January 21, 201214 yr If this is so [according to some], than what prevents humans, as an individual or collective, from incorporating themselves?
January 21, 201214 yr Incorporating oneself makes one a virtual person under the law, which allows one to own property and take legal actions. Human beings are considered persons already. They are already corporated. SC
January 21, 201214 yr Human beings are persons can act and sign contracts under their names. You need to incorporate companies to make them persons before the law, i.e. juristic persons. It's not that human being are corporations but rather that companies can act like persons and sign contract and be held liable if they are incorporated, i.e. become a person before the law. And if you quote me on this, I will deny everything, as I am not a lawyer.
January 21, 201214 yr I once met a nice lady who could have been a corporation. She wasn't free, but she had reduced rates on Tuesdays and Thursdays.
January 21, 201214 yr You are as free as you want to be....despite Zzaa's insinuation. Food and shelter eh pal?
January 22, 201214 yr Free..?? Are you? "I'm free!" Mr Humphries... SC Ah thanks. Google and YouTube helped me understand this.
January 22, 201214 yr Free..?? Are you? "I'm free!" Mr Humphries... SC Ah thanks. Google and YouTube helped me understand this. Lucky you had your computer and the internet with you when you read it... Unfortunately, that wasn't enough for me with the Original Post. I still have no idea what he is talking about. I've found more debate on whether Corporations are People, though... I had a couple of corporations once, but I had them put down. It was more difficult than bringing them into existence; although in fact I did not do that, now I come to think of it; I bought them from a friend. I say "I" - actually, me and another bloke. YOu can't bring a corporation into being on your own. Anyway, as people, these two corporations seemed somewhat shallow and transient. I think I had a grand-corporation in Australia, though only for a few months, and I am not entirely sure what happened to it... I don't think any of the subsequent posters have managed to address the OP's question... Interestingly, my very limited understanding of tax law makes me believe that corporations do not pay tax (income tax); they only pay Advance Corporation Tax, which is tax on the earnings of the shareholders before they are distributed to the shareholders; and corporations collect various other taxes such as excise and VAT on behalf of the government. SC
January 22, 201214 yr The only corporation which is human is the one which comes from persistent beer drinking. Not free, though.
January 22, 201214 yr Interestingly, my very limited understanding of tax law makes me believe that corporations do not pay tax (income tax); they only pay Advance Corporation Tax, which is tax on the earnings of the shareholders before they are distributed to the shareholders; and corporations collect various other taxes such as excise and VAT on behalf of the government. SC This is really getting off-topic now, but corporations do pay corporate income tax.
January 22, 201214 yr Humans are not corporations as corporations enjoy limited liability which humans do not (unless adjudged to be incapacitated in some way). More interesting is that in some ways corporations have now become humans. Not just as "juristic persons" but as actual humans. A recent US Supreme Court decision held that this was so, in allowing for unlimited political campaign contributions from corporate bodies and calling it "protected speech". Ironically, real humans may not make unlimited campaign contributions as it is against US federal election laws. That's a good thing, but this recent Supreme Court decision surely is not. Generally it requires an amendment to the constitution to overrule US Supreme Court dictates and My fear is the damage will be done long before that ever might happen.
January 22, 201214 yr Humans are not corporations as corporations enjoy limited liability which humans do not (unless adjudged to be incapacitated in some way). More interesting is that in some ways corporations have now become humans. Not just as "juristic persons" but as actual humans. A recent US Supreme Court decision held that this was so, in allowing for unlimited political campaign contributions from corporate bodies and calling it "protected speech". Ironically, real humans may not make unlimited campaign contributions as it is against US federal election laws. That's a good thing, but this recent Supreme Court decision surely is not. Generally it requires an amendment to the constitution to overrule US Supreme Court dictates and My fear is the damage will be done long before that ever might happen. Corporations do not enjoy limited liability; their shareholders do. Corporations can be liable without limitation, and in meeting their liabilities, they can be wound up - a greater consequence than bankruptcy which allows you and I to start again, though the effect is perhaps similar since the shareholders can bring into being another similar corporation - I'm not sure if the directors would be disqualified... SC
January 22, 201214 yr Humans are not corporations as corporations enjoy limited liability which humans do not (unless adjudged to be incapacitated in some way). More interesting is that in some ways corporations have now become humans. Not just as "juristic persons" but as actual humans. A recent US Supreme Court decision held that this was so, in allowing for unlimited political campaign contributions from corporate bodies and calling it "protected speech". Ironically, real humans may not make unlimited campaign contributions as it is against US federal election laws. That's a good thing, but this recent Supreme Court decision surely is not. Generally it requires an amendment to the constitution to overrule US Supreme Court dictates and My fear is the damage will be done long before that ever might happen. Corporations do not enjoy limited liability; their shareholders do. Corporations can be liable without limitation, and in meeting their liabilities, they can be wound up - a greater consequence than bankruptcy which allows you and I to start again, though the effect is perhaps similar since the shareholders can bring into being another similar corporation - I'm not sure if the directors would be disqualified... SC I think it's a semantical thing. Or maybe a "which came first, the chicken or the egg" thing. An important (but not universal) contemporary feature of a corporation is limited liability. If a corporation fails, shareholders may lose their investments, and employees may lose their jobs, but neither will be liable for debts to the corporation's creditors. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Corporation
January 22, 201214 yr Humans are not corporations as corporations enjoy limited liability which humans do not (unless adjudged to be incapacitated in some way). ... Corporations do not enjoy limited liability; their shareholders do. Corporations can be liable without limitation, and in meeting their liabilities, they can be wound up - a greater consequence than bankruptcy which allows you and I to start again, though the effect is perhaps similar since the shareholders can bring into being another similar corporation - I'm not sure if the directors would be disqualified... SC I think it's a semantical thing. Or maybe a "which came first, the chicken or the egg" thing. An important (but not universal) contemporary feature of a corporation is limited liability. If a corporation fails, shareholders may lose their investments, and employees may lose their jobs, but neither will be liable for debts to the corporation's creditors. http://en.wikipedia....iki/Corporation But the point is that corporation may go under, but we who invest in it cannot lose more than 100% of our shares in the corporation; unlike a partnership, where the partners are generally jointly and severally liable for the debts of the partnership and if the partnership goes under, they must fund those liabilities from their personal pockets. SC
January 24, 201214 yr Author You are as free as you want to be....despite Zzaa's insinuation. Food and shelter eh pal? Yet, most are dependent on them.
January 28, 201214 yr I was born at home and never had a birth certificate. When I tried to apply for a passport, I couldn't do so because of no birth certificate. I had to apply for a delayed certificate, which was a long, convoluted process. At the same time I was having an issue with the tax department and I wrote them a letter telling them that since I didn't have a birth certificate, I didn't exist, so I shouldn't have to pay tax. This was the reply I got: "Whether or not you exist is of no concern to us. You are an entity which earns money and any entity which earns money, pays taxes."
January 28, 201214 yr I was born at home and never had a birth certificate. When I tried to apply for a passport, I couldn't do so because of no birth certificate. I had to apply for a delayed certificate, which was a long, convoluted process. At the same time I was having an issue with the tax department and I wrote them a letter telling them that since I didn't have a birth certificate, I didn't exist, so I shouldn't have to pay tax. This was the reply I got: "Whether or not you exist is of no concern to us. You are an entity which earns money and any entity which earns money, pays taxes." LOL! You gotta love that reply.
January 28, 201214 yr Now we know what Global Moderators are.... entities. Malevolent entities? But do they pay tax? And are they corporations?
January 28, 201214 yr Malevolent? I am not sure. A corporation, I am not--at least I certainly am not considered 'too big to fail'. I do pay taxes.
January 30, 201214 yr I was born at home and never had a birth certificate. When I tried to apply for a passport, I couldn't do so because of no birth certificate. I had to apply for a delayed certificate, which was a long, convoluted process. At the same time I was having an issue with the tax department and I wrote them a letter telling them that since I didn't have a birth certificate, I didn't exist, so I shouldn't have to pay tax. This was the reply I got: "Whether or not you exist is of no concern to us. You are an entity which earns money and any entity which earns money, pays taxes." That's funny when they owed me money they pretty much said there was no entity present that had any authority to deal with my problem. Then they inferred they didn't make mistakes. I never did find an entity that could pay me back.
January 31, 201214 yr I was born at home and never had a birth certificate. When I tried to apply for a passport, I couldn't do so because of no birth certificate. I had to apply for a delayed certificate, which was a long, convoluted process. At the same time I was having an issue with the tax department and I wrote them a letter telling them that since I didn't have a birth certificate, I didn't exist, so I shouldn't have to pay tax. This was the reply I got: "Whether or not you exist is of no concern to us. You are an entity which earns money and any entity which earns money, pays taxes." That's funny when they owed me money they pretty much said there was no entity present that had any authority to deal with my problem. Then they inferred they didn't make mistakes. I never did find an entity that could pay me back. That kind of entity tends to disembody when challenged.
February 1, 201214 yr Author Now we know what Global Moderators are.... entities. Malevolent entities? But do they pay tax? And are they corporations? None of the above. Followers.
March 5, 201214 yr From wiki:- Despite not being natural persons, corporations are recognized by the law to have rights and responsibilities like natural persons ("people"). Corporations can exercise human rights against real individuals and the state,[2] and they can themselves be responsible for human rights violations.[3] Corporations are conceptually immortal but they can "die" when they are "dissolved" either by statutory operation, order of court, or voluntary action on the part of shareholders. Insolvency may result in a form of corporate 'death', when creditors force the liquidation and dissolution of the corporation under court order,[4] but it most often results in a restructuring of corporate holdings. Corporations can even be convicted of criminal offenses, such as fraud and manslaughter. However corporations are not living entities in the way that humans are. [5]
March 5, 201214 yr I was born at home and never had a birth certificate. When I tried to apply for a passport, I couldn't do so because of no birth certificate. I had to apply for a delayed certificate, which was a long, convoluted process. At the same time I was having an issue with the tax department and I wrote them a letter telling them that since I didn't have a birth certificate, I didn't exist, so I shouldn't have to pay tax. This was the reply I got: "Whether or not you exist is of no concern to us. You are an entity which earns money and any entity which earns money, pays taxes." LOL! You gotta love that reply. I just saw this one. Quality!!
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