Lese Majeste Charges Against Jatuporn Lifted

[whybother]

It will be interesting to see how many posters on this forum will now backtrack or even apologise for arguing against the fact that the "Democrat" Party and their various proxies were using Article 112 in a political way.

Even more interesting will be if the remaining 18 UDD Leaders will also have their charges dropped if their charges are related to being on stage and applauding Jatuporns remarks

Jatuporn made a veiled statement mentioning "royally-bestowed bullets". The army asked that charges be laid based on inappropriate remarks.

I don't see what that has to do with the Democrat party or politics.

Well all I can say is you must have been asleep throughout most of 2010 and took no notice of what happened - OR you are deliberately baiting which I think is the case here.

Weren't the charges made based on a speech in 2011?

[whybother]

Today (Sunday) Red Shirt leaders began to file counter-charges against the Thai army chief, Gen Prayuth Chan-ocha, for defamation.

http://thailandtimes.asia/thailand-news/redshirt-leaders-to-fight-lese-majeste-charges/

I wonder if the general will be found guilty of defamation now.

[thaihome]

It will be interesting to see how many posters on this forum will now backtrack or even apologise for arguing against the fact that the "Democrat" Party and their various proxies were using Article 112 in a political way.

Even more interesting will be if the remaining 18 UDD Leaders will also have their charges dropped if their charges are related to being on stage and applauding Jatuporns remarks

Gen Prayuth had assigned the army’s Staff Judge Advocate to file the lese majeste charges against Mr Jatuporn and other UDD leaders, following what he felt were inappropriate remarks about the monarchy on the Red Shirt rally stage on April 10 at Rajdamnoen Avenue.

http://thailandtimes...ajeste-charges/

Thailand’s Department of Special Investigation (DSI) have said that at least 18 leaders of the anti-government United Front for Democracy against Dictatorship (UDD) have made ‘inappropriate remarks’ about the monarchy at their recent Red Shirt rally.

DSI Director-General Tharit Pengdit said that, after screening video clips, still pictures, and speeches made by the leaders during the rally in the capital on April 10, it was found that at least 18 of the stage speaker made remarks which were deemed insulting to the revered monarch – as well as instigating people to violate the law.

http://thailandtimes...ajeste-charges/

Jatuporn’s case being dropped just further shows what a fine political tool article 112 continues to be. There is no way the PTP (and its master) is ever going to give it up. When are the cases against the Red Shirts that were passing out anti-monarchy pamphlets at the very rally that Jatuporn spoke at going to have their cases dropped and be released from jail (they didn’t get bail).

Oh wait, they aren’t up for cabinet positions are they.

TH

[jimsrant]

Love him or hate him millions of Thais adore him. It is their country after all. Everybody is entitled to their own opinion though.

[Basil B]

It will be interesting to see how many posters on this forum will now backtrack or even apologise for arguing against the fact that the "Democrat" Party and their various proxies were using Article 112 in a political way.

Even more interesting will be if the remaining 18 UDD Leaders will also have their charges dropped if their charges are related to being on stage and applauding Jatuporns remarks

Jatuporn made a veiled statement mentioning "royally-bestowed bullets". The army asked that charges be laid based on inappropriate remarks.

I don't see what that has to do with the Democrat party or politics.

When the military impose martial law that is politics...

[coma]

dam_n it! If there is someone I would like to see this law applied to it would have to be this lunatic.

And would that be admitting that you like the law to be used in a political sense?

No. Just for this geezer/lunatic. I don't know quite what it is be he rides me something shocking.

[hyperdimension]

Jatuporn referred to "royally-bestowed bullets"

That sounds like a lese majeste violation, and especially so when it was in a public speech in front of hundreds or thousands of people as opposed to a private text message to a single person.

Maybe his freedom is an outcome of deal-making between Thaksin's clan and the old elites.

Can the pro-red shirt / pro-Pheu Thai forum members please comment?

It's all very well hiding behind a publically printed statement in a newspaper - quite another thing to discuss publically what may be beyond that comment, as you well know. So I would view your question as a kind of "entrapment" if you will, possibly enticing forum members to break Rule 2.

We are allowed to discuss the lese majeste law. It seems though that you only ever want to discuss the Democrat party and Abhisit. Will you ever express anything critical of the Red Shirts, Pheu Thai or Thaksin, or would that be against rules that have been imposed on you?

[phiphidon]

It will be interesting to see how many posters on this forum will now backtrack or even apologise for arguing against the fact that the "Democrat" Party and their various proxies were using Article 112 in a political way.

Even more interesting will be if the remaining 18 UDD Leaders will also have their charges dropped if their charges are related to being on stage and applauding Jatuporns remarks

Jatuporn made a veiled statement mentioning "royally-bestowed bullets". The army asked that charges be laid based on inappropriate remarks.

I don't see what that has to do with the Democrat party or politics.

Well all I can say is you must have been asleep throughout most of 2010 and took no notice of what happened - OR you are deliberately baiting which I think is the case here.

Weren't the charges made based on a speech in 2011?

Yes, at the first anniversary rally at the Kok Wua intersection.

[phiphidon]

Jatuporn referred to "royally-bestowed bullets"

That sounds like a lese majeste violation, and especially so when it was in a public speech in front of hundreds or thousands of people as opposed to a private text message to a single person.

Maybe his freedom is an outcome of deal-making between Thaksin's clan and the old elites.

Can the pro-red shirt / pro-Pheu Thai forum members please comment?

It's all very well hiding behind a publically printed statement in a newspaper - quite another thing to discuss publically what may be beyond that comment, as you well know. So I would view your question as a kind of "entrapment" if you will, possibly enticing forum members to break Rule 2.

We are allowed to discuss the lese majeste law. It seems though that you only ever want to discuss the Democrat party and Abhisit. Will you ever express anything critical of the Red Shirts, Pheu Thai or Thaksin, or would that be against rules that have been imposed on you?

For the hard of thinking I will say this only once more. We can discuss the lese majeste law until the cows come home. We can not discuss specifics of that case and why it raised without going into areas which are off limits unless of course you are arguing in favour of it. That obviously leaves those people with a different outlook on such things at a distinct disadvantage, hence the "entrapment" argument.

I have been critical in the past of certain aspects of the Red Shirts, PTP and Thaksin - your thinly veiled accusation that I am paid to post notwithstanding.

I suspect that if I were being paid to post I would be providing far greater value for money than yourself.

[phiphidon]

It will be interesting to see how many posters on this forum will now backtrack or even apologise for arguing against the fact that the "Democrat" Party and their various proxies were using Article 112 in a political way.

Even more interesting will be if the remaining 18 UDD Leaders will also have their charges dropped if their charges are related to being on stage and applauding Jatuporns remarks

Gen Prayuth had assigned the army’s Staff Judge Advocate to file the lese majeste charges against Mr Jatuporn and other UDD leaders, following what he felt were inappropriate remarks about the monarchy on the Red Shirt rally stage on April 10 at Rajdamnoen Avenue.

http://thailandtimes...ajeste-charges/

Thailand’s Department of Special Investigation (DSI) have said that at least 18 leaders of the anti-government United Front for Democracy against Dictatorship (UDD) have made ‘inappropriate remarks’ about the monarchy at their recent Red Shirt rally.

DSI Director-General Tharit Pengdit said that, after screening video clips, still pictures, and speeches made by the leaders during the rally in the capital on April 10, it was found that at least 18 of the stage speaker made remarks which were deemed insulting to the revered monarch – as well as instigating people to violate the law.

http://thailandtimes...ajeste-charges/

Jatuporn’s case being dropped just further shows what a fine political tool article 112 continues to be. There is no way the PTP (and its master) is ever going to give it up. When are the cases against the Red Shirts that were passing out anti-monarchy pamphlets at the very rally that Jatuporn spoke at going to have their cases dropped and be released from jail (they didn’t get bail).

Oh wait, they aren’t up for cabinet positions are they.

TH

It's not just Jatuporns case that is being dropped, that was just The Nations selected take on it. 19 UDD Members were charged at the same time.

"When are the cases against the Red Shirts that were passing out anti-monarchy pamphlets at the very rally that Jatuporn spoke at going to have their cases dropped and be released from jail (they didn’t get bail)."

I hadn't heard that there were other arrests other than the ones already mentioned - how many were there and can you point me in the right direction for a link?

[Buchholz]

I find it odd that the DSI is in the business of recommending that charges be dropped. Surely that is the sole responsibility of the Prosecution Office and the Justice Department?

Which is controlled by

Justice Minister

Pheu Thai Party MP

Police General

Pracha Promnog

so either way, the charges aren't going anywhere

it's the benefit of having many bases covered....it's how dynasties are created

same, same Thailand circa 2005

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Edited May 11, 2012 by Buchholz

[whybother]

Well all I can say is you must have been asleep throughout most of 2010 and took no notice of what happened - OR you are deliberately baiting which I think is the case here.

Weren't the charges made based on a speech in 2011?

Yes, at the first anniversary rally at the Kok Wua intersection.

So what does what happened in 2010 and the Democrats have to do with this case except that Jatuporn said "royally-bestowed bullets"?

Edited May 11, 2012 by whybother

[cardholder]

Better still would be to get rid of Article 112 altogether. It is a pathetically backward law which protects nothing and is only about hate. Thailand will always be considered as a 3rd-rate, backwater country until this law is gone.

..... and probably even AFTER they have repealed Article 112.....................................

[Buchholz]

Is it just me, or does he have a sort of goofy gay look to him ??

I agree,

but as Seinfeld would say,

"Not that there's anything wrong with that."

I have to say of all the moronic things I have seen the Thai government do in the last 13 years, considering putting this guy in a position of power is the topper. Once again this shows how arbitrary the LM laws are, and how they are used as a weapon against people the government does not like. However if you are a lunatic red shirt " leader" , it is apparently no problem to say as you wish. As someone well noted, if I made the same statement in a public speech, I would be in jail forever...

Agreed also.

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[rixalex]

I have been critical in the past of certain aspects of the Red Shirts, PTP and Thaksin

Guess i must have blinked and missed that post.

[xthAi76s]

LOL -- these articles get so few hits or comments. Wonder why...

Not worth the risk typing anything intelligent.

[pedro01]

Let us not forget:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lese-majesty

Neither the King nor any member of the Royal Family has ever personally filed any charges under this law. In fact, during his birthday speech in 2005, King Bhumibol Adulyadej encouraged criticism: "Actually, I must also be criticized. I am not afraid if the criticism concerns what I do wrong, because then I know." He later added, "But the King can do wrong," in reference to those he was appealing to not to overlook his human nature.

I dont like Jatuporn - I think he's a scumbag. I still don't think this law should be used against him, though.

[hawthorne]

The law is the law unless we decide otherwise.

[cdnvic]

Posts crossing the line removed. Be very careful when commenting on these issues.

[phiphidon]

Well all I can say is you must have been asleep throughout most of 2010 and took no notice of what happened - OR you are deliberately baiting which I think is the case here.

Weren't the charges made based on a speech in 2011?

Yes, at the first anniversary rally at the Kok Wua intersection.

So what does what happened in 2010 and the Democrats have to do with this case except that Jatuporn said "royally-bestowed bullets"?

Use your brain, I am not going to spell it out for you just to get myself locked up to satisfy your baiting.

[phiphidon]

I have been critical in the past of certain aspects of the Red Shirts, PTP and Thaksin

Guess i must have blinked and missed that post.

[bigbamboo]

I have been critical in the past of certain aspects of the Red Shirts, PTP and Thaksin

Guess i must have blinked and missed that post.

I'm sure Phiphidon wouldn't be supportive of the appointment to a position of responsibility anyone who was so deranged that he wanted his red shirts to burn the city of Bangkok to the ground

[Buchholz]

Better still would be to get rid of Article 112 altogether. It is a pathetically backward law which protects nothing and is only about hate. Thailand will always be considered as a 3rd-rate, backwater country until this law is gone.

Both Yingluck and Thaksin have said there will be no changes to the law.

Deputy PM Chalerm has even established an LM "War Room" to scrutinize for even additional offenders.

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[Buchholz]

Jatuporn’s case being dropped just further shows what a fine political tool article 112 continues to be. There is no way the PTP (and its master) is ever going to give it up.

as per above, "the PTP (and its master)" have said they won't give it up.

When are the cases against the Red Shirts that were passing out anti-monarchy pamphlets at the very rally that Jatuporn spoke at going to have their cases dropped and be released from jail (they didn’t get bail).

Oh wait, they aren’t up for cabinet positions are they.

the often-preached-for-but-never-followed "avoid double standards" once again applies to its feigned proponents

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Edited May 11, 2012 by Buchholz

[bigbamboo]

Better still would be to get rid of Article 112 altogether. It is a pathetically backward law which protects nothing and is only about hate. Thailand will always be considered as a 3rd-rate, backwater country until this law is gone.

Both Yingluck and Thaksin have said there will be no changes to the law.

Deputy PM Chalerm has even established an LM "War Room" to scrutinize for even additional offenders.

.

So Thaksin is deciding which laws Thailand should have now?

Edited May 11, 2012 by bigbamboo

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[OzMick]

It will be interesting to see how many posters on this forum will now backtrack or even apologise for arguing against the fact that the "Democrat" Party and their various proxies were using Article 112 in a political way.

Even more interesting will be if the remaining 18 UDD Leaders will also have their charges dropped if their charges are related to being on stage and applauding Jatuporns remarks

Gen Prayuth had assigned the army’s Staff Judge Advocate to file the lese majeste charges against Mr Jatuporn and other UDD leaders, following what he felt were inappropriate remarks about the monarchy on the Red Shirt rally stage on April 10 at Rajdamnoen Avenue.

http://thailandtimes...ajeste-charges/

Thailand’s Department of Special Investigation (DSI) have said that at least 18 leaders of the anti-government United Front for Democracy against Dictatorship (UDD) have made ‘inappropriate remarks’ about the monarchy at their recent Red Shirt rally.

DSI Director-General Tharit Pengdit said that, after screening video clips, still pictures, and speeches made by the leaders during the rally in the capital on April 10, it was found that at least 18 of the stage speaker made remarks which were deemed insulting to the revered monarch – as well as instigating people to violate the law.

http://thailandtimes...ajeste-charges/

Not unusually, you seem a little confused, referring to charges laid on 2 separate occasions. Why should charges be dropped against 18 offenders because their co-defendant has had a later charge dropped?

And if charges have been filed by the army, will the DSI lackey get to decide they have no substance? Tharit is subverting the justice system by making ad hoc decisions about the value of cases, including weird interpretations of the law, to appease his political masters. I'm sure that chicken will come home to roost eventually.

The quoted phrase was an obvious breach of the law (with no implication as to the law's validity) intended to cause anti-monarchy sentiment. The duty of the DSI is to gather evidence and pass it to the courts for judgement, not to make politically biased decisions as to the guilt of the offender. (We are a fact-gathering organization only. We don’t clear anybody. We don’t condemn anybody. J E Hoover)

How are they going to make his terrorism charge go away?

[rubl]

He (i.e. k. Noppadon) explained that Yingluck's immediate problem was the rising prices of daily commodities

This chap may not have been reading mail, newspapers or TV, but rising prices are a misconception

[phiphidon]

Not unusually, you seem a little confused, referring to charges laid on 2 separate occasions. Why should charges be dropped against 18 offenders because their co-defendant has had a later charge dropped?

And if charges have been filed by the army, will the DSI lackey get to decide they have no substance? Tharit is subverting the justice system by making ad hoc decisions about the value of cases, including weird interpretations of the law, to appease his political masters. I'm sure that chicken will come home to roost eventually.

The quoted phrase was an obvious breach of the law (with no implication as to the law's validity) intended to cause anti-monarchy sentiment. The duty of the DSI is to gather evidence and pass it to the courts for judgement, not to make politically biased decisions as to the guilt of the offender. (We are a fact-gathering organization only. We don’t clear anybody. We don’t condemn anybody. J E Hoover)

How are they going to make his terrorism charge go away?

Now where do I start, ah my supposed confusion. The case referred to is the one where 19 UDD Leaders (including Jatuporn) were accused of Lese Majeste at a rally marking the 1 st anniversary of the deaths at the Kok Wua Intersection held on the 10th April 2011. Now I checked again and both links still refer to the same case. So you're wrong, not for the first time.

"Why should charges be dropped against 18 offenders because their co-defendant has had a later charge dropped?'

Well, apart from the fact you were wrong about it being a later charge being dropped, if I remember correctly they were charged for actually the mere fact that they were on stage at the same time as Jatuporn and did not try and stop him from saying the remarks and even clapped showing that they agreed with those remarks.

The DSI has agreed that there is no case to answer but has fowarded the case recommending the cases be dropped to the Prosecution. They get the final say.

Whether you think that the phrase used is obviously against the law is neither here nor there and is purely a Thai matter.

[rubl]

At a rally held at Democracy Monument to mark the one-year anniversary on the red-shirt crackdown, Jatuporn referred to "royally-bestowed bullets" as he attacked the military and the Abhisit Vejjajiva government in his speech.

If this is not a case of LM, can it be a veiled threat towards the military and the Abhisit government, or is k. Jatuporn supporting a new order which can be bestowed on well deserving persons and organisations?