Lese Majeste Charges Against Jatuporn Lifted

[rubl]

Now where do I start, ah my supposed confusion. The case referred to is the one where 19 UDD Leaders (including Jatuporn) were accused of Lese Majeste at a rally marking the 1 st anniversary of the deaths at the Kok Wua Intersection held on the 10th April 2011. Now I checked again and both links still refer to the same case. So you're wrong, not for the first time.

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19 UDD leaders, didn't know they had so many Anyway:

2011-04-14

"Pheu Thai Party MP Jatuporn Promphan, a core red leader, said he would lodge a complaint with Samran Rat Police Station on Sunday against General Prayuth Chan-ochar for falsely claiming lese majeste by three red leaders."

http://www.thaivisa....t/#entry4355045

2011-04-18

"On Sunday, 17 April 2011, Red Shirts went to Samranrat Police Station, around the corner from Lan Kon Mueang, to accompany their leaders to file a counter case against Army Chief Prayud Chana-ocha, who filed there a lese majeste case against several Red Shirt leaders for their speeches on their Democracy Monument stage on 10 April"

http://asiapacific.a...gkok-stand-off/

Edited May 11, 2012 by rubl

[JohnAllan]

That is the only time - certainly in recent history - when a Lese Majeste case has not been pursued. And judging by the questionable criteria for establishing an offence, Jatuporn should have been well to the top of the offences league table.

And will PT MPs and Noppadom desist from continually assuring the Thai public that Yingluck has the final decision on the Cabinet line-up, when it is well known that she is just a clone!

[Skywalker69]

Is the guy on the left thinking "I wish I could be more like Jatuporn!" or "What tree did this monkey fall from?"

IMO He thinks "why didn´t the lock the bastard up so I can take his place, I want to get rich too.

[rubl]

Is the guy on the left thinking "I wish I could be more like Jatuporn!" or "What tree did this monkey fall from?"

IMO He thinks "why didn´t the lock the bastard up so I can take his place, I want to get rich too.

I'm really surprised and a wee bit appalled by you guys. Even Dept. PM Pol. Captain Chalerm said of k. Jatu[porn 'hard working and good looking', in other words prime cabinet material

Edited May 11, 2012 by rubl

[Skywalker69]

Is the guy on the left thinking "I wish I could be more like Jatuporn!" or "What tree did this monkey fall from?"

IMO He thinks "why didn´t the lock the bastard up so I can take his place, I want to get rich too.

I'm really surprised and a wee bit appalled by you guys. Even Dept. PM Pol. Captain Chalerm said of k. Jatu[porn 'hard working and good looking', in other words prime cabinet material

yea, he rally fits with the rest of them.

[hellodolly]

"The cabinet reshuffle will be decided by Yingluck alone,"

Of course.

Ya that stuck out like a red flag to a bull

"Meanwhile, Thaksin's legal advisor Noppadon Pattama tried to tone down the conflicts among Pheu Thai MPs. "Pheu Thai members should be patient and avoid attacking each other because the Cabinet reshuffle will not happen soon," he said in an e-mail to the press."

If it is all up to Yingluck he would know nothing. Does he run around with a sign on his back saying kick me.

The Thaksin arrogance knows no limits.

[hellodolly]

It will be interesting to see how many posters on this forum will now backtrack or even apologise for arguing against the fact that the "Democrat" Party and their various proxies were using Article 112 in a political way.

Even more interesting will be if the remaining 18 UDD Leaders will also have their charges dropped if their charges are related to being on stage and applauding Jatuporns remarks

Jatuporn made a veiled statement mentioning "royally-bestowed bullets". The army asked that charges be laid based on inappropriate remarks.

I don't see what that has to do with the Democrat party or politics.

Nether does he,

But he sees it as a chance to attack others who do not idolize the paymaster in Dubai.

[hellodolly]

It will be interesting to see how many posters on this forum will now backtrack or even apologise for arguing against the fact that the "Democrat" Party and their various proxies were using Article 112 in a political way.

Even more interesting will be if the remaining 18 UDD Leaders will also have their charges dropped if their charges are related to being on stage and applauding Jatuporns remarks

Jatuporn made a veiled statement mentioning "royally-bestowed bullets". The army asked that charges be laid based on inappropriate remarks.

I don't see what that has to do with the Democrat party or politics.

Well all I can say is you must have been asleep throughout most of 2010 and took no notice of what happened - OR you are deliberately baiting which I think is the case here.

Well he may have been asleep through all of 2010 but this is about statements made in 2011.

If it makes you feel better I don't really think it was breaking the law just a way of insinuating that he was not a really big fan of the Royal family.

Mods if you feel that last statement was improper please erase it.

[OzMick]

Not unusually, you seem a little confused, referring to charges laid on 2 separate occasions. Why should charges be dropped against 18 offenders because their co-defendant has had a later charge dropped?

And if charges have been filed by the army, will the DSI lackey get to decide they have no substance? Tharit is subverting the justice system by making ad hoc decisions about the value of cases, including weird interpretations of the law, to appease his political masters. I'm sure that chicken will come home to roost eventually.

The quoted phrase was an obvious breach of the law (with no implication as to the law's validity) intended to cause anti-monarchy sentiment. The duty of the DSI is to gather evidence and pass it to the courts for judgement, not to make politically biased decisions as to the guilt of the offender. (We are a fact-gathering organization only. We don’t clear anybody. We don’t condemn anybody. J E Hoover)

How are they going to make his terrorism charge go away?

Now where do I start, ah my supposed confusion. The case referred to is the one where 19 UDD Leaders (including Jatuporn) were accused of Lese Majeste at a rally marking the 1 st anniversary of the deaths at the Kok Wua Intersection held on the 10th April 2011. Now I checked again and both links still refer to the same case. So you're wrong, not for the first time.

"Why should charges be dropped against 18 offenders because their co-defendant has had a later charge dropped?'

Well, apart from the fact you were wrong about it being a later charge being dropped, if I remember correctly they were charged for actually the mere fact that they were on stage at the same time as Jatuporn and did not try and stop him from saying the remarks and even clapped showing that they agreed with those remarks.

The DSI has agreed that there is no case to answer but has fowarded the case recommending the cases be dropped to the Prosecution. They get the final say.

Whether you think that the phrase used is obviously against the law is neither here nor there and is purely a Thai matter.

My apology, it was i confused by the similar dates.

It does seem however that Tharit has had a remarkable change of mind regarding the events. From your quote "Tharit Pengdit said that, after screening video clips, still pictures, and speeches made by the leaders during the rally in the capital on April 10, it was found that at least 18 of the stage speaker made remarks which were deemed insulting..."

Now, it is not insulting in his opinion, and you claim it was merely applause by the others. Which makes his original assessment wildly inaccurate.

In light of his claim that perjury charges can only be laid against the person on trial (ie NOT Yingluk) I claim that using the beaurocracy to make decisions in high profile cases is subverting the court system, and the fact that it happens so often in high profile cases supports this.

While my assessment of the statement might not carry an legal weight, why should that of a politically influenced lackey be the final say rather than the court system which is the appropriate forum to decide guilt or innocence. Are they seen to be too impartial since they had the temerity to convict Thaksin? Other red shirts are being convicted on a regular basis, their leaders' cases never get to court.

[Chupup]

I have been critical in the past of certain aspects of the Red Shirts, PTP and Thaksin

Guess i must have blinked and missed that post.

Me To

[FOODLOVER]

I find it odd that the DSI is in the business of recommending that charges be dropped. Surely that is the sole responsibility of the Prosecution Office and the Justice Department?

Which is controlled by

Justice Minister

Pheu Thai Party MP

Police General

Pracha Promnog

so either way, the charges aren't going anywhere

it's the benefit of having many bases covered....it's how dynasties are created

same, same Thailand circa 2005

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Every time i see a photo of one of the red leaders their eyes are redder than their shirts!

[Yunla]

Every time i see a photo of one of the red leaders their eyes are redder than their shirts!

He looks like one of the aliens in 'Men In Black' about to burst out of its man-costume.

[OzMick]

It now seems the DSI is claiming the video clip was edited/distorted. I await Jatuporn claiming to have not made the statement, made before several thousand witnesses, at least one or two of whom may have the integrity to contradict him.

The DSI claim that the clip is inadmissable seems contrived without witness evidence.

[Siam Simon]

Not unusually, you seem a little confused, referring to charges laid on 2 separate occasions. Why should charges be dropped against 18 offenders because their co-defendant has had a later charge dropped?

And if charges have been filed by the army, will the DSI lackey get to decide they have no substance? Tharit is subverting the justice system by making ad hoc decisions about the value of cases, including weird interpretations of the law, to appease his political masters. I'm sure that chicken will come home to roost eventually.

The quoted phrase was an obvious breach of the law (with no implication as to the law's validity) intended to cause anti-monarchy sentiment. The duty of the DSI is to gather evidence and pass it to the courts for judgement, not to make politically biased decisions as to the guilt of the offender. (We are a fact-gathering organization only. We don’t clear anybody. We don’t condemn anybody. J E Hoover)

How are they going to make his terrorism charge go away?

Now where do I start, ah my supposed confusion. The case referred to is the one where 19 UDD Leaders (including Jatuporn) were accused of Lese Majeste at a rally marking the 1 st anniversary of the deaths at the Kok Wua Intersection held on the 10th April 2011. Now I checked again and both links still refer to the same case. So you're wrong, not for the first time.

"Why should charges be dropped against 18 offenders because their co-defendant has had a later charge dropped?'

Well, apart from the fact you were wrong about it being a later charge being dropped, if I remember correctly they were charged for actually the mere fact that they were on stage at the same time as Jatuporn and did not try and stop him from saying the remarks and even clapped showing that they agreed with those remarks.

The DSI has agreed that there is no case to answer but has fowarded the case recommending the cases be dropped to the Prosecution. They get the final say.

Whether you think that the phrase used is obviously against the law is neither here nor there and is purely a Thai matter.

My apology, it was i confused by the similar dates.

It does seem however that Tharit has had a remarkable change of mind regarding the events. From your quote "Tharit Pengdit said that, after screening video clips, still pictures, and speeches made by the leaders during the rally in the capital on April 10, it was found that at least 18 of the stage speaker made remarks which were deemed insulting..."

Now, it is not insulting in his opinion, and you claim it was merely applause by the others. Which makes his original assessment wildly inaccurate.

In light of his claim that perjury charges can only be laid against the person on trial (ie NOT Yingluk) I claim that using the beaurocracy to make decisions in high profile cases is subverting the court system, and the fact that it happens so often in high profile cases supports this.

While my assessment of the statement might not carry an legal weight, why should that of a politically influenced lackey be the final say rather than the court system which is the appropriate forum to decide guilt or innocence. Are they seen to be too impartial since they had the temerity to convict Thaksin? Other red shirts are being convicted on a regular basis, their leaders' cases never get to court.

Tharit does seem to have been somewhat 'malleable' (to use a euphemism) under both the last and current governments.

[hellodolly]

Better still would be to get rid of Article 112 altogether. It is a pathetically backward law which protects nothing and is only about hate. Thailand will always be considered as a 3rd-rate, backwater country until this law is gone.

Both Yingluck and Thaksin have said there will be no changes to the law.

Deputy PM Chalerm has even established an LM "War Room" to scrutinize for even additional offenders.

.

As long as they don't have a red shirt on and support the PT. Those don't count.

[bigbamboo]

"The cabinet reshuffle will be decided by Yingluck alone,"

Of course.

Ya that stuck out like a red flag to a bull

"Meanwhile, Thaksin's legal advisor Noppadon Pattama tried to tone down the conflicts among Pheu Thai MPs. "Pheu Thai members should be patient and avoid attacking each other because the Cabinet reshuffle will not happen soon," he said in an e-mail to the press."

If it is all up to Yingluck he would know nothing. Does he run around with a sign on his back saying kick me.

The Thaksin arrogance knows no limits.

On a purely historical note I'm trying to think of the last time an ostensibly democratic country was run by a man living in another country. Any ideas?

Edited May 12, 2012 by bigbamboo

[hyperdimension]

On a purely historical note I'm trying to think of the last time an ostensibly democratic country was run by a man living in another country. Any ideas?

Add the words "corrupt", "criminally convicted", "fugitive", and "ruthless megalomaniac", and I think what we have going on here has never happened before. It's farcically funny, yet also tragic for the people of Thailand.

Edited May 12, 2012 by hyperdimension

[lungmi]

"The cabinet reshuffle will be decided by Yingluck alone,"

Of course.

Ya that stuck out like a red flag to a bull

"Meanwhile, Thaksin's legal advisor Noppadon Pattama tried to tone down the conflicts among Pheu Thai MPs. "Pheu Thai members should be patient and avoid attacking each other because the Cabinet reshuffle will not happen soon," he said in an e-mail to the press."

If it is all up to Yingluck he would know nothing. Does he run around with a sign on his back saying kick me.

The Thaksin arrogance knows no limits.

On a purely historical note I'm trying to think of the last time an ostensibly democratic country was run by a man living in another country. Any ideas?

Peron living in exile in Italy and Spain??

Edited May 12, 2012 by lungmi

[phiphidon]

Now where do I start, ah my supposed confusion. The case referred to is the one where 19 UDD Leaders (including Jatuporn) were accused of Lese Majeste at a rally marking the 1 st anniversary of the deaths at the Kok Wua Intersection held on the 10th April 2011. Now I checked again and both links still refer to the same case. So you're wrong, not for the first time.

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19 UDD leaders, didn't know they had so many Anyway:

2011-04-14

"Pheu Thai Party MP Jatuporn Promphan, a core red leader, said he would lodge a complaint with Samran Rat Police Station on Sunday against General Prayuth Chan-ochar for falsely claiming lese majeste by three red leaders."

http://www.thaivisa....t/#entry4355045

2011-04-18

"On Sunday, 17 April 2011, Red Shirts went to Samranrat Police Station, around the corner from Lan Kon Mueang, to accompany their leaders to file a counter case against Army Chief Prayud Chana-ocha, who filed there a lese majeste case against several Red Shirt leaders for their speeches on their Democracy Monument stage on 10 April"

http://asiapacific.a...gkok-stand-off/

Look, if you wish to ignore my links and try to make out I'm wrong why don't you just read the other papers take on the situation - they verify the 19 UDD leaders charged and even go as far as to say that the DSI have recommended the charges be dropped for all of them. Now it's down to the prosecutors.

[phiphidon]

At a rally held at Democracy Monument to mark the one-year anniversary on the red-shirt crackdown, Jatuporn referred to "royally-bestowed bullets" as he attacked the military and the Abhisit Vejjajiva government in his speech.

If this is not a case of LM, can it be a veiled threat towards the military and the Abhisit government, or is k. Jatuporn supporting a new order which can be bestowed on well deserving persons and organisations?

It would be worth making a joke over if you regard people being shot and killed humorous. They were and it isn't.

[phiphidon]

Jatuporn’s case being dropped just further shows what a fine political tool article 112 continues to be. There is no way the PTP (and its master) is ever going to give it up.

as per above, "the PTP (and its master)" have said they won't give it up.

When are the cases against the Red Shirts that were passing out anti-monarchy pamphlets at the very rally that Jatuporn spoke at going to have their cases dropped and be released from jail (they didn’t get bail).

Oh wait, they aren’t up for cabinet positions are they.

the often-preached-for-but-never-followed "avoid double standards" once again applies to its feigned proponents

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Strange but I still haven't had a reply to how many of these people who were allegedly handing out anti-monarchy pamphlets were arrested and yet you just accept it as truth - do you have any links?

[bigbamboo]

Good call with Peron, Lungmi.

[phiphidon]

I have been critical in the past of certain aspects of the Red Shirts, PTP and Thaksin

Guess i must have blinked and missed that post.

Me To

you're welcome to use the search system - buchholz tells me it's very efficient.

[rubl]

Now where do I start, ah my supposed confusion. The case referred to is the one where 19 UDD Leaders (including Jatuporn) were accused of Lese Majeste at a rally marking the 1 st anniversary of the deaths at the Kok Wua Intersection held on the 10th April 2011. Now I checked again and both links still refer to the same case. So you're wrong, not for the first time.

... end removed

19 UDD leaders, didn't know they had so many Anyway:

2011-04-14

"Pheu Thai Party MP Jatuporn Promphan, a core red leader, said he would lodge a complaint with Samran Rat Police Station on Sunday against General Prayuth Chan-ochar for falsely claiming lese majeste by three red leaders."

http://www.thaivisa....t/#entry4355045

2011-04-18

"On Sunday, 17 April 2011, Red Shirts went to Samranrat Police Station, around the corner from Lan Kon Mueang, to accompany their leaders to file a counter case against Army Chief Prayud Chana-ocha, who filed there a lese majeste case against several Red Shirt leaders for their speeches on their Democracy Monument stage on 10 April"

http://asiapacific.a...gkok-stand-off/

Look, if you wish to ignore my links and try to make out I'm wrong why don't you just read the other papers take on the situation - they verify the 19 UDD leaders charged and even go as far as to say that the DSI have recommended the charges be dropped for all of them. Now it's down to the prosecutors.

Look, I'm quoting from NewMandela, a post from our local reporter NN. You tell me he was wrong ? Do you mean to imply that based on preferences, or what I might already believe, I should believe one or another website? Should I be a bit paranoid ? Should I believe because 'phiphidon told me so' ?

[rubl]

At a rally held at Democracy Monument to mark the one-year anniversary on the red-shirt crackdown, Jatuporn referred to "royally-bestowed bullets" as he attacked the military and the Abhisit Vejjajiva government in his speech.

If this is not a case of LM, can it be a veiled threat towards the military and the Abhisit government, or is k. Jatuporn supporting a new order which can be bestowed on well deserving persons and organisations?

It would be worth making a joke over if you regard people being shot and killed humorous. They were and it isn't.

Don' tell me I should take the 'royally-bestowed bullets' literally. I'm afraid if I should, the DSI should as well

[Buchholz]

I have been critical in the past of certain aspects of the Red Shirts, PTP and Thaksin

Guess i must have blinked and missed that post.

Me To

you're welcome to use the search system - buchholz tells me it's very efficient.

Perhaps if you can recall what some of your alleged criticisms specifically were, it might help pinpoint finding even one, let alone your use of plural to indicate more than one.

Even an efficient search engine won't produce a result of something that doesn't exist and as it stands now, the searches are coming up empty.

critical red shirts

critical PTP

critical Thaksin

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Edited May 12, 2012 by Buchholz

[rubl]

I have been critical in the past of certain aspects of the Red Shirts, PTP and Thaksin

... posts doubting this removed, too many quotes, sorry...

you're welcome to use the search system - buchholz tells me it's very efficient.

Perhaps if you can recall what some of your alleged criticisms specifically were, it might help pinpoint finding even one, let alone your use of plural to indicate more than one.

Even an efficient search engine won't produce a result of something that doesn't exist and as it stands now, the searches are coming up empty.

critical red shirts

critical PTP

critical Thaksin

Searching needs to be done using a combination of AND, OR, similar to, and such things. Not so easy. In this particular case dear member phiphidon may not have said 'critical', but may be 'could be better', or 'not really perfect'. Now try telling a (publicly) available search engine to understand you mean 'any phiphidon post which may be construed as possibly critical of or at least not really positive towards certain aspects pertaining the red-shirts, UDD and/or similar type of factions and having relevance to Thailand.

Edited May 12, 2012 by rubl

[Buchholz]

I have been critical in the past of certain aspects of the Red Shirts, PTP and Thaksin

... posts doubting this removed, too many quotes, sorry...

you're welcome to use the search system - buchholz tells me it's very efficient.

Perhaps if you can recall what some of your alleged criticisms specifically were, it might help pinpoint finding even one, let alone your use of plural to indicate more than one.

Even an efficient search engine won't produce a result of something that doesn't exist and as it stands now, the searches are coming up empty.

critical red shirts

critical PTP

critical Thaksin

Searching needs to be done using a combination of AND, OR, similar to, and such things. Not so easy. In this particular case dear member phiphidon may not have said 'critical', but may be 'could be better', or 'not really perfect'. Now try telling a (publicly) available search engine to understand you mean 'any phiphidon post which may be construed as possibly critical of or at least not really positive towards certain aspects pertaining the red-shirts, UDD and/or similar type of factions and having relevance to Thailand.

the and/or aren't necessary and yes, he could have easily posted something other than "critical" and that's I was seeking to see if he recalled any adjectives/nouns/adverbs/verbs used in his more-than-one critical post of Red Shirts, PTP, and Thaksin, that might aid in the search of the alleged critical post.

.

Edited May 12, 2012 by Buchholz

[thaisteaparty]

It's almost boring

[phiphidon]

Now where do I start, ah my supposed confusion. The case referred to is the one where 19 UDD Leaders (including Jatuporn) were accused of Lese Majeste at a rally marking the 1 st anniversary of the deaths at the Kok Wua Intersection held on the 10th April 2011. Now I checked again and both links still refer to the same case. So you're wrong, not for the first time.

... end removed

19 UDD leaders, didn't know they had so many Anyway:

2011-04-14

"Pheu Thai Party MP Jatuporn Promphan, a core red leader, said he would lodge a complaint with Samran Rat Police Station on Sunday against General Prayuth Chan-ochar for falsely claiming lese majeste by three red leaders."

http://www.thaivisa....t/#entry4355045

2011-04-18

"On Sunday, 17 April 2011, Red Shirts went to Samranrat Police Station, around the corner from Lan Kon Mueang, to accompany their leaders to file a counter case against Army Chief Prayud Chana-ocha, who filed there a lese majeste case against several Red Shirt leaders for their speeches on their Democracy Monument stage on 10 April"

http://asiapacific.a...gkok-stand-off/

Look, if you wish to ignore my links and try to make out I'm wrong why don't you just read the other papers take on the situation - they verify the 19 UDD leaders charged and even go as far as to say that the DSI have recommended the charges be dropped for all of them. Now it's down to the prosecutors.

Look, I'm quoting from NewMandela, a post from our local reporter NN. You tell me he was wrong ? Do you mean to imply that based on preferences, or what I might already believe, I should believe one or another website? Should I be a bit paranoid ? Should I believe because 'phiphidon told me so' ?

It's really up to you, I really don't care if you believe me or not. Lets see what happens in reality and then you can apologise.