Scotland to become independent in March 2016 if referendum passes

[wigantojapan]

The truth is, of course, that the European parliament does not consider ENGLAND to be a separate nation, but a constituency within the UK.

[wigantojapan]

You, and your friends at liesoverscotland, can dodge the issue all you want.

The situation now when Scotland is part of the UK will not stay the same if Scotland leaves the UK.

Scotland will be a foreign country and the same rules and regulations will apply to Scots receiving NHS treatment in the UK as apply to other foreigners.

Why do you find that so difficult to comprehend?

Or is this yet another example of the Yes campaign's apparent desire to be an independent nation whilst maintaining all the benefits of being part of the UK but none of the responsibilities?

I appreciate that it is in your interests to make everything seem complicated and unworkable, but there already exists a mechanism for patients residing in Scotland to receive specialist treatment in English hospitals AND for the costs associated with that treatment to be reimbursed to the English NHS. In 2012/13, reimbursements were made in the region of GBP 11 million.

http://www.nsd.scot.nhs.uk/%5C%5C/services/specialised/index.html

What is it you people find so difficult to understand about the fact that if Scotland becomes independent then it will no longer be part of the UK?

That's what independence means <deleted>!

What happened in the past while Scotland was part of the UK has nothing to do with what will happen in the future if Scotland leaves the UK.

As I said, it becomes more and more obvious that you and the other Yes supporters want to retain all the benefits of being part of the UK, without any of the responsibilities.

Tough; you can't.

SCotland NHS as been stated now by 2 members one in favour of a No vote is a separate body to NHS England what do you not understand about that.

so what are these benefits that you mention because as of today Scotland gets no benefits as regarding the NHS,,again it is your sub deeper conscious brainwashed 50 odd years of being in a Unionist bubble with the cap in the hand mentality that speaks....

I offered you to go speak to professionals who work in NHS Scotland who are more qualified than you will ever be to talk on the point yet you come back here again ....oh well...

[RuamRudy]

You, and your friends at liesoverscotland, can dodge the issue all you want.

The situation now when Scotland is part of the UK will not stay the same if Scotland leaves the UK.

Scotland will be a foreign country and the same rules and regulations will apply to Scots receiving NHS treatment in the UK as apply to other foreigners.

Why do you find that so difficult to comprehend?

Or is this yet another example of the Yes campaign's apparent desire to be an independent nation whilst maintaining all the benefits of being part of the UK but none of the responsibilities?

I appreciate that it is in your interests to make everything seem complicated and unworkable, but there already exists a mechanism for patients residing in Scotland to receive specialist treatment in English hospitals AND for the costs associated with that treatment to be reimbursed to the English NHS. In 2012/13, reimbursements were made in the region of GBP 11 million.

http://www.nsd.scot.nhs.uk/%5C%5C/services/specialised/index.html

What is it you people find so difficult to understand about the fact that if Scotland becomes independent then it will no longer be part of the UK?

That's what independence means <deleted>!

What happened in the past while Scotland was part of the UK has nothing to do with what will happen in the future if Scotland leaves the UK.

As I said, it becomes more and more obvious that you and the other Yes supporters want to retain all the benefits of being part of the UK, without any of the responsibilities.

Tough; you can't.

GBP 11 million worth of treatment (reimbursed) for vulnerable people with particularly serious illnesses and you want to use them as political fodder. Nice.

[wigantojapan]

remeber there are people from all over the Uk coming up to Scotland as well for treatments,,,,,,,No he obviously wants the Berlin wall,,he has said as much

[StreetCowboy]

Are you saying you worked in Scotland for 25 years or England, Wales, Cornwall.?

Is this relevant?

Yes, to me it is so I can respond.......

As I posted elsewhere, when I graduated I got on my bike to seek opportunity; this at a time when the French Onion Johnnies officially needed a work permit to work in the U K, though it is a long time ago and I am not sure...

So I got on my bike for opportunity and also took the opportunity to develop an interest in rugby league, something I am sure our WtoJ is missing, in the Land of the Rising Sun, or Craiglockhart or wherever he is

SC

[wigantojapan]

japan has a very good standard of rugby and as you know or dont know craiglockhart is close to where Heriots play..

[StreetCowboy]

japan has a very good standard of rugby and as you know or dont know craiglockhart is close to where Heriots play..

Aye, sure, we can all wax lyrical about the fifteen-man code... Japan v Hong Kong tomorrow for the Asian Five Nations and a place in the World Cup next year - topically enough in the same group as Scotland ...

SC

[wigantojapan]

Are you saying you worked in Scotland for 25 years or England, Wales, Cornwall.?

Is this relevant?

Yes, to me it is so I can respond.......

As I posted elsewhere, when I graduated I got on my bike to seek opportunity; this at a time when the French Onion Johnnies officially needed a work permit to work in the U K, though it is a long time ago and I am not sure...

So I got on my bike for opportunity and also took the opportunity to develop an interest in rugby league, something I am sure our WtoJ is missing, in the Land of the Rising Sun, or Craiglockhart or wherever he is

SC

so there you go you got on your bike to seek opportunity because the opportunity was not there in Scotland as it has been laid to waste by Thatcher and the people who followed her...or as a young graduate you suaght the wider experience of educational and work opportunity.. and hope that was so missing in Thatchers Scotland....The start of the broken Britain we have today.....Like i said previously check out the lyrics of LKJ if you want a more real perspective of what live was and is in Britain,,,for god sake only last week farange was trying to get people arrested for using the fascists word,,its the beginning of another more sinister round of freedom of speech and human rights get real people

[wigantojapan]

japan has a very good standard of rugby and as you know or dont know craiglockhart is close to where Heriots play..

Aye, sure, we can all wax lyrical about the fifteen-man code... Japan v Hong Kong tomorrow for the Asian Five Nations and a place in the World Cup next year - topically enough in the same group as Scotland ...

SC

well i turned down the chance to go to the royal High because the sport they played the ball bounced funny,,so life might have sent me down the Tory elitist path if i did

[7by7]

The truth is, of course, that the European parliament does not consider ENGLAND to be a separate nation, but a constituency within the UK.

Who has said that it does consider England to be a separate nation? No one.

The European parliament does not consider England, Northern Ireland, Scotland nor Wales to be separate nations, but all of them to be parts of the UK. It does not consider each constituency within the UK to be separate from the UK as a whole.

I must correct something I said earlier.

How each individual EU member decides to choose it's constituencies is up to them.

European Parliament constituency

Belgium, France, Ireland, Italy, Poland and the United Kingdom are divided into constituencies, while the other member states have a single national constituency. In Germany, for example, political parties are entitled to present lists of candidates either at Länder or national level.

[phuketjock]

Dear oh dear, what nonsense is this now?

When did the UK become a nation?

As far as I am aware the United Kingdom is and always has been a union of three countries and

N Ireland.

If you come from the UK you are British by geographical location but your nationality is Scottish,

English, Welsh or Northern Irish.

The United Kingdom is not, never has been, and never will be a nation, and it is my sincere hope

that after September it will be one nation less than it is now!!!!

Dear, oh dear!

Even after this was fully explained a few days ago, you still don't get it!

The UK became a nation in 1707 with the Act of Union.

It was enlarged with the addition of the whole of Ireland in 1800, and reduced when what is now the RoI left in 1922.

The international community and international law and international institutions recognise the UK, not the four countries which constitute the union.

You do not have Scottish nationality, I do not have English nationality. We both have British nationality.

You do not have a Scottish passport, I do not have an English passport. We both have British passports.

Were you to get into trouble of some sort in Phuket, it is not to the Scottish embassy you would turn to for assistance; because there isn't one. It would be to the British embassy.

As far as I am aware, the only international organisations which consider the four countries which currently constitute the UK to be separate nations are

• FIFA
• the IRB
• the ICC
• the Commonwealth Games Federation.

Can you add anymore? Especially political organisations as these four are all sporting ones.

You seem to be determined to show everyone what a wally you really are

The UK became a union in 1707 hence the term UNION.

Ireland joining and leaving irrelevant.

Scotland is a European parliament constituencey formally recognised by the European Parliament.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Scotland_(European_Parliament_constituency) so you are wrong there.

I really do not care what your nationality is but I am most certainly Scottish by nationality and British

by geography.

You are correct I do not have a Scottish passport ,as a Scottish national and thereby a member of

the United Kindom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland I am entitled to, and have, a European Union

Passport. So you are wrong again, you and I do not have British passports, if you have one?

Should I find myself in need of assistance from the British Embassy I would have no problems whatsoever,

as a Scottish national, getting it, as all overseas Embassies and consulates are jointly owned and manned

and operated by all the members of The United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland.

I believe the European Parliament could be called a political organisation no?

The UK is a nation made up of 4 countries, much the same as the USA is a nation made up of 50 states; although our political systems are different.

Scotland, currently, is no more an independent country than Texas is.

Following your logic, the south east of England is a separate nation as it is a European parliament constituency; as are other regions of England. They must all be separate nations as well!

Not to mention the constituencies in other EU states; I wonder if they realise that they are separate nations and not, for example part of Germany or France!

The truth is, of course, that the European parliament does not consider Scotland to be a separate nation, but a constituency within the UK.

Have a look at your passport. It says on the front 'European Union' because the UK is part of the EU. But it also says 'United Kingdom of Great Britiain and Northern Ireland.' That's because it's a British passport; there is no such thing as a European passport per se.

You are right about one thing, though.

You say "Should I find myself in need of assistance from the British Embassy I would have no problems whatsoever, as a Scottish national, getting it,"

Exactly; British embassy, not Scottish embassy. As a British citizen you are entitled to the same assistance from them as any other British citizen.

But you go on "as all overseas Embassies and consulates are jointly owned and manned and operated by all the members of The United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland."

No, they are owned, or leased, by the Foreign Office. A department of the British government.

If correcting your assumptions and misinformed posts makes me a wally in your eyes, so be it.

Of course, RR denies any of the triumvirate use insults when posting, so I'm sure that you did not mean it as such.

More tripe. The UK is a UNION of 3 Nations and a part of another nation.

The USA is a nation made up of a number of STATES, not Nations.

We are all members of the European union are we not? So that must mean

by your logic we are all European nationals and there are no nations in

Europe, I would like to hear what the French,Dutch ,German ,etc, think of

that one.

The foreign office is a department of the British government which for the

timebeing consists of Scotland, Wales, Northern Ireland and England.

After the Yes vote you may remove Scotland from that list.

Unfortunately for you your semantics cannot hide the facts.

My requiring to correct your incorrect corrections does make you a Wally,

only a much bigger one than before.

Nation or The Nation may also refer to:

• A country, a division of a geographical territory marked by boundaries

As in Scotland Wales England which I believe all have bounderies or as commonly

described borders.

Edited May 24, 2014 by phuketjock

[7by7]

You, and your friends at liesoverscotland, can dodge the issue all you want.

The situation now when Scotland is part of the UK will not stay the same if Scotland leaves the UK.

Scotland will be a foreign country and the same rules and regulations will apply to Scots receiving NHS treatment in the UK as apply to other foreigners.

Why do you find that so difficult to comprehend?

Or is this yet another example of the Yes campaign's apparent desire to be an independent nation whilst maintaining all the benefits of being part of the UK but none of the responsibilities?

I appreciate that it is in your interests to make everything seem complicated and unworkable, but there already exists a mechanism for patients residing in Scotland to receive specialist treatment in English hospitals AND for the costs associated with that treatment to be reimbursed to the English NHS. In 2012/13, reimbursements were made in the region of GBP 11 million.

http://www.nsd.scot.nhs.uk/%5C%5C/services/specialised/index.html

What is it you people find so difficult to understand about the fact that if Scotland becomes independent then it will no longer be part of the UK?

That's what independence means <deleted>!

What happened in the past while Scotland was part of the UK has nothing to do with what will happen in the future if Scotland leaves the UK.

As I said, it becomes more and more obvious that you and the other Yes supporters want to retain all the benefits of being part of the UK, without any of the responsibilities.

Tough; you can't.

GBP 11 million worth of treatment (reimbursed) for vulnerable people with particularly serious illnesses and you want to use them as political fodder. Nice.

Not me; but liesoverscotland and the man from Wigan.

All I have done is show that the information in the video in question is essentially correct.

[7by7]

remeber there are people from all over the Uk coming up to Scotland as well for treatments,,,,,,,

It is obvious to all but the feeble minded that it works both ways.

No he obviously wants the Berlin wall,,he has said as much

Where have I said any such thing?

RuamRudy accuses me of putting words into his mouth. If I have done so, it is because I am following in the footsteps of the master of that art; you.

[StreetCowboy]

japan has a very good standard of rugby and as you know or dont know craiglockhart is close to where Heriots play..

Aye, sure, we can all wax lyrical about the fifteen-man code... Japan v Hong Kong tomorrow for the Asian Five Nations and a place in the World Cup next year - topically enough in the same group as Scotland ...

SC

well i turned down the chance to go to the royal High because the sport they played the ball bounced funny,,so life might have sent me down the Tory elitist path if i did

It bounces the same as a League ball (near enough).

I committed my own resources to supporting deep coal mining in Scotland, and I might as well have flushed my money down the toilet, but for the entertainment it gave my colleagues. I then invested in Lancashire manufacturing, with similar results

SC

[7by7]

You, and your friends at liesoverscotland, can dodge the issue all you want.

The situation now when Scotland is part of the UK will not stay the same if Scotland leaves the UK.

Scotland will be a foreign country and the same rules and regulations will apply to Scots receiving NHS treatment in the UK as apply to other foreigners.

Why do you find that so difficult to comprehend?

Or is this yet another example of the Yes campaign's apparent desire to be an independent nation whilst maintaining all the benefits of being part of the UK but none of the responsibilities?

I appreciate that it is in your interests to make everything seem complicated and unworkable, but there already exists a mechanism for patients residing in Scotland to receive specialist treatment in English hospitals AND for the costs associated with that treatment to be reimbursed to the English NHS. In 2012/13, reimbursements were made in the region of GBP 11 million.

http://www.nsd.scot.nhs.uk/%5C%5C/services/specialised/index.html

What is it you people find so difficult to understand about the fact that if Scotland becomes independent then it will no longer be part of the UK?

That's what independence means <deleted>!

What happened in the past while Scotland was part of the UK has nothing to do with what will happen in the future if Scotland leaves the UK.

As I said, it becomes more and more obvious that you and the other Yes supporters want to retain all the benefits of being part of the UK, without any of the responsibilities.

Tough; you can't.

SCotland NHS as been stated now by 2 members one in favour of a No vote is a separate body to NHS England what do you not understand about that.

so what are these benefits that you mention because as of today Scotland gets no benefits as regarding the NHS,,again it is your sub deeper conscious brainwashed 50 odd years of being in a Unionist bubble with the cap in the hand mentality that speaks....

I offered you to go speak to professionals who work in NHS Scotland who are more qualified than you will ever be to talk on the point yet you come back here again ....oh well...

What do you fail to understand about the simple fact that an independent Scotland will be independent?

What do you fail to understand about the simple fact that current arrangements for the UK will no longer apply if Scotland becomes a separate country?

You want independence, yet you want nothing to change!

[StreetCowboy]

Dear oh dear, what nonsense is this now?

When did the UK become a nation?

As far as I am aware the United Kingdom is and always has been a union of three countries and

N Ireland.

If you come from the UK you are British by geographical location but your nationality is Scottish,

English, Welsh or Northern Irish.

The United Kingdom is not, never has been, and never will be a nation, and it is my sincere hope

that after September it will be one nation less than it is now!!!!

Dear, oh dear!

Even after this was fully explained a few days ago, you still don't get it!

The UK became a nation in 1707 with the Act of Union.

It was enlarged with the addition of the whole of Ireland in 1800, and reduced when what is now the RoI left in 1922.

The international community and international law and international institutions recognise the UK, not the four countries which constitute the union.

You do not have Scottish nationality, I do not have English nationality. We both have British nationality.

You do not have a Scottish passport, I do not have an English passport. We both have British passports.

Were you to get into trouble of some sort in Phuket, it is not to the Scottish embassy you would turn to for assistance; because there isn't one. It would be to the British embassy.

As far as I am aware, the only international organisations which consider the four countries which currently constitute the UK to be separate nations are

• FIFA
• the IRB
• the ICC
• the Commonwealth Games Federation.

Can you add anymore? Especially political organisations as these four are all sporting ones.

You seem to be determined to show everyone what a wally you really are

The UK became a union in 1707 hence the term UNION.

Ireland joining and leaving irrelevant.

Scotland is a European parliament constituencey formally recognised by the European Parliament.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Scotland_(European_Parliament_constituency) so you are wrong there.

I really do not care what your nationality is but I am most certainly Scottish by nationality and British

by geography.

You are correct I do not have a Scottish passport ,as a Scottish national and thereby a member of

the United Kindom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland I am entitled to, and have, a European Union

Passport. So you are wrong again, you and I do not have British passports, if you have one?

Should I find myself in need of assistance from the British Embassy I would have no problems whatsoever,

as a Scottish national, getting it, as all overseas Embassies and consulates are jointly owned and manned

and operated by all the members of The United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland.

I believe the European Parliament could be called a political organisation no?

The UK is a nation made up of 4 countries, much the same as the USA is a nation made up of 50 states; although our political systems are different.

Scotland, currently, is no more an independent country than Texas is.

Following your logic, the south east of England is a separate nation as it is a European parliament constituency; as are other regions of England. They must all be separate nations as well!

Not to mention the constituencies in other EU states; I wonder if they realise that they are separate nations and not, for example part of Germany or France!

The truth is, of course, that the European parliament does not consider Scotland to be a separate nation, but a constituency within the UK.

Have a look at your passport. It says on the front 'European Union' because the UK is part of the EU. But it also says 'United Kingdom of Great Britiain and Northern Ireland.' That's because it's a British passport; there is no such thing as a European passport per se.

You are right about one thing, though.

You say "Should I find myself in need of assistance from the British Embassy I would have no problems whatsoever, as a Scottish national, getting it,"

Exactly; British embassy, not Scottish embassy. As a British citizen you are entitled to the same assistance from them as any other British citizen.

But you go on "as all overseas Embassies and consulates are jointly owned and manned and operated by all the members of The United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland."

No, they are owned, or leased, by the Foreign Office. A department of the British government.

If correcting your assumptions and misinformed posts makes me a wally in your eyes, so be it.

Of course, RR denies any of the triumvirate use insults when posting, so I'm sure that you did not mean it as such.

More tripe. The UK is a UNION of 3 Nations and a part of another nation.

The USA is a nation made up of a number of STATES, not Nations.

We are all members of the European union are we not? So that must mean

by your logic we are all European nationals and there are no nations in

Europe, I would like to hear what the French,Dutch ,German ,etc, think of

that one.

The foreign office is a department of the British government which for the

timebeing consists of Scotland, Wales, Northern Ireland and England.

After the Yes vote you may remove Scotland from that list.

Unfortunately for you your semantics cannot hide the facts.

My requiring to correct your incorrect corrections does make you a Wally,

only a much bigger one than before.

It's a single United Kingdom, not.a Union of Kingdoms. The act of union removed the plurality,

SC

[I Like Thai]

There are fixed land border check points between the RoI and Northern Ireland,

Where are these located ?

From Para 6 of this joint statement from the Irish and UK governments.

Operation Gull, a UK and Ireland initiative operating on both sides of the land border, and the creation of an Immigration Unit in Dundalk by An Garda Síochána have been highly successful in curbing illegal migration between Ireland and Great Britain through Northern Ireland. Furthermore, a range of joint operations involving relevant immigration personnel from both jurisdictions and the investigative division of the Irish Department of Social Protection have also been very successful as a result of detections flowing from Operation Gull.

Nationals of either country travelling between the UK and RoI do not need to have their passport, but do need to be able to prove their nationality and so right to travel from one country to the other if required to do so.

Other EEA nationals need either their passport or national identity card.

All others need their passport and, if one is required, the appropriate visa.

This is the case whether travelling by land, sea or air.

If an independent Scotland joins the CTA I can see no reason why the above should not apply to people travelling between Scotland and the UK or Scotland and the RoI.

But what if it doesn't? What if it joins Schengen instead; which, like adopting the Euro, could be a pre condition of joining the EU.

The main reason why Ireland did not join Schengen was because it "would not be in the interest of Ireland to have a situation where the common travel area with Britain would be ended and Ireland would impose both exit and entry controls on persons travelling between here and Britain and, in addition, on the land frontier" (Dáil Éireann - Volume 450 - 14 March, 1995 Written Answers. - EU Border Controls.)

So, the post independence border situation is obvious to anyone who has even the slightest knowledge of how immigration controls work; with three options.

1. An independent Scotland in the CTA; very few fixed land border controls but mobile spot checks as per the land border between NI and RoI.
2. Independent Scotland does not join the CTA but joins Schengen; full land border controls as per those between other Schengen countries sharing a land border with non Schengen countries.
3. Independent Scotland joins neither; full land border controls as per many countries worldwide who share a land border.

How could it be otherwise?

Where are the FIXED land border checkpoints. Selective copy and paste is very disingenuous, especially when you don't provide a link

http://www.lawcentreni.org/policy/policy-briefings/203.html

1. Operation Gull runs on an irregular basis. When it is in operation upwards of 50 individuals have been believed to be detained in one weekend. It is impossible to say with certainty how many people have been caught up in Operation Gull but certainly hundreds, if not more.
2. Operational Gull is carried out at both City and International Airports and at Belfast and Larne Sea Ports
3. The Northern Ireland Human Rights Commission is currently undertaking a wide-ranging review of immigration practice in Northern Ireland which will look at the activity of immigration officers in operations including Operation Gull. The report is anticipated to be published in late 2008.

[wigantojapan]

japan has a very good standard of rugby and as you know or dont know craiglockhart is close to where Heriots play..

Aye, sure, we can all wax lyrical about the fifteen-man code... Japan v Hong Kong tomorrow for the Asian Five Nations and a place in the World Cup next year - topically enough in the same group as Scotland ...

SC

well i turned down the chance to go to the royal High because the sport they played the ball bounced funny,,so life might have sent me down the Tory elitist path if i did

It bounces the same as a League ball (near enough).

I committed my own resources to supporting deep coal mining in Scotland, and I might as well have flushed my money down the toilet, but for the entertainment it gave my colleagues. I then invested in Lancashire manufacturing, with similar results

SC

plenty licenses going for the oil fields now then even though the no side have told us the oil is running out or even the energy deficient south needs our energy ..so you could invest in that and help our poor wee neighbours

[StreetCowboy]

japan has a very good standard of rugby and as you know or dont know craiglockhart is close to where Heriots play..

Aye, sure, we can all wax lyrical about the fifteen-man code... Japan v Hong Kong tomorrow for the Asian Five Nations and a place in the World Cup next year - topically enough in the same group as Scotland ...

SC

well i turned down the chance to go to the royal High because the sport they played the ball bounced funny,,so life might have sent me down the Tory elitist path if i did

It bounces the same as a League ball (near enough).

I committed my own resources to supporting deep coal mining in Scotland, and I might as well have flushed my money down the toilet, but for the entertainment it gave my colleagues. I then invested in Lancashire manufacturing, with similar results

SC

plenty licenses going for the oil fields now then even though the no side have told us the oil is running out or even the energy deficient south needs our energy ..so you could invest in that and help our poor wee neighbours

I feel I'm already doing my bit as an SSE supporter

[7by7]

Quotes from earlier posts removed to comply with forum software.

The UK is a nation made up of 4 countries, much the same as the USA is a nation made up of 50 states; although our political systems are different.

Scotland, currently, is no more an independent country than Texas is.

Following your logic, the south east of England is a separate nation as it is a European parliament constituency; as are other regions of England. They must all be separate nations as well!

Not to mention the constituencies in other EU states; I wonder if they realise that they are separate nations and not, for example part of Germany or France!

The truth is, of course, that the European parliament does not consider Scotland to be a separate nation, but a constituency within the UK.

Have a look at your passport. It says on the front 'European Union' because the UK is part of the EU. But it also says 'United Kingdom of Great Britiain and Northern Ireland.' That's because it's a British passport; there is no such thing as a European passport per se.

You are right about one thing, though.

You say "Should I find myself in need of assistance from the British Embassy I would have no problems whatsoever, as a Scottish national, getting it,"

Exactly; British embassy, not Scottish embassy. As a British citizen you are entitled to the same assistance from them as any other British citizen.

But you go on "as all overseas Embassies and consulates are jointly owned and manned and operated by all the members of The United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland."

No, they are owned, or leased, by the Foreign Office. A department of the British government.

If correcting your assumptions and misinformed posts makes me a wally in your eyes, so be it.

Of course, RR denies any of the triumvirate use insults when posting, so I'm sure that you did not mean it as such.

More tripe. The UK is a UNION of 3 Nations and a part of another nation.
The USA is a nation made up of a number of STATES, not Nations.
We are all members of the European union are we not? So that must mean
by your logic we are all European nationals and there are no nations in
Europe, I would like to hear what the French,Dutch ,German ,etc, think of
that one.
The foreign office is a department of the British government which for the
timebeing consists of Scotland, Wales, Northern Ireland and England.
After the Yes vote you may remove Scotland from that list.
Unfortunately for you your semantics cannot hide the facts.
My requiring to correct your incorrect corrections does make you a Wally,
only a much bigger one than before.

Try telling a Northern Ireland unionist that they are part of any nation other than the UK. You wont have many teeth left afterwards!

The USA is a nation; and a union of 50 states. I did say that their political system is different to the UK. I didn't say it was a federal system and the UK isn't as I thought you knew that!

Citizens of an EU member state are also EU nationals; but we are still citizens of our own state. The EU is union of independent nations. Unlike the UK which is a union of four countries making one independent nation and unlike the USA which is a federal republic. Indeed, the EU itself contains at least one federal republic; Germany.

Yes, if Scotland becomes independent then it will no longer be part of the UK. I thought that was the whole point!

What an independent Scotland will do about foreign embassies is for the government of same to decide.

If Scotland were to become independent, then whether citizens of an independent Scotland will still be able to take advantage of the protection and facilities offered by British embassies until Scottish ones are up and running is something for the two governments to negotiate.

Got it now? If not, I'm sorry but I don't see how I can dumb it down any further.

[7by7]

Selective copy and paste is very disingenuous, especially when you don't provide a link

Don't provide a link?

Click on the blue words above the quote; the ones that say "this joint statement from the Irish and UK governments."

As for being selective, the forum rules (rule 13) do not permit a full quote from a source.

The bit in blue is a link, by the way.

[wigantojapan]

http://newsnetscotland.com/index.php/scottish-opinion/7670-former-british-ambassador-craig-murray-talks-about-the-immorality-of-the-uk-state-and-scottish-independence

[nontabury]

Are you saying you worked in Scotland for 25 years or England, Wales, Cornwall.?

Is this relevant?

Yes, to me it is so I can respond.......

As I posted elsewhere, when I graduated I got on my bike to seek opportunity; this at a time when the French Onion Johnnies officially needed a work permit to work in the U K, though it is a long time ago and I am not sure...

So I got on my bike for opportunity and also took the opportunity to develop an interest in rugby league, something I am sure our WtoJ is missing, in the Land of the Rising Sun, or Craiglockhart or wherever he is

SC

I would like to say, that "Yes" SC does know his stuff on Rugby League, just wish some of the other laddies where as knowledgable about the effects of a Yes vote in September.

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[wigantojapan]

I would like to say, that "Yes" SC does know his stuff on Rugby League, just wish some of the other laddies where as knowledgable about the effects of a Yes vote in September.

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your wish is granted,Here is a laddie with knowledge and understanding of CAUSE AND EFFECT

http://newsnetscotla...sh-independence

[StreetCowboy]

I'm delighted we've got a shill from the Yes campaign. WtoJ is better supported and meet coherent than the Chinese shills we so often get, and far less tedious than the chaps on the News fora (admittedly, not a demanding benchmark)

SC

[wigantojapan]

The news that Falkirk Council’s arms length Leisure Trust have now pulled misleading and factually inaccurate adverts for the NO campaign funded by Tory businessmen based in the North of England has been welcomed by members of YES Falkirk.

This follows a complaint lodged with the Trust and their paymasters, Falkirk Council by the local authority’s SNP Group who claimed the adds were a breach of council rules on the use of publicly owned facilities at election time

.http://www.snp-falkirk.org/new/2014/05/24/victory-for-snp-as-falkirk-council-pulls-no-campaign-adverts/

[wigantojapan]

Any rangers fan who votes yes is a loon .It will kill the club stone dead stone .A rangers without no troops because there wont be a british army no union jack because no Britain anymore no queen or rule britannia a tims wet dream. any self respecting rangers supporter won't vote for the death of the club ..Sons of William vote NO How can you be a loyalist if there's nothing to be loyal to

https://www.facebook.com/pages/Rangers-Fans-For-Independence/496385913730588?hc_location=timeline HE FALL OF FORTRESS LABOUR

To try and understand the possible reasons why the Labour party have suffered so badly in their traditional stronghold north of the border we have to look much further back than the catastrophic results on the 5th of May 2011. Being one of the main Unionist parties Labour have campaigned long and hard to keep Scotland within the United Kingdom. The biggest miscalculation they have made is to assume that the people of Scotland oppose autonomy as much as they seem to oppose separation.

[phuketjock]

Quotes from earlier posts removed to comply with forum software.

The UK is a nation made up of 4 countries, much the same as the USA is a nation made up of 50 states; although our political systems are different.

Scotland, currently, is no more an independent country than Texas is.

Following your logic, the south east of England is a separate nation as it is a European parliament constituency; as are other regions of England. They must all be separate nations as well!

Not to mention the constituencies in other EU states; I wonder if they realise that they are separate nations and not, for example part of Germany or France!

The truth is, of course, that the European parliament does not consider Scotland to be a separate nation, but a constituency within the UK.

Have a look at your passport. It says on the front 'European Union' because the UK is part of the EU. But it also says 'United Kingdom of Great Britiain and Northern Ireland.' That's because it's a British passport; there is no such thing as a European passport per se.

You are right about one thing, though.

You say "Should I find myself in need of assistance from the British Embassy I would have no problems whatsoever, as a Scottish national, getting it,"

Exactly; British embassy, not Scottish embassy. As a British citizen you are entitled to the same assistance from them as any other British citizen.

But you go on "as all overseas Embassies and consulates are jointly owned and manned and operated by all the members of The United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland."

No, they are owned, or leased, by the Foreign Office. A department of the British government.

If correcting your assumptions and misinformed posts makes me a wally in your eyes, so be it.

Of course, RR denies any of the triumvirate use insults when posting, so I'm sure that you did not mean it as such.

More tripe. The UK is a UNION of 3 Nations and a part of another nation.

The USA is a nation made up of a number of STATES, not Nations.

We are all members of the European union are we not? So that must mean

by your logic we are all European nationals and there are no nations in

Europe, I would like to hear what the French,Dutch ,German ,etc, think of

that one.

The foreign office is a department of the British government which for the

timebeing consists of Scotland, Wales, Northern Ireland and England.

After the Yes vote you may remove Scotland from that list.

Unfortunately for you your semantics cannot hide the facts.

My requiring to correct your incorrect corrections does make you a Wally,

only a much bigger one than before.

Try telling a Northern Ireland unionist that they are part of any nation other than the UK. You wont have many teeth left afterwards!

The USA is a nation; and a union of 50 states. I did say that their political system is different to the UK. I didn't say it was a federal system and the UK isn't as I thought you knew that!

Citizens of an EU member state are also EU nationals; but we are still citizens of our own state. The EU is union of independent nations. Unlike the UK which is a union of four countries making one independent nation and unlike the USA which is a federal republic. Indeed, the EU itself contains at least one federal republic; Germany.

Yes, if Scotland becomes independent then it will no longer be part of the UK. I thought that was the whole point!

What an independent Scotland will do about foreign embassies is for the government of same to decide.

If Scotland were to become independent, then whether citizens of an independent Scotland will still be able to take advantage of the protection and facilities offered by British embassies until Scottish ones are up and running is something for the two governments to negotiate.

Got it now? If not, I'm sorry but I don't see how I can dumb it down any further.

You may burble on all you like 7 but just because you keep repeating a lie it will not make it turn into a truth.

Does the fact that none of your no cronies have backed you up on your faciful claim that the UK is a nation

not give you clear indication of the complete invalidity of that claim??

Your constant tedious need to be right above all others reminds me of a spoilt child who stamps his feet when

denied any of his demands.

I had for some time thought that you were perhaps a member of the teaching fraternity with your superior and

condescending manner but as time has moved on I have changed my opinion on what your occupation might

be. I find myself now thinking that you may be someone who dons colourful oversize clothing and dances around

in a large tent for a living, am I close??

Just asking....................

Edited May 25, 2014 by phuketjock

[phuketjock]

http://newsnetscotland.com/index.php/scottish-opinion/7670-former-british-ambassador-craig-murray-talks-about-the-immorality-of-the-uk-state-and-scottish-independence

Spot on.

[7by7]

I see, PJ, that having been proven wrong you now descend even further into childishness.

You'll be telling me that your dad can beat up my dad next!

Which would actually be true as my dad died 4 years ago.

BTW, how many of your cronies have backed you up on the absurd idea that the UK is not a nation?

Edited May 25, 2014 by 7by7