theres an interesting documentary on this subject Britians Real Monarch where they outline where it all went wrong, and they also trace who the actual King of England be. I wont spoil it for you as its quite a laugh really.

HahA!!! Brilliant!

"Do the Germans have them or do they have too much common-sense? (I nearly wrote lack of imagination but I'm scared of Naam)."

i am not aware of any conspiracy theories but uneducated rumours do exist; such as "Chancellor Merkel has boobs but no pussy" and "gay Vice-Chancellor Westerwelle has an appointment in Phuket for a sex change".

what our president-elect Wulff claimed yesterday on Deutsche Welle might not qualify as conspiracy. he insisted he was involved in the birth of his two children.

The birth usually takes care of itself, it's being involved in the conceiving of their children that most men should be worried about.

Moon Landing Conspiracy theories:

http://www.apfn.org/apfn/moon.htm

http://www.ufos-alie...smicapollo.html

BTW, I believe we landed on the moon because I saw it on TV while it was happening.

We landed on the moon because the Soviets would have said something if we hadn't. Or maybe they are part of the conspiracy? What would Nixon have to use to buy or blackmail the USSR into silence?

how about the death of princess diana murdered by the "establishment" in great britain?mind you i can almost believe this could be true.

How "they" then managed to get them drunk if not p_ssed to the rim, forced the car to crash, the driver (a Prozac freak) to kill himself in a tunnel?

With a stroboscope, flashlight, magic, clairvoyant, telekinesis?

it's very close to the 9/11 "conspiracy"...

Bad luck, at the wrong spot, at the wrong time under very, very dangerous conditions... and smacko!

Happens to many other people every day, only nobody cares cause they aren't Princess Diana and AlDodi, the son of a suspected middle eastern weapons dealer who made a fortune and then bought Harrod's....

Moon Landing Conspiracy theories:

http://www.apfn.org/apfn/moon.htm

http://www.ufos-alie...smicapollo.html

BTW, I believe we landed on the moon because I saw it on TV while it was happening.

We landed on the moon because the Soviets would have said something if we hadn't. Or maybe they are part of the conspiracy? What would Nixon have to use to buy or blackmail the USSR into silence?

Some of the websites on this are amazing. I have a mate, (he's Irish), who believes it's a scam.

He told me once the flag would only stand out if there was air there.

I WATCHED THEM MAKE IT ON TV IN 1969 THEY PUT LITTLE WIRES IN IT YOU TOSSER!!!!!

I try hard to be nice but sometimes it's just too hard.

Moon Landing Conspiracy theories:

http://www.apfn.org/apfn/moon.htm

http://www.ufos-alie...smicapollo.html

BTW, I believe we landed on the moon because I saw it on TV while it was happening.

We landed on the moon because the Soviets would have said something if we hadn't. Or maybe they are part of the conspiracy? What would Nixon have to use to buy or blackmail the USSR into silence?

Some of the websites on this are amazing. I have a mate, (he's Irish), who believes it's a scam.

He told me once the flag would only stand out if there was air there.

I WATCHED THEM MAKE IT ON TV IN 1969 THEY PUT LITTLE WIRES IN IT YOU TOSSER!!!!!

I try hard to be nice but sometimes it's just too hard.

Just the other day Discovery Channel's Mythbusters took it on and came to the conclusion that the moon landing was real.

how about the death of princess diana murdered by the "establishment" in great britain?mind you i can almost believe this could be true.

That's because it is

Maybe not but there is the need for governments to conceal the truth which is the airbags caused it.... Long story maybe for another thread but it's the most plausible one to date...

Moon Landing Conspiracy theories:

http://www.apfn.org/apfn/moon.htm

http://www.ufos-alie...smicapollo.html

BTW, I believe we landed on the moon because I saw it on TV while it was happening.

We landed on the moon because the Soviets would have said something if we hadn't. Or maybe they are part of the conspiracy? What would Nixon have to use to buy or blackmail the USSR into silence?

Some of the websites on this are amazing. I have a mate, (he's Irish), who believes it's a scam.

He told me once the flag would only stand out if there was air there.

I WATCHED THEM MAKE IT ON TV IN 1969 THEY PUT LITTLE WIRES IN IT YOU TOSSER!!!!!

I try hard to be nice but sometimes it's just too hard.

Sorry but your mate's an idiot, the flag stands out because it has a pole through the top of it to do that, it's been shown many times already...

Oh!! I see you already handled that.....

Here's a good one, happily promoted by some TV members

A farang accused of whatever has no chance of getting a fair trial in Thailand because he's a farang

There's a theory I wouldn't wish to model for, would you be willing to??.. Rather hit and miss innit?

"Do the Germans have them or do they have too much common-sense? (I nearly wrote lack of imagination but I'm scared of Naam)."

i am not aware of any conspiracy theories but uneducated rumours do exist; such as "Chancellor Merkel has boobs but no pussy" and "gay Vice-Chancellor Westerwelle has an appointment in Phuket for a sex change".

what our president-elect Wulff claimed yesterday on Deutsche Welle might not qualify as conspiracy. he insisted he was involved in the birth of his two children.

The birth usually takes care of itself, it's being involved in the conceiving of their children that most men should be worried about.

when they are at it they most don't worry. penis erectus non habet conscientiam!

There's a large group of American right-wingnuts known as 'birthers" who adamantly claim that Barrack Obama was not born in the United States despite irrefutable evidence otherwise.

There's a large group of American right-wingnuts known as 'birthers" who adamantly claim that Barrack Obama was not born in the United States despite irrefutable evidence otherwise.

Even Obama's main nemisis in the media, Fox News, shows Hawaii newspaper birth announcements of Obama's birth. You'd think that would be enough to silence the birthers. But then, that's why they are called "conspiracy nuts".

There's a large group of American right-wingnuts known as 'birthers" who adamantly claim that Barrack Obama was not born in the United States despite irrefutable evidence otherwise.

Funny that as he could easily dispel with that theory if he opened up and just came clean about his records including his REAL age which also seems to be a contentious and legitimate contradiction and yet he doesn't ...

There's a large group of American right-wingnuts known as 'birthers" who adamantly claim that Barrack Obama was not born in the United States despite irrefutable evidence otherwise.

Funny that as he could easily dispel with that theory if he opened up and just came clean about his records including his REAL age which also seems to be a contentious and legitimate contradiction and yet he doesn't ...

It seems his college records along with his passport history are subjects of some mystery as well. Don't expect any FOIA requests to be answered anytime soon in his case.

There's a large group of American right-wingnuts known as 'birthers" who adamantly claim that Barrack Obama was not born in the United States despite irrefutable evidence otherwise.

Funny that as he could easily dispel with that theory if he opened up and just came clean about his records including his REAL age which also seems to be a contentious and legitimate contradiction and yet he doesn't ...

It seems his college records along with his passport history are subjects of some mystery as well. Don't expect any FOIA requests to be answered anytime soon in his case.

See what I mean.

There's a large group of American right-wingnuts known as 'birthers" who adamantly claim that Barrack Obama was not born in the United States despite irrefutable evidence otherwise.

Funny that as he could easily dispel with that theory if he opened up and just came clean about his records including his REAL age which also seems to be a contentious and legitimate contradiction and yet he doesn't ...

It seems his college records along with his passport history are subjects of some mystery as well. Don't expect any FOIA requests to be answered anytime soon in his case.

See what I mean.

Not trying to defend Obama (I actually think he's a bit of a dick). But once he starts defending himself against one lot of spirilous claims then he'll open the floodgates for a load more.

Funny that as he could easily dispel with that theory if he opened up and just came clean about his records including his REAL age which also seems to be a contentious and legitimate contradiction and yet he doesn't ...

It seems his college records along with his passport history are subjects of some mystery as well. Don't expect any FOIA requests to be answered anytime soon in his case.

See what I mean.

Not trying to defend Obama (I actually think he's a bit of a dick). But once he starts defending himself against one lot of spirilous claims then he'll open the floodgates for a load more.

Why is it a spurious claim if, when you are about to become the most powerful person on earth, the citizens that are electing you want you to show your college transcript, passports and birth certificate? When your CV is as lacking as his is, a little proof of some academic excellence would have been nice to see.

The US Constitution limits the office holders of the Presidency to citizens born only in the United States. I would have thought it would be a requirement that he provide a birth certificate when he filed to run for the office. I guess it isn't, though.

Is there actual hard evidence that this is true?

Or is it just another conspiracy?

Genuine question!

There's a large group of American right-wingnuts known as 'birthers" who adamantly claim that Barrack Obama was not born in the United States despite irrefutable evidence otherwise.

Funny that as he could easily dispel with that theory if he opened up and just came clean about his records including his REAL age which also seems to be a contentious and legitimate contradiction and yet he doesn't ...

It seems his college records along with his passport history are subjects of some mystery as well. Don't expect any FOIA requests to be answered anytime soon in his case.

Yes well those were in that group I mentioned about his records, I meant in their entirety and it is all very strange that...

There's a large group of American right-wingnuts known as 'birthers" who adamantly claim that Barrack Obama was not born in the United States despite irrefutable evidence otherwise.

Funny that as he could easily dispel with that theory if he opened up and just came clean about his records including his REAL age which also seems to be a contentious and legitimate contradiction and yet he doesn't ...

It seems his college records along with his passport history are subjects of some mystery as well. Don't expect any FOIA requests to be answered anytime soon in his case.

See what I mean.

So birthers aside as he is the president of the US what's your explanation then?? Don't you feel out of the loop about YOUR commander in chief (assuming you're American)and his past history? Name me one other president that has had such mystery shrouding him on this information in the past? I for one feel I deserve to know one way or the other definitively..

It seems his college records along with his passport history are subjects of some mystery as well. Don't expect any FOIA requests to be answered anytime soon in his case.

See what I mean.

Not trying to defend Obama (I actually think he's a bit of a dick). But once he starts defending himself against one lot of spirilous claims then he'll open the floodgates for a load more.

Why is it a spurious claim if, when you are about to become the most powerful person on earth, the citizens that are electing you want you to show your college transcript, passports and birth certificate? When your CV is as lacking as his is, a little proof of some academic excellence would have been nice to see.

The US Constitution limits the office holders of the Presidency to citizens born only in the United States. I would have thought it would be a requirement that he provide a birth certificate when he filed to run for the office. I guess it isn't, though.

Christ! People on here are more cynical, suspicious and demanding about proof just for making claims or contributing information, let alone the presidency... Hel_l even Wikipedia is questioned and dismissed when presented for evidence of claims but this is just accepted with no proof, it boggles the mind the hypocrisy and contradiction...

you would surely think the Republicans would have dredged something up by now if Obama wasnt born in the states

Is there actual hard evidence that this is true?

Or is it just another conspiracy?

Genuine question!

Which part? There is hard evidence that he has never actually legitimately verified his birth date nor his real age there is contradictions with his own personal entries on this in the past I don't know if they have been corrected? But being in conflict by several years is like a Freudian slip anyway but as if he had it would be a matter of public record due to the freedom of information act and is not anywhere to be confirmed to this day...

As for the poster who mentioned his having to defend every "spurious claim" you bet he has that obligation in his position until the proof has been established unequivocally..Anyone say Watergate?? That was far less of a potential offense and yet it brought down a good President..

you would surely think the Republicans would have dredged something up by now if Obama wasnt born in the states

Who says they haven't been both trying and pressing in the background...Where do you think much of this speculation has come from? No one has let it go to this point it's just been shuffled around as Obama is a master of avoidance and the shell game there have been other contributing factors both created by them and by other man made foul ups that have allowed it's sidelining for the moment but it's by no means a settled issue..

Back on topic, my most disappointing theory is in regards to 9/11.....

Yes good idea WarpSpeed since the Secretary of State of Hawaii,showed a a certified copy (ie the only one that comes out of there anyway so don't' go on about why don't we get to see the real one, have you ever seen your real one?) time to come up with something that requires a few more brains, I think. How about Paul McCartney is Dead

Ignoring the millions to be made in merchandise if this were true, record labels and publicists have covered-up the fact that ex-Beatle Paul McCartney is actually dead. He died in 1966 in a car-crash and was replaced by a convenient look-alike and sound-alike (apparently, these are surprisingly easy to come by).

you would surely think the Republicans would have dredged something up by now if Obama wasnt born in the states

Exactly, even John McCain and all but a tiny few of the most loony Republican lawmakers have acknowledged that the birther's claims are nonsense. Most Republicans who are running for reelection this fall are doing their best to distance themselves from this wacko crowd. Obama's birth certificate, passport and degrees from Columbia University and Harvard Law School have all been located and are matters of public record. His birth at a Honolulu hospital was printed in an announcement for everyone to read in a 1961 edition of the Honolulu Advertiser on August 13 1961 as if anyone could have possibly imagined that this baby boy would one day be president. The birthers, of course, believe it is all false and part of a sinister conspiracy orchestrated by the mysterious forces of evil.

It is a conspiracy theory every bit as absurd as Rosy ODonnells 9/11 government orchestrated WTC attack theory or anything in a Michael Moore film......Well, actually some of the stuff in Moore's movies are even more plausible than the birther crap as sad as that is to say. It saddens me to see how ignorant, hateful and gullible so many of my fellow countrymen have become. What's worse is that they're in Thailand now and we all have to suffer with these fools. Maybe well get lucky and they'll move to Cambodia.

Yes good idea WarpSpeed since the Secretary of State of Hawaii,showed a a certified copy (ie the only one that comes out of there anyway so don't' go on about why don't we get to see the real one, have you ever seen your real one?) time to come up with something that requires a few more brains, I think. How about Paul McCartney is Dead

Ignoring the millions to be made in merchandise if this were true, record labels and publicists have covered-up the fact that ex-Beatle Paul McCartney is actually dead. He died in 1966 in a car-crash and was replaced by a convenient look-alike and sound-alike (apparently, these are surprisingly easy to come by).

As a matter of fact I have.................It's in my safe upstairs, so now what??

you would surely think the Republicans would have dredged something up by now if Obama wasnt born in the states

Exactly, even John McCain and all but a tiny few of the most loony Republican lawmakers have acknowledged that the birther's claims are nonsense. Most Republicans who are running for reelection this fall are doing their best to distance themselves from this wacko crowd. Obama's birth certificate, passport and degrees from Columbia University and Harvard Law School have all been located and are matters of public record. His birth at a Honolulu hospital was printed in an announcement for everyone to read in a 1961 edition of the Honolulu Advertiser on August 13 1961 as if anyone could have possibly imagined that this baby boy would one day be president. The birthers, of course, believe it is all false and part of a sinister conspiracy orchestrated by the mysterious forces of evil.

It is a conspiracy theory every bit as absurd as Rosy O’Donnell’s 9/11 government orchestrated WTC attack theory or anything in a Michael Moore film......Well, actually some of the stuff in Moore's movies are even more plausible than the birther crap as sad as that is to say. It saddens me to see how ignorant, hateful and gullible so many of my fellow countrymen have become. What's worse is that they're in Thailand now and we all have to suffer with these fools. Maybe we’ll get lucky and they'll move to Cambodia.

Have any credible links for that info.? I'd be interested in seeing it? I also reject and despise any such disparaging labels such as "birther" just because I want credible, factual and undeniable information on the truth which no one has provided to date, do so here and I'll leave it where it lies, if not I'm still not convinced and continue to be skeptical which is my right no one can deny me....I'm not pitching anything now or have I ever I just have the RIGHT to know as a CITIZEN of the United States! And not just by your exclusive claims or anyone elses for that matter....

Have any credible links for that info.? I'd be interested in seeing it? I also reject and despise any such disparaging labels such as "birther" just because I want credible, factual and undeniable information on the truth which no one has provided to date, do so here and I'll leave it where it lies, if not I'm still not convinced and continue to be skeptical which is my right no one can deny me....I'm not pitching anything now or have I ever I just have the RIGHT to know as a CITIZEN of the United States! And not just by your exclusive claims or anyone elses for that matter....

Yes I Do:

Birth Certificate: Official Letter from Hawaii Department of Health verifing that the Hawaii State Department of Health has Sen. Obamas original birth certificate on record in accordance with state policies and procedures. Official Letter From State of Hawaii

Passport: : Bush Administration Secretary of State Condoleeza Rice went as far as to call Obama to appologize for her office's breech of security in allowing unauthorized contractors to view Obama's passport, admitting that it does indeed exist. Passport link

College Degrees:

1.)Columbia University (Ivy League School ranked 9th in the nation) Columbia University

2.) Harvard Law School: (ranked best in the world) Harvard Law School