Dear Chuck,

I am asking and whishing that NATO, EU and the US stay out of all of this.

Who do they think they are? the protectors of democracy?

Do you want to show the US as a perfect example of democracy and a free world?

Please think again.

People are fed up with this crap all around the world and they will revolt against all of this BS.

Recently a court decided that it was OK to shoot a 13 year old girl and actualy finished his gun magazine into her, him telling he would do the same to a tree year old that posseded no threath?

Are you OK with that Chuck?

Shooting innocent people by people that have been drugged with Ampethamines and brainwashed?

I just wonder how you can justify this all.

Alex

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For the second time, let me respond to this post.

What are you talking about? What court has decided it is OK to shoot a 13 year old girl, when was this decision made and where was this alleged murder carried out?

What does this have to do with the lack of leadership from the EU and the US in relation to the Libyan civil war, which was the thought behind my post you responded to?

If the question about the 13 year old girl was asked then you should provide a link so all of us will know what your thought process is and can respond appropriately to your very leading question.

How can you possibly make the statement..."I just wonder how you can justify this all."

Since I have no idea what you are talking about, how can you make the assertion that I justify it at all?

You, kind sir, are out of line with this post.

You Sir, apparantly have no idea what is happening outside your 30 square meter studio other than claim victory on all illegal interventions, invasions and illigeal occupations made by the greatest nation on Earth, similary claimed by the once mighty Austrian guy. (No pun intended).

The question was and still is: Is the brutal killing by a person with Muslim thinking (whatever that is) considered an act of terror?

To those that said it is, I gave a counter question: Is unloading a gun inside a 13 year old kid who showed no visible threath, an act of self defence, murder or an act of terror or as so many times claimed a mistake, collaterol damage or a legitamite action?

The court decided it was OK.

Just try to look at it ( The OP question and my example) from both sides (If you can).

http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2005/nov/16/israel2

And please do not try some word games and questionares, we all know what I mean although my English is not good.

Alex:

My wife has three golden retrievers. The dog kennel is more than 30 square meters. Talking down to me is even more foolish than some of your other posts so you might want to refrain from that sort of nonsense.

Now that you have finally decided to provide a link concerning the 13 year old girl and, after reading the link you finally provided, I can only say it would appear justice was not carried out in this case. Having said that, I was not there nor were you, so any position we might take as to the guilt or innocence of Captain R could not possibly be based on anything other that raw emotions. I have mine under control. You might consider doing the same.

Now getting to your seriously hypothetical and somewhat ridiculous question about the murderer with 'Muslim thinking' performing the act of killing somebody, let me respond with two scenarios.

1. If I am driving down the Ring Road in Riyadh and unintentionally cut in front of a Muslim driver and he then forces me off the road and shoots me dead, I would consider that an act of road rage and thus classify it as murder.

2. If, on the other hand, I am driving safely in my lane and a Muslim forces me off the same Ring Road in Riyadh, pulls out his trusty Glock, yells Allah Akhbar and pumps 13 rounds into my chest, that would probably be an act of terrorism. Oh, and if he saws off my head and stores it in the freezer compartment in his kitchen, that would definitely make it an act of terrorism.

3. My former employee was shot three times with an AK-47 by a Muslim yelling those famous words, Allah Akhbar. The local Saudi Police, Saudi Naval Intelligence and the Saudi secret police all called it an act of terrorism, which I agreed with

I sincerely hope this will answer all your hypothetical questions and you can refrain from addressing me any more about this matter. An apology would also be nice after you accused me of condoning the murder of the 13 year old girl even though you had not previously provided any information as to which murdered girl you were referring to.

Finally, if you think I am playing word games, perhaps you should consider posting on another forum that is less challenging to your language skills.

Rather ironic that you imply that someone has inadequate language skills!

It is more ironic that you imply that someone has inadequate language skills.

Rather ironic that you imply that someone has inadequate language skills!

It is more ironic that you imply that someone has inadequate language skills.

Why?

IRA terrorists were/are Catholic....from your reasoning, any Catholic that commits violence must also be a terrorist.

Only if they try to slaughter a bunch of Protestants or English people while yelling out Tiocfaidh ár lá!

Even though this is OTB, please have a modicum of respect to the forum rules, in particular:

30) Do not modify someone else's post in your quoted reply, either with font or color changes, added emoticons, or altered wording.

From Forum Netiquette:

5. Please do not quote multiple nested quotes. Quote only the relevant section that you are discussing. Moderators will snip excessively long nested quotes.

Quote only the relevant section that you are discussing.

Thanks.

IRA terrorists were/are Catholic....from your reasoning, any Catholic that commits violence must also be a terrorist.

Only if they try to slaughter a bunch of Protestants or English people while yelling out Tiocfaidh ár lá!

This is your reason behind your implying that my language skills are inadequate?

I suggest your reasoning skills need a bit of a brush-up.

This is your reason behind your implying that my language skills are inadequate?

Nope.

Hi Chuck,

Please understand that this comment about the 30 Squire meter appartment was just meant as a bit of a joke, just teasing you know.

My apologies for that if you took that as a serious statement.

Yes my English language skills are not up to par but if you could communicate in a (for you)foreign language as well as you can in English please let me know and I will adress you in that language as there is a posibility I might be able to do that.

We are all here to find some kind of thruth and hopefully that will not be one that is influenced by the MSN and governments (If you understand what I mean).

In order to classify terrorism we need to define it.

So far there is no clear and global accepted definition of it, am I right?

So we have to blank out everything that has been told to us and focus on the main question.

What is terorism?

Cheers all!

Hi Chuck,

Please understand that this comment about the 30 Squire meter appartment was just meant as a bit of a joke, just teasing you know.

My apologies for that if you took that as a serious statement.

Yes my English language skills are not up to par but if you could communicate in a (for you)foreign language as well as you can in English please let me know and I will adress you in that language as there is a posibility I might be able to do that.

We are all here to find some kind of thruth and hopefully that will not be one that is influenced by the MSN and governments (If you understand what I mean).

In order to classify terrorism we need to define it.

So far there is no clear and global accepted definition of it, am I right?

So we have to blank out everything that has been told to us and focus on the main question.

What is terorism?

Cheers all!

Yes, I took it as an insult. I don't like being talked down to and that is what you were doing.

As far as communicating in another language is concerned, I am quite happy to remain a member of ThaiVisa and will continue to post here. My reference to your language skills was in response to this statement you made in the post with the 30 meter part in it.

"And please do not try some word games and questionares, we all know what I mean although my English is not good."

You brought it up, not me. You then accused me of playing word games with you, which was not true. You had not, at that point published a link to the mysterious death of the 13 year old girl and, quite frankly, I doubt if anybody knew what you were talking about. I certainly did not.

If you will study the three scenarios in my post, you will find what I think differentiates a murderer from a terrorist killer.

Intent, Alex, intent! What was the motivating force behind the killing(s), or to put it another way, the intent of the killing(s).

Hi Chuck,

Please understand that this comment about the 30 Squire meter appartment was just meant as a bit of a joke, just teasing you know.

My apologies for that if you took that as a serious statement.

Yes my English language skills are not up to par but if you could communicate in a (for you)foreign language as well as you can in English please let me know and I will adress you in that language as there is a posibility I might be able to do that.

We are all here to find some kind of thruth and hopefully that will not be one that is influenced by the MSN and governments (If you understand what I mean).

In order to classify terrorism we need to define it.

So far there is no clear and global accepted definition of it, am I right?

So we have to blank out everything that has been told to us and focus on the main question.

What is terorism?

Cheers all!

Yes, I took it as an insult. I don't like being talked down to and that is what you were doing.

As far as communicating in another language is concerned, I am quite happy to remain a member of ThaiVisa and will continue to post here. My reference to your language skills was in response to this statement you made in the post with the 30 meter part in it.

"And please do not try some word games and questionares, we all know what I mean although my English is not good."

You brought it up, not me. You then accused me of playing word games with you, which was not true. You had not, at that point published a link to the mysterious death of the 13 year old girl and, quite frankly, I doubt if anybody knew what you were talking about. I certainly did not.

If you will study the three scenarios in my post, you will find what I think differentiates a murderer from a terrorist killer.

Intent, Alex, intent! What was the motivating force behind the killing(s), or to put it another way, the intent of the killing(s).

Your scenario 2 was a hate crime perhaps, and if the freezer scenario was added, then it was pure insanity. There is no terrorism about it.

Are the words, "Allah akbar" terrifying or meant to induce terror in a population? It is, aswell as being a phrase praising Allah, a war cry.

Intent chuck, intent! The guy hated you and wanted to kill you. No inference that he wanted to dominate the world or terrify other civilians. Even if he hated you simply because you're American and not for your personality flaws or rudeness and murders you, it still does not mean he is a terrorist neccessarily....simply an angry murderer or crazy.

You seem to be caught up in the myth that all violent Muslims, and all hate-filled Muslims, are terrorists. Not so.

Why don't you give us your definition of "terrorism" and lets see if it fits with the scenario you gave....then find a reputable source backing up your definition.

Hi Chuck,

Please understand that this comment about the 30 Squire meter appartment was just meant as a bit of a joke, just teasing you know.

My apologies for that if you took that as a serious statement.

Yes my English language skills are not up to par but if you could communicate in a (for you)foreign language as well as you can in English please let me know and I will adress you in that language as there is a posibility I might be able to do that.

We are all here to find some kind of thruth and hopefully that will not be one that is influenced by the MSN and governments (If you understand what I mean).

In order to classify terrorism we need to define it.

So far there is no clear and global accepted definition of it, am I right?

So we have to blank out everything that has been told to us and focus on the main question.

What is terorism?

Cheers all!

Yes, I took it as an insult. I don't like being talked down to and that is what you were doing.

As far as communicating in another language is concerned, I am quite happy to remain a member of ThaiVisa and will continue to post here. My reference to your language skills was in response to this statement you made in the post with the 30 meter part in it.

"And please do not try some word games and questionares, we all know what I mean although my English is not good."

You brought it up, not me. You then accused me of playing word games with you, which was not true. You had not, at that point published a link to the mysterious death of the 13 year old girl and, quite frankly, I doubt if anybody knew what you were talking about. I certainly did not.

If you will study the three scenarios in my post, you will find what I think differentiates a murderer from a terrorist killer.

Intent, Alex, intent! What was the motivating force behind the killing(s), or to put it another way, the intent of the killing(s).

If you don't like being talked down to, why do you talk down to others?

If you don't like being talked down to, why do you talk down to others?

Look inwardly grasshopper, instead of insulting others for something that you are guilty of yourself. :jap:

If you don't like being talked down to, why do you talk down to others?

Look inwardly grasshopper, instead of insulting others for something that you are more guilty of yourself. :jap:

UG:

I'm going to suspend my pledge not to respond to Harcourt's troll posts with this...

U.S. hostage's head found in freezer

Wednesday, July 21, 2004 Posted: 2149 GMT (0549 HKT)

RIYADH, Saudi Arabia (CNN) -- The head of slain American hostage Paul M. Johnson Jr., who was kidnapped and beheaded in Saudi Arabia last month, has been found in a freezer, a Saudi Interior Ministry official said.

Two suspected al Qaeda militants were killed during raids, the official added Wednesday.

Security forces found the head and a cache of weapons in a raid on a villa Tuesday night and it was positively identified Wednesday morning.

Rest of story here: http://edition.cnn.com/2004/WORLD/meast/07/21/saudi.johnson/index.html

Or this one... http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Paul_Marshall_Johnson,_Jr.

Since I was living in Riyadh at the time and a highly placed Manager of his company was a good friend, I sort of know what I am talking about.

Now back to my personal ban on responding to his troll posts.

Your scenario 2 was a hate crime perhaps, and if the freezer scenario was added, then it was pure insanity. There is no terrorism about it.

UG:

My links in the previous post concerning the terrorist murder, and the finding of the head of Paul Johnson, relate to the above quoted statement made by Harcourt.

Insanity, indeed.

Chuck - it may not have been a hate crime, or terrorism.

I recall that in the beginning of the eighties there was a story in the Saudi Gazette (around the time of the Grand Mosque thingy in Makkah) of a couple of Koreans arrested in Jeddah, where police had found body parts of a Pakistani in a freezer.

That wasn't terrorism - the guys were saving on the cost of meat for their evening meals.

Chuck - it may not have been a hate crime, or terrorism.

I recall that in the beginning of the eighties there was a story in the Saudi Gazette (around the time of the Grand Mosque thingy in Makkah) of a couple of Koreans arrested in Jeddah, where police had found body parts of a Pakistani in a freezer.

That wasn't terrorism - the guys were saving on the cost of meat for their evening meals.

I was told at the time they found Johnson's head there was a terrorist's family living in the same villa and using the same fridge for their food storage.

I always wondered who got the ice cream out if the kids wanted some.

PS: I had a friend that went in on the Grand Mosque thingy. He said it was a blood bath before it was done. Had another friend that went into Medina to retrieve the bodies of two young boys from a very deep pond.

Don't let anybody ever tell you the sanctity of Makkah and Medina have never been violated by non-believers.

Dear Chuck,

Again my sincere apologies for my comments made, I hope you can accept these as I promise not to do this again.

I am serious when I am asking about the (globally) accepted definition of terrorism as there seems to be not one definition of it.

To me terrorism is an act(of violence) intended to instigate fear in the population. These kind of (violant) acts have to be repeated in order to achieve this.

Another kind of terrorism would be the recent financial crisis, with people in government threatening the public of martial law, and tanks in the street if we did not agree with what they offered as a solution.

These are just two examples that can be called terrorism in my view of it.

That's why I would like to ask if we can agree on a definition of terror(ism) in order to classify "Events" as an act of terror(ism).

If you or anyone else has have some more ideas on this, please share.

Take care all!

Alex

Dear Chuck,

Again my sincere apologies for my comments made, I hope you can accept these as I promise not to do this again.

Alex

OK, let's move on.

According to chucky's "reasoning", this Diel-Armstrong woman is a terrorist...

"...Roden's body was found in a freezer in a garage just down the street from where Wells made his last delivery the day of the robbery. Prosecutors said Diehl-Armstrong killed him in August 2003 to prevent him from revealing the bank robbery plot...."

http://www.aolnews.com/2011/02/28/marjorie-diehl-armstrong-final-pennsylvania-collar-bomb-conspir/

According to chucky's "reasoning", this chap also is a terrorist....

"The Uttarakhand police has filed a charge sheet against software engineer Rajesh Gulati, who allegedly killed his wife Anupama and hid her body parts in a deep-freezer for nearly two months."

http://www.dnaindia.com/india/report_charge-sheet-filed-in-anupama-gulati-deep-freezer-murder-case_1518591

According to chucky's "reasoning", and despite his remaining to decline to define "terrorism", anyone (or is it just anyone of the Muslim faith?) who murders then puts the body or parts in the freezer, must be a terrorist.

If it is just Muslims, then would that make Gulati (above link) a terrorist, but Diel-Armstrong simply a murderer?

Why just Muslims? Catholic IRA members don't freeze victims bodies, so does that exempt them from the label "terrorist"?

"Reasoning" indeed.

Enough with the nitpicking.

According to chucky's "reasoning", this Diel-Armstrong woman is a terrorist...

"...Roden's body was found in a freezer in a garage just down the street from where Wells made his last delivery the day of the robbery. Prosecutors said Diehl-Armstrong killed him in August 2003 to prevent him from revealing the bank robbery plot...."

http://www.aolnews.c...r-bomb-conspir/

According to chucky's "reasoning", this chap also is a terrorist....

"The Uttarakhand police has filed a charge sheet against software engineer Rajesh Gulati, who allegedly killed his wife Anupama and hid her body parts in a deep-freezer for nearly two months."

http://www.dnaindia....er-case_1518591

According to chucky's "reasoning", and despite his remaining to decline to define "terrorism", anyone (or is it just anyone of the Muslim faith?) who murders then puts the body or parts in the freezer, must be a terrorist.

If it is just Muslims, then would that make Gulati (above link) a terrorist, but Diel-Armstrong simply a murderer?

Why just Muslims? Catholic IRA members don't freeze victims bodies, so does that exempt them from the label "terrorist"?

"Reasoning" indeed.

Was al Qaeda involved in any of your examples?

According to chucky's "reasoning", this Diel-Armstrong woman is a terrorist...

"...Roden's body was found in a freezer in a garage just down the street from where Wells made his last delivery the day of the robbery. Prosecutors said Diehl-Armstrong killed him in August 2003 to prevent him from revealing the bank robbery plot...."

http://www.aolnews.c...r-bomb-conspir/

According to chucky's "reasoning", this chap also is a terrorist....

"The Uttarakhand police has filed a charge sheet against software engineer Rajesh Gulati, who allegedly killed his wife Anupama and hid her body parts in a deep-freezer for nearly two months."

http://www.dnaindia....er-case_1518591

According to chucky's "reasoning", and despite his remaining to decline to define "terrorism", anyone (or is it just anyone of the Muslim faith?) who murders then puts the body or parts in the freezer, must be a terrorist.

If it is just Muslims, then would that make Gulati (above link) a terrorist, but Diel-Armstrong simply a murderer?

Why just Muslims? Catholic IRA members don't freeze victims bodies, so does that exempt them from the label "terrorist"?

"Reasoning" indeed.

Was al Qaeda involved in any of your examples?

Not that I'm aware of, but neither was the fictitious Arab that shot him (chucky) 13 times in a fit of road rage....but apparently, if that Arab had put his head or some body parts in a freezer, it makes him a terrorist! Chucky's reasoning is very clear from his posts.

Of course....if an Al Qaeda member shot chucky and put his head in a freezer, then the murderer would be a terrosrist.....but not because of freezing body parts!

Guys...

Do not feed the troll.

Guys...

Do not feed the troll.

Don't go all suicidal on us dude

If we dont feed ya who will?

One incident in which I had a very slight involvement.

http://www.chron.com/disp/story.mpl/world/2547494.html

A colleague of mine from 2006/2007 was working on that project at that time. Fortunately he had taken his vacation a couple of days before the incident.

I was employing two other men who were currently on loan to Lummus. The work had reached commissioning stage in part, and had been going quite well. The Saudi police turned out in colossal force after the event. I also had my semi-permanent Saudi base in Arabian Homes, where the US Ambassador held his meeting.

This was terrorism without the freezer.

My previous story was freezer without the terrorism.

Really it is all in the eye of the beholder - some call it terrorism, some murder, some guerilla warfare, some freedom fighting. All merge into one.

When Gaddafi wins in Libya there will be a lot of murder done, but you'll not hear much about it. Now it is either freedom fighting or anti-government revolutionaries, maybe drugged islamist terrorists if you're a Gaddafi fanatic. But they're all dead meat. And their families.

Guys...

Do not feed the troll.

chucky, don't read my posts if they disturb you so much. If you do not have the wherewithall to respond, or the maturity to admit it after I call you on a huge mistake you have made, at least grow up. You're like a 12 year old girl' "Come on girls, I don't like her so you musn't talk to her either".

It is incorrect labels based on false premises that feed misguided mass hysteria.

How many Sikhs were beaten up in Western countries (not just USA) in the weeks after 911? "He's got a turban....he's a rag-head....he's a terrorist...lets get him!". "All ragheads are terrorists!"

Sometimes the mis-labelling is deliberate to serve an agenda (eg Assange is a rapist), and sometimes it is borne of ignorance...as in chucky's case.

I think both types of mistake (the deliberate and the ignorant) are harmful, but it is the ignorant mistakes that are pitiful because just a little bit of common sense (and maturity to concede) could change the misconceptions (and ensuing harm) that come out of the ignorance.

One incident in which I had a very slight involvement.

http://www.chron.com...ld/2547494.html

A colleague of mine from 2006/2007 was working on that project at that time. Fortunately he had taken his vacation a couple of days before the incident.

I was employing two other men who were currently on loan to Lummus. The work had reached commissioning stage in part, and had been going quite well. The Saudi police turned out in colossal force after the event. I also had my semi-permanent Saudi base in Arabian Homes, where the US Ambassador held his meeting.

This was terrorism without the freezer.

My previous story was freezer without the terrorism.

Really it is all in the eye of the beholder - some call it terrorism, some murder, some guerilla warfare, some freedom fighting. All merge into one.

When Gaddafi wins in Libya there will be a lot of murder done, but you'll not hear much about it. Now it is either freedom fighting or anti-government revolutionaries, maybe drugged islamist terrorists if you're a Gaddafi fanatic. But they're all dead meat. And their families.

Although the UN dragging it's heels may have missed the best opportunity, I'm not sure that NATO will not intervene. Lebanon has given it's support for a no-fly zone, which is now two Arab nations behind the international push to oust Gaddafi. I think Gaddafi will be pushed, and that there will be external impetus. Ben Ghazi will be the turning point. If too many civilians get slaughtered, NATO will move in.

Ben Bernanke

Ben Stiller

Ben Affleck

Ben Gazzara

Ben Franklin

Ben Hogan

Ben Ghazi (?)

Aaaaargh,

Please all of you, can we define a terrorist and/or terrorism please.

Without referring to personal experiences?

Please all of you, can we define a terrorist and/or terrorism please.

why should we?