[list][*]Killings in Kandahar follow UN attack that left up to 20 dead and 83 wounded

[*]Taliban claims responsibility for UN attack

[*]Demonstrations against the burnings take place across the Middle East[*]President Obama appeals for calm and condemns Koran burning as an 'act of bigotry' - but does not mention Florida pastor

[*]Norwegian, Romanian, Swedish and Nepalese nationals among those killed

Despite clear evidence that his actions have led to multiple murders and widespread violence in the Middle East, controversial Florida pastor Terry Jones has vowed to step up his provocative campaign against Islam.

The radical pastor said that he was considering putting Islamic prophet Mohammed 'on trial' for his next 'day of judgement' publicity stunt.

His last, in which he oversaw the burning of a copy of the Koran after a six-hour mock trial, has been directly responsible for a wave of violence that began last night and has left 30 people dead and more than 150 injured.

Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1372827/Terry-Jones-says-It-indented-stir-pot-Koran-burning-sparks-second-wave-violence-leaving-10-dead-78-hurt.html#ixzz1IS9sN67i

They should let him do his 'trials' in Afghanistan.

He clearly feels very strongly about it all, I'm sure the Afghans would be very interested in attending.

Following is the link to contact the Rev. Jones.

Send him an e-mail and let him know what you think about his actions.

http://www.doveworld.org/contact

Sadly, I think that would not have the desired effect.

He is clearly looking for publicity and notoriety so 'hate mail' is only likely to highlight how well known his actions are encourage him to continue.

There is nothing more destructive than religious zealotry and obsession.......all spiritual leanings included.

Had something to say here but the internet ate it. Maybe tomorrow.

Had something to say here but the internet ate it. Maybe tomorrow.

...standing by.

Sadly, I think that would not have the desired effect.

He is clearly looking for publicity and notoriety so 'hate mail' is only likely to highlight how well known his actions are encourage him to continue.

You're assuming chucky wants to send disapproving mail......

Well, that's that discussion nipped in the bud!

I can hardly believe that his intolerant and hate-provoking PR can be allowed in a democracy-liking country as the US. How can this demagogue not be in jail?

Please tell me that this idiot is breaking US laws against religious freedom! Otherwise, what is happening to "the land of the free"?

Seriously though, it is sad that people like this minority hatefull religion can still make headlines. Most peole (even in the US) are reasonable.

I can hardly believe that his intolerant and hate-provoking PR can be allowed in a democracy-liking country as the US. How can this demagogue not be in jail?

Please tell me that this idiot is breaking US laws against religious freedom! Otherwise, what is happening to "the land of the free"?

Seriously though, it is sad that people like this minority hateful religion can still make headlines. Most people (even in the US) are reasonable.

Sad to say that it is probably freedom of religion that will be twisted to protect him.

The law that is missing & never enforceable is the law of common sense. Some basic respect for others & their cultures, religion, ways of life is also missing & the hatred this one displays was probably fed to him from an early age.

It is sad but true that the freedom of speech & other rights are abused daily in the US as they always were.

Whether it be the KKK burning crosses or skin heads marching down the street it exists.

You are right that most people are reasonable & as such are trapped by their reasoning knowing that they cannot limit freedoms to their exact definition hence the double edged sword analogy that follows most freedoms.

Sad it is though & as you say hate provoking & intolerant. In a time when hateful intolerance of others is filling the world.

This all can only end badly. Nothing good can come of this.

Well, that's that discussion nipped in the bud!

Why should my pointing out your assumption nip this discussion in the bud?

You're assuming that everyone in this forum will agree with you that Jones is a hatefull bigot. Chucky often has a different opinion to yours.

Terry Jones obviously has supporters, and chucky has shown this forum how he views Muslims. That's his right and his views are often the catalyst for debate....as are mine and yours.

Sad to say that it is probably freedom of religion that will be twisted to protect him.

The law that is missing & never enforceable is the law of common sense. Some basic respect for others & their cultures, religion, ways of life is also missing & the hatred this one displays was probably fed to him from an early age.

It is sad but true that the freedom of speech & other rights are abused daily in the US as they always were.

Whether it be the KKK burning crosses or skin heads marching down the street it exists.

You are right that most people are reasonable & as such are trapped by their reasoning knowing that they cannot limit freedoms to their exact definition hence the double edged sword analogy that follows most freedoms.

Sad it is though & as you say hate provoking & intolerant. In a time when hateful intolerance of others is filling the world.

This all can only end badly. Nothing good can come of this.

Absolutely.

I wonder why "the greater good" is not considered here. Jones has his rights, but if the excersise of those rights damages the rights of many others, surely his right should be suppressed?

And consider the Afghans.

If someone there burnt a Bible, or a Bhuddhist treatise, or Hindu book, then would you run around killing Afghans in your country?

If you were a Muslim, would you blow up and kill 40 fellow muslims, because they belonged to a different sect? Happened yesterday in Pakistan.

If you were a Northern Irish Roman Catholic, would you blow up a fellow RC, because he was a policeman? Happened this weekend in Northern Ireland.

There is no accounting for religious bigotry - you cannot successfully legislate against it, because it will ignore the laws of the state and follow it's own laws and beliefs.

I can hardly believe that his intolerant and hate-provoking PR can be allowed in a democracy-liking country as the US. How can this demagogue not be in jail?

Please tell me that this idiot is breaking US laws against religious freedom! Otherwise, what is happening to "the land of the free"?

Seriously though, it is sad that people like this minority hateful religion can still make headlines. Most people (even in the US) are reasonable.

Sad to say that it is probably freedom of religion that will be twisted to protect him.

The law that is missing & never enforceable is the law of common sense. Some basic respect for others & their cultures, religion, ways of life is also missing & the hatred this one displays was probably fed to him from an early age.

It is sad but true that the freedom of speech & other rights are abused daily in the US as they always were.

Whether it be the KKK burning crosses or skin heads marching down the street it exists.

You are right that most people are reasonable & as such are trapped by their reasoning knowing that they cannot limit freedoms to their exact definition hence the double edged sword analogy that follows most freedoms.

Sad it is though & as you say hate provoking & intolerant. In a time when hateful intolerance of others is filling the world.

This all can only end badly. Nothing good can come of this.

Jones' actions are protected under the First Amendment, Freedom of Speech. This amendment also provides protection for those who wish to burn the US flag. He is protected under the same right the Assange apologists claim cover HIS actions. (This statement is not directed at Mr Flying.)

For the record, I DO NOT support this lunatics actions. I was in the Middle East when the Abu Ghraib hazing photos were published by the New York Times and am well aware of the reaction that occurs in the Muslim community, unlike others who claim to be experts on the religion because they drive by a Mosque once a week.

Sad to say that it is probably freedom of religion that will be twisted to protect him.

The law that is missing & never enforceable is the law of common sense. Some basic respect for others & their cultures, religion, ways of life is also missing & the hatred this one displays was probably fed to him from an early age.

It is sad but true that the freedom of speech & other rights are abused daily in the US as they always were.

Whether it be the KKK burning crosses or skin heads marching down the street it exists.

You are right that most people are reasonable & as such are trapped by their reasoning knowing that they cannot limit freedoms to their exact definition hence the double edged sword analogy that follows most freedoms.

Sad it is though & as you say hate provoking & intolerant. In a time when hateful intolerance of others is filling the world.

This all can only end badly. Nothing good can come of this.

Jones' actions are protected under the First Amendment, Freedom of Speech. This amendment also provides protection for those who wish to burn the US flag. He is protected under the same right the Assange apologists claim cover HIS actions. (This statement is not directed at Mr Flying.)

For the record, I DO NOT support this lunatics actions. I was in the Middle East when the Abu Ghraib hazing photos were published by the New York Times and am well aware of the reaction that occurs in the Muslim community, unlike others who claim to be experts on the religion because they drive by a Mosque once a week.

Agreed & is what I meant also about the double edged sword & abuse of freedoms

I also of course do not support or condone this lunatics action. As it serves no purpose & as you point out does pose a real danger for foreigners that may be in other countries when the new such as this is released.

There are those that condemn Jones out of principle, and there are those that condemn him for the repercussions he brings about.

In other words, there are those that would not condemn him if US, Christian, or Western lives were not threatened/taken.

Two very diferently motivated condemnations.

You should be able to burn any book you want without having to worry about anyone being killed over it. The realities of life show that isn't the case. Everyone knows fanatical Muslims are psychotic, barbaric bastards when it comes to offending their religion so it is best to not push their buttons. Maybe it's not fair, but life isn't.

it would be interesting to watch what happens to Muslims holding a mock trial and then burn a Bible somewhere in the U.S. "bahble belt". my uneducated guess is that without DNA comparison none of the participants could be identified by forensic experts.

Absolutely.

I wonder why "the greater good" is not considered here. Jones has his rights, but if the excersise of those rights damages the rights of many others, surely his right should be suppressed?

i don't think he damaged the rights of others but he incited in a premeditated way violence with deadly result. in my home country he would go to prison. now waiting patiently for the usual intelligent remarks concerning the "Tausendjährige Reich" and its premeditated results :jap:

And eventually he will get a Muslim-edict, (Fatwah), and he can spend the rest of his days looking over his shoulder. Time will forget him, but the fanatics won't.

By the way, I certainly recall groups burning the Bible and other than getting a bit of negative attention from the zealots, that's about it. The Bible, like the Koran, is simply a book. Burning either of them won't change the beliefs of the people.

The Bible, like the Koran, is simply a book.

you know that and i know that. staunch muslims beg to differ.

You should be able to burn any book you want without having to worry about anyone being killed over it. The realities of life show that isn't the case. Everyone knows fanatical Muslims are psychotic, barbaric bastards when it comes to offending their religion so it is best to not push their buttons. Maybe it's not fair, but life isn't.

No, you should not be allowed to burn any book. The Nazis did that with the purpose of eradicating those who they blamed (I'm not sure anymore for what), and they had identified a certain religious group.

I can hardly believe that his intolerant and hate-provoking PR can be allowed in a democracy-liking country as the US. How can this demagogue not be in jail?

Please tell me that this idiot is breaking US laws against religious freedom! Otherwise, what is happening to "the land of the free"?

Seriously though, it is sad that people like this minority hateful religion can still make headlines. Most people (even in the US) are reasonable.

Sad to say that it is probably freedom of religion that will be twisted to protect him.

The law that is missing & never enforceable is the law of common sense. Some basic respect for others & their cultures, religion, ways of life is also missing & the hatred this one displays was probably fed to him from an early age.

It is sad but true that the freedom of speech & other rights are abused daily in the US as they always were.

Whether it be the KKK burning crosses or skin heads marching down the street it exists.

You are right that most people are reasonable & as such are trapped by their reasoning knowing that they cannot limit freedoms to their exact definition hence the double edged sword analogy that follows most freedoms.

Sad it is though & as you say hate provoking & intolerant. In a time when hateful intolerance of others is filling the world.

This all can only end badly. Nothing good can come of this.

I'm sorry to hear about the legal state in the US. Apparently, it is not a mature democracy. In my country, anybody who proposes hatred against any group (religious or otherwise) will stand trial. Period. It does not matter what religion he belongs to himself, and if it is a religion (or sect) that preaches hatred, it will be outlawed too.

Hatred is not a right protected under the theory of democracy or the freedom of speech, nor is it protectable as a religion.Never mind whether it is propagated under the umbrella of Christianity, Islam, or any other religion that is abused for the purpose.

You should be able to burn any book you want without having to worry about anyone being killed over it. The realities of life show that isn't the case. Everyone knows fanatical Muslims are psychotic, barbaric bastards when it comes to offending their religion so it is best to not push their buttons. Maybe it's not fair, but life isn't.

Everything of this paragraph would be mirrored if replacing the word Muslims with Christians.

If this pastor is going to put Mohammed on trial, then he should summon Osama bin-Laden to the hearing. Wouldn't that be a hoot if bin-Laden was devout enough to show up to defend his faith!

Talk about egg on the gov't's face--all that money looking for him, only to find out how easy it was to find him.

You should be able to burn any book you want without having to worry about anyone being killed over it. The realities of life show that isn't the case. Everyone knows fanatical Muslims are psychotic, barbaric bastards when it comes to offending their religion so it is best to not push their buttons. Maybe it's not fair, but life isn't.

No, you should not be allowed to burn any book. The Nazis did that with the purpose of eradicating those who they blamed (I'm not sure anymore for what), and they had identified a certain religious group.

Don't get carried away. I'm not talking about censorship or burning all editions of a book. If I want to burn the Koran or the phone book that should be my individual right - as long as I don't violate any fire codes in the process.

I'm sorry to hear about the legal state in the US. Apparently, it is not a mature democracy. In my country, anybody who proposes hatred against any group (religious or otherwise) will stand trial. Period. It does not matter what religion he belongs to himself, and if it is a religion (or sect) that preaches hatred, it will be outlawed too.

Hatred is not a right protected under the theory of democracy or the freedom of speech, nor is it protectable as a religion.Never mind whether it is propagated under the umbrella of Christianity, Islam, or any other religion that is abused for the purpose.

Which part of Far Far Away land are you from? I doubt there is a country on the planet that would put a Muslim on trial for religious intolerance.

You should be able to burn any book you want without having to worry about anyone being killed over it. The realities of life show that isn't the case. Everyone knows fanatical Muslims are psychotic, barbaric bastards when it comes to offending their religion so it is best to not push their buttons. Maybe it's not fair, but life isn't.

No, you should not be allowed to burn any book. The Nazis did that with the purpose of eradicating those who they blamed (I'm not sure anymore for what), and they had identified a certain religious group.

Don't get carried away. I'm not talking about censorship or burning all editions of a book. If I want to burn the Koran or the phone book that should be my individual right - as long as I don't violate any fire codes in the process.

I'm with you in part, but tell me how you feel about flag burners. I don't mean how you feel about their right to burn the Stars & Stripes, but how would you feel at the (supposed) affront?

If you don't give a dam_n...that's fine....but can you understand how some US patriots are very offended by the act of flag burning?

Don't get carried away. I'm not talking about censorship or burning all editions of a book. If I want to burn the Koran or the phone book that should be my individual right - as long as I don't violate any fire codes in the process.

I'm with you in part, but tell me how you feel about flag burners. I don't mean how you feel about their right to burn the Stars & Stripes, but how would you feel at the (supposed) affront?

If you don't give a dam_n...that's fine....but can you understand how some US patriots are very offended by the act of flag burning?

I don't like flag burners but it's their right. There isn't a law against it just as there is no law against burning a book. Just because there aren't laws against either doesn't mean you have to have a favourable opinion of those who do it.

Here's my favorite flag burner: