SWITZERLAND is considering changing its incest laws to make sexual relations between family members LEGAL.

It claims the law banning incest is "obsolete", adding that the courts have dealt with just three cases since 1984.

The upper house of the Swiss parliament has drafted a law decriminalising sex between consenting family members which must now be considered by the government.

Switzerland insists that children within families will continue to be protected by laws governing abuse and paedophilia.

Politicians of both the left and right are said to be outraged at the suggested change.

But Green party MP and lawyer Daniel Vischer said he saw nothing wrong with two consenting adults having sex — even if they were related.

He added: "Incest is a difficult moral question, but not one that is answered by penal law."

Barbara Schmid Federer of The Christian People's Party of Switzerland slammed the proposal, saying it was "completely repugnant".

She said: "I for one could not countenance painting out such a law from the statute books."

The Protestant People's Party is also opposed to decriminalising the offence which at present carries a maximum three year jail term.

A spokesman for the party said: "Murder is also quite rare in Switzerland but no-one suggests that we remove that as an office from the statutes."

Members of the Swiss People's Party are calling for the proposed amendment to be struck down immediately and for incest laws to actually be beefed up.

Justice minister Simonetta Sommaruga has yet to decide whether to implement the proposal.

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He added: "Incest is a difficult moral question

No, it isn't.

He added: "Incest is a difficult moral question

No, it isn't.

maybe he had a thing for his Nan?

well it would make family reunions a bit more interesting

Yes those kissing cousins were the rage at our yearly get together.

The problem with close related marriage, if we take out the moral outrage for a moment, is the inherent genetic problem of off spring.

Genetic problems arise, that is the reason it should be guarded against, not morally but because of the outcome of such unions.

The problem with close related marriage, if we take out the moral outrage for a moment, is the inherent genetic problem of off spring.

Genetic problems arise, that is the reason it should be guarded against, not morally but because of the outcome of such unions.

agreed it is all about the genetic match i think the odds are something like 25% of a negative result in the new born. i am not sure but i think in the usa 1st and 2nd cousins are legal to wed.

There's a few sneak under the bar though.

In many Middle Eastern countries, marriages are very commonly arranged within the extended family. Some of these families are large, but I would guess that the lack of new genetic material takes it toll.

When I worked in the one of the countries, I had about 10 staff who married. All married cousins--usually first cousins, and a few 2nd cousins. None married outside their extended family.

Of the children born to these unions so far, there have been a number of stillborn babies or died in the first few days of life--but this could have been due to poor health care. At least 3 have genetic disorders--Thalasemia being the most common. Don't know if that's a result of 'inbreeding' or not. This information is purely anecdotal.

I have no opinion on Switzerland's plan to get rid of the law. I am happy for them it's not really a problem.

In many Middle Eastern countries, marriages are very commonly arranged within the extended family. Some of these families are large, but I would guess that the lack of new genetic material takes it toll.

When I worked in the one of the countries, I had about 10 staff who married. All married cousins--usually first cousins, and a few 2nd cousins. None married outside their extended family.

Of the children born to these unions so far, there have been a number of stillborn babies or died in the first few days of life--but this could have been due to poor health care. At least 3 have genetic disorders--Thalasemia being the most common. Don't know if that's a result of 'inbreeding' or not. This information is purely anecdotal.

I have no opinion on Switzerland's plan to get rid of the law. I am happy for them it's not really a problem.

In Libya - Kufra Oasis is about 1,000 km from anywher (except the Egyptian border, that's a couple of hundred kilometres away). In the early eighties one either flew there or drove on an unpaved road from Benghazi - we used to do both - a group fly down / drive back - another group drive down / fly back. The inhabitants of the oasis were interbred to hell and back. About one in five was physically deformed, esp. facially, and there were as many congenital idiots. It really was horrifying to see what the human being could turn out to be.

Now the road is paved there may be more inter-reaction with the rest of Libya, but with the Sahara being so large and there being so few roads, there are probably other communities down near Chad and Sudan who are just as isolated and just as inbred.

Many of those primitive tribes used to improve their gene pool by.... errr..... stealing women from other tribes.

Of course these days it's not considered the right thing to do, and most have lethal weaponry to deter raiders.

I doubt the wife stealers realised it was for the good of the tribe, they would have just considered it good fun.

Many of those primitive tribes used to improve their gene pool by.... errr..... stealing women from other tribes.

Of course these days it's not considered the right thing to do, and most have lethal weaponry to deter raiders.

I doubt the wife stealers realised it was for the good of the tribe, they would have just considered it good fun.

Completely understandable if you lived next door to the Minogue tribe.

I sure hope there aren't any members of that tribe that have access to this thread!

I don't think it'll come as a revelation to them that everybody wants to roger their women-folk!

Anyone ever been to Newfoundland in Canada ?........................Opticians paradise, if you know what i mean

Well, we are taking quite a trip on this thread. We've gone from keeping it all in the family to the isolated areas of the Sahara Desert, the Middle East, then visited the Minogue tribe in Australia and now we are in Newfoundland.

Meanwhile, back in Switzerland.....

Well, actually maybe not. I've heard that a number of Royal Families had trouble with inbreeding as well. Anyone have any information on that?

Anyone ever been to Newfoundland in Canada ?........................Opticians paradise, if you know what i mean

Everyone there needs glasses?

back to the topic...

I can't believe their parliament had no other business more important than making it legal to sleep with a family member.

It's kind of refreshing to hear about a country with so little to do....And in a few years, something will happen and then they will have to make it against the law again.

I still don't like it, I don't like the thought of a Father being able to persuade his children to have sex with him even if they are of the age of consent.

I feel it jeopardises the right of the child to refuse, much the same as most sensible armed forces forbid relationships between officers and enlisted personnel.

Here's a link to inbred royal families: http://meeg-toomuchinformation.blogspot.com/

I wonder if Swiss law will allow for people from other countries to go to Switzerland to marry.

I still don't like it, I don't like the thought of a Father being able to persuade his children to have sex with him even if they are of the age of consent.

He could do that now if they are of age. How many prosecutions for incest are there when the family members in question are both adults?

I still don't like it, I don't like the thought of a Father being able to persuade his children to have sex with him even if they are of the age of consent.

He could do that now if they are of age. How many prosecutions for incest are there when the family members in question are both adults?

I'm not sure what the AOC is in Switzerland is but lets assume it's 16. A lot of 16 year old girls, and for that matter boys.. (probably more so) are still immature. They may be able to tell an outsider to get lost but a very persistant parent could eventually wear them down, much the same as any authority figure has that power.

I just don't like it.

You make a good point about prosecution of adults, I suspect many adult siblings live in a sexual relationship without interference.

Fortunately my sister is ugly so I was never tempted.

I still don't like it, I don't like the thought of a Father being able to persuade his children to have sex with him even if they are of the age of consent.

He could do that now if they are of age. How many prosecutions for incest are there when the family members in question are both adults?

I'm not sure what the AOC is in Switzerland is but lets assume it's 16. A lot of 16 year old girls, and for that matter boys.. (probably more so) are still immature. They may be able to tell an outsider to get lost but a very persistant parent could eventually wear them down, much the same as any authority figure has that power.

I just don't like it.

You make a good point about prosecution of adults, I suspect many adult siblings live in a sexual relationship without interference.

Fortunately my sister is ugly so I was never tempted.

What do we expect from a country that refuses to extradite self confessed paedophiles?

live in a sexual relationship without interference.

Fortunately my sister is ugly so I was never tempted.

I was lucky in that way too.

I still don't like it, I don't like the thought of a Father being able to persuade his children to have sex with him even if they are of the age of consent.

He could do that now if they are of age. How many prosecutions for incest are there when the family members in question are both adults?

I'm not sure what the AOC is in Switzerland is but lets assume it's 16. A lot of 16 year old girls, and for that matter boys.. (probably more so) are still immature. They may be able to tell an outsider to get lost but a very persistant parent could eventually wear them down, much the same as any authority figure has that power.

I just don't like it.

You make a good point about prosecution of adults, I suspect many adult siblings live in a sexual relationship without interference.

Fortunately my sister is ugly so I was never tempted.

What do we expect from a country that refuses to extradite self confessed paedophiles?

That was probably anti-Americanism rather than pro-pedophilia Chuck...

There is considerable difference between sibling incest and the influence a father can bring on a maturing girl perhaps herself being influenced by some Electra Complex and early stage resentment toward the mother.