Can't see 'Jin haw ' on the list either. but <deleted> does this have to do with the original topic . ....

I guess Sunny has got me on 'Ignore' . Jin, Geen . I highly suspects it mean's 'Chinese Haw' tribe .

Can't see 'Jin haw ' on the list either. but <deleted> does this have to do with the original topic . ....

Usual <deleted> taking over. Mr. S. Tics

Can't see 'Jin haw ' on the list either. but <deleted> does this have to do with the original topic . ....

Usual <deleted> taking over. Mr. S. Tics

Not exactly the 'usual <deleted> taking over' David. The topic is about an Akha child and we are discussing hill-tribes and ethnic groups, it's not as though we're debating The Spanish Civil War and posting youtube videos of Basil Fawlty hitting Manuel!

Like most of the foreigners (and many Thai's) who live here I only know a bit (very little!) about hill-tribes and their history but I did know there is nowhere near 90 tribes like SHS1 claimed so did a bit of research and I'm glad I did, it's been very interesting reading.

For example the Jin Haw that SHS1 and Jubby mentioned aren't actually a Hill-Tribe, they are members of the anti-communist KMT 93rd Division and their descendants who refused to surrender at the end of the Chinese Civil War and ended up in Santikhiri (Doi Mae Salong) and surrounding area. The rest of the KMT made their way to Taiwan which is why most donations to the Jin Haw comes from Taiwan.

So, after only about 30mins reading over the last few days, I now know a lot more than I did thanks to SHS1. He is obviously interested in the area and I've enjoyed discussing the 'usual <deleted>' with him.

Could be she might consider herself a bit old to be referred to as a "girl"...

I wouldn't worry about her feeling that, she seems from the website to be a person who has really done her best for a group of kids. The websitw is impressive and I would like to visit there sometime to see if I can revise my dislike of NGOs.

Agreed, the website is impressive, if you arrange a visit I'd like to tag along if you don't mind.

That was below the Belt SBS !

I guess they were here before the KMT so I'd class them as 'Hill Tribe' but what does it really matter. Interesting conversation either way .

I just remember seeing the Haw mosque on the road to Mae Salong .

Wikipedia also mentions our own Joel Barlow

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chin_Haw

Could be she might consider herself a bit old to be referred to as a "girl"...

I wouldn't worry about her feeling that, she seems from the website to be a person who has really done her best for a group of kids. The websitw is impressive and I would like to visit there sometime to see if I can revise my dislike of NGOs.

Agreed, the website is impressive, if you arrange a visit I'd like to tag along if you don't mind.

She would welcome visits or volunteers to teach a little english or whatever. I have been several times and from what i have seen it is a great organization and does a lot of good for some kids that need help. Take a few small gifts for the kids and watch their faces light up with big smiles and it will make your day. http://ayui.org/

I guess they were here before the KMT so I'd class them as 'Hill Tribe' but what does it really matter. Interesting conversation either way .

I just remember seeing the Haw mosque on the road to Mae Salong .

Wikipedia also mentions our own Joel Barlow

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chin_Haw

I guess you are right Jubby as the original Chin-Haw would be classed as a Hill-Tribe, seems they were Chinese Muslims who arrived in the 19th century and probably built the mosque but the majority of the current inhabitants of Doi Mae Salong, Doi Wawee etc are descendants of the KMT soldiers so not Hill-Tribe folk.

But you are right, it doesn't really matter and it is interesting, some more reading for anyone who thinks the same.

http://www.cpamedia.com/culture/golden_triangle_traders/

http://taiwanreview.nat.gov.tw/ct.asp?xitem=130385&ctnode=1672&mp=1

http://www.doi-mae-salong.com/information/history

ps...er, how can I keep this on-topic? While I was at Tops/Central yesterday I saw an Akha lady near the fruit/veg section. It was just after this that I saw the Waitrose British Pork Sausages for 199baht instead of 299baht. I know you like a sausage so hope this info makes up for the low-blow

The ChiangMai Chronicles make it quite clear that Jeen Haw have been around here for hundreds of years -

and quite possibly longer than that.