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Saudi arms deal is about Iran

By Rep. Ron Paul (R-Texas) - 11/01/10 01:50 PM ET

This month the US Administration notified Congress that it intends to complete one of the largest arms sales in US history to one of the most repressive regimes on earth. Saudi Arabia has been given the green light by the administration to spend $60 billion on some 84 new F-15 aircraft, dozens of the latest helicopters, and other missiles, bombs, and high-tech military products from the US weapons industry. Saudi Arabia, from where 15 of the 19 September 11 hijackers came, is a family-run dictatorship, where there are no political parties, no independent press, and where any form of political dissent is met with the most severe punishment. We are told that we must occupy Afghanistan to encourage more rights for women, an issue on which the Saudi regime makes the Taliban look rather liberal by comparison. We are told that our increasingly aggressive policies toward Iran are justified by that country’s rigid Islamic laws and human-rights violations, while the even more repressive Islamic rule in Saudi Arabia is never mentioned.

So why would the US government, which spends hundreds of billions of dollars yearly and maintains hundreds of bases overseas to push global democracy, approve a deal like this with such a regime? As Stockholm Institute scholar Pieter Wezeman told the Washington Post, "Of course it's against Iran. Of course it's against Yemen. You can read between the lines ... but there are not any official statements about it." Although the deal must be approved by Congress, there is little chance of any significant Congressional opposition for the above reason.

Imagine if China had armed an aggressive, anti-American Mexico to the teeth. How would we feel? Threatened? That is likely how Iran feels with this massive arms sale to Saudi Arabia. To underscore this message, the US quietly announced early this month that it was selling 20 F-35 Stealth fighters to Israel. As Israeli military purchases are paid for with US foreign aid, we must realize that the weapons pointed at Iran in the Middle East are American made and largely paid for with American tax dollars. Certainly Iran understands this. Will such a provocative move, arming two anti-Iranian powers in the region to the teeth, lead to a trigger event to bring about a full invasion of Iran? The economic tsunami that would result from such a horrific turn of events would only be eclipsed by the death and destruction in the region -- and likely beyond.

Some will argue that these arms deals are international trade which we should encourage and applaud. Sadly, the United States does not build much that we can export these days. But the fact is that the US weapons industry is underwritten by the American taxpayer. From research and development to acquisition by the US military, the costs of the US arms industry are borne by American citizens. But, as so-called “private” companies, the enormous profits they make selling weapons to countries like Saudi Arabia are of course privatized. So the costs are socialized and the profits are privatized. There is a word for this arrangement and it is not “capitalism.”

Imagine if China had armed an aggressive, anti-American Mexico to the teeth. How would we feel? Threatened? That is likely how Iran feels with this massive arms sale to Saudi Arabia.

I didn't know that Suadi was so agressive!

To underscore this message, the US quietly announced early this month that it was selling 20 F-35 Stealth fighters to Israel.

"quietly announced". So this guy tries to spin it like some kind of secret - even though they announced it. How many other arms deals does the US make where they take out TV ads to promote? If the announcement is quiet, it is only because the press keeps it that way.

Imagine if China had armed an aggressive, anti-American Mexico to the teeth. How would we feel? Threatened? That is likely how Iran feels with this massive arms sale to Saudi Arabia.

I didn't know that Suadi was so agressive!

To underscore this message, the US quietly announced early this month that it was selling 20 F-35 Stealth fighters to Israel.

"quietly announced". So this guy tries to spin it like some kind of secret - even though they announced it. How many other arms deals does the US make where they take out TV ads to promote? If the announcement is quiet, it is only because the press keeps it that way.

You kind of missed the points but went 90 degrees from there...

As for the Saudis.... Aggressive to who? They that are in harms way may feel threatened same as we would even if a non aggressive....

Like say anyone we deem should not have nuclear power suddenly did.

More important take note.............

We are told that we must occupy Afghanistan to encourage more rights for women, an issue on which the Saudi regime makes the Taliban look rather liberal by comparison. We are told that our increasingly aggressive policies toward Iran are justified by that country’s rigid Islamic laws and human-rights violations, while the even more repressive Islamic rule in Saudi Arabia is never mentioned.

Especially on this forum where whole threads chased the habits of others & how that deemed them evil & invasion worthy.

Yet now dealing arms to like minded is deemed good business? After all they are non aggressive right?

As to the Israeli deal ....Did you miss the fact that they are basically buying all these tools of war with food stamps they begged off the USA?

In other words WE THE PEOPLE are buying the tools for these bozo's

With the crap the pull in the gaza??? Take a vote & see how many would US citizens would be all right with that.

Is it any wonder the US is so facked up ? When citizens cannot see the simple.

Iran is arming and training terrorists and trying to develop nuclear weapons while threatening the US and our allies.

It is really pretty simple. The enemy of our enemy is our friend.

It is really pretty simple. The enemy of our enemy is our friend.

For now, at least

The trouble occurs when a change in leadership means they become a friend of our enemy. And we kitted them up.

Iran is arming and training terrorists and trying to develop nuclear weapons while threatening the US and our allies.

It is really pretty simple. The enemy of our enemy is our friend....

...and our bastards are good bastards

More like useful bastards.

Of course it's about Iran. It doesn't take a nuclear physicist to figure that one out.

You kind of missed the points but went 90 degrees from there...

As for the Saudis.... Aggressive to who? They that are in harms way may feel threatened same as we would even if a non aggressive....

Like say anyone we deem should not have nuclear power suddenly did.

More important take note.............

We are told that we must occupy Afghanistan to encourage more rights for women, an issue on which the Saudi regime makes the Taliban look rather liberal by comparison. We are told that our increasingly aggressive policies toward Iran are justified by that country's rigid Islamic laws and human-rights violations, while the even more repressive Islamic rule in Saudi Arabia is never mentioned.

Especially on this forum where whole threads chased the habits of others & how that deemed them evil & invasion worthy.

Yet now dealing arms to like minded is deemed good business? After all they are non aggressive right?

As to the Israeli deal ....Did you miss the fact that they are basically buying all these tools of war with food stamps they begged off the USA?

In other words WE THE PEOPLE are buying the tools for these bozo's

With the crap the pull in the gaza??? Take a vote & see how many would US citizens would be all right with that.

Is it any wonder the US is so facked up ? When citizens cannot see the simple.

My point is that when the speaker makes baseless statements like the ones I highlighted, it brings into question their other statements as well.

As for Israel buying "tools of war food stamps the begged off the USA"...it reminds me of a conversation I had with an Egyptian colleague yesterday (yes, some will discount it for whatever reason but it's interesting all the same). He brought up all the weapons Israel gets from the USA. I reminded him that Egypt is #2 behind Israel on the list of recipents of US Foreign Aid (in the form of military hardware). Also, just going off memory here, wasn't all this aid to Egypt and Israel connected to the peace agreement between Sadat & Begin back in the late 70's, brokered by Jimmy Carter? If so, it isn't begging and they aren't food stamps, they are payments for peace?

As for Israel buying "tools of war food stamps the begged off the USA"... they are payments for peace?

It is ignorance nothing more & a whole lot less for the future children of the US as their futures are sold.

How is the payment in weaponry working out in Afghanistan? Opps that's right those guys the US armed were their dogs of war freedom fighters back then....

Israel has one friend $$$$

The US armed Israel in the first place because the Soviet Union was arming all the Arab countries and we wanted allies in the Middle East.

They are still our most reliable allies in the area and so they get a lot of funding to make sure that they around to help us when we need it It is called International politics.

Reliable Allies my a$$ they would sell the printed circuits right out of those jets to the Chinese if it suited their agenda.

Funding hahahahah welfare is the term & they suck it up.

The sooner we distance ourselves from them the better the world would think of us.

Reliable Allies my a$$ they would sell the printed circuits right out of those jets to the Chinese if it suited their agenda.

Funding hahahahah welfare is the term & they suck it up.

The sooner we distance ourselves from them the better the world would think of us.

I would venture a guess that most of the citizens of the US couldn't give a fig about what the rest of the world thinks about us.

Most countries are so kind and wonderful and do not look out for their own self interests. I just do not know what has gotten into them!

Reliable Allies my a$$ they would sell the printed circuits right out of those jets to the Chinese if it suited their agenda.

Funding hahahahah welfare is the term & they suck it up.

The sooner we distance ourselves from them the better the world would think of us.

I would venture a guess that most of the citizens of the US couldn't give a fig about what the rest of the world thinks about us.

That is because your an X-pat & out of touch :lol:

We here in the US do give a sh!t & do also notice when the dogs of govt spend us down a hole with these hand outs to these welfare recipients

Worse is these same welfare recipients have in recent events a habit of making the worlds stomach turn.

They cry about the past while jack booting their way into the future

They cry about nuclear arms while they are the minority that will not make clear their own nukes.

Please.....Good for the goose good for the gander. Let this welfare recipient double standard talking group stand where they belong....alone

I would venture a guess that most of the citizens of the US couldn't give a fig about what the rest of the world thinks about us.

Some of them do nothing but talk trash about the country and then profess to be great patriots. I guess you have a point.

Reliable Allies my a$$ they would sell the printed circuits right out of those jets to the Chinese if it suited their agenda.

Funding hahahahah welfare is the term & they suck it up.

The sooner we distance ourselves from them the better the world would think of us.

I would venture a guess that most of the citizens of the US couldn't give a fig about what the rest of the world thinks about us.

That is because your an X-pat & out of touch :lol:

We here in the US do give a sh!t & do also notice when the dogs of govt spend us down a hole with these hand outs to these welfare recipients

Worse is these same welfare recipients have in recent events a habit of making the worlds stomach turn.

They cry about the past while jack booting their way into the future

They cry about nuclear arms while they are the minority that will not make clear their own nukes.

Please.....Good for the goose good for the gander. Let this welfare recipient double standard talking group stand where they belong....alone

Care to give us some examples of the "welfare recipient" group you are talking about?

That and the jackboot reference are secret code for The Jews.

http://www.upi.com/Business_News/Security-Industry/2010/01/19/Israel-can-use-stockpiled-US-arms/UPI-47571263917580/

Israel can use stockpiled U.S. arms

TEL AVIV, Israel, Jan. 19 (UPI) -- The U.S. Army is reportedly building up stockpiles of missiles, armored vehicles, artillery shells and other equipment

in Israel that the Israelis will be allowed to use in an emergency. The increase in the U.S. arsenal in the Jewish state now under way, reported

by the Washington-based Defense News weekly, will reinforce support for Israel by the administration of U.S. President Barack Obama in the confrontation with

Iran over its contentious nuclear program.

...

According to Defense News, the current buildup "is the final phase of a process that began over a year ago to determine the type and amount of U.S. weapons and ammunition to be stored in Israel." That, it added, was "part of an overarching American effort to stockpile weapons in areas in which its army may need to operate, while allowing American allies to make use of the ordnance in emergencies."

The United States began stockpiling $100 million in military equipment in Israel in 1990.

The United States began stockpiling $100 million in military equipment in Israel in 1990.

Welfare recipients have a hard time working for themselves once they become reliant on handouts.

That and the jackboot reference are secret code for The Jews.

No UG I don't play the wimpy kid game.

Unlike when some constantly say Naam went to Mel Gibson college making unveiled German/ Anti Semitic claims.

The reason is that my jackbooted thug comment is plain and simple.I am calling the Israeli Army a name.

The world see's it in Gaza & the most recent use of force just another example of their blatant double standard.

Lastly few in the world consider the jack booted thugs known as the Israelis Military as Jews as you would like to believe,

That way you could once again try to hide their obvious to the world actions behind some Anti Semitic BS

I dont consider the Israeli Army an example of Jewish religion anymore than I consider the US Military an example of Catholicism or the China army an example of Mahayana Buddhism

They... the Israeli military are not a religion they are just jack booted thugs claiming what is not theirs & denying others basic human rights/needs.

Hope that is clear as I would not normally like to respond to your posts .

But since you clearly referenced my post & tried to twist it into another claim of anti Semitic post I felt I should clear it up for others.

In the future I would prefer you not make assumptions/claims/replies about my posts as that will save me the time.

I would venture a guess that most of the citizens of the US couldn't give a fig about what the rest of the world thinks about us.

and vice versa!

Denying the obvious does not change the content of one's posts - that are there for all to see.

Reliable Allies my a$$ they would sell the printed circuits right out of those jets to the Chinese if it suited their agenda.

Funding hahahahah welfare is the term & they suck it up.

The sooner we distance ourselves from them the better the world would think of us.

I would venture a guess that most of the citizens of the US couldn't give a fig about what the rest of the world thinks about us.

Then why do you get so upset and defensive when people point out all of America's flaws?

The United States began stockpiling $100 million in military equipment in Israel in 1990.

Welfare recipients have a hard time working for themselves once they become reliant on handouts.

That "welfare" tag simply isn't sticking so you should really give it up. It has to have at least some accuracy to do so and it doesn't. A welfare recipient simply sucks off the gov't teet giving nothing in return. This article is just one example of Israel giving back. That stockpile is for the US MILITARY to use. In case you haven't noticed, over the past 20 years in the region half the time we've been in two wars, one 6-yr occupation and maintaining one 10-yr No-Fly Zone. In the past the Israelis have been allowed to dip into it. Why not, that's what allies are for.

Reliable Allies my a$$ they would sell the printed circuits right out of those jets to the Chinese if it suited their agenda.

Funding hahahahah welfare is the term & they suck it up.

The sooner we distance ourselves from them the better the world would think of us.

I would venture a guess that most of the citizens of the US couldn't give a fig about what the rest of the world thinks about us.

Then why do you get so upset and defensive when people point out all of America's flaws?

Where in that single sentence did I say I was in tune with the majority of the citizens?

The previous sentence is a rhetorical question and requires no answer although I am sure your flying fingers will be unable to resist.

This article is just one example of Israel giving back. That stockpile is for the US MILITARY to use.

Oh puleazzze if your that thick we may as well stop here.

while allowing American allies to make use of the ordnance in emergencies."

Hey perhaps there is a business idea for you there eh?

You could open a bunch of storage locations for the US Military to store its arms.

God knows the USA does not have the space.

Lastly I am referring to the article I posted to start this thread....

the US quietly announced early this month that it was selling 20 F-35 Stealth fighters to Israel. As Israeli military purchases are paid for with US foreign aid, we must realize that the weapons pointed at Iran in the Middle East are American made and largely paid for with American tax dollars.

I dont know what welfare in your language means but in mine it is when I pay tax dollars to support others....

In this case the US citizen is supporting with tax dollars weapons for thugs...

If your ok with that cool.....

This article is just one example of Israel giving back. That stockpile is for the US MILITARY to use.

Oh puleazzze if your that thick we may as well stop here.

while allowing American allies to make use of the ordnance in emergencies."

Hey perhaps there is a business idea for you there eh?

You could open a bunch of storage locations for the US Military to store its arms.

God knows the USA does not have the space.

Lastly I am referring to the article I posted to start this thread....

the US quietly announced early this month that it was selling 20 F-35 Stealth fighters to Israel. As Israeli military purchases are paid for with US foreign aid, we must realize that the weapons pointed at Iran in the Middle East are American made and largely paid for with American tax dollars.

I dont know what welfare in your language means but in mine it is when I pay tax dollars to support others....

In this case the US citizen is supporting with tax dollars weapons for thugs...

If your ok with that cool.....

You're the one being thick here. Welfare = using tax dollars to support others? So every gov't employee is a welfare recipient (including Obama)? As are people who receive Social Security? Your definition of welfare is off the mark and I'm sure you know it.FWIW, most of the time I think you're a reasonable guy. This is not one of those times.

From now on whenever someone insults another member(s), I'm just deleting their whole post and anything quoting them. If you want to waste your time writing stuff that's destined for the trash can, have at it. Another option is to act like an adult and formulate your opinions without resorting to insults.

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