or whether it is simply a collection of absurdly over-compensated, second-rate commercial brands with ghastly, vulgar wives, locked in a sado-masochistic relationship with a cretinous media that merely reflects a society that has taken its natural intelligence, its sense of perspective and its values and violently drowned them all in a bucket of piss.

Professor Henry Brubaker of the Institute for Studies said: "The technology is very complex and involves cathode tubes, a large glass screen and pretty much an entire roll of tinfoil.

"The operator sits in front of the screen and if he or she sees one set of players concede goal after goal after goal after goal, the video images then help them to decide whether or not those players are good at football."

Back home England fans vented their fury at the technology, as Paul the Psychic Octopus predicted Fabia Capello would soon be receiving a cheque for £12m and moving to a country where people can understand what he's saying.

Roy Hobbs, a flurry of opinions from Stevenage, said: "Alan Hansen kept going on about how it could have been 20 or even 25-nil and that if he had done that at Liverpool, Bob Paisley would have slashed him across the arse with a machete.

"But I think it could easily have been 70 or even 290-nil. Unless of course Lampard's goal had counted, in which case England would have won 14-2."

Nathan Muir, from Hatfield, added: "Not a good day. And after Sebastian Vettel beat Lewis Hamilton in the grand prix, I half expected to come home and find my missus having a dirty bath with the lead singer of Boney M."

Meanwhile, central defender John Terry finally arrived back in England's 18-yard box last night only to find that everyone else had gone home.

He eventually got out of the stadium after climbing over a fence.

[oldgit]

England were just plain knackered really, and it won't change until the leagues system does, or someone has the foresight to work in a few second stringers in to the squad, eg, Bullard.

I like this post, but as for the personnel! I doubt we'll see Johnson or Terry again, or not at the finals at any rate. Both are slow and won't get any the quicker. One i9s also a mutionous saboteur of a unt.

You neglected to add slowest player in the World Cup,Barry.Other tortoises to mention......Gerrard,Lampard,Ferdinand,King,Upson,Warnock,Baines and Joe Cole.

[bkksteviejai]

Meanwhile, central defender John Terry finally arrived back in England's 18-yard box last night only to find that everyone else had gone home.

He eventually got out of the stadium after climbing over a fence.

like it....

[Miiyai46]

The FA might replace Fabio Capello with............David Beckham!!! C'mon is the FA really thinking about this?!?

http://www.totalfootballmadness.com/2010/06/29/david-beckham-favourite-to-replace-fabio-capello-as-england-manager/

[R123]

Losers who are quids in:

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1290446/Back-money-making-routine-Englands-band-toothless-lions.html

[StevieH]

The FA might replace Fabio Capello with............David Beckham!!! C'mon is the FA really thinking about this?!?

http://www.totalfoot...ngland-manager/

that renowned football authority andy gray reckons it should be alan shearer with david beckham as assistant. comedy.

[LaoPo]

The problem with Italian Capello is that he is looking for excuses, apart from putting the faults with himself and he's acting like a coward.

Lippi, the Italian coach had a lot more dignity and blamed the drama with Italy to himself and didn't look for excuses nor blamed his team.

That's the difference.

As for the answers:

England has brilliant players and probably one of the best leagues in the world but the football system is too much focused on the country's system not internationally.

The players are not used to play as a team and that's where Capello comes in; he wasn't able to create a team.

LaoPo

[StevieH]

The problem with Italian Capello is that he is looking for excuses, apart from putting the faults with himself and he's acting like a coward.

Lippi, the Italian coach had a lot more dignity and blamed the drama with Italy to himself and didn't look for excuses nor blamed his team.

That's the difference.

As for the answers:

England has brilliant players and probably one of the best leagues in the world but the football system is too much focused on the country's system not internationally.

The players are not used to play as a team and that's where Capello comes in; he wasn't able to create a team.

LaoPo

i'm not sure it's possible to make a team out of that bunch of egos, gobshites and self-interested tarts.

though i'd have had more respect for capello if he'd stood up there and said something along those lines. or even 'well i tried, but the trouble is these overhyped primadonnas are simply not as good as they think they are'.

[Zodiac]

One England fan says:

"We were supposed to fly home on Friday but paid an extra £1,000 each to watch the Germany game and we're absolutely gutted about it now," he said."When you see the England players laughing and joking while getting off the plane at Rustenburg it makes you wonder if it was worthwhile going out there to watch it.

"After the Germany game they didn't acknowledge the fans at all. Steven Gerrard gave a little clap and that was it.

"That was gutting given how much money we'd spent to get there - around £6,500 each in total. We saved two years for this.

"I thought we were okay against Germany but then the players ran out of steam. They didn't seem to have the legs for it.

"The excuse now is that they're tired, but it's their job to play football and they get paid a lot of money to do it.

"If we're tired at work, we still have to carry on and do our job.

"I don't know where it went wrong. They do it for their Premiership clubs. I'm absolutely gutted."

http://www.sportinglife.com/football/news/story_get.cgi?STORY_NAME=soccer/10/06/29/WORLDCUP_England.html

My opinion;

The spoilt over paid and under skilled England players should be totally ashamed and do not deserve the support they get.

[moo9]

First to blame is the Premier League! Not supporting the youth in an adequate way, just buying superstars and paying them too much money. Never changing the play style. Imho the only good thing of the PL is the international marketing bringing big bucks to the investors who are not interested in mid / longterm development.

Btw same refers to a larger extend to the Serie A - with the difference, that those games are terrible to watch and their marketing is not as good.

Good Link

[Moonrakers]

S African police are asking for witnesses after an elderly black man had several shots fired at him from close range and was left badly shaken while 10 bystanders simply looked on.

Several German nationals are believed to have been responsible and the victim, a Mr David James from Portsmouth, was treated for serious shock.

[brahmburgers]

most of the coaches are in their 50's, with a couple in their 40's.

They all get angry when things don't go their way. Is that part of their job description? Do they have to prove they're worth millions of dollars per year by how angry they can get? Capello and the Swiss coach are the poster boys for getting angry at everything. Ulcers here we come. I'd rather be tending to ground cover in my backyard (that's what I do much of the time), than making 2 million bucks a year getting angry and yelling at a bunch of men half my age.

[brahmburgers]

My opinion;

The spoilt over paid and under skilled England players should be totally ashamed and do not deserve the support they get.

same could be said for managers and CEO's at Wall Street brokerage houses.

[mrtoad]

Whatever may of happened if that goal has stood is pretty irrelevant at the end of the day. What this World Cup has proved, is that England have to go right back to the drawing board.

A goalkeeper that is an accident waiting to happen, two centre backs who looked about as mobile as Joey Deacon on Mogadon, a right back who goes wandering off like Captain Oates, a midfield that was slow, uncreative and unable to retain possession and an attack that was a penetrative as a Sexpat without his viagra, and Rooney was just awful

Throw in Emule Heskey as a striker , along with taking a player "King" who probably spends more time in treatment than I do in pubs, along with Carragher who now makes Macanello look quick, and you have this sort of performance. I hope that this makes the FA think about a few things they need to change in the setup, and whilst I untimely blame the players for their pathetic, sulky performances - there needs to be serious questions asked about the management set up.

Well done to the Germans who at least are a developing young side, with some creativity. England were total <deleted> and got what they deserved.

I'll be cheering on Holland from here on in.

[phutoie2]

I have just heard that the FA have organised the next three games for England.

First one is against Iceland

followed by matches against Tesco and Asda

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[phutoie2]

For non - Brits you may need help for the above comment:)

[smokie36]

OXO have introduced a new red and white cube for the World cup. Its called 'The laughing stock'.

[bkkjames]

OXO have introduced a new red and white cube for the World cup. Its called 'The laughing stock'.

Things aren't as bad as they seem. Look at the French and Italians.

Anyways, the big issue I see is all these friendlies (FA Cash Cows). The guys play enough games already. Two meaningless warm up games a couple weeks before the WC to get the guys who have played 50+ games already this year in shape is stupidity of the highest order.

I would suggest that had England not played any friendlies at all - even in between qualifying for the WC, the team would have been fresher physically and mentally and would have done better.

[Miiyai46]

OXO have introduced a new red and white cube for the World cup. Its called 'The laughing stock'.

Things aren't as bad as they seem. Look at the French and Italians.

Anyways, the big issue I see is all these friendlies (FA Cash Cows). The guys play enough games already. Two meaningless warm up games a couple weeks before the WC to get the guys who have played 50+ games already this year in shape is stupidity of the highest order.

I would suggest that had England not played any friendlies at all - even in between qualifying for the WC, the team would have been fresher physically and mentally and would have done better.

Yes, but the French and Italians have at least won the WC recently.

England does not win anything since 1966.........not even an European Championship.

[cardholder]

Yes, but the French and Italians have at least won the WC recently.

England does not win anything since 1966.........not even an European Championship.

44 years, 12 years or 20 years is still HISTORY.

The present is the present and the future is most important - planning for that is vital.

[PattayaParent]

England were just plain knackered really, and it won't change until the leagues system does, or someone has the foresight to work in a few second stringers in to the squad, eg, Bullard.

I like this post, but as for the personnel! I doubt we'll see Johnson or Terry again, or not at the finals at any rate. Both are slow and won't get any the quicker. One i9s also a mutionous saboteur of a unt.

You neglected to add slowest player in the World Cup,Barry.Other tortoises to mention......Gerrard,Lampard,Ferdinand,King,Upson,Warnock,Baines and Joe Cole.

Baines was so slow he missed the flight and wasn't even IN South Africa!!!!!

Capello never picked him you oldgit, and you failed to mention the tortoise with the broken legs, Carragher.

England have now revealed their new crest for the fothcoming European qualifiers matches.

[rixalex]

I would suggest that had England not played any friendlies at all - even in between qualifying for the WC, the team would have been fresher physically and mentally and would have done better.

Hard to say though isn't it.

Had we not played those friendlies and had we been as crap as we were, everyone might well be saying that the team weren't gelling because they hadn't played together enough.

Think of how many games it often takes for United to really start hitting top gear in a season. First few games are quite often pretty dreadful.

[smokie36]

OXO have introduced a new red and white cube for the World cup. Its called 'The laughing stock'.

Things aren't as bad as they seem. Look at the French and Italians.

Anyways, the big issue I see is all these friendlies (FA Cash Cows). The guys play enough games already. Two meaningless warm up games a couple weeks before the WC to get the guys who have played 50+ games already this year in shape is stupidity of the highest order.

I would suggest that had England not played any friendlies at all - even in between qualifying for the WC, the team would have been fresher physically and mentally and would have done better.

£6m a year for the best manager in the world has to be paid for somehow......quit whinging and get behind him for the Euro's.....time to think of the future.......

[brahmburgers]

England played as well as they could, with the best English players they could find.   With their best players playing as well as they could, they were no better than the US or Algerian teams, and weren't as good as the Germans.   Jolly bad luck, old fellows. You just didn't cut the mustard this time. Stiff upper lip, old chap.   Perhaps an added portion of spotted dick would stiffen your resolve.<br><br><br>

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[R123]

They are clueless, useless, greedy, incompetent, skill-less, tactically naive, cumbersome, lazy, over the hill, lacking effort, unpatriotic, slow, selfish, pig ignorant, over rated and over paid, under performing........ and now it is revealed: totally brainless!

http://www.dailymail...-dangerous.html

So how come each of them earns well in excess of 100,000 pounds per week?!

Edited June 30, 2010 by R123

[carmine]

England played as well as they could, with the best English players they could find.   With their best players playing as well as they could, they were no better than the US or Algerian teams, and weren't as good as the Germans.   Jolly bad luck, old fellows. You just didn't cut the mustard this time. Stiff upper lip, old chap.   Perhaps an added portion of spotted dick would stiffen your resolve.<br><br><br>

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How is that chip on your shoulder doing anyway?