"The daughter has reportedly told her Pakistani investigators that the US forces captured her father alive but shot him dead in front of family members."

http://english.alara.../04/147782.html

not good for The Yewnighted States of America nor for Americans living abroad!

interesting read Naam .... which further goes into the theory that maybe he is still alive ...... as now there is no confirmed deadbody.

hopefully more will unfold

"The daughter has reportedly told her Pakistani investigators that the US forces captured her father alive but shot him dead in front of family members."

http://english.alarabiya.net/articles/2011/05/04/147782.html

not good for The Yewnighted States of America nor for Americans living abroad!

So you are now down to believing the ISI and the alleged word of a 12 year old girl who might or might not have seen what happened?

I can hear you now...What reason does she have to lie?

"The daughter has reportedly told her Pakistani investigators that the US forces captured her father alive but shot him dead in front of family members."

http://english.alara.../04/147782.html

not good for The Yewnighted States of America nor for Americans living abroad!

So you are now down to believing the ISI and the alleged word of a 12 year old girl who might or might not have seen what happened?

I can hear you now...What reason does she have to lie?

What it probably means is we're gonna get to see the snuff film, which I'm sure will be relished in some sectors. Don't you just love this post-modernist age? Everything and nothing is ever true.

And Alarabiya News as a source.

OK. So...OBL is gone. Now what?

The next big media event will be the Thai government swooping down and capturing Khun Thaksin.

And Alarabiya News as a source.

i agree that FAUX News would have been a source with much more credibility. but it is not credibility that matters. what matters is what people or concerned parties believe. my American redneck friends believe in Donald Trump's statement "the Chinese are cleaning us out" and are in favour of "let's nuke the commie bàstards!"

credibility is also secondary for a man who walks through a village in Waziristan, after having a cold beer in the nudie bar "Aisha and her Burqa Girls", and hears some people shouting "this Ferangi just make a derogatory remark about Islam and the Prophet!" before his brains are bashed out.

So you are now down to believing the ISI and the alleged word of a 12 year old girl who might or might not have seen what happened?

I can hear you now...What reason does she have to lie?

it does not matter what i believe. personally i give a flying fàrt how he was killed. what matters is what other people believe and their potential reactions. see my posting "credibility".

What it probably means is we're gonna get to see the snuff film, which I'm sure will be relished in some sectors. Don't you just love this post-modernist age? Everything and nothing is ever true.

i don't believe that the U.S. Government is that stupid. there must be some advisers around who's IQ is above 82.5 and who will prevent that details are published.

So you are now down to believing the ISI and the alleged word of a 12 year old girl who might or might not have seen what happened?

I can hear you now...What reason does she have to lie?

it does not matter what i believe. personally i give a flying fàrt how he was killed. what matters is what other people believe and their potential reactions. see my posting "credibility".

That is true.

The reaction of the "Muslim street" is totally predictable (unfavorable) so we shouldn't care about that either.

The next big media event will be the Thai government swooping down and capturing Khun Thaksin.

This should be fun to observe.

And Alarabiya News as a source.

i agree that FAUX News would have been a source with much more credibility. but it is not credibility that matters. what matters is what people or concerned parties believe. my American redneck friends believe in Donald Trump's statement "the Chinese are cleaning us out" and are in favour of "let's nuke the commie bàstards!"

credibility is also secondary for a man who walks through a village in Waziristan, after having a cold beer in the nudie bar "Aisha and her Burqa Girls", and hears some people shouting "this Ferangi just make a derogatory remark about Islam and the Prophet!" before his brains are bashed out.

You keep true company with American Rednecks, Naam?

You keep true company with American Rednecks, Naam?

yes, i do. although i'm now in a time zone 12/13 hours (~20 flying hours) apart from them i still follow (since i am retired) religiously the vow we all made many rainy seasons ago "if we ever get out of that shit let's meet at least once a year!" surprisingly i don't mind at all listening for nearly a full week to all kind of right wing rubbish and derogatory remarks about illegal "spics" and lazy "n-words" and very surprising is that a spic and two n-words are members of the group who endorse those remarks.

Personally, I steer clear of the red necks, except the ones that I am related to. Don't have too much choice with them.

Personally, I steer clear of the red necks, except the ones that I am related to. Don't have too much choice with them.

As would I, Scott {stay clear}. Though, they have a place - if anything for balance and cycles that manifest naturally.

More curious, this idea of a redneck.....is this species limited to a select Western sect? Can a Malagasy or Lao or Nigerian be apart of such select company?

Personally, I steer clear of the red necks, except the ones that I am related to. Don't have too much choice with them.

As would I, Scott {stay clear}. Though, they have a place - if anything for balance and cycles that manifest naturally.

More curious, this idea of a redneck.....is this species limited to a select Western sect? Can a Malagasy or Lao or Nigerian be apart of such select company?

Only if they're oil workers.

Personally, I steer clear of the red necks, except the ones that I am related to. Don't have too much choice with them.

As would I, Scott {stay clear}. Though, they have a place - if anything for balance and cycles that manifest naturally.

More curious, this idea of a redneck.....is this species limited to a select Western sect? Can a Malagasy or Lao or Nigerian be apart of such select company?

Only if they're oil workers.

Roughnecks.

Hadn't thought of that

Wonder if it's a philological association, or accidental?

Or just dental?

The leathernecks were a pretty basic sort of man, too, though I daresay a good ol' leatherneck would have made a fairly decent neighbour, once you took the carbine away from him for fear of friendly fire.

To be a redneck you must be white, protestant, have completed 8 years of education (not necessarily successfully, I might add).

If you are a person of a race other than white or a religion other than protestant, then there are other classifications....these can range from gangs to extremists to terrorists. The classification depends on how serious your actions are.

To be a redneck you must be white, protestant, have completed 8 years of education (not necessarily successfully, I might add).

If you are a person of a race other than white or a religion other than protestant, then there are other classifications....these can range from gangs to extremists to terrorists. The classification depends on how serious your actions are.

http://www.countryhu...eck/mightbe.htm

300 Reasons you might be a Redneck...

Thank you Jeff Foxworthy!

1. You think "loading the dishwasher" means getting your wife drunk.
2. You ever cut your grass and found a car.
3. You own a home that is mobile and 5 cars that aren't.
4. You think the stock market has a fence around it.
5. Your stereo speakers used to belong to the Drive-in Theater.
6. Your boat has not left the drive-way in 15 years.
7. You own a homemade fur coat.
8. Chiggers are included on your list of top 5 hygiene concerns.
9. You burn your yard rather than mow it.
10. Your wife has ever said, "Come move this transmission so I can take a bath."
11. You read the Auto Trader with a highlight pen.
12. The Salvation Army declines your mattress.
13. You've ever raked leaves in your kitchen.
14. Birds are attracted to your beard.
15. Your wife's job requires her to wear an orange vest.
16. You were shooting pool when any of your kids were born.
17. You have the local taxidermist's number on speed dial.
18. You've ever hit a deer with your car...deliberately.
19. Your school fight song was "Dueling Banjos".
20. You think a chain saw is a musical instrument.
21. You've ever given rat traps as gifts.
22. You clean your fingernails with a stick.
23. Your coffee table used to be a cable spool.
24. You keep a can of RAID on the kitchen table.
25. Your wife can climb a tree faster than your cat.
26. Your mother has "ammo" on her Christmas list.
27. Every socket in your house breaks a fire code.
28. You've totaled every car you've ever owned.
29. There are more than five McDonald's bags in your car.
30. The Home Shopping operator recognizes your voice.
31. There has ever been crime-scene tape on your bathroom door.
32. You've ever been kicked out of the zoo for heckling the monkeys.
33. The taillight covers of your car are made of red tape.
34. You think a subdivision is part of a math problem.
35. You've ever bathed with flea and tick soap.
36. You think "taking out the trash" means taking your in-laws to a movie.
37. You have every episode of Hee-Haw on tape.
38. You've ever been involved in a custody fight over a hunting dog.
39. Your considered an expert on wormbeds.
40. Your kids take a siphon hose to "Show and Tell."
41. The dog catcher calls for a backup unit when visiting your house.
42. You've ever bought a used cap.
43. Your CB antenna is a danger to low-flying planes.
44. You pick your teeth from a catalog.
45. You've ever financed a tattoo.
46. You've ever stolen toilet paper.
47. You think a hot tub is a stolen bathroom fixture.
48. People hear your car a long time before they see it.
49. The gas pedal on your car is shaped like a bare foot.
50. You prefer car keys to Q-tips.
51. You take a fishing pole into Sea World.
52. You think a turtleneck is key ingredient for soup.
53. You've ever stood in line to have your picture taken with a freak of nature.
54. You think the French Riviera is foreign car.
55. You go to a stock car race and don't need a program.
56. You've ever filled your deer tag on the golf course.
57. you have ever used lard in bed.
58. you own more than 3 shirts with cut off sleeves.
59. you have ever spray-painted your girlfriends name on an overpass.
60. your lifetime goal is to own a fireworks stand.
61. someone asks to see your ID and you show them your belt buckle.
62. The primary color of your car is bondo.
63. directions to your house include "Turn off the paved road."
64. your dog and your wallet are both on a chain.
65. you owe the taxidermist more than your annual income.
66. you ever lost a tooth opening a beer bottle.
67. Jack Daniels makes you list of most admired people.
68. your wife's hairdo has ever been ruined by a ceiling fan.
69. you see no need to stop at a rest stop 'cause you have an empty milk jug.
70. you consider the fifth grade you senior year.
71. you have a rag for a gas cap.
72. the dog can't watch you eat without gagging.
73. you have a hefty bag where the window of your car should be.
74. you have ever bar-b-qued Spam on the grill.
75. your brother-in-law is also your uncle.
76. Redman Chewing Tobacco sends you a Christmas card.
77. you bought a VCR because wrestling comes on while you're at work.
78. your dad walks you to school because you're in the same grade.
79. you view the next family reunion as a chance to meet girls.
80. your wife has a beer belly and you find it attractive.
81. your front porch collapses and kills more than five dogs.
82. the main course at potluck dinners is roadkill.
83. you mow the front yard and find a car.
84. your other truck is made by John Deere.
85. you think suspenders are a type of shirt.
86. going to the bathroom at night involves shoes and a flashlight.
87. you keep a spit cup on the ironing board.
88. you ever got too drunk to fish.
89. More than one living relative is named after a southern civil war general.
90. Your front porch collapses and more than six dogs are killed.
91. You've ever used lard in bed.
92. Your home has more miles on it than your car.
93. You think that potted meat on a saltine is an hors d'ouerve.
94. There is a stuffed posum anywhere in your house.
95. You consider a six-pack and a bug-zapper high-quality entertainment.
96. Fewer than half of your cars run.
97. Your mother doesn't remove the Marlboro from her lips before telling the State Trooper to kiss her ass.
98. The primary color of your car is "bondo".
99. You honestly think that women are turned on by animal noises and seductive tongue gestures.
100. You stand under the misteletoe at christmas and wait for Granny and cousin Bobby-Sue Ellen to walk by.
101. Your family tree doesn't have any branches.
102. Your hairdo has ever been ruined by a ceiling fan.
103. Your mother has been involved in a fistfight at a high school sports event.
104. You've ever barbecued Spam on the grill.
105. The best way to keep things cold is to leave'em in the shade.
106. The neighbors started a petition over your Christmas lights.
107. Your brother-in-law is your uncle.
108. You have refused to watch the Academy Awards since "Smokey and the Bandit" was
109. snubbed for best picture.
110. Your only condiment on the dining room table is the economy size bottle of ketchup.
111. The rear tires on your car are at least twice as wide as the front ones.
112. You consider "Outdoor Life" deep reading.
113. You prominently display a gift you bought at Graceland.
114. You use the term `over yonder' more than once a month.
115. The diploma hanging in your den contains the words "Trucking Institute".
116. Your mother keeps a spit cup on the ironing board.
117. You've ever worn a tube top to a wedding.
118. Your favorite christmas present, was a painting on black velvet.
119. You think that Dom Perignon is a mafia leader.
120. The most commonly heard phrase at your family reunion is "What the hell are you looking at, <deleted>?"
121. You think that beef jerky and Moon Pies are two of the major food groups.
122. You think that Campho-Phenique is a miracle drug.
123. The first words out of your mouth every time you see friends are "Howdy!" "HEY!" or "How Y'all Doin?"
124. You have more than two brothers named Bubba or Junior.
125. Your father encourages you to quit school because Larry has an opening on the lube rack.
126. You think a Volvo is part of a woman's anatomy.
127. You think that the styrofoam cooler is the greatest invention of all time.
128. You've ever been too drunk to fish.
129. You had to remove a toothpick for wedding pictures.
130. You've ever used a weedeater indoors.
131. You have a rag for a gas cap (on a car that does run).
132. You consider a family reunion a good place to pick up girls.
133. You have to go outside to get something out of the 'fridge.
134. Your richest relative invites you over to his new home to help him remove the wheels and skirt.
135. You've ever financed a tattoo.
136. Your idea of a 7 course meal is a bucket of KFC and a sixpack.
137. You go to a tupperware party for a haircut.
138. You have spray painted your girlfriend's name on an overpass.
139. Your Junior/Senior Prom had a Daycare.
140. Your dog and your wallet are both on chains.
141. Your kids are going hungry tonight because you just had to have those Yosemite Sam mudflaps.
142. You owe the taxidermist more than your annual income.
143. You have lost at least one tooth opening a beer bottle.
144. Jack Daniels makes your list of "most admired people".
145. You won't stop at a rest area if you have an empty beer can in the car.
146. Your dog can't watch you eat without gagging.
147. You have a Hefty bag on the passenger side window of your car.
148. You have a very special baseball cap, just for formal occassions.
149. You have to scratch your sisters name out of the message: "for a good time call . .", because you feel guilty about putting it there...
150. Redman sends you a Christmas card.
151. You are still holding on to Confederate money because you think the South will rise again.
152. You consider pork and beans to be a gourmet food. You have to go down to the creek to take a bath.
153. You participate in the "who can spit tobacco the farthest contest".
154. You roll you hair with soup cans and wash it once a year.
155. You consider a three piece suit to be: a pair of overalls, a plaid flannel shirt and thermal underwear.
156. There is a sheet hanging in your closet and a gun rack hanging in your truck.
157. You think the Mountain Men in deliverance were just "Misunderstood".
158. You've ever made change in the offering plate.
159. If the fifth grade is referred to as "your senior year,"
160. You consider a good tan to be the back of of your neck and the left arm below the shirt sleeve...
161. You own at least 20 baseball hats.
162. You know of at least six different ways to bend the bill of a baseball hat.
163. You can change the oil in your truck without ducking your head.
164. When you run out of gas, you put gin in the gas tank!
165. Your biggest ambition in live is to "git thet big'ole coon. The one what hangs 'round over yonder, back'ah bubba's barn..."
166. Three quarters of the clothes you own have LOGOS on them.
167. When you leave your house, you are followed by federal agents of the Beurau of Alcohol Tobbaco and Firearms, and the only thing you worry
     about is if you can loose them or not.
168. You bought a VCR so you could tape wrestling while you are at work.
169. Your dad walks you to school because you are both in the same grade.
170. Your wife has a beer belly and you find it attractive.
171. Your house doesn't have curtains, but your truck does.
172. You have started a petition to change the National Anthem to "Georgia on My Mind".
173. You call your boss "Buddy", on a regular basis.You consider your license plate personalized because your dad made it in prison.
174. You have been fired from a construction job because of your appearance.
175. You need one more hole punched in your card to get a freebie at the House of Tattoos.
176. You need an estimate from your barber before you get a haircut.
177. After making love you ask your date to roll down the window.
178. The biggest fashion risk you take is which plaid you'll wear to the 4-H Fair.
179. You have flowers planted in a bathromm appliance in your front yard.
180. Someone in your family says "Cum'n heer an' lookit this afore I flush it."
181. Your wife weighs more then your refrigerator
182. If going to the bathroom in the middle of the night involves putting on shoes (if you have them) a jacket and grabbing a flashlight.
183. When you see a sign that says "Say No To Crack," it reminds you to pull your jeans up.
184. You go christmas shopping for your mom, sister, and girlfriend, and you only need to buy one gift
185. You are still holding on to Confederate money because you think the South will rise again.
186. You consider pork and beans to be a gourmet food. You have to go down to the creek to take a bath.
187. You participate in the "who can spit tobacco the farthest contest".
188. You roll you hair with soup cans and wash it once a year.
189. You consider a three piece suit to be: a pair of overalls, a plaid flannel shirt and thermal underwear.
190. There is a sheet hanging in your closet and a gun rack hanging in your truck.
191. You can change the oil in your truck without ducking your head.
192. You have 5 cars that are immobile and house that is!
193. You gene pool doesn't have a "deep end"
194. "Honey? Are the lights out? Is the door locked? Is the parking
     brake set?" is what you hear right before you and your wife/girl
     make love.
195. Your `huntin dawg' cost more than the truck you drive him around in.
196. You'd rather catch bass than get some (if you can't guess...)
197. You have a Hefty bag for a Car/Truck convertable top.
198. Your belt buckle weighs more than three pounds.
199. You think that safe sex is a padded headboard on the waterbed.
200. You have an Elvis Jell-o mold.
201. You own more cowboy boots than sneakers.
202. You've been to a funeral and there were more pick-ups than cars.
203. You have a picture of Johnny Cash, Willie Nelson, or Elvis over your fireplace.
204. You just bought an 8-track player to put in your car.
205. There are four or more cars up on blocks in the front yard.
206. The theme song at your high school prom was `Friends in Low Places'
207. It's Easier to spray weed killer on your lawn than mow it.
208. You think that John Deere Green, Ford Blue, and Primer Gray are the three of the primary colors.
209. You've ever climbed a water tower with a bucket of paint to defend your sister's honor.
210. You idea of talking during sex is "Ain't no cars coming, baby!"
211. Your vehicle has a two-tone paint job--primer red and primer gray.
212. The tobacco chewers in your family aren't just men.
213. Yer mom calls ya over t'help, cause she has a flat tire...on her house
214. The ASPCA raids yer kitchen
215. Ya have to check in the bottom yer shoe for change so ya can get grandma a new plug of tobacco
216. Foreplay consists of slipping off her saddle
217. Ya can't get married to yer sweetheart cause there is a law against it.
218. Ya celebrate groundhog day (cause ya believe in it!!)
219. You've been on TV more than 5 times describing the sound of a tornado.
220. You fish in your above-ground pool, especially if you catch something!
221. When a sign that says "Say No To Crack!" reminds you to pull up your jeans.
222. Helping your cousin, Billy-Bob, move into his new place consists of the wheels off his doublewide
223. Your beer can collection is considered a tourist attraction in your home town.
224. You know you're a redneck if you wake up with both a black eye and a hickey.
225. Getting a package from your post office requires a full tank of gas in the truck.
226. "Buck Naked Line Dancing" isn't a videotape, it's "Ladies Night" at the local bar.
227. Your wife wants to stop at the gas station to see if they've got the new Darrell Waltrip Budweiser wall clock.
228. You dated your daddy's current wife in high school.
229. You're moved to tears everytime you hear Dolly Parton singing "I Will Always Love You".
230. You've ever parked a Camero in a tree.
231. Exxon and Conoco have offered you royalties for your hair.
232. Your dad is also your favorite uncle.
233. The most serious loss from the earthquake was your Conway Twitty record collection (you insurance man is one too if he pays you for it).
234. You actually made a pyramid of cans in the pale moonlight with Alan Jackson.
235. You have spent more on your pickup truck than on your education.
236. You've ever hit a deer with your car..on purpose! "
237. You can tell your age by the number of rings in the bathtub.
238. Your mom gives you tips on how to sneak booze into sporting events.
239. The blue book value of your truck goes up and down depending on how much gas it has in it.
240. Your classes at school were cancelled because the path to the restroom was flooded.
241. On your job application under "SEX" you put "As often as possible".
242. During your senior year you and your mother had homeroom together.
243. You're a lite beer drinker, because you start drinking when it gets light.
244. On your first date you had to ask your Dad to borrow the keys to the tractor.
245. Your parakeet knows the phrase "Open up, Police!".
246. You saved lots of money on your honeymoon by going deerhunting.
247. In tough situations you ask yourself, "What would Curly do?".
248. Taking your wife on a cruise means circling the Dairy Queen.
249. You think the last words to the Star Spangled Banner are "Gentlemen, start your engines." or "Play Ball..."
250. Your child's first words are "Attention K-Mart shoppers!".
251. Your wife's best pair of shoes are steel-toed Red Wings.
252. You have a color coordinating rope that ties down your car hood.
253. You bring your dog to work with you.
254. You replace a flat tire on your truck with a tire from your house.
255. You've ever put a six-pack in a casket right before they closed it
256. Your family's No. 1 enemy is revenuers.
257. Your belt buckle doubles as a serving platter.
258. You use lava soap more than three times a day.
259. You wear cowboy boots with Bermuda shorts.
260. You have a hook in your shower to hang your hat on.
261. You buy your wife tube socks at the flea market.
262. You consider orange peels left on the coffee table as potpourri.
263. You grow flowers in an old commode in your front yard.
264. You can't take a bath because beer is iced down in your tub.
265. Your kitchen doubles as a bait store.
266. You've ever picked up a woman in a convenience store.
267. You throw a beer can out the truck window and your wife shoots it.
268. You've ever fed your date french fries in a Denny's.
269. Going to the laundromat means cleaning out the back of the truck.
270. Your family reunion features a chewing tobacco spit-off.
271. Your front porch collapses and more than six dogs are killed.
272. You think that potted meat on a saltine is an hors d'ouerve.
273. You stand under the mistletoe at christmas and wait for Granny and cousin Sue-Ellen to walk by.
274. You've ever barbecued Spam on the grill.
275. The best way to keep things cold is to leave'em in the shade.
276. The neighbors started a petition over your Christmas lights.
277. You prominently display a gift you bought at Graceland.
278. The diploma hanging in your den contains the words "Trucking Institute".
279. Your favorite Christmas present, was a painting on black velvet.
280. You had to remove a toothpick for wedding pictures.
281. You've ever used a weedeater indoors.
282. You look upon a family reunion as a chance to meet `Ms. Right'
283. You have to go outside to get something out of the 'fridge.
284. You have a very special baseball cap, just for formal occassions.
285. You consider pork and beans to be a gourmet food.
286. You have to go down to the creek to take a bath.
287. You participate in the "who can spit tobacco the farthest contest".
288. You roll you hair with soup cans and wash it once a year.
289. You have a picture of Johnny Cash, Willie Nelson, or Elvis over your fireplace.
290. You just bought an 8-track player to put in your car.
291. The theme song at your high school prom was `Friends in Low Places'
292. It's Easier to spray weed killer on your lawn than mow it.
293. You think that John Deere Green, Ford Blue, and Primer Gray are the three of the primary colors.
294. You idea of talking during sex is "Ain't no cars coming, baby!"
295. Your vehicle has a two-tone paint job--primer red and primer gray.
296. Foreplay consists of slipping off her saddle
297. Ya can't get married to yer sweetheart cause there is a law against it.
298. Ya celebrate groundhog day (cause ya believe in it!!)
299. You fish in your above-ground pool, especially if you catch something!
300. You come home from the garbage dump with more than you went with.

Ya'll Come Back Now, Ya hear?

10 Facts That Prove The Bin Laden Fable Is a Contrived Hoax

http://www.prisonplanet.com/10-facts-that-prove-the-bin-laden-fable-is-a-contrived-hoax.html

10 Facts That Prove The Bin Laden Fable Is a Contrived Hoax

http://www.prisonpla...rived-hoax.html

Interesting but not many "facts". My favorite is "First the compound was described as a “$1 million dollar mansion” then it turned out to be a rubbish-strewn dilapidated compound that was worth less than a quarter of that" followed later by, "prompted concerns that the US Navy SEALS sent in could have targeted a “prince from Dubai” or some other individual that was not Bin Laden.". A prince from Dubai wouldn't be living in such a dump - and that's a fact.

10 Facts That Prove The Bin Laden Fable Is a Contrived Hoax

http://www.prisonpla...rived-hoax.html

Interesting but not many "facts". My favorite is "First the compound was described as a "$1 million dollar mansion" then it turned out to be a rubbish-strewn dilapidated compound that was worth less than a quarter of that" followed later by, "prompted concerns that the US Navy SEALS sent in could have targeted a "prince from Dubai" or some other individual that was not Bin Laden.". A prince from Dubai wouldn't be living in such a dump - and that's a fact.

I have no doubt that you are right; It is a fact that no Dubai prince would live in a rubbish-strewn dilapidated compound.

You do not make an argument against the message of the article though, since the actual state of the compound is not proven by a quote on 60 Minutes that also had the additonal qualification "or some other individual that was not Bin Laden".

There is some compelling information in the article.

10 Facts That Prove The Bin Laden Fable Is a Contrived Hoax

http://www.prisonpla...rived-hoax.html

Interesting but not many "facts". My favorite is "First the compound was described as a "$1 million dollar mansion" then it turned out to be a rubbish-strewn dilapidated compound that was worth less than a quarter of that" followed later by, "prompted concerns that the US Navy SEALS sent in could have targeted a "prince from Dubai" or some other individual that was not Bin Laden.". A prince from Dubai wouldn't be living in such a dump - and that's a fact.

I have no doubt that you are right; It is a fact that no Dubai prince would live in a rubbish-strewn dilapidated compound.

You do not make an argument against the message of the article though, since the actual state of the compound is not proved by a quote on 60 Minutes that also had the additional qualification "or some other individual that was not Bin Laden".

There is some compelling information in the article.

I've posted several times that something isn't right with the story and that I hope we really captured UBL and that all we have been told is simply disinformation in a time of war. That said, the article really doesn't use actual facts to support its case.

I'll cover each of their points briefly because I really don't want to spend that much time on it...

1) The "fact" they used here is that other experts have long said he is dead. Those were opinions, not facts.

2) The White House struggled to keep its story straight. That may be a fact but it doesn't prove that bin Laden wasn't there. It might be part of a disinformation campaign - or plain incompetence.

3) The WH said they buried him at sea in accordance with Muslim burial rituals but they have scholars who dispute it. That doesn't prove they didn't dump him in the sea anyway.

4) Situation room photo - The video was turned off during the raid so the Prez could not have been watching it! That doesn't prove bin Laden wasn't there. They go on to say the photo was a staged photo opp. But they are politicians - would they really do that? duh.

5) I don't know if that SITE is a US-funded site or not. If it is, it sounds like more disinformation.

6) ALMOST every single neighbor has said they never saw bin Laden there. Well, as the WH story goes, he never left his room. I'm more interested in the article's use of "almost every". That means at least one neighbor claimed to have seen him there. I want to know more about this guy.

7) I'm not sure of what "facts" are used here. Some people just say it doesn't look like bin Laden to them.

8) These guys can't claim that it has been "erroneously asserted" that intel from Gitmo interrogations led to UBL's capture. They don't know. They say - as I do - that they didn't bother capturing this guy despite all the valuable intel he knows. That's an opinion, not a fact and again, could be part of a disinformation campaing.

9) Past fabrications or media lies by the military (Jessica Lynch and Pat Tillman) show a history of BS but it doesn't mean that this one isn't true. In a court of law, a person can't be guilty of committing a crime simply because he has committed crime before.

10) So politicians used the bin Laden story to gain political points. Yeah, so what? That's what they do with any good news. That doesn't mean the whole bin Laden story is a fable.

I've posted several times that something isn't right with the story and that I hope we really captured UBL and that all we have been told is simply disinformation in a time of war. That said, the article really doesn't use actual facts to support its case.

I'll cover each of their points briefly because I really don't want to spend that much time on it...

1) The "fact" they used here is that other experts have long said he is dead. Those were opinions, not facts.

2) The White House struggled to keep its story straight. That may be a fact but it doesn't prove that bin Laden wasn't there. It might be part of a disinformation campaign - or plain incompetence.

3) The WH said they buried him at sea in accordance with Muslim burial rituals but they have scholars who dispute it. That doesn't prove they didn't dump him in the sea anyway.

4) Situation room photo - The video was turned off during the raid so the Prez could not have been watching it! That doesn't prove bin Laden wasn't there. They go on to say the photo was a staged photo opp. But they are politicians - would they really do that? duh.

5) I don't know if that SITE is a US-funded site or not. If it is, it sounds like more disinformation.

6) ALMOST every single neighbor has said they never saw bin Laden there. Well, as the WH story goes, he never left his room. I'm more interested in the article's use of "almost every". That means at least one neighbor claimed to have seen him there. I want to know more about this guy.

7) I'm not sure of what "facts" are used here. Some people just say it doesn't look like bin Laden to them.

8) These guys can't claim that it has been "erroneously asserted" that intel from Gitmo interrogations led to UBL's capture. They don't know. They say - as I do - that they didn't bother capturing this guy despite all the valuable intel he knows. That's an opinion, not a fact and again, could be part of a disinformation campaing.

9) Past fabrications or media lies by the military (Jessica Lynch and Pat Tillman) show a history of BS but it doesn't mean that this one isn't true. In a court of law, a person can't be guilty of committing a crime simply because he has committed crime before.

10) So politicians used the bin Laden story to gain political points. Yeah, so what? That's what they do with any good news. That doesn't mean the whole bin Laden story is a fable.

Good post, Koheesti. I think we can safely say Osama Bin Laden is now well and truly deceased.

The main problem coming out of the White House is the obvious incompetence in the handling of the aftermath of the incident. They continually shot themselves in their collective feet with poorly thought out explanations and even more confusing explanations of the explanations. It seems to be a clown world in there at the present time.

Who pays any attention to this prison planet nonsense anyway?

Good post, Koheesti. I think we can safely say Osama Bin Laden is now well and truly deceased.

The main problem coming out of the White House is the obvious incompetence in the handling of the aftermath of the incident. They continually shot themselves in their collective feet with poorly thought out explanations and even more confusing explanations of the explanations. It seems to be a clown world in there at the present time.

Who pays any attention to this prison planet nonsense anyway?

I believe I could jump on the Alex Jones bandwagon if he wasn't such a blind flag-waver. This dogmatic cultural-centric exceptionalism tends to sour any such truth that he puts forward.

It probably doesn't matter very much whether or not Osama is dead (personally, I believe he is). Al Qaeda is slipping off into the mists of history. That's not to say they won't commit a few more outrages, but they will gradually fade away.

What is reality now is the uprising of the Muslim people across the Middle East, the gradual disappearance of the various dictatorships, and then what? That's much more interesting than Obama bin Laden... sorry, typo!

It probably doesn't matter very much whether or not Osama is dead (personally, I believe he is). Al Qaeda is slipping off into the mists of history. That's not to say they won't commit a few more outrages, but they will gradually fade away.

What is reality now is the uprising of the Muslim people across the Middle East, the gradual disappearance of the various dictatorships, and then what? That's much more interesting than Obama bin Laden... sorry, typo!

I hope the Muslim people open their eyes and realise that [massive] peaceful protest has accomplished more for them in a matter of months than all that al Qaeda and other terror organizations have over decades.