One dead, 14 injured, German arrested, following Jomtien Beach Road Crash

[JackieMager]

U know this sickens me. Im sorry for the person who died and the injured. But as i said in an earlier post. Accidents happen. BUT in our host country, that being Thailand i read every single day without fail about Visa buses, tourist buses, ferrys and u name it driven by Thais who are not professional, who probably dont even have a license, high on drugs, alcohol, tired because they want to earn that extra bit more. And they jump on a 72 year old man who was not drinking but could have had a PRESCRIPTION pill due to an ailment and had an accident. Its us that should be jumping up and down not knowing if the mini bus to Hua Hin or where ever is been driven by some one reliable. Over 30 ferangs have died in buses etc over the last ten days. Now they want to put seat belts in the buses. Excuse me, what about the tires, engines and above all the drivers. Ok this is all off the track..... But the german had an accident. Lets see whether he has drugs in his blood stream. Lets wait to hear the true story.

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[bigwilly]

Hi to all, Just a comment I was at the scene just after all the injured had left, interestingly among the carnage and debris scattered on the roadside was was a box of test strips, needles and equipment for measuring blood glucose levels, diabetic maybe?

What ever happened it was a truly tragic scene and the vehicle was obviously out of control with lots of speed. I hope the injured make a quick and full recovery. Didn't see any forensic types gathering evidence. Sad.

BW.

[Bpuumike]

Its too many idiots on the roads here...

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And not only Thais.

[godden]

old lady was driving her car erratically was pulled over and asked how many accidents she'd had, none she said but iv'e seen plenty i my rear view mirror

[sirchai]

Hi to all, Just a comment I was at the scene just after all the injured had left, interestingly among the carnage and debris scattered on the roadside was was a box of test strips, needles and equipment for measuring blood glucose levels, diabetic maybe?

What ever happened it was a truly tragic scene and the vehicle was obviously out of control with lots of speed. I hope the injured make a quick and full recovery. Didn't see any forensic types gathering evidence. Sad.

BW.

Once I had a girl friend back in Europe who had an insulin pump, which automatically gives the (wanted, not necessarily needed) dose.

Sometimes she drove me crazy and I had to tell her to stop the car immediately, and I took over.A too low glucose concentration is as dangerous as a too high dose.

Bashing an older man, without knowing what had caused such a tragic accident is pretty much common here. Expats love Expats, as Thais love Thais?

Time to rename this forum. TBF. Thailand Bashing Forum.-

Edited November 9, 2013 by sirchai

[sirchai]

U know this sickens me. Im sorry for the person who died and the injured. But as i said in an earlier post. Accidents happen. BUT in our host country, that being Thailand i read every single day without fail about Visa buses, tourist buses, ferrys and u name it driven by Thais who are not professional, who probably dont even have a license, high on drugs, alcohol, tired because they want to earn that extra bit more. And they jump on a 72 year old man who was not drinking but could have had a PRESCRIPTION pill due to an ailment and had an accident. Its us that should be jumping up and down not knowing if the mini bus to Hua Hin or where ever is been driven by some one reliable. Over 30 ferangs have died in buses etc over the last ten days. Now they want to put seat belts in the buses. Excuse me, what about the tires, engines and above all the drivers. Ok this is all off the track..... But the german had an accident. Lets see whether he has drugs in his blood stream. Lets wait to hear the true story.

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A great post, indeed.-

[sirchai]

old lady was driving her car erratically was pulled over and asked how many accidents she'd had, none she said but iv'e seen plenty i my rear view mirror

What a great joke, while so many people have/had to suffer. Excellent!-

[nakhonandy]

U know this sickens me. Im sorry for the person who died and the injured. But as i said in an earlier post. Accidents happen. BUT in our host country, that being Thailand i read every single day without fail about Visa buses, tourist buses, ferrys and u name it driven by Thais who are not professional, who probably dont even have a license, high on drugs, alcohol, tired because they want to earn that extra bit more. And they jump on a 72 year old man who was not drinking but could have had a PRESCRIPTION pill due to an ailment and had an accident. Its us that should be jumping up and down not knowing if the mini bus to Hua Hin or where ever is been driven by some one reliable. Over 30 ferangs have died in buses etc over the last ten days. Now they want to put seat belts in the buses. Excuse me, what about the tires, engines and above all the drivers. Ok this is all off the track..... But the german had an accident. Lets see whether he has drugs in his blood stream. Lets wait to hear the true story.

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A great post, indeed.-

Really?

Accidents happen, true. An accident is an unforseen event occurring while driving within normal limits etc.

If you have seen the photo's of the incident, this was not an accident but chaos caused by at least the minimum of reckless driving (consider speed here).

Cause as yet unknown!

What this has to do with minivans is beyond me, there are many threads on that subject!

[JackieMager]

Its too many idiots on the roads here...

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And not only Thais.(perhaps not only Thais, but there are more Thais here than Ferangs. Plus a hell if a lot of them don't have a license and a hell of them drive drugged to the hilt on some particular thai drug, forgotten the name but bus drivers, taxi drivers and more use this drug frequently )

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Edited November 9, 2013 by metisdead
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[Docno]

A lot of people here seem to be assuming he was assaulted by Thais. We don't know that. Consider that half the injured were Russians and that it was a Russian lady who died at the scene. They would have seen a man who appeared to be drunk or on drugs. Because of his state, he would have seemed to be uncooperative, uncommunicative, and possibly unconcerned. That would have added frustration to the anger and the shock. So it's just as likely that the farangs present took justice into their hands. Things should not happen this way, but it's not a big surprise either.

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[peecee]

It appears he wanted to drive like a Thai, the only things missing are alcohol and fleeing

+ illegal drugs & 18hrs at the wheel!

[R123]

He won't admit it, but one possibility is attempted suicide by the driver(?)

[chooka]

If the prescription drugs came with a warning to not drive, then he could still find himself in a degree of bother. I am all for people having to pass driving and medical tests at a certain age. Some may argue that it is a violation of thier rights and they are segregated but it is for their safety and that of the community. I don't know how many collisions I have attended involving elderly citizens but it's a lot.

Sorry, I clicked 'like' in error, meant to hit the 'quote' button.

If you don't know how many collisions you have attended involving elderly citizens how do you know it's a lot?

Are you asking me a serious question???

I have never kept count but I know it is a lot.

22 years and still counting in the Police Force.

Drug over doses = lots

Burglaries = lots

Suicides = lots

Assaults = lots

Personal shootings = 1

[Bluespunk]

He was assaulted by others involved. 72 year old man. OK emotions high, but assaulting him. Come on....

Agreed. But they probably (and understandably) thought he was drunk. Can you imagine how you would might behave if a drunk driver smashed into you and your friends, killed at least one person, and wreaked that kind of destruction? You might want to throttle him too, especially if he is uncommunicative etc. Even the police suspected he was drunk until tests showed that was not the case.... [it shouldn't happen, but it's not so surprising that it did].

I agree with everything you say except if it was an obviously old man I might suspect his age had more to do with what happened. However, granted I have not been in a situation like this, so I don't know how I would react. I would like to think I wouldn't assault the old man though, trying to help the wounded would be more appropriate response.

[Timwin]

It could be he bought a new predescription drug and tried it for the first time just before driving. Then suffered a serious side effect from the drug just moments later. Nightmarish situation.

[davidst01]

One has to have some compassion for the old boy. One thing for sure is that he is deep trouble and its going to cost him a motzer to get out of this one... unless he was driving a hire car and has full travel insurance with public liability

[crumpled]

A blood test could help sort out if he was on meds or not though it may not be conclusive.

Breath tested so he was not drunk.

Way too many variables to predict the reason for this, yet he gets slagged off on here for driving under the influence of drugs. Whatever the reason, he certainly caused a lot of carnage in his motor and death and injury. That is sad.

[dao16]

He shouldn't be driving on any meds!! No excuses are not good enough for the one that died.

There's a relevant old linguist nerd joke--

Consider the two following sentences: The dog bit Jack. Jack bit the dog. Changing around "Jack" and "the dog" as nouns doesn't change the grammar of the sentence (subject, verb, object), but it makes a big difference if you are Jack (or the dog)!

[penwithcris]

This accident appears to have been caused by the driver travelling at excessive speed. His medications are absolutely no excuse in fact they exacerbate the offence. Another reckless motorist causing unnecessary death and injury. In the UK he would probably be charged with reckless rather than dangerous driving and a sentence of less than a year imposed and a short driving ban. Dozens of Thais and visitors have been impacted by this man's totally irresponsible behaviour. I hope that the financial compensation he is made to pay will be a lasting reminder of his stupidity.

[chooka]

A blood test could help sort out if he was on meds or not though it may not be conclusive.

Breath tested so he was not drunk.

Way too many variables to predict the reason for this, yet he gets slagged off on here for driving under the influence of drugs. Whatever the reason, he certainly caused a lot of carnage in his motor and death and injury. That is sad.

It is a standard procedure for police. in the very 1st instance as he has been involved in a collision causing Death/ serious injury or damage that full blood tests will be conducted. Well it is in Australia it's actually an offence not to do so. That is request them or give them. Must be done on all parties including the deceased and alleged offenders on arriving at a medical faciltity immeadiatly or within 4 hours of the collision if offending driver is not present. A doctor can be charged if he does not put the demand for a blood test on a person involved in a motor vehicle collision, if that person refuses then it is an automatic 2 yrs cancellation of licence.

[Sealbash]

He was assaulted by others involved. 72 year old man. OK emotions high, but assaulting him. Come on....

Age / Gender / Race make no difference to Thai, they probably picked up the nearest stone or stone to assist as well!

And rightfully so. The guy just committed vehicular manslaughter. He should be punished.

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[DGIE]

I am sure the German's problem now is his headache

[timewilltell]

If the prescription drugs came with a warning to not drive, then he could still find himself in a degree of bother. I am all for people having to pass driving and medical tests at a certain age. Some may argue that it is a violation of thier rights and they are segregated but it is for their safety and that of the community. I don't know how many collisions I have attended involving elderly citizens but it's a lot.

And I have seen many more with young drivers! Nuff said!

[jdinasia]

He was assaulted by others involved. 72 year old man. OK emotions high, but assaulting him. Come on....

Age / Gender / Race make no difference to Thai, they probably picked up the nearest stone or stone to assist as well!

And rightfully so. The guy just committed vehicular manslaughter. He should be punished.

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Wow .. so he committed vehicular manslaughter? That is certainly a leap to judgment and to use that leap to judgment to excuse assault on a senior citizen? To state definitively that he should be punished?

I, personally, am unaware of ALL the factors in this event and can see several ways that the man in question may be faultless. For all I know he had a stroke....

[BigC]

Bottom line, his actions resulted in loss of an innocent life. If medications were to blame it really doesn't makes the situation any better for the ones who suffered loss or injury. He should have been aware of the potential of driving with the combination of condition and medications could be. Maybe not? But still he is culpable and his actions can't be rationalized and my opinion. Take a look at the pictures, massive force in the collision, coil springs ripped from the chassis, not the normal fender bender-the vehicle was completely out of control. Great flu, there were not more deaths.

People have to be willing to accept responsibilities for their actions instead of rationalizing a away to justify one's poor judgement. It would not work back home in our countries and it should not work here.

I hope, he never gets behind another steering wheel ever.

Yes I would add to that he never gets I see day light again

I am sorry but if my daughter was run over by a driver , drunk, on medicine or sober

I would kick that person be it man woman or kid until I physically can kick no more

If my daughter was beginning her life when some idiot came across and either broke her leg or killed her then I would see justification for a bearing or worse

It amazes me how much people complain about the way people do thins out here and compare the way should be the same as in their own country like the US or England or where ever

If it is so bad why stay here

I like the thai way and the way this alternate system works

That man deserves death penalty some countries would give it

Defiantly life

I hope the families of the people he killed shall step up

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[JaiLai]

Bottom line, his actions resulted in loss of an innocent life. If medications were to blame it really doesn't makes the situation any better for the ones who suffered loss or injury. He should have been aware of the potential of driving with the combination of condition and medications could be. Maybe not? But still he is culpable and his actions can't be rationalized and my opinion. Take a look at the pictures, massive force in the collision, coil springs ripped from the chassis, not the normal fender bender-the vehicle was completely out of control. Great flu, there were not more deaths.

People have to be willing to accept responsibilities for their actions instead of rationalizing a away to justify one's poor judgement. It would not work back home in our countries and it should not work here.

I hope, he never gets behind another steering wheel ever.

Yes I would add to that he never gets I see day light again

I am sorry but if my daughter was run over by a driver , drunk, on medicine or sober

I would kick that person be it man woman or kid until I physically can kick no more

If my daughter was beginning her life when some idiot came across and either broke her leg or killed her then I would see justification for a bearing or worse

It amazes me how much people complain about the way people do thins out here and compare the way should be the same as in their own country like the US or England or where ever

If it is so bad why stay here

I like the thai way and the way this alternate system works

That man deserves death penalty some countries would give it

Defiantly life

I hope the families of the people he killed shall step up

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The Thai system works??? ie you have money / power or contacts you can do what you want are are pretty much untouchable by the legal system, this has been proven over and over - and you like this - interesting......

I'd like to see you tell that to the persons family who was mowed down by some rich guy in his flash car that was all over the news a while ago.

It's only a very small percentage of people who have to deal with the legal system that's why people stay!

[osiboy]

He was assaulted by others involved. 72 year old man. OK emotions high, but assaulting him. Come on....

Agreed. But they probably (and understandably) thought he was drunk. Can you imagine how you would might behave if a drunk driver smashed into you and your friends, killed at least one person, and wreaked that kind of destruction? You might want to throttle him too, especially if he is uncommunicative etc. Even the police suspected he was drunk until tests showed that was not the case.... [it shouldn't happen, but it's not so surprising that it did].

And this is why some thaidrivers run away.Not drunk, just scared to get killed.

ADVISE TO FARANG;, Do NOT do the right thing, do the "THAITHING" and run away from the scene and any responsibility , get on the first flight home and ignore any warrants for your arrest ...........you cannot find justice in Thailand , racism is alive and kicking ! !

[jacko45k]

Its not proved yet he was under influence of the drugs.

May b he wasn't and just passed out behind the wheel...

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Now who is speculating......

If someone passed out driving normally up Beach Rd, I wonder if he could keep going straight long enough to reach the speeds being mentioned.

[metisdead]

A post in all caps has been removed, turn off your Caps Lock button when posting. Off topic posts about the ferry driver have been removed, there is a separate topic about him here:

Pattaya ferry captain confesses to drug use

[Bluespunk]

Bottom line, his actions resulted in loss of an innocent life. If medications were to blame it really doesn't makes the situation any better for the ones who suffered loss or injury. He should have been aware of the potential of driving with the combination of condition and medications could be. Maybe not? But still he is culpable and his actions can't be rationalized and my opinion. Take a look at the pictures, massive force in the collision, coil springs ripped from the chassis, not the normal fender bender-the vehicle was completely out of control. Great flu, there were not more deaths.

People have to be willing to accept responsibilities for their actions instead of rationalizing a away to justify one's poor judgement. It would not work back home in our countries and it should not work here.

I hope, he never gets behind another steering wheel ever.

Yes I would add to that he never gets I see day light again

I am sorry but if my daughter was run over by a driver , drunk, on medicine or sober

I would kick that person be it man woman or kid until I physically can kick no more

If my daughter was beginning her life when some idiot came across and either broke her leg or killed her then I would see justification for a bearing or worse

It amazes me how much people complain about the way people do thins out here and compare the way should be the same as in their own country like the US or England or where ever

If it is so bad why stay here

I like the thai way and the way this alternate system works

That man deserves death penalty some countries would give it

Defiantly life

I hope the families of the people he killed shall step up

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And if it wasn't drink? If it wasn't drugs? If it was a stroke or other accidental event beyond your control or not of your making? What then? Let's hope you never have an accident.

Edited November 9, 2013 by Bluespunk