2012 Honda Cbr 600F

[thaicbr]

Actually most of the Yamaha big bikes you can buy in Thailand today are manufactured in India... Big Bike is big bussiness in India....

really.. which ones?

1000cc models

which ones?

ahhh found it myself....

http://www.yamaha-motor-india.com/about/profile/index.html

although not 100% sure if the product portfolio is manufactured as under the manufacturing sub menu it only states the smaller bikes and mentions 10 models.

Edited January 20, 2012 by thaicbr

[Richard-BKK]

Actually most of the Yamaha big bikes you can buy in Thailand today are manufactured in India... Big Bike is big bussiness in India....

really.. which ones?

1000cc models

which ones?

You spamming this forum thread, but how many 1000cc class motorcycles they sale in Thailand smarty?

Edited January 20, 2012 by Richard-BKK

[Richard-BKK]

About India Yamaha Motor Pvt. Ltd.

Yamaha made its initial foray into India in 1985. Subsequently, it entered into a 50:50 joint-venture with the Escorts Group in 1996. However, in August 2001, Yamaha acquired its remaining stake becoming a 100% subsidiary of Yamaha Motor Co., Ltd, Japan (YMC). In 2008, Mitsui & Co., Ltd. entered into an agreement with YMC to become a joint-investor in the motorcycle manufacturing company "India Yamaha Motor Private Limited (IYM)".

IYM operates from its state-of-the-art manufacturing units at Surajpur in Uttar Pradesh and Faridabad in Haryana and produces motorcycles for both domestic and export markets. With a strong workforce of more than 2,000 employees, IYM is highly customer-driven and has a countrywide network of over 400 dealers. Presently, its product portfolio includes VMAX (1,679cc), MT01 (1,670cc), YZF-R1 (998cc), FZ1(998cc), YZF-R15 version 2.0 (150cc), Fazer (153cc), FZ-S (153cc), FZ16 (153cc), SZ-R(153cc), SZ & SZ-X (153cc), SS125 (123cc), YBR 125 (123cc), YBR 110 (106cc) and Crux (106cc).

Source: http://www.yamaha-motor-india.com/about/profile/index.html

Edited January 20, 2012 by Richard-BKK

[thaicbr]

About India Yamaha Motor Pvt. Ltd.

Yamaha made its initial foray into India in 1985. Subsequently, it entered into a 50:50 joint-venture with the Escorts Group in 1996. However, in August 2001, Yamaha acquired its remaining stake becoming a 100% subsidiary of Yamaha Motor Co., Ltd, Japan (YMC). In 2008, Mitsui & Co., Ltd. entered into an agreement with YMC to become a joint-investor in the motorcycle manufacturing company "India Yamaha Motor Private Limited (IYM)".

IYM operates from its state-of-the-art manufacturing units at Surajpur in Uttar Pradesh and Faridabad in Haryana and produces motorcycles for both domestic and export markets. With a strong workforce of more than 2,000 employees, IYM is highly customer-driven and has a countrywide network of over 400 dealers. Presently, its product portfolio includes VMAX (1,679cc), MT01 (1,670cc), YZF-R1 (998cc), FZ1(998cc), YZF-R15 version 2.0 (150cc), Fazer (153cc), FZ-S (153cc), FZ16 (153cc), SZ-R(153cc), SZ & SZ-X (153cc), SS125 (123cc), YBR 125 (123cc), YBR 110 (106cc) and Crux (106cc).

Source: http://www.yamaha-mo...file/index.html

Thats what i said.. it does not say it manufactures them.

IYM's Manufacturing facilities comprises of 2 state-of-the-art Plants at - Faridabad (Haryana) and Surajpur (Uttar Pradesh). Currently 10 models roll out of the two Yamaha Plants.

The infrastructure at both the plants supports production of motorcycles and it's parts for the domestic as well as oversees market. At the core are the 5-S and TPM activities that fuel our agile Manufacturing Processes. We have In-house facility for Machining, Welding processes as well as finishing processes of Electroplating and Painting till the assembly line.

The stringent Quality Assurance norms ensure that our motorcycles meet the reputed International standards of excellence in every sphere.

As an Environmentally sensitive organization we have the concept of "Environment-friendly technology" ingrained in our Corporate Philosophy. The Company boasts of effluent Treatment plant, Rain water - Harvesting mechanism, a motivated forestation drive. The IS0-14001 certification is on the anvil - early next year. All our endeavors give us reason to believe that sustainable development for Yamaha will not remain merely an idea in pipeline.

We believe in taking care of not only Your Motoring Needs but also the needs of Future Generations to come..

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http://www.yamaha-mo...duct/index.html

15 models on this page.. of which 4 are the big 1000cc+ ones.. see what i mean now..smarty pants..

http://www.yamaha-motor-india.com/CBU/MT01-default.html

ALSO EVEN YAMAHA INDIA'S WEBSITE STATES CBU..

ALSO STATES HERE..http://www.infibeam.com/bikes/make/yamaha.html

Any way sorry to the cbr600 folows.. hopefully it is coming soon.. but like most things in Thailand wait and see.. I would hope that the BKK bike show at the beginning of February would have some details.

Edited January 20, 2012 by thaicbr

[Richard-BKK]

What you not understand of "IYM operates from its state-of-the-art manufacturing units at Surajpur in Uttar Pradesh and Faridabad in Haryana and produces motorcycles for both domestic and export markets. With a strong workforce of more than 2,000 employees, IYM is highly customer-driven and has a countrywide network of over 400 dealers. Presently, its product portfolio includes VMAX (1,679cc), MT01 (1,670cc), YZF-R1 (998cc), FZ1(998cc), YZF-R15 version 2.0 (150cc), Fazer (153cc), FZ-S (153cc), FZ16 (153cc), SZ-R(153cc), SZ & SZ-X (153cc), SS125 (123cc), YBR 125 (123cc), YBR 110 (106cc) and Crux (106cc)."

For the less educated people IYM - India Yamaha Motor, which is a 100% owned company of Yamaha Japan.

Edited January 20, 2012 by Richard-BKK

[thaicbr]

What you not understand of "IYM operates from its state-of-the-art manufacturing units at Surajpur in Uttar Pradesh and Faridabad in Haryana and produces motorcycles for both domestic and export markets. With a strong workforce of more than 2,000 employees, IYM is highly customer-driven and has a countrywide network of over 400 dealers. Presently, its product portfolio includes VMAX (1,679cc), MT01 (1,670cc), YZF-R1 (998cc), FZ1(998cc), YZF-R15 version 2.0 (150cc), Fazer (153cc), FZ-S (153cc), FZ16 (153cc), SZ-R(153cc), SZ & SZ-X (153cc), SS125 (123cc), YBR 125 (123cc), YBR 110 (106cc) and Crux (106cc)."

For the less educated people IYM - India Yamaha Motor, which is a 100% owned company of Yamaha Japan.

YM's Manufacturing facilities comprises of 2 state-of-the-art Plants at - Faridabad (Haryana) and Surajpur (Uttar Pradesh). Currently 10 models roll out of the two Yamaha Plants.

Thats 5 short of the total bikes sold by Yamaha in India.

stop getting into a pissing match and provide details.. i have provided links from Yamaha india showing that the big bikes are CBU..(imported completely built up) you prove otherwise...if you can..

This is always your problem Richard you say things off the cuff but can NEVER provide proof..

ps i also just noticed that your claiming the VTR250 engine is produced in Thailand.. really?

Edited January 20, 2012 by thaicbr

[nikster]

Here's a suggestion: Let's rename this thread to "Anything but the Honda CBR600F"

[karlos]

First the first version of the Honda PGM-FI (Fuel-Injection system) was not capable to handle combustion chambers larger than 125cc, it toke Honda 4 year, and 3 generations of the PGM-FI (Honda fuel-injection system to develop a system that is capable to handle bigger small engines... Basically Honda found in 4 years a way to lower the production cost of the fuel-injection system technology used in big bike engines.

I'm sorry to add to the arguments going on here... BUT PGM-FI was in production on Hondas CBR929RR way back in the year 2000, then further being updated for the CBR954RR in 2002 and 2004 for the first 1000cc Fireblade

[dave_boo]

First the first version of the Honda PGM-FI (Fuel-Injection system) was not capable to handle combustion chambers larger than 125cc, it toke Honda 4 year, and 3 generations of the PGM-FI (Honda fuel-injection system to develop a system that is capable to handle bigger small engines... Basically Honda found in 4 years a way to lower the production cost of the fuel-injection system technology used in big bike engines.

I'm sorry to add to the arguments going on here... BUT PGM-FI was in production on Hondas CBR929RR way back in the year 2000, then further being updated for the CBR954RR in 2002 and 2004 for the first 1000cc Fireblade

Even before then; the RC45 (used in the RVF750) had it way back in 1994.

I'm sure that Richardbkk did stumble across a truth though; I suppose in the last 4 years it has become cheaper for Honda to produce their PGM-FI; but for a single cylinder 250cc I find it hard to believe that the system is any more costly than it would be for the scooters. Perhaps it has a higher speed processor for tighter tolerances to allow the engine to be more 'green'?

[dave_boo]

Any way sorry to the cbr600 folows.. hopefully it is coming soon.. but like most things in Thailand wait and see.. I would hope that the BKK bike show at the beginning of February would have some details.

Sorry to cut your big post off, but do check out what Honda has during the BKK bike show and report back. I need to get a new bike and even though the Tiger Bomber would be great for the morning coffee runs, the new ER-6* are available now , but I would prefer to get back on a Honda. A reasonably priced Honda 6*0 would be good, but I'm leaning more towards the rumoured 400.

[JonnyF]

Here's a suggestion: Let's rename this thread to "Anything but the Honda CBR600F"

Good idea. Things tend to get very pedantic when a certain poster has some spare time.

Drove past the BigWing showroom today, my guess is it could be open in a couple of months if they commit to it. The problem will be the quality of the bikes on the floor not the quality of the showroom (unless they give us some good news in the next few weeks).

[karlos]

First the first version of the Honda PGM-FI (Fuel-Injection system) was not capable to handle combustion chambers larger than 125cc, it toke Honda 4 year, and 3 generations of the PGM-FI (Honda fuel-injection system to develop a system that is capable to handle bigger small engines... Basically Honda found in 4 years a way to lower the production cost of the fuel-injection system technology used in big bike engines.

I'm sorry to add to the arguments going on here... BUT PGM-FI was in production on Hondas CBR929RR way back in the year 2000, then further being updated for the CBR954RR in 2002 and 2004 for the first 1000cc Fireblade

Even before then; the RC45 (used in the RVF750) had it way back in 1994.

I'm sure that Richardbkk did stumble across a truth though; I suppose in the last 4 years it has become cheaper for Honda to produce their PGM-FI; but for a single cylinder 250cc I find it hard to believe that the system is any more costly than it would be for the scooters. Perhaps it has a higher speed processor for tighter tolerances to allow the engine to be more 'green'?

True, how could i have over looked that. Thinking of the RC45 also made me think of the NR750 (mmmmmmm) that bikes was light years ahead of the rest of the market in terms of engineering that might possibly of also had some form of what is now known as Honda's PGM-FI

Just looked into it and when the road versions were produced in 1992 they rolled of the production line with Honda's PGM-Fi system

Edited January 21, 2012 by karlos

[hehehoho]

^ And can you take them into selected Honda dealers and have new maps installed for a few $?

[soihok]

OK, while we are off topic, check this song out by Gary Numan.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qXEu1odjKZM

[KRS1]

LOL...Thats the jam !

Edited January 21, 2012 by KRS1

[Kernow86]

So what's the deal. Is this Honda really a possibility?

[blackpanda]

[blackpanda]

So what's the deal. Is this Honda really a possibility?

It is possible that the CBR600F comes to Thailand. We will just have to wait and see in April to see what models are released.

[hehehoho]

With AP Honda only just beginning (supposedly) to release big bikes that will be produced here, I doubt they're suddenly going to import big bikes before testing the waters with Thai produced ones.

[blackpanda]

If the bikes are made in Thailand the the prices should be reasonable. If imported into Thailand then the prices would be up the roof with the import taxes. Then most people living in Thailand would just stick to their 110-125cc (practical) scooters. We will just have to wait and see what happens. Here is a link to an APHonda website i found

http://www.aphonda.co.th/bigbike/product.asp

[taichiplanet]

If the bikes are made in Thailand the the prices should be reasonable. If imported into Thailand then the prices would be up the roof with the import taxes. Then most people living in Thailand would just stick to their 110-125cc (practical) scooters. We will just have to wait and see what happens. Here is a link to an APHonda website i found

http://www.aphonda.c...ike/product.asp

that page has been saying 'Coming soon' for at least 2 years now!

[thaicbr]

or another way they might be doing it.. by having a large amount of Thai sourced parts..

worked for Kia on the Picanto car.. it's made in Korea BUT is still eligible for the new buyers tax discount because it has a large number of Thai parts.

[KRS1]

Anyone remember which countries have a free trade agreement with Thailand right now?

[BigBikeBKK]

You guys are dreaming if you think Honda's going to manufacture anything more complex than singles or twins in Thailand this decade...

[wantan]

OK, while we are off topic, check this song out by Gary Numan.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qXEu1odjKZM

Great song! I miss my cars when hearing it.

[thaicbr]

You guys are dreaming if you think Honda's going to manufacture anything more complex than singles or twins in Thailand this decade...

ok then. maybe we will get the nc700 that's a twin.

I like dreaming makes the day go faster

[nikster]

You guys are dreaming if you think Honda's going to manufacture anything more complex than singles or twins in Thailand this decade...

ok then. maybe we will get the nc700 that's a twin.

A birdie has whispered me that the NC700X is coming... well to be precise it whispered a 700cc Versys-like-bike made by Honda. Coming this year, made in Thailand, cheaper than the Versys. NC700X would fit that perfectly. It's brand new so starting up production in Thailand has no penalty vs. anywhere else...

Haven't heard anything about the CBR600F so I think if it's coming it will be an import. Just a guess.

[BigBikeBKK]

You guys are dreaming if you think Honda's going to manufacture anything more complex than singles or twins in Thailand this decade...

ok then. maybe we will get the nc700 that's a twin.

A birdie has whispered me that the NC700X is coming... well to be precise it whispered a 700cc Versys-like-bike made by Honda. Coming this year, made in Thailand, cheaper than the Versys. NC700X would fit that perfectly. It's brand new so starting up production in Thailand has no penalty vs. anywhere else...

Haven't heard anything about the CBR600F so I think if it's coming it will be an import. Just a guess.

It better be cheaper than the Versys- it's down some 20 Hp from the Kwacker, innit?

Strip it down and you discover it's not a motorcycle. It's a maxi-scooter dressed up to look like a motorcycle:

IF Honda sells it cheap I'm sure it will sell well as an easy to ride commuter bike.

One of the reasons the Honda DN-01 flopped so badly was the exhorbitant price tag... (And the fact it was butt ugly and boring as hell to ride...)

Hopefully Honda learned from that disaster and will do better with this new scooter-bike.

[kpmsprtd]

The Honda NC700X is a whole new breed of motorcycle. Talk about a car company that happens to make motorcycles. For myself, I know jack squat. See what Kevin Ash has to say about it.

[kpmsprtd]

Also, where is the Honda Jazz car engine manufactured? อยุธยา / Ayutthaya? Cut a Jazz engine in half, and that's your NC700X engine.