THIS IS NOT ANY RELIGIOUS PERSICUTION, ONLY A SIMPLE QUESTION I LIKE TO SEE HOW OTHERS FEEL???

IMO, YES all can live together but only with an open mind, and with the idear of freedom to thinking as you may,BUT as long as you do not push onto others your way of thinking...

Given the amount of religious conflict at present in the world obviously not.

The Dude says not Thai related and predicts a closure any second. dig?

Only in Pattaya. People who live there have their priorities in the proper order. This can be demonstrated by a brief walk from Second avenue to Walking street and the Soi's inbetween; around midnight is good.

When you find a person who does not like Pattaya you can assume they will not be able to coexist with others who are not exactly like themselves.

The last time a place like Pattaya existed it was destroyed by a religious sect I heard, something about sali....

Go and spend some time in a theocratic dictatorship where there are no public libraries and any freedom of expression and thinking are banned, then you will have your answer.

The Dude says not Thai related and predicts a closure any second. dig?

That's ggggggggggggggrrrrrrreeeeeeaaaaatttttttt.

The Dude says not Thai related and predicts a closure any second. dig?

You probably thought I was trying to be a comic but all the types mentioned get along in Pattaya with no problems. The answer is no sexual tension. I know of no other city where this is the case. You can find all the people mentioned in the OP within two blocks of each on any night in Pattaya with no problems.

BUT as long as you do not push onto others your way of thinking

Religious belief would quickly die out if its only means of propagation was removed.

The Dude says not Thai related and predicts a closure any second. dig?

Or be moved to Outside The Box.Remove organised religion from our dealings with one another and most of us would get along quite well.

Only when everybody accepts that other peoples religion is their own private affair and stop trying to force others to adhere to the belief / superstition they themselves have chosen or been born in to

The Dude says not Thai related and predicts a closure any second. dig?

Or be moved to Outside The Box.Remove organised religion from our dealings with one another and most of us would get along quite well.

I don't agree. There are Mosques, Wats and chruches in Pattaya no problems. The same for restaurants, Thai, Islam and every other kind of food. People interact with little trouble.

To answer the OP.............NO!!

All wars and conflicts have been based on religion.......which is brain washing to the extreme, from childhood to idiot-hood.

I have no time whatsoever for religious freaks and extremists.....I live my life the way that makes me happy and I don't want to harm others, but I am happy to shake hands with others who are easy going and have no hang-ups and have basic intelligence.

But then again, I do know people who have a good education and still believe in a book written by charlatans.....ah well, that's why we are are all different.

Cheers.

One could write theses and books on this -- and indded many have. To be brief and to the point (and lazy and oversimplified):

First of all, the various religions are mutually exclusive and ultimately contradictory. if you are a believer then by definition your religion s the truth and the others are not. If you genuinely attempt to adhere to its precepts, you can't truly accept the validity or genuinely tolerate the existence of the others.

Secondly, they are bound to be divisive at best and violently antagonistic at worst.

Thirdly, humans wouldn't all get along even without religions (or other beliefs in the supernatural).

Only in Pattaya. People who live there have their priorities in the proper order. This can be demonstrated by a brief walk from Second avenue to Walking street and the Soi's inbetween; around midnight is good.

When you find a person who does not like Pattaya you can assume they will not be able to coexist with others who are not exactly like themselves.

The last time a place like Pattaya existed it was destroyed by a religious sect I heard, something about sali....

That's a good post. It' all about tolerance.

Yes!

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The Dude says not Thai related and predicts a closure any second. dig?

Or be moved to Outside The Box.Remove organised religion from our dealings with one another and most of us would get along quite well.

I don't agree. There are Mosques, Wats and chruches in Pattaya no problems. The same for restaurants, Thai, Islam and every other kind of food. People interact with little trouble.

Errm, OK, but I don`t know if the human race should use Pattaya as the authoritive model for humanity to govern ourselves. The sexual tension point you made was reasonable, however.

Only in Pattaya. People who live there have their priorities in the proper order. This can be demonstrated by a brief walk from Second avenue to Walking street and the Soi's inbetween; around midnight is good.

When you find a person who does not like Pattaya you can assume they will not be able to coexist with others who are not exactly like themselves.

The last time a place like Pattaya existed it was destroyed by a religious sect I heard, something about sali....

That's a good post. It' all about tolerance.

During the Vietnam war there was another city somewhat the same. Americans, Australians and the Viet Cong all shared Vung Tau for R&R.

The Dude says not Thai related and predicts a closure any second. dig?

Or be moved to Outside The Box.Remove organised religion from our dealings with one another and most of us would get along quite well.

I don't agree. There are Mosques, Wats and chruches in Pattaya no problems. The same for restaurants, Thai, Islam and every other kind of food. People interact with little trouble.

Errm, OK, but I don`t know if the human race should use Pattaya as the authoritive model for humanity to govern ourselves. The sexual tension point you made was reasonable, however.

Agreed on both counts.

There are Mosques, Wats and chruches in Pattaya no problems. The same for restaurants, Thai, Islam and every other kind of food. People interact with little trouble.

Sorry but that's silly. You think the existence of Pattaya or what goes on there somehow negates thousands of years of history not to mention contemporary geopolitical realities and sectarianism?

Moreover, do you not realize that merely claiming to be a Christian or Buddhist (et al) doesn't mean you truly live as one? Are you unaware of hypocrisy? What about "sin" and subsequent repentance? (Do you think that the 19 Muslims who partied hard in strip joints before flying those planes on their one way trip 11 years ago were more tolerant because they partied where there were Christians?)

Places of worship and multicultural restaurants in Pattaya -- that's your case for the certain possibility of religious coexistence?

I don't mean this as an insult (though i doubt you'll believe that) but I have to ask in case I'm foolishly taking you seriously: are you joking?

To answer the OP.............NO!!

All wars and conflicts have been based on religion.......

Wow. I didn't see that one. No offense but you seriously need to do some reading (at least watch the History Channel s couple times or something).

I'm not sure it stops at religion . and it depends on what you mean by living together ...... In america whites and blacks live seperatly usually divided by a railroad line in many places , they live in tolerance of each other but thats about it. You find very few places where their is a equal mix of anything , people tend to associate with people like themselves , as mentioned in Pattaya the muslims are generally in bars with other muslims not in some equal distribution at thai bars along with the russians and irish. People congregate with people like themselves most of the time, it's income related , religion , skin color , ect , a combination of all of that.

People can live with differing cultures as long as nothing bad happens , but the moment some rouge group of people X do some bad act the people who are not of brand X will distance themselves from that group , at least for a time. Look at how a couple of dozen muslims changed overnight how many americans viewed everyone wearing a turban even if they are from india and not even muslims ! My point is that if everything is going along just fine people can tolerate difference but when that stops they revert back to a more tribal nature.

So my answer is that inevetably some bad act or bad acts will happen and the peace stops for a period of time and then reletive clam happens and then it starts all over again. So it just depends on what point in time you are looking at it , but if you look at things over a long period of time you will find that people with major difference in anything don't get along especially well. The degree in which is leads to violence seems to me to be in direct relation to the amount of education and freedom people think they have , if they feel free to complain and are smart enough to overcome their problems it's less , when they feel boxed in and their only idea for solution is to fight they do that.

Will the world ever be educated and free enough so everyone gets along just fine ? No because people band together to gain advantage over others policically and financially , people have moral opinions that will forever be in conflict , people have opinions on how the world should be run and who should run it , opinions on who God is and how to please him , and so on.

Given the amount of religious conflict at present in the world obviously not.

What do you mean by "present"?

It is possible. Provided one unrealistic condition was respected.

If religion was kept where it should be - a strictly private matter - it wouldn't interfere with other people's life.

Religious convictions have zero validity out of their community. It is a primitive remain to have laws, behaviors, speech... dictated by religions.

Any believer should understand that other people have no more reasons to be interested in their convictions than in their sexual habits.

It means that if they find some sympathizers, nice for them and go enjoy together. Further than this, better they keep this topic for themselves.

Lennon got it right

ill answer and then move to farang pub...

four times between friday and saturday last, i had to run to a bomb shelter with orthodox religious jews, myslef, some christian foreign tourists, and our house keeping crew, predominantly religous (head covering) women... we all had to sit together (and discuss recipes in the interim) until the all clear...

but on a broader scale: no. every religiuon tries to over power any other religious, and withing every relgioun there are lots of sects (those are sects not sex) that all procaim to be the real thing....

just come to jerusalem some time to see how many different sects of judaism (who dont get along with eachother), christianity (five different sects in the same famous church, all fighting about who gets the area with the alter) ans islam (different sects and levels even in the same village and not everyone is so tolerant)...

bina

The more inportant question is do people WANT to live together and the answer is no ....... why would they ? Do you want to live in a place with people you enjoy and have things in common with, or a place where people don't like you and have nothing in common with your beliefs ? What modern people say about tolerance and respect is contrairy to their behavior. Most of them are all talk but still keep to themselves. Ask your average suburban white person who claims to have nothing against black people when the last time they had a black family over for dinner was ...... the answer more often than not will be never.

I'm not sure it stops at religion . and it depends on what you mean by living together ...... In america whites and blacks live seperatly usually divided by a railroad line in many places , they live in tolerance of each other but thats about it. You find very few places where their is a equal mix of anything , people tend to associate with people like themselves , as mentioned in Pattaya the muslims are generally in bars with other muslims not in some equal distribution at thai bars along with the russians and irish. People congregate with people like themselves most of the time, it's income related , religion , skin color , ect , a combination of all of that.

People can live with differing cultures as long as nothing bad happens , but the moment some rouge group of people X do some bad act the people who are not of brand X will distance themselves from that group , at least for a time. Look at how a couple of dozen muslims changed overnight how many americans viewed everyone wearing a turban even if they are from india and not even muslims ! My point is that if everything is going along just fine people can tolerate difference but when that stops they revert back to a more tribal nature.

So my answer is that inevetably some bad act or bad acts will happen and the peace stops for a period of time and then reletive clam happens and then it starts all over again. So it just depends on what point in time you are looking at it , but if you look at things over a long period of time you will find that people with major difference in anything don't get along especially well. The degree in which is leads to violence seems to me to be in direct relation to the amount of education and freedom people think they have , if they feel free to complain and are smart enough to overcome their problems it's less , when they feel boxed in and their only idea for solution is to fight they do that.

Will the world ever be educated and free enough so everyone gets along just fine ? No because people band together to gain advantage over others policically and financially , people have moral opinions that will forever be in conflict , people have opinions on how the world should be run and who should run it , opinions on who God is and how to please him , and so on.

Well said....I don't often agree with your posts.....but this time you have hit the nail on the head.

Cheers.

I believe all peoples of different races and religions are capable of living together in peace and harmony.

The problem is that there are too many extremists and hate mongers against one group or another always trying to throw a spanner into the works and although these extremists are very much in the minority, they still inflict the most amount of damage with they’re propaganda in the media, the infiltrating of the Internet, such as Utube comments and hate sites and then the problems arise that the more publicity and media expose these groups gain, than sooner or later their hate messages begin to seep through and people start believing this trash and taking in what they say as fact.

Yes it is possible.

I lived in Gibraltar for a while and the place is in some ways a microcosm of society. Jews, Christians and Moslems living side by side, they don't need an enemy amongst themselves as they have a common enemy in the Spanish. On their respective day of worship one of the other religions would look after their shops/businesses for them. Man needs to seem to need an "enemy" and if you can select one outside your society then you society then has a common goal.

There are Mosques, Wats and chruches in Pattaya no problems. The same for restaurants, Thai, Islam and every other kind of food. People interact with little trouble.

Sorry but that's silly. You think the existence of Pattaya or what goes on there somehow negates thousands of years of history not to mention contemporary geopolitical realities and sectarianism?

Moreover, do you not realize that merely claiming to be a Christian or Buddhist (et al) doesn't mean you truly live as one? Are you unaware of hypocrisy? What about "sin" and subsequent repentance? (Do you think that the 19 Muslims who partied hard in strip joints before flying those planes on their one way trip 11 years ago were more tolerant because they partied where there were Christians?)

Places of worship and multicultural restaurants in Pattaya -- that's your case for the certain possibility of religious coexistence?

I don't mean this as an insult (though i doubt you'll believe that) but I have to ask in case I'm foolishly taking you seriously: are you joking?

Actually I was going beyond religious coexistence. I was talking about racial and national coexistence too. Around midnight you walk around the VC hotel at the end of Boys town beginning of Walking street Soi VC area where you find the Iranian restaurants and the water pipe places. You see the crossover in the restaurants. Gay and straight and people from all over the globe. Not a tourist place more hard core types. I was comparing it to Vung Tau during the Vietnam war where both the VC and American/Australian forces went for incountry R&R.

The aggression I see in the world is brought about by high levels of testosterone which I feel places like Pattaya reduce.

If Osama had chosen to live around the VC hotel in stead of in Pakistan he'd be alive today.

The odds of a group of Navy Seals sneaking around anywhere in Pattaya is too great to contemplate. Everyone would know them. Gee half the town is Seals, SAS and so on.

no because people are to concerned with what others do.