How putting non-fataly sick together with fataly sick (since they didn't differentiate between them), failing to give proper medical care and in turn having your 'non fataly' sick have complications and dieing beeing a _good_ thing to do is beyond me.

am so sick od hearing that. I have a friend who has played both and I have played American football and those rugby guys do not hit nearly as hard. I have never heard of a rugby player getting whiplash from a hit. As a matter of a fact I have never seen a rugby player take a hit, they just grab on to each other. So, play the game and find out just how much in hurts

Just saw a guy come off the field with a suspected broken sternum..just 1 hour ago! He was spitting up blood

If you think that rugby players just grab each other, it shows how very little rugby you watch.These guys hit hard.No padding.Had a few drinks with a profesional player that herniated a disc in his neck in a game a few years ago.He is lucky to be still standing....Does that count as whiplash?

Nothing heroic in this, I think. Especially since they are getting PAID to beat each other up.

Heros please, not who can bash someone up better than another!

In those days it was 100% amateur sport.Yes, he was looked on as a type of hero.In those days what they lacked in skill, they made up with their ticker and tough.

I did state at the beginning, political or sporting heros......

6' Tall 245lbs. a.bmp

How putting non-fataly sick together with fataly sick (since they didn't differentiate between them), failing to give proper medical care and in turn having your 'non fataly' sick have complications and dieing beeing a _good_ thing to do is beyond me.

If you are going to pretend the statement was false, please provide any proof it is. Otherwise you are just doing an 'Ulysses'.

How putting non-fataly sick together with fataly sick (since they didn't differentiate between them), failing to give proper medical care and in turn having your 'non fataly' sick have complications and dieing beeing a _good_ thing to do is beyond me.

You asked for proof that you were supporting Butterfly's positions and I provided it, but you continue to pretend otherwise, therefore Boon Mee's little cartoon is most appropriate, and all that you deserve to be blunt.

How putting non-fataly sick together with fataly sick (since they didn't differentiate between them), failing to give proper medical care and in turn having your 'non fataly' sick have complications and dieing beeing a _good_ thing to do is beyond me.

You asked for proof that you were supporting Butterfly's positions and I provided it, but you continue to pretend otherwise, therefore Boon Mee's little cartoon is most appropriate, and all that you deserve to be blunt.

Please whipe of your cumstains from your chin. You haven't provided any proof, since there aren't any. But I'm guessing you are to stupid to understand that.

It's a good idea to to use spell-check when calling your betters "stupid".

How putting non-fataly sick together with fataly sick (since they didn't differentiate between them), failing to give proper medical care and in turn having your 'non fataly' sick have complications and dieing beeing a _good_ thing to do is beyond me.

You asked for proof that you were supporting Butterfly's positions and I provided it, but you continue to pretend otherwise, therefore Boon Mee's little cartoon is most appropriate, and all that you deserve to be blunt.

Please whipe of your cumstains from your chin. You haven't provided any proof, since there aren't any. But I'm guessing you are to stupid to understand that.

Don't you think you are going over the top here? is it possible that you can keep to the subject? or does your hatred for your two fellow country men cloud your vision.

Although this is Bedlam and fairly unmoderated I think I need to put my two cents worth in here. AGAIN.

We are all (sort of) adults here, right? This is a forum, not name calling in the schoolyard.

Please lets get back on topic and refrain from abuse and flaming, shall we?

am so sick od hearing that. I have a friend who has played both and I have played American football and those rugby guys do not hit nearly as hard. I have never heard of a rugby player getting whiplash from a hit. As a matter of a fact I have never seen a rugby player take a hit, they just grab on to each other. So, play the game and find out just how much in hurts

Just saw a guy come off the field with a suspected broken sternum..just 1 hour ago! He was spitting up blood

If you think that rugby players just grab each other, it shows how very little rugby you watch.These guys hit hard.No padding.Had a few drinks with a profesional player that herniated a disc in his neck in a game a few years ago.He is lucky to be still standing....Does that count as whiplash?

Yeah, my friends lost a finger, still says American footballers hit harder.

am so sick od hearing that. I have a friend who has played both and I have played American football and those rugby guys do not hit nearly as hard. I have never heard of a rugby player getting whiplash from a hit. As a matter of a fact I have never seen a rugby player take a hit, they just grab on to each other. So, play the game and find out just how much in hurts

Just saw a guy come off the field with a suspected broken sternum..just 1 hour ago! He was spitting up blood

If you think that rugby players just grab each other, it shows how very little rugby you watch.These guys hit hard.No padding.Had a few drinks with a profesional player that herniated a disc in his neck in a game a few years ago.He is lucky to be still standing....Does that count as whiplash?

Yeah, my friends lost a finger, still says American footballers hit harder.

If anyone not familiar with American football wants to get an idea of how hard the hitting is in the NFL, click on this link for examples of some of the NFL's hardest hits. Then come back here and let us know if rugby is on the same level.

am so sick od hearing that. I have a friend who has played both and I have played American football and those rugby guys do not hit nearly as hard. I have never heard of a rugby player getting whiplash from a hit. As a matter of a fact I have never seen a rugby player take a hit, they just grab on to each other. So, play the game and find out just how much in hurts

Just saw a guy come off the field with a suspected broken sternum..just 1 hour ago! He was spitting up blood

If you think that rugby players just grab each other, it shows how very little rugby you watch.These guys hit hard.No padding.Had a few drinks with a profesional player that herniated a disc in his neck in a game a few years ago.He is lucky to be still standing....Does that count as whiplash?

Yeah, my friends lost a finger, still says American footballers hit harder.

If anyone not familiar with American football wants to get an idea of how hard the hitting is in the NFL, click on this link for examples of some of the NFL's hardest hits. Then come back here and let us know if rugby is on the same level.

American football is for pussy padded fat boys to bounce into each other, rugby is for real men. Anyone can get dressed up in 2 inch thick padding and bounce off each other, its like those inflatable sumo suits you see in pubs, good fun but no one gets hurt.

And why do you need like 60 players on a team? Are they that bad they can only do one job on the pitch? Or is it due to lack of physical ability and fitness that they need 60 players to last the 15 hours a game goes on for Come on why need 4 quarters can they really not cope with just playing 2 halves(sp)

Seriously though do you honestly think this man could get a job in any other sport other than padded pussy fat boy game

Oh, forget it. You're right, British Empire and cups of tea and all that. I swear it seems like some many people think it's a crime to like or understand any thing American.

am so sick od hearing that. I have a friend who has played both and I have played American football and those rugby guys do not hit nearly as hard. I have never heard of a rugby player getting whiplash from a hit. As a matter of a fact I have never seen a rugby player take a hit, they just grab on to each other. So, play the game and find out just how much in hurts

Just saw a guy come off the field with a suspected broken sternum..just 1 hour ago! He was spitting up blood.

If you think that rugby players just grab each other, it shows how very little rugby you watch.These guys hit hard.No padding.Had a few drinks with a profesional player that herniated a disc in his neck in a game a few years ago.He is lucky to be still standing....Does that count as whiplash?

Yeah, my friends lost a finger, still says American footballers hit harder.

If anyone not familiar with American football wants to get an idea of how hard the hitting is in the NFL, click on this link for examples of some of the NFL's hardest hits. Then come back here and let us know if rugby is on the same level.

American football is for pussy padded fat boys to bounce into each other, rugby is for real men. Anyone can get dressed up in 2 inch thick padding and bounce off each other, its like those inflatable sumo suits you see in pubs, good fun but no one gets hurt.

And why do you need like 60 players on a team? Are they that bad they can only do one job on the pitch? Or is it due to lack of physical ability and fitness that they need 60 players to last the 15 hours a game goes on for Come on why need 4 quarters can they really not cope with just playing 2 halves(sp)

Seriously though do you honestly think this man could get a job in any other sport other than padded pussy fat boy game

You have no idea how quick that 310 lb. fat-boy is. If he were coming after you I seriously doubt you'd be able to outrun him, mate, but I'd love to see you try. Might be funnier to see what you'd look like once he caught up with your skinny little a$$.

The reason they need 45 players on a team is because by the end of the season half of them are on the disabled list.

As for the padding, imagine a head on collision in an automobile with no air bag.

Did that shut him up, Bops?

Are we still talking about people we admire or not?

If so, I have to mention a person that I admire, Leo Strauss. A very, very intelligent man that people should listen to. He has quite a following.

am so sick od hearing that. I have a friend who has played both and I have played American football and those rugby guys do not hit nearly as hard. I have never heard of a rugby player getting whiplash from a hit. As a matter of a fact I have never seen a rugby player take a hit, they just grab on to each other. So, play the game and find out just how much in hurts

Just saw a guy come off the field with a suspected broken sternum..just 1 hour ago! He was spitting up blood.

If you think that rugby players just grab each other, it shows how very little rugby you watch.These guys hit hard.No padding.Had a few drinks with a profesional player that herniated a disc in his neck in a game a few years ago.He is lucky to be still standing....Does that count as whiplash?

Yeah, my friends lost a finger, still says American footballers hit harder.

If anyone not familiar with American football wants to get an idea of how hard the hitting is in the NFL, click on this link for examples of some of the NFL's hardest hits. Then come back here and let us know if rugby is on the same level.

American football is for pussy padded fat boys to bounce into each other, rugby is for real men. Anyone can get dressed up in 2 inch thick padding and bounce off each other, its like those inflatable sumo suits you see in pubs, good fun but no one gets hurt.

And why do you need like 60 players on a team? Are they that bad they can only do one job on the pitch? Or is it due to lack of physical ability and fitness that they need 60 players to last the 15 hours a game goes on for Come on why need 4 quarters can they really not cope with just playing 2 halves(sp)

Seriously though do you honestly think this man could get a job in any other sport other than padded pussy fat boy game

You have no idea how quick that 310 lb. fat-boy is. If he were coming after you I seriously doubt you'd be able to outrun him, mate, but I'd love to see you try. Might be funnier to see what you'd look like once he caught up with your skinny little a$$.

If one could separate themself from the earth that one was plowed into.

The reason they need 45 players on a team is because by the end of the season half of them are on the disabled list.

Good point.

As for the padding, imagine a head on collision in an automobile with no air bag.

Another good point.

Did that shut him up, Bops?

I try to learn to appreciate other forms of entertainment from around the world. I love watching rugby. I think it's a fun game. However, I like it because it has the brute strength like American football. American football, as Tip is helping me to explain, is not a sport for those who break easy. I remember when I played it I left scars on the field from being slammed down and buried there. Much like a plow. I would just like our fellow TV members to try to appreciate our game. If you end up not liking fine, but to say which game is rougher is pointless. All I said was that a friend of mine who has played both found American football to be the rougher sport. Although he keeps his jersery from his rugby days he watches every American football season like a hawk, missing nothing. He enjoys the strategy.

So, please try to enjoy once in awhile it might grow on you. And if not, yeah I like to see you take on a lineman, head to head. We'll see if you're smart enough to run when a man called the Fridge is looking to take you down.

Are we still talking about people we admire or not?

If so, I have to mention a person that I admire, Leo Strauss. A very, very intelligent man that people should listen to. He has quite a following.

Apparently not

I'm pretty sure that guy in blue above could be pretty easily winded, or does he have padding round there as well? Nice tights though

On topic - I don't really have a hero. The only childhood hero I had was Wacko Jacko, but I lost interest at around 11 years old. What a huge disappointment he turned out to be later on in life.

There are people I respect highly though. One of which is Bill Gates. Flame away, but personally believe if it wasn't for his vision and efforts, I wouldn't be typing this to the audience it's receiving today. Linux and the open-source movement has gained a lot of pace, but at the end of the day, it appears their main goal is nearly always to compete with M$'s efforts. If M$ wasn't around in the first place, where would it be now - if anywhere at all?

(Worth stating that I'm a Firefox user. Like to think I give all arguments an equal playing field. Nerd rant over.)

Political heros tend to disappointment also over time. I was a huge fan of Tony Blair when he first came to power, but can't say I respect him so much nowadays. He hasn't really recovered from the war in Iraq, and I doubt he ever will.

Great session of kick-ball Liverpool had yesterday though. Nice one.

The pointless rugby vs gridiron football vs soccer/football/kickball etc arguement is normally argued by those who are too old and out of shape to play any of them. I'm lucky enough that before I got to that point I played all three.

I'd put rugby and Canadian, which is similar to American football at about the same level of peril. They each have their own dangers and I managed to get injured in both. No padding, and rarely any helmets in rugby, but you learn not to bang your head into anything in the first minute of play. In Canadian football we were taught to use our helmets as weapons on unprotected areas of opposing runningbacks and quarterbacks.

As a lineman, its worse in rugby, but if you are a back in American, or Canadian football you will be hit on a regular basis in such a manner as would get players ejected from the game in rugby.

Soccer on the other hand, is about as dangerous as billiards.

cv

You have no idea how quick that 310 lb. fat-boy is. If he were coming after you I seriously doubt you'd be able to outrun him, mate, but I'd love to see you try. Might be funnier to see what you'd look like once he caught up with your skinny little a$$.

The reason they need 45 players on a team is because by the end of the season half of them are on the disabled list.

As for the padding, imagine a head on collision in an automobile with no air bag.

Did that shut him up, Bops?

Dont get me wrong i have watched american football, and found it quite entertaining, but not a real sport As for the fat boy catching my skinny ass You obviously havent ever read any threads where i reveal how big i am, well just for you tip. I am 6"8 and currently weigh in at 145kgs or 319lbs, so indeed i am certainly not skinny i wish i was though

Sorry back on topic........ My all time sports hero mmmmm Martin Johnson and political would have to be Maggie

It's a good idea to to use spell-check when calling your betters "stupid".

Is it better if I switch to another language? Swedish? German? Danish? Norwegian?

You are a sad mofo.

How putting non-fataly sick together with fataly sick (since they didn't differentiate between them), failing to give proper medical care and in turn having your 'non fataly' sick have complications and dieing beeing a _good_ thing to do is beyond me.

Whatever language you decide to mangle, please use the grammar and spell check before calling anyone else stupid and please drop the weird little underline thingies. They have no meaning except to you, Butterfly, zzap and the UFOs that you fellows are in communication with.

Dont get me wrong i have watched american football, and found it quite entertaining, but not a real sport As for the fat boy catching my skinny ass You obviously havent ever read any threads where i reveal how big i am, well just for you tip. I am 6"8 and currently weigh in at 145kgs or 319lbs, so indeed i am certainly not skinny i wish i was though

Sorry back on topic........ My all time sports hero mmmmm Martin Johnson and political would have to be Maggie

Hmmm, I thought I saw a photo of you and you wife in the members photo thread before the photos were deleted. Wasn't she taller than you?

Honestly all, just stirring the pot about rugby vs. American football. It's so much fun (and so easy) to wind the folks up here. One of my favourite twisted hobbies.

Yes, back on topic . . . Heroes to me are people I admire for the traits they possess that I wish I had. In which case one of my heroes is Daleyboy. At 4"11" and 45 kgs. I've always wanted to be an over-sized buffoon myself. Couldn't resist there, mate.

Well i guess being 4"11 and 45 kgs, is better than having a head 4"11 wide and 45 kgs.

Back onto heroes, some legendary law enforcement officials;

Sam Steele - Kept order during the klondike gold rush by requiring everyone entering the Yukon to bring a ton (literally 2000lbs) of supplies with them to keep out individuals who couldn't support themselves and may resort to potentially desperate acts. Today he would come in very handy in Pattaya, Phuket, Bangkok, etc.

Frank Serpico - Not the only good cop to ever stand up to rampant corruption, but one of the best known. Survived a cowardly attempt on his life by his own fellow officers.

Elliot Ness - Brought order to a city that was rotten to the core with corruption. He could have gotten rich from looking the other way but didn't.

Joseph Pistone - a.k.a. Donnie Brasco. The mafia was difficult to infiltrate, but he did it so well that by the end of the operation they were ready to make him a made man.

cv