Corruption Details Being Saved For Censure: Thai Democrats

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NO-CONFIDENCE DEBATE

Corruption details being saved for censure: Democrats

PRAPASRI OSATHANON

THE NATION

Chavanond

BANGKOK: -- Hopes that the opposition Democrat Party may release details of alleged massive corruption by the government when it holds a press conference today to attack the administration aren't high.

Although the Democrats will focus on the Yingluck government's alleged failures a day before the government announces its "achievements", the Democrats have said they will save their best information for a censure debate.

Party spokesman Chavanond Intarakomalyasut told reporters yesterday they would not expose alleged corruption just yet, as the party had to save the information for a no-confidence debate.

The press conference will start at 10.30am at the Seni Pramoj Building at the Democrats' head office with a speech by leader Abhisit Vejjajiva. Democrat shadow Cabinet members will join in to critique the administration for its failures to keep its pre-poll promises, Chavanond said.

He said they would play video clips to show failures in various government projects. The clips will be presented in groups - such as failings in energy projects, failures to shore up commodities' prices and failings in populist projects.

The speakers would show charts of the government's performance compared to the Democrat-led administration's performance and Pheu Thai's promises given during the election campaign.

After that, Abhisit would make a closing speech to give the complete picture, the spokesman said.

Abhisit said yesterday the party had questioned the government's performance by highlighting a series of major policies.

He said the series would raise questions about Pheu Thai's promises announced during the election campaign. The policies to be questioned include the village revolving fund, the small, medium and large (SML) village funds, the University Business Investment fund, the fund for women's development and the debt moratorium project.

He said the Democrats would raise questions on issues that affect people the most, including the economy, security and politics.

Previously, the party has pointed out government failures to shore up prices of agricultural products, including rubber sheets, oil palms, coconut, garlic and onions.

But for today, Abhisit said, they would focus on the big picture, highlighting the overall economy and living standards.

Meanwhile, government spokesperson Sansanee Nakpong said yesterday between Bt30 million to Bt45 million would be spent organizing events in all provinces nationwide over the next two days titled "Government meeting the people: funds for better quality of life".

The event in Bangkok would be held at Rajamangala Stadium at 9am, she said.

They would be exhibitions of various government funds so that people know how to access money to improve their quality of life, the spokeswoman said.

The funds include the University Business Investment fund, the village revolving fund, the fund for developing women's roles and the fund for developing villages' potential.

The events would also highlight other government's projects, such as those for first-time home buyers, first-time car buyers and credit cards for farmers.

The cost of the event being held in Bangkok was Bt7 million, she said. The spokeswoman said the government had yet to set the schedule for announcing its performance to Parliament.

-- The Nation 2012-08-24

[ramrod711]

They would be exhibitions of various government funds so that people know how to access money to improve their quality of life, the spokeswoman said.

The people can best access government funds by waving Phue Thai banners and large pictures of Thaksin Shiniwatra

[Cent]

There seems to be something in the Bangkok Post and The Nation every single day the past six months about one area or another where there is government corruption suspected. Much more so since the present administration came into power than the previous. The amount of corruption here in Thailand must be staggering if even 1/3 of it was true.

Cent

[whybother]

There seems to be something in the Bangkok Post and The Nation every single day the past six months about one area or another where there is government corruption suspected. Much more so since the present administration came into power than the previous. The amount of corruption here in Thailand must be staggering if even 1/3 of it was true.

Cent

It's worse than that. All of it is true and only 1/3 (actually, much much less) is being reported.

[TackyToo]

Meanwhile, government spokesperson Sansanee Nakpong said yesterday between Bt30 million to Bt45 million would be spent organizing events in all provinces nationwide over the next two days titled "Government meeting the people: funds for better quality of life".

They would be exhibitions of various government funds so that people know how to access money to improve their quality of life, the spokeswoman said.

How much is the handout for those who attend these “medicine shows”?

[chotthee]

Corruption was abolished by Mark government.

It was reinstated by Yingluck government.

[Docno]

Corruption was abolished by Mark government.

It was reinstated by Yingluck government.

Thank you for a much needed laugh....

[Dap]

Corruption was abolished by Mark government.

It was reinstated by Yingluck government.

No matter who's banner any of us may wave, THAT is one literally "unbelievable" statememnt.

[Thai at Heart]

As public servants shouldn't they have to report wrongdoing with public funds??? This is criminal behavior, you can't just sit on the info until it suits you.

[indyuk]

Some of the comments on this topic are seriously irresponsible.

The fact that reporters find sources that make assertions of impropriety by the current government and it’s administration and actually believe those unsupported remarks as fact, is infantile.

My God! they could even have drafted by the authors of todays comments.

Thailand is awash with corruption and has been during all of my twenty years of association and residence with this country.

During the post Taksin period there seems to have been a steady increase in losses that may be attributable to corruption. Especially since 2008 after which merchants experience slipping profits at a time when graft was becoming easier.

The fact is that during the periods of weakness of the military government and that of PM Abhisit those temped to corrupt the system had endless opportunities to do so.

If you believe that the escalation of corruption thse past four years is due to PM Yingluck's government then you are naive beyond belief. Note they were not in power.

The evidence is in fact that PM Yingluck is repeatedly driving her ministers to root out Thailand’s endemic corruption.

[buzz]

Some of the comments on this topic are seriously irresponsible.

The fact that reporters find sources that make assertions of impropriety by the current government and it’s administration and actually believe those unsupported remarks as fact, is infantile.

My God! they could even have drafted by the authors of todays comments.

Thailand is awash with corruption and has been during all of my twenty years of association and residence with this country.

During the post Taksin period there seems to have been a steady increase in losses that may be attributable to corruption. Especially since 2008 after which merchants experience slipping profits at a time when graft was becoming easier.

The fact is that during the periods of weakness of the military government and that of PM Abhisit those temped to corrupt the system had endless opportunities to do so.

If you believe that the escalation of corruption thse past four years is due to PM Yingluck's government then you are naive beyond belief. Note they were not in power.

The evidence is in fact that PM Yingluck is repeatedly driving her ministers to root out Thailand’s endemic corruption.

where is the evidence

where are the facts

or, are you telling a 'white' lie here to make us feel 'confident' about the current gov't ?

Edited August 24, 2012 by buzz

[buzz]

actually, here are some real facts for you:

BANGKOK, Aug 23 - The Yingluck Shinawatra government has received an overall borderline pass for its one-year performance with the poorest score given to its inefficiency in solving Thailand’s chronic problem of corruption, according to a university survey.

A survey by the University of Thai Chamber of Commerce (UTCC)

[Thai at Heart]

actually, here are some real facts for you:

BANGKOK, Aug 23 - The Yingluck Shinawatra government has received an overall borderline pass for its one-year performance with the poorest score given to its inefficiency in solving Thailand’s chronic problem of corruption, according to a university survey.

A survey by the University of Thai Chamber of Commerce (UTCC)

So the chronic problem is the same.

[GiHadOrange]

Some of the comments on this topic are seriously irresponsible.

The fact that reporters find sources that make assertions of impropriety by the current government and it’s administration and actually believe those unsupported remarks as fact, is infantile.

My God! they could even have drafted by the authors of todays comments.

Thailand is awash with corruption and has been during all of my twenty years of association and residence with this country.

During the post Taksin period there seems to have been a steady increase in losses that may be attributable to corruption. Especially since 2008 after which merchants experience slipping profits at a time when graft was becoming easier.

The fact is that during the periods of weakness of the military government and that of PM Abhisit those temped to corrupt the system had endless opportunities to do so.

If you believe that the escalation of corruption thse past four years is due to PM Yingluck's government then you are naive beyond belief. Note they were not in power.

The evidence is in fact that PM Yingluck is repeatedly driving her ministers to root out Thailand’s endemic corruption.

where is the evidence

where are the facts

or, are you telling a 'white' lie here to make us feel 'confident' about the current gov't ?

Facts are saved for the no confidence debate. They have video clips.

[Moruya]

Some of the comments on this topic are seriously irresponsible.

The fact that reporters find sources that make assertions of impropriety by the current government and it’s administration and actually believe those unsupported remarks as fact, is infantile.

My God! they could even have drafted by the authors of todays comments.

Thailand is awash with corruption and has been during all of my twenty years of association and residence with this country.

During the post Taksin period there seems to have been a steady increase in losses that may be attributable to corruption. Especially since 2008 after which merchants experience slipping profits at a time when graft was becoming easier.

The fact is that during the periods of weakness of the military government and that of PM Abhisit those temped to corrupt the system had endless opportunities to do so.

If you believe that the escalation of corruption thse past four years is due to PM Yingluck's government then you are naive beyond belief. Note they were not in power.

The evidence is in fact that PM Yingluck is repeatedly driving her ministers to root out Thailand’s endemic corruption.

There's a free comedian in every box of cornflakes nowadays

[nurofiend]

Some of the comments on this topic are seriously irresponsible.

The fact that reporters find sources that make assertions of impropriety by the current government and it's administration and actually believe those unsupported remarks as fact, is infantile.

My God! they could even have drafted by the authors of todays comments.

Thailand is awash with corruption and has been during all of my twenty years of association and residence with this country.

During the post Taksin period there seems to have been a steady increase in losses that may be attributable to corruption. Especially since 2008 after which merchants experience slipping profits at a time when graft was becoming easier.

The fact is that during the periods of weakness of the military government and that of PM Abhisit those temped to corrupt the system had endless opportunities to do so.

If you believe that the escalation of corruption thse past four years is due to PM Yingluck's government then you are naive beyond belief. Note they were not in power.

The evidence is in fact that PM Yingluck is repeatedly driving her ministers to root out Thailand's endemic corruption.

There's a free comedian in every box of cornflakes nowadays

well maybe you should buy yourself a box and you can get some tips on how to be funny.

[Reasonableman]

Some of the comments on this topic are seriously irresponsible.

The fact that reporters find sources that make assertions of impropriety by the current government and it's administration and actually believe those unsupported remarks as fact, is infantile.

My God! they could even have drafted by the authors of todays comments.

Thailand is awash with corruption and has been during all of my twenty years of association and residence with this country.

During the post Taksin period there seems to have been a steady increase in losses that may be attributable to corruption. Especially since 2008 after which merchants experience slipping profits at a time when graft was becoming easier.

The fact is that during the periods of weakness of the military government and that of PM Abhisit those temped to corrupt the system had endless opportunities to do so.

If you believe that the escalation of corruption thse past four years is due to PM Yingluck's government then you are naive beyond belief. Note they were not in power.

The evidence is in fact that PM Yingluck is repeatedly driving her ministers to root out Thailand's endemic corruption.

There's a free comedian in every box of cornflakes nowadays

well maybe you should buy yourself a box and you can get some tips on how to be funny.

Buy one, get one free.

[Moruya]

Some of the comments on this topic are seriously irresponsible.

The fact that reporters find sources that make assertions of impropriety by the current government and it's administration and actually believe those unsupported remarks as fact, is infantile.

My God! they could even have drafted by the authors of todays comments.

Thailand is awash with corruption and has been during all of my twenty years of association and residence with this country.

During the post Taksin period there seems to have been a steady increase in losses that may be attributable to corruption. Especially since 2008 after which merchants experience slipping profits at a time when graft was becoming easier.

The fact is that during the periods of weakness of the military government and that of PM Abhisit those temped to corrupt the system had endless opportunities to do so.

If you believe that the escalation of corruption thse past four years is due to PM Yingluck's government then you are naive beyond belief. Note they were not in power.

The evidence is in fact that PM Yingluck is repeatedly driving her ministers to root out Thailand's endemic corruption.

There's a free comedian in every box of cornflakes nowadays

well maybe you should buy yourself a box and you can get some tips on how to be funny.

I will do that. There's always room for improvement. I will use the cardboard to make a new brain for you and we will both have benefitted

[MikeOboe57]

[...]

The evidence is in fact that PM Yingluck is repeatedly driving her ministers to root out Thailand’s endemic corruption.

So "the clone" of the Master of Corruption pulls off a little show and you fall for it?

[Ricardo]

Some of the comments on this topic are seriously irresponsible.

The fact that reporters find sources that make assertions of impropriety by the current government and it’s administration and actually believe those unsupported remarks as fact, is infantile.

My God! they could even have drafted by the authors of todays comments.

<snip for brevity.

So when the Finance Minister says that "corruption in both public and private sectors is endemic", as he was quoted saying recently, that's an unsupported and infantile remark, which they should not believe ?

Or perhaps yet another 'little white lie' by the FM !

[nurofiend]

There seems to be something in the Bangkok Post and The Nation every single day the past six months about one area or another where there is government corruption suspected. Much more so since the present administration came into power than the previous. The amount of corruption here in Thailand must be staggering if even 1/3 of it was true.

Cent

it's like fox news... who are they going to report more favourably? most know the answer to that.

who are the nation and bp going to report more favourably? we all know the answer to that.

and just a little preemptive strike to the forum frothers - no i'm not saying there is no corruption now.

Edited August 25, 2012 by nurofiend

[Pops]

As public servants shouldn't they have to report wrongdoing with public funds??? This is criminal behavior, you can't just sit on the info until it suits you.

The Democrats have to investigate first, how much knowledge and proof Phua Thai might have of the wrongdoings with public funds during its own reign, before they can safely report wrongdoings of Phua Thai of course.

[ramrod711]

It would be nice if Yingluck is trying to clean things up. The problem is that it's a bit hard to take her seriously when she is using every underhanded trick in the book to get her brother, his money and her 900,000,000Baht back.

[ramrod711]

As public servants shouldn't they have to report wrongdoing with public funds??? This is criminal behavior, you can't just sit on the info until it suits you.

The Democrats have to investigate first, how much knowledge and proof Phua Thai might have of the wrongdoings with public funds during its own reign, before they can safely report wrongdoings of Phua Thai of course.

You are probably correct, to an extent. I was impressed when abhisit was PM, by his statement that corruption was costing the government 30%. Every government project or contract with a 30% surcharge! As I recall he didn't claim that his government was doing any better, he just stated the staggering cost to the people.

[slapout]

Well when you budget 30 to 45 million to have events, to tell people about your programs to help them???, you spend 7 million for the first one in Bangkok and your planning the same 'dog and pony show' in all provences, it would appear they need to get rid of the people who projected expenses, and the people who arranged the event. This may not leave anyone to explain things to the public, but they willprobably tell 'little white lies' anyway.

When you consider the government is also proposing giving advice to the tax payer/citizens on " how to manage their individual finances", and the way this project is starting, and their 1 year history, they reenforce the old warning, "Its only 10% of the people who make life a misery for the other 90%.".

[JoeLing]

Wouldn't a TV campain in between the soap operas be more

effective and cost less then this road shows?

Suppose the people would suddently know how to claim benefits

and that would leave the treasury with less to ......

How ever it would be done, I think it still would cost the same,

just a bit more for the "Elites Privat Pension Fund".

Edited August 25, 2012 by JoeLing

[hellodolly]

Meanwhile, government spokesperson Sansanee Nakpong said yesterday between Bt30 million to Bt45 million would be spent organizing events in all provinces nationwide over the next two days titled "Government meeting the people: funds for better quality of life".

They would be exhibitions of various government funds so that people know how to access money to improve their quality of life, the spokeswoman said.

How much is the handout for those who attend these “medicine shows”?

Not only that will it be in simple enough form for the people to understand it. Or just present as a we are going to do this and you will be rich scheme.

[hellodolly]

Some of the comments on this topic are seriously irresponsible.

The fact that reporters find sources that make assertions of impropriety by the current government and it’s administration and actually believe those unsupported remarks as fact, is infantile.

My God! they could even have drafted by the authors of todays comments.

Thailand is awash with corruption and has been during all of my twenty years of association and residence with this country.

During the post Taksin period there seems to have been a steady increase in losses that may be attributable to corruption. Especially since 2008 after which merchants experience slipping profits at a time when graft was becoming easier.

The fact is that during the periods of weakness of the military government and that of PM Abhisit those temped to corrupt the system had endless opportunities to do so.

If you believe that the escalation of corruption thse past four years is due to PM Yingluck's government then you are naive beyond belief. Note they were not in power.

The evidence is in fact that PM Yingluck is repeatedly driving her ministers to root out Thailand’s endemic corruption.

You might want to check who is naive. Thaksin a nd his predacesors were hit by a world wide economy down fall. Thaksin rode n a wave of world wide economy.

If Yingluck is doing so good why did she have to transfer off a old debt from 1998 so she could borrow more money.

For computers with out electricity. She dosen't talk about them because it would mean doing some thing sensible.

Even with the world economy plummeting and the red shirts doing terrorism and stuck with a bunch of supporter who would pull there support if Abhist had not conceded to some of there demands he got things done The problem is they were the rite things to do. Projects that would still be benefiting long after they were gone.

You are absolutely clueless as to what Abhist had to do to accomplish the little he did do. Give Abhist 52% of the seats with out having to award parties just because they join them seats in the cabinet with no qualifications is ludacries,

They owe no one any thing they can do what they want to do. Just think of what would have happened if the Democrats would have that power.

[rics21]

Corruption is the source of income for thai MPs. Its common, their salaries r only enough for their maids/ mistress.

I realised most Thai visa members r supportive of the Democrats or critics to thaksin.

I guess it's just a personal opinion, its not about the performance nor the capability of the government.

Google about the massive increase of wealth of newin/ mark/ suthep during the democrats government. And the projects approved during the recent yingluck government, corruption is just as rampant.

I guess we should be more supportive of chuwit who is more likely to have new directives/ laws to approve bars/ massage parlours to operate for 24 hrs.

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[rics21]

Some of the comments on this topic are seriously irresponsible.

The fact that reporters find sources that make assertions of impropriety by the current government and its administration and actually believe those unsupported remarks as fact, is infantile.

My God! they could even have drafted by the authors of todays comments.

Thailand is awash with corruption and has been during all of my twenty years of association and residence with this country.

During the post Taksin period there seems to have been a steady increase in losses that may be attributable to corruption. Especially since 2008 after which merchants experience slipping profits at a time when graft was becoming easier.

The fact is that during the periods of weakness of the military government and that of PM Abhisit those temped to corrupt the system had endless opportunities to do so.

If you believe that the escalation of corruption thse past four years is due to PM Yingluck's government then you are naive beyond belief. Note they were not in power.

The evidence is in fact that PM Yingluck is repeatedly driving her ministers to root out Thailands endemic corruption.

You might want to check who is naive. Thaksin a nd his predacesors were hit by a world wide economy down fall. Thaksin rode n a wave of world wide economy.

If Yingluck is doing so good why did she have to transfer off a old debt from 1998 so she could borrow more money.

For computers with out electricity. She dosen't talk about them because it would mean doing some thing sensible.

Even with the world economy plummeting and the red shirts doing terrorism and stuck with a bunch of supporter who would pull there support if Abhist had not conceded to some of there demands he got things done The problem is they were the rite things to do. Projects that would still be benefiting long after they were gone.

You are absolutely clueless as to what Abhist had to do to accomplish the little he did do. Give Abhist 52% of the seats with out having to award parties just because they join them seats in the cabinet with no qualifications is ludacries,

They owe no one any thing they can do what they want to do. Just think of what would have happened if the Democrats would have that power.

I guess u r dreaming. The democrats will never have votes of 52%. The south and the minimal votes of the central provinces r not enough to give them anything close to that.

Anyway, mark is not capable enough to handle a country like this.

His lack of judgement during the red shirt terrorist attack has proved of his weakness as a leader. (Any president or prime minister will precede to address the nation during the process of the red shirt crackdown, but he, made a hero out of an army colonel).

Without a party majority in the government, capability as a leader and the lack of the true power to control the ministers from other parties/ democrats, it is impossible for him to get elected as a TRUE prime minister.

The democrats' thai Kem keang policies made tons of money for the senior democrats leaders.

He is just another puppet working for the aging democrats leaders who made their livehood out of corruption.

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Edited August 25, 2012 by rics21