Thai Foreign Ministry Responds To Ombudsman Over Passport For Thaksin

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Foreign Ministry responds to Ombudsman over passport for Thaksin

The Nation

BANGKOK: -- Doubts have emerged over whether the passport given to former prime minister Thaksin Shinawatra will be revoked.

The passport allocated to the ex-PM has been the source of huge controversy, because of his status as a fugitive from the Thai justice system.

It was revealed yesterday that the Foreign Ministry sent a written explanation to the Ombudsman's Office, reportedly countering a recommendation by the latter to revoke the travel document.

Foreign Ministry spokesman Manasvi Srisodapol said the note was sent to the Ombudsman's Office, but he declined to reveal details in the response. Yesterday was the end of a 30-day extension sought by the ministry for it to respond to the Ombudsman's call for the passport controversially issued to Thaksin to be revoked.

Thaksin's passport was initially revoked when he fled Thailand in late 2008 to escape a two-year jail sentence after being convicted of malfeasance over the purchase of a prime block of government land by him and his former wife. The Foreign Ministry, under the Thaksin-backed Pheu Thai government, reissued it, which prompted an outcry by Thaksin's opponents.

-- The Nation 2012-11-13

[Moruya]

Whatever next from the selected lawbreakers?

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[Buchholz]

Presuming the Cousin's Foreign Ministry's reasons are "unacceptable" in this straight-forward violation of Foreign Ministry's own rules, let the inevitable protracted delay begin.

Chalermsak Chantaratim, Secretary-General of the Ombudsman's Office, said that if the ombudsman finds the ministry's reasons unacceptable, Prime Minister Yingluck Shinawatra would be asked to intervene.

Should Yingluck decide to side with the Foreign Ministry, then the government's defiant behaviour will be taken to Parliament, Chalermsak said.

Should both the government and the legislature decide to let Thaksin continue holding a Thai passport, the ombudsman will then seek a judicial review from the Administrative Court, he said.

So when his cousin doesn't revoke his passport, they'll ask his sister to revoke it, and when she doesn't revoke it, they'll ask his political party to revoke it.

Save the three year processing time of the above and go directly to the court review.

[hellodolly]

Interesting

The Foreign Ministry can't even rely on them selves for dealings with foreign countries they have to send Yingluck.

But they know how best to deal with a convicted criminal.

[Baerboxer]

Lunatics running the assylum. Who care about laws and constitutions. If you're democratically eleceted you can do what you want, just please yourself. Foreign leaders welcome this regime so everything must be good. Didn't Mugabe and Saddam Hussein start off like this? Get elected, followed by extreme nepotism and cronyism, self-delusional meglamania. Oh what fun to come.

[Keesters]

Keep up the good work Mr. Ombudsman. Revoke the passport that should never have been issued and replace it with a travel document valid for travel to a Thai jail only.

[otherstuff1957]

Somehow I wouldn't be surprised if Thailand gets a new Ombudsman soon!

[coma]

Foreign Ministry spokesman Manasvi Srisodapol said the note was sent to the Ombudsman's Office, but he declined to reveal details in the response

It probably goes along the line of " back off or you will lose your job, life or both.

[Buchholz]

Foreign Ministry spokesman Manasvi Srisodapol said the note was sent to the Ombudsman's Office, but he declined to reveal details in the response

It probably goes along the line of " back off or you will lose your job, life or both.

They could just send a single photo to get their message across

[Nickymaster]

Lunatics running the assylum. Who care about laws and constitutions. If you're democratically eleceted you can do what you want, just please yourself. Foreign leaders welcome this regime so everything must be good. Didn't Mugabe and Saddam Hussein start off like this? Get elected, followed by extreme nepotism and cronyism, self-delusional meglamania. Oh what fun to come.

"Oh what fun to come"

Hold tight, we're almost there.

Edited November 13, 2012 by Nickymaster

[Thai at Heart]

Lunatics running the assylum. Who care about laws and constitutions. If you're democratically eleceted you can do what you want, just please yourself. Foreign leaders welcome this regime so everything must be good. Didn't Mugabe and Saddam Hussein start off like this? Get elected, followed by extreme nepotism and cronyism, self-delusional meglamania. Oh what fun to come.

"Oh what fun to come"

Hold tight, we're almost there.

I think you are right. It can't keep going like this for much longer. I don't like it, but i can almost smell the diesel going into the troop carriers.

[OzMick]

Lunatics running the assylum. Who care about laws and constitutions. If you're democratically eleceted you can do what you want, just please yourself. Foreign leaders welcome this regime so everything must be good. Didn't Mugabe and Saddam Hussein start off like this? Get elected, followed by extreme nepotism and cronyism, self-delusional meglamania. Oh what fun to come.

"Oh what fun to come"

Hold tight, we're almost there.

I think you are right. It can't keep going like this for much longer. I don't like it, but i can almost smell the diesel going into the troop carriers.

Really start to worry when you smell them mixing it with palm oil.

[Thai at Heart]

Lunatics running the assylum. Who care about laws and constitutions. If you're democratically eleceted you can do what you want, just please yourself. Foreign leaders welcome this regime so everything must be good. Didn't Mugabe and Saddam Hussein start off like this? Get elected, followed by extreme nepotism and cronyism, self-delusional meglamania. Oh what fun to come.

"Oh what fun to come"

Hold tight, we're almost there.

I think you are right. It can't keep going like this for much longer. I don't like it, but i can almost smell the diesel going into the troop carriers.

Really start to worry when you smell them mixing it with palm oil.

Suthep getting his cut in early?

[s3it]

Before beeing carried away lets just remember, that if, there was equal right between men and women, in thailand, Thaksin would not have been judged.

According to Thai law, the husbond has to approve financial movement from his wife. He signed for his wife, and was sentenced 2 year in prison,

the prime minister should try to make equal rights for men and woman in thailand. If the ancient law of women who can not use there fortune without asking there husbond, was removed, Thaksin could get a pardon, becourse of judment from an undemocratic rule which should have been abandoned a century ago.

In 2006 Thailand was number 40 of 135 countries with discrimination of woman, from 2006 it rose to 76 place, in compagny with Uganda and Tanzania.

LET THE WOMEN BE FREE IN THAILAND lets have democratic equality between the gender.

s3it

[metisdead]

Yawn!

Is not a valid contribution, nobody is forcing you to read this topic, if it is not of interest to you, move along and find something that interests you rather than post nonsense such as this.

[hellodolly]

Before beeing carried away lets just remember, that if, there was equal right between men and women, in thailand, Thaksin would not have been judged.

According to Thai law, the husbond has to approve financial movement from his wife. He signed for his wife, and was sentenced 2 year in prison,

the prime minister should try to make equal rights for men and woman in thailand. If the ancient law of women who can not use there fortune without asking there husbond, was removed, Thaksin could get a pardon, becourse of judment from an undemocratic rule which should have been abandoned a century ago.

In 2006 Thailand was number 40 of 135 countries with discrimination of woman, from 2006 it rose to 76 place, in compagny with Uganda and Tanzania.

LET THE WOMEN BE FREE IN THAILAND lets have democratic equality between the gender.

s3it

The laws will appear just as soon as the Government can figure out how to make money off the.

Now go sit in the corner and hold your breath.

[Crushdepth]

Before beeing carried away lets just remember, that if, there was equal right between men and women, in thailand, Thaksin would not have been judged.

According to Thai law, the husbond has to approve financial movement from his wife. He signed for his wife, and was sentenced 2 year in prison,

the prime minister should try to make equal rights for men and woman in thailand. If the ancient law of women who can not use there fortune without asking there husbond, was removed, Thaksin could get a pardon, becourse of judment from an undemocratic rule which should have been abandoned a century ago.

In 2006 Thailand was number 40 of 135 countries with discrimination of woman, from 2006 it rose to 76 place, in compagny with Uganda and Tanzania.

LET THE WOMEN BE FREE IN THAILAND lets have democratic equality between the gender.

s3it

Unless the husband is a farang. Then its 'screw you, buddy'.

[waza]

Before beeing carried away lets just remember, that if, there was equal right between men and women, in thailand, Thaksin would not have been judged.

According to Thai law, the husbond has to approve financial movement from his wife. He signed for his wife, and was sentenced 2 year in prison,

the prime minister should try to make equal rights for men and woman in thailand. If the ancient law of women who can not use there fortune without asking there husbond, was removed, Thaksin could get a pardon, becourse of judment from an undemocratic rule which should have been abandoned a century ago.

In 2006 Thailand was number 40 of 135 countries with discrimination of woman, from 2006 it rose to 76 place, in compagny with Uganda and Tanzania.

LET THE WOMEN BE FREE IN THAILAND lets have democratic equality between the gender.

s3it

I guess your right, so he committed the crime for which he was convicted because hes a feminist?

Edited November 13, 2012 by waza

[Buchholz]

Before beeing carried away lets just remember, that if, there was equal right between men and women, in thailand, Thaksin would not have been judged.

According to Thai law, the husbond has to approve financial movement from his wife. He signed for his wife, and was sentenced 2 year in prison,

the prime minister should try to make equal rights for men and woman in thailand. If the ancient law of women who can not use there fortune without asking there husbond, was removed, Thaksin could get a pardon, becourse of judment from an undemocratic rule which should have been abandoned a century ago.

In 2006 Thailand was number 40 of 135 countries with discrimination of woman, from 2006 it rose to 76 place, in compagny with Uganda and Tanzania.

LET THE WOMEN BE FREE IN THAILAND lets have democratic equality between the gender.

s3it

unfortunately for women, in order for women's rights to progress in Thailand, a PM who is concerned about the issue is needed...

Thailand's first female PM no victory for feminism

BANGKOK — Thailand is set to get its first female premier in Yingluck Shinawatra, but observers say her victory as her famous brother's political proxy cannot be seen as a milestone for women's rights. Virtually unknown just two months ago, Yingluck led the Puea Thai party to a stunning victory Sunday, but she largely owes her meteoric rise to her fugitive brother, ex-premier Thaksin Shinawatra, who controls the party from abroad.

As a result, Thai feminists are reluctant to claim Yingluck's poll win as a triumph for equality, saying her victory is less about breaking glass ceilings and more about riding on the coat-tails of a man.

"How can we be proud? The whole world knows it's about Thaksin," said Sutada Mekrungruengkul, Director of the Gender and Development Research Institute (GDRI) of Thailand.

http://www.google.com/hostednews/afp/article/ALeqM5j6-VsPp6YEJtT9rU8VIlSE_8kpWA?docId=CNG.75d5258f5bb1820efad4d0fc96ffb530.b1

Meanwhile, on the specific issue of this topic, we await for the same PM to step in and correct the illegality of actions aimed at helping her brother which were committed by their mutual cousin.

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[yoshiwara]

Before beeing carried away lets just remember, that if, there was equal right between men and women, in thailand, Thaksin would not have been judged.

According to Thai law, the husbond has to approve financial movement from his wife. He signed for his wife, and was sentenced 2 year in prison,

the prime minister should try to make equal rights for men and woman in thailand. If the ancient law of women who can not use there fortune without asking there husbond, was removed, Thaksin could get a pardon, becourse of judment from an undemocratic rule which should have been abandoned a century ago.

In 2006 Thailand was number 40 of 135 countries with discrimination of woman, from 2006 it rose to 76 place, in compagny with Uganda and Tanzania.

LET THE WOMEN BE FREE IN THAILAND lets have democratic equality between the gender.

s3it

Unfortunately this does not wash because Thaksin used his family to launder funds. It wasn't the case that his family used his signature to commit crimes. The above a bizarre attempt to free Thaksin by throwing his wife under the bus. Next you will be telling us that they got a divorce because Thaksin felt that his wife let him down.

[OzMick]

Before beeing carried away lets just remember, that if, there was equal right between men and women, in thailand, Thaksin would not have been judged.

According to Thai law, the husbond has to approve financial movement from his wife. He signed for his wife, and was sentenced 2 year in prison,

the prime minister should try to make equal rights for men and woman in thailand. If the ancient law of women who can not use there fortune without asking there husbond, was removed, Thaksin could get a pardon, becourse of judment from an undemocratic rule which should have been abandoned a century ago.

In 2006 Thailand was number 40 of 135 countries with discrimination of woman, from 2006 it rose to 76 place, in compagny with Uganda and Tanzania.

LET THE WOMEN BE FREE IN THAILAND lets have democratic equality between the gender.

s3it

Can you tell me of any country with laws prohibiting sales of government assets to public officials which would allow them to be sold to a spouse?

You are throwing up a spurious and strawman argument. Married couples hold assets in common - in Thailand a husband and wife are the same legal entity. If you are married to a Thai and don't know what that means, I wish you luck because you surely need it.

[bigbamboo]

Before beeing carried away lets just remember, that if, there was equal right between men and women, in thailand, Thaksin would not have been judged.

According to Thai law, the husbond has to approve financial movement from his wife. He signed for his wife, and was sentenced 2 year in prison,

the prime minister should try to make equal rights for men and woman in thailand. If the ancient law of women who can not use there fortune without asking there husbond, was removed, Thaksin could get a pardon, becourse of judment from an undemocratic rule which should have been abandoned a century ago.

In 2006 Thailand was number 40 of 135 countries with discrimination of woman, from 2006 it rose to 76 place, in compagny with Uganda and Tanzania.

LET THE WOMEN BE FREE IN THAILAND lets have democratic equality between the gender.

s3it

Can you tell me of any country with laws prohibiting sales of government assets to public officials which would allow them to be sold to a spouse?

You are throwing up a spurious and strawman argument. Married couples hold assets in common - in Thailand a husband and wife are the same legal entity. If you are married to a Thai and don't know what that means, I wish you luck because you surely need it.

Zimbabwe?

[RubbaJohnny]

Could those more enlightened up the 8 fold path which is alleged to guide ,can bad karma be changed retro actively.

The disticntion between accountable albeit imperfect judicial systems like EU andUSA is one has to obey the laws as they are the time.Sure change them but not retrospectively.Theresa May's frustration with Mr Qatada is a good example of a regime folowing the rules however distasteful.

This implies honesty ,integrity,be prepared to lose cash,face and position if found by impartial legal system to be wrong.

One of the least plesant aspects of cash loving token ~Thai Bhuddist name,Chinese clan on their real business Tcheow Chow moneylenders is there immorality treatment of host country as slaves to exploit and total shame faced lying when caught.

A compliant press and corrupt enforcement meas it will continue until they are permanently removed.

Edited November 14, 2012 by RubbaJohnny

[Buchholz]

BANGKOK: -- Doubts have emerged over whether the passport given to former prime minister Thaksin Shinawatra will be revoked.

The passport allocated to the ex-PM has been the source of huge controversy, because of his status as a fugitive from the Thai justice system.

It was revealed yesterday that the Foreign Ministry sent a written explanation to the Ombudsman's Office, reportedly countering a recommendation by the latter to revoke the travel document.

Foreign Ministry spokesman Manasvi Srisodapol said the note was sent to the Ombudsman's Office, but he declined to reveal details in the response. Yesterday was the end of a 30-day extension sought by the ministry for it to respond to the Ombudsman's call for the passport controversially issued to Thaksin to be revoked.

Whatever the contents of the Cousin Foreign Minister's letter to Ombudsman Office were, it appears to be inadequate as of today.

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Edited February 14, 2013 by Buchholz

[Buchholz]

BANGKOK: -- Doubts have emerged over whether the passport given to former prime minister Thaksin Shinawatra will be revoked.

The passport allocated to the ex-PM has been the source of huge controversy, because of his status as a fugitive from the Thai justice system.

It was revealed yesterday that the Foreign Ministry sent a written explanation to the Ombudsman's Office, reportedly countering a recommendation by the latter to revoke the travel document.

Foreign Ministry spokesman Manasvi Srisodapol said the note was sent to the Ombudsman's Office, but he declined to reveal details in the response. Yesterday was the end of a 30-day extension sought by the ministry for it to respond to the Ombudsman's call for the passport controversially issued to Thaksin to be revoked.

Whatever the contents of the Cousin Foreign Minister's letter to Ombudsman Office were, it appears to be inadequate as today it was revealed that the Ombudsman Office is applying pressure to Prime Minister Yingluck to come up with a justifiable excuse for not revoking the passport.

Ombudsman Sriracha Charoenphanich has written a letter to Yingluck on Tuesday in which it was urged that she review the decision to issue a new passport to her brother as it violates the Foreign Ministry's own rules.

Sadly, in his letter, an additional 30 days was given to her to respond (which is on top of the 30 days that was already granted above to Yingluck's Cousin) and which is an addition to the 3 months since the Ombudsman Office originally ruled the issuance was illegal and that his new passport should be revoked.

Ombudsman threatens to take Thaksin passport issue to court

Posted 2012-10-11

http://www.thaivisa....issue-to-court/

which was followed up by

U-Turn Seen On Thaksin Passport

Posted 2012-10-13

http://www.thaivisa....aksin-passport/

and which led still further to the next one...

this thread in which the above U-Turn has done another U-Turn.

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Edited February 14, 2013 by Buchholz

[Buchholz]

Ombudsman hands Foreign Ministry ultimatum over Thaksin's passport

The Office of the Ombudsman has stepped up pressure on Prime Minister Yingluck Shinawatra to heed its recommendation that former Prime Minister Thaksin Shinawatra's passport be recalled, Ombudsman spokesman Raksakecha Chaechai said yesterday.

Acting on a complaint filed by Somsak Kosaisuk, a former leader of the People's Alliance for Democracy, the Ombudsman's Office submitted a recommendation on September 13 last year that the Foreign Ministry review Thaksin's passport status, as issuance to a convicted felon was illegal.

The Foreign Ministry, which must respond to the Ombudsman within 30 days, in mid-October requested another 30 days to collect information on the issuance.

Since it had not heard from the Ministry since, Raksakecha said his office on Tuesday submitted a letter to the PM asking her to instruct the Foreign Ministry to heed its recommendation.

If the Foreign Ministry ignores or rejects the recommendation, Raksakecha said, the Ombudsman would report the matter to Parliament in order to obtain a full disclosure of the regulations on passport issuance, and whether the ministry had followed these regulations.

Asked if he believed Yingluck would instruct that her own brother's passport be revoked, Raksakecha said the PM must exercise her own judgement.

In a related development, a report claimed that Thaksin's personal jet had landed at Mae Fah Luang-Chiang Rai International Airport yesterday, and that Thaksin was staying overnight at a local luxury resort.

The former PM's legal advisor Noppadon Pattama was quick to dismiss the report as groundless, saying Thaksin was actually in Dubai.

-- The Nation 2013-02-15

[Buchholz]

Posted 2012-11-13

It was revealed yesterday that the Foreign Ministry sent a written explanation to the Ombudsman's Office, reportedly countering a recommendation by the latter to revoke the travel document.

Foreign Ministry spokesman Manasvi Srisodapol said the note was sent to the Ombudsman's Office, but he declined to reveal details

No wonder the Foreign Minister didn't reveal the details of the letter.... it was blank.

Either that or it was another Yingluck administration "White Lie" and it was never sent in the first place....

the Ombudsman's Office submitted a recommendation on September 13 last year that the Foreign Ministry review Thaksin's passport status

The Foreign Ministry, which must respond to the Ombudsman within 30 days, in mid-October requested another 30 days to collect information on the issuance.

Since it had not heard from the Ministry since, Raksakecha said his office on Tuesday submitted a letter to the PM asking her to instruct the Foreign Ministry to heed its recommendation.

[Robby nz]

Do they have an inactive post for Ombudsman?

[Buchholz]

Two faces of dishonesty ride together....

former Prime Minister and his cousin, the current Foreign Minister

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[Buchholz]

Do they have an inactive post for Ombudsman?

As Kornthep Viriya discovered, going against the Shinawatra clan can have even much more dire consequences....

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Edited February 14, 2013 by Buchholz