Ex-Thai PM Abhisit indicted for murder over rally crackdown

[ggold]

Criminal Court grants bail to ex-PM Abhisit with Bt600,000 bail bond, bar him leaving Thailand, evidence examination scheduled for March 24 /MCOT

Does this answer the question whether or not the Dems will boycott the election on Feb 2?

I am of the opinion that the Dems should boycott the next election? Let the PTP make the mess of things that we know they will make of it all! For all the talk of Suthep and people power being equated to N Korea and the like misses the real point. It is an odd comparison considering Suthep is a royalist!

We I mean the Thai nation now have a caretaker government that is known for corruption. They are now free to enact any policy they want without the checks and balances in place. They have not suspended any of their policies which is maybe what they should do until new elections!

Let the country go bankrupt, which it probably will given PTP's dire miss management of finances, while making themselves personally richer.

[ggold]

Criminal Court allows bail for Abhisit

BANGKOK: -- The Criminal Court late this afternoon allowed bail for Democrat party leader Abhisit Vejjajiva indicted for his role in the fatal military crackdown of red-shirt protesters in May 2010.

Mr Abhisit’s lawyer Pundit Siriphan said that Mr Abhisit has insisted to the court judge on his innocence in performing his duty and denied all charges imposed on him by the attorney-general.

After hearing his defense and the posting of 1.8 million baht as a surety for bail, the court allowed his bail for temporary release without fixing any conditions.

But the court appointed March 24 as the date to examine additional required documents.

Abhisit left the court immediately after his bail was allowed without giving any interview to reporters.

Source: http://englishnews.thaipbs.or.th/criminal-court-allows-bail-abhisit/

-- Thai PBS 2013-12-12

Interesting that the court will wait till after the proposed elections! Is there a possibility that the case will be thrown out before then? If it was an attempt by PTP to have their main opponent behind bars before the elections, It has failed.

Does Thaksin really want this trial to go ahead knowing it can do as much damage to him if not more so than to Abhisit? If it is in the courts discretion, and assuming they find Abhisit not guilty, will they want to charge the Red Shirt leadership and Thaksin for sedition and terrorism for their parts in the 2010?

[webfact]

Abhisit indicted for ordering murder of Red Shirt protesters
By Digital Content



BANGKOK, Dec 12 – Two conflicting groups demonstrated at the Criminal Court today as the Attorney General formally indicted the then prime minister Abhisit Vejjajiva for alledged premeditated murder in the 2010 anti-government protest.

Former deputy prime minister Suthep Thaugsuban, co-defendant in the case, sought the court’s permission to report on January 16, reasoning that he was engaged in an obligation.

According to the indictment, Mr Abhisit and Mr Suthep were involved in premeditated murder for ordering the suppression of protesters of the United Front for Democracy against Dictatorship (the Red Shirt group) in 2010, resulting in deaths and injuries.

Mr Abhisit denied all charges and pledged to fight the case. The court granted him temporary release on bail after the former premier's lawyer posting a Bt600,000 bail bond. The court however barred him from leaving Thailand.

Evidence examination is scheduled for March 24, 2014.

Mr Abhisit immediately left the courthouse amid cheers by supporters and boos by opponents. (MCOT online news)


-- TNA 2013-12-12

[Nibbles48]

Absolutely zero evidence to even bring a court case.

This is a Thaksin lynch mob that WILL backfire in tremendous fashion, and when blood is shed, Yingluck and the AG should face manslaughter charges of their own.

[Nibbles48]

Criminal Court allows bail for Abhisit

BANGKOK: -- The Criminal Court late this afternoon allowed bail for Democrat party leader Abhisit Vejjajiva indicted for his role in the fatal military crackdown of red-shirt protesters in May 2010.

Mr Abhisit’s lawyer Pundit Siriphan said that Mr Abhisit has insisted to the court judge on his innocence in performing his duty and denied all charges imposed on him by the attorney-general.

After hearing his defense and the posting of 1.8 million baht as a surety for bail, the court allowed his bail for temporary release without fixing any conditions.

But the court appointed March 24 as the date to examine additional required documents.

Abhisit left the court immediately after his bail was allowed without giving any interview to reporters.

Source: http://englishnews.thaipbs.or.th/criminal-court-allows-bail-abhisit/

-- Thai PBS 2013-12-12

Interesting that the court will wait till after the proposed elections! Is there a possibility that the case will be thrown out before then? If it was an attempt by PTP to have their main opponent behind bars before the elections, It has failed.

Does Thaksin really want this trial to go ahead knowing it can do as much damage to him if not more so than to Abhisit? If it is in the courts discretion, and assuming they find Abhisit not guilty, will they want to charge the Red Shirt leadership and Thaksin for sedition and terrorism for their parts in the 2010?

Well Thaksin ought to really be facing premeditated murder charges for 2500 extra-judicial slaughterings in his war on drugs.

Every man is entitled to a fair trial, and that is a lot more than Thaksin gave those victims, and did it clean up drugs?... NO!

Most of the drugs in Thailand are being moved about by the police.

[GrantSmith]

Criminal Court grants bail to ex-PM Abhisit with Bt600,000 bail bond, bar him leaving Thailand, evidence examination scheduled for March 24 /MCOT

Does this answer the question whether or not the Dems will boycott the election on Feb 2?

I am of the opinion that the Dems should boycott the next election? Let the PTP make the mess of things that we know they will make of it all! For all the talk of Suthep and people power being equated to N Korea and the like misses the real point. It is an odd comparison considering Suthep is a royalist!

We I mean the Thai nation now have a caretaker government that is known for corruption. They are now free to enact any policy they want without the checks and balances in place. They have not suspended any of their policies which is maybe what they should do until new elections!

Let the country go bankrupt, which it probably will given PTP's dire miss management of finances, while making themselves personally richer.

I'm not sure you got my - subtle - point.

Given that Abhisit is now formally charged with a crime (alleged or otherwise) he is (as far as I'm aware) unable to run for election. This doesn't necessarily equate to the Dems boycotting the whole charade but it would give a pretty good indication of their direction.

As it currently stands, Thailand is in "caretaker" mode, no laws can be introduced for debate nor can bills be passed into law whilst in this state. So no, they're not free to do as they please.

Don't get me wrong, I believe these charges are trumped up and will be thrown out, in due course.

Give someone enough rope, they'll eventually hang themselves with it and all that

[SamMunich]

Of course this is a political game played out, and the outcome will to some extend depend on who has the better cards on hand at that specific point in time, when this culminates. Beside that, I don't recall Abhisit or Suthep ever having order the military to shoot to kill or anything close to that. Unlike Taksin, who I remember having said basically, that in his war on drugs lives will be lost.

Next we should remember, that not all 90+ dead were red-shirts, there were military and bystanders killed from the side of the red shirts, e.g. that military commander, who was killed by a sniper in the early days around Khao Sarn Road. Or the people, who died from a grenade, that came from Lumpini park. About 20 people, who died were NOT red shirts!

And last not least, let's stop claiming, that the anti-Taksin coalition stands only for the rich and middleclass folks. The Thais I talk to are mechanics at repair shops, working at food stalls or other simple people, and they detest the corruption, that came with Taksin and later his sister's government. Want to do them a favour? Give them one of these whistles! And a corruption-free government!

Sam M.

[Alwyn]

Suthep: Excuse me but can you postpone my murder trial please as I am busy leading another mass rally that might also end with more dead. That way you can just pin them all on me when I'm finished, thanks.

Suthep: And while you're postponing my murder trial can you postpone the insurrection charges so I can keep on causing more insurrection? No sorry, let me re-phrase that. YOU WILL POSTPONE THE TRIAL!! <stomps on the floor and punches one hand into the other - straight arm salute>

[whybother]

How could Abhisit possibly be guilty? After all, he was hiding in a bunker during the whole 2010 ordeal...

Is that the same bunker that Yingluck had a cabinet meeting in last week?

[whybother]

I'm not sure you got my - subtle - point.

Given that Abhisit is now formally charged with a crime (alleged or otherwise) he is (as far as I'm aware) unable to run for election. This doesn't necessarily equate to the Dems boycotting the whole charade but it would give a pretty good indication of their direction.

As it currently stands, Thailand is in "caretaker" mode, no laws can be introduced for debate nor can bills be passed into law whilst in this state. So no, they're not free to do as they please.

Don't get me wrong, I believe these charges are trumped up and will be thrown out, in due course.

Give someone enough rope, they'll eventually hang themselves with it and all that

Many (all??) of the red shirt MPs had been formally charged when they were elected. Jatuporn was even in jail when he was elected. Unfortunately (*cough*) he was forced to step down because he failed to vote at that election.

[JRSoul]

I'm not sure you got my - subtle - point.

Given that Abhisit is now formally charged with a crime (alleged or otherwise) he is (as far as I'm aware) unable to run for election. This doesn't necessarily equate to the Dems boycotting the whole charade but it would give a pretty good indication of their direction.

As it currently stands, Thailand is in "caretaker" mode, no laws can be introduced for debate nor can bills be passed into law whilst in this state. So no, they're not free to do as they please.

Don't get me wrong, I believe these charges are trumped up and will be thrown out, in due course.

Give someone enough rope, they'll eventually hang themselves with it and all that

Parties are not supposed to put forward unsuitable persons as party list candidates. OTOH the red shirt "leaders" such as Jatuporn, Korkaew, Weng etc were nominated this way in the 2011 election. Although the EC considered this as grounds for disbanding PTP, along with Thaksin's input as a banned politician, it failed to act, most likely due to apprehension of further political violence IMHO.

It would be highly hypocritical to not take the same attitude to Abhisit considering the general legal consensus that the charges are unlikely to succeed. More than that, it would allow politically based, and otherwise groundless, charges to reduce the Democrat's chances of electoral success.

[ggold]

Criminal Court grants bail to ex-PM Abhisit with Bt600,000 bail bond, bar him leaving Thailand, evidence examination scheduled for March 24 /MCOT

Does this answer the question whether or not the Dems will boycott the election on Feb 2?

I am of the opinion that the Dems should boycott the next election? Let the PTP make the mess of things that we know they will make of it all! For all the talk of Suthep and people power being equated to N Korea and the like misses the real point. It is an odd comparison considering Suthep is a royalist!

We I mean the Thai nation now have a caretaker government that is known for corruption. They are now free to enact any policy they want without the checks and balances in place. They have not suspended any of their policies which is maybe what they should do until new elections!

Let the country go bankrupt, which it probably will given PTP's dire miss management of finances, while making themselves personally richer.

I'm not sure you got my - subtle - point.

Given that Abhisit is now formally charged with a crime (alleged or otherwise) he is (as far as I'm aware) unable to run for election. This doesn't necessarily equate to the Dems boycotting the whole charade but it would give a pretty good indication of their direction.

As it currently stands, Thailand is in "caretaker" mode, no laws can be introduced for debate nor can bills be passed into law whilst in this state. So no, they're not free to do as they please.

Don't get me wrong, I believe these charges are trumped up and will be thrown out, in due course.

Give someone enough rope, they'll eventually hang themselves with it and all that

I may of exaggerated a bit, but they have already said the rice scheme will go ahead! And I wouldn't put it past them to try push others through.

It is the wonder of Thailand that being charged but not having been found guilty Abhisit could not run in the next election, Yet it is perfectly legal for a convicted criminal to control the government from afar!

It seems there are more holes in the Thai constitution and legal system then there are in a fishing net.

[harryfrompattaya]

the timing of this hearing is unfortunate but i predict and hope he will found innocent

it's a shame he's been pushed into the background by that maniac as he's about 10,000 years of evolution ahead of all other thai politicians

Can someone tell me was Ex Thai PM Abhisit born in England?

Did he give up or lose his British Citizenship?

[BanTamo]

and here I thought it was Thaksin who said the charges against him were 'politically motivated.' i'm so confused...

[MMarlow]

Criminal Court grants bail to ex-PM Abhisit with Bt600,000 bail bond, bar him leaving Thailand, evidence examination scheduled for March 24 /MCOT

Does this answer the question whether or not the Dems will boycott the election on Feb 2?

No it doesn't. Why would it?

[JRSoul]

and here I thought it was Thaksin who said the charges against him were 'politically motivated.' i'm so confused...

It is not difficult to come up with politically motivated charges, with or without legal value. Once those charges have been decided by a court and become convictions, the motivation for the charges becomes irrelevant.

[GrantSmith]

Criminal Court grants bail to ex-PM Abhisit with Bt600,000 bail bond, bar him leaving Thailand, evidence examination scheduled for March 24 /MCOT

Does this answer the question whether or not the Dems will boycott the election on Feb 2?

No it doesn't. Why would it?

Scroll to my following response regarding subtlety... Reading between the lines, subliminal messages and all that...

I believe Post #36 if you're playing along at home...

[Thaddeus]

the timing of this hearing is unfortunate but i predict and hope he will found innocent

it's a shame he's been pushed into the background by that maniac as he's about 10,000 years of evolution ahead of all other thai politicians

Can someone tell me was Ex Thai PM Abhisit born in England?

Did he give up or lose his British Citizenship?

Yes, he was born in the UK, to Thai parents.

Citizenship is not automatic in that scenario, it has to be applied for.

[unanimosity]

One thing for sure, the escalating hatred in the Thai community will not abate with moves like this, it would be highly un-likely that any leader of Thailand in recent times would issue a direct order to kill, the mission to control the problem would be the commander in charge of the law enforcement at ground level, the surprising aspect of the whole shebang was the patience the Democrats had in not going in earlier and cleaning up the anti social element that tarnished Thailand's reputation both at home and over sea's.

So despots like Hitler, Idi Amin, and Baby Doc are not responsible for carnage under their general orders? World opinion and tribunals would seem to disagree with your contention when the leaders authorize and empower the law enforecement at ground level.

[unanimosity]

the timing of this hearing is unfortunate but i predict and hope he will found innocent

it's a shame he's been pushed into the background by that maniac as he's about 10,000 years of evolution ahead of all other thai politicians

Can someone tell me was Ex Thai PM Abhisit born in England?

Did he give up or lose his British Citizenship?

Yes, he was born in the UK, to Thai parents.

Citizenship is not automatic in that scenario, it has to be applied for.

Are you certain he is not Vietnamese? He looks more Vietnamese than most Vietnamese. wait one....

Yep, as suspected he is Vietnamese...and, you can read about his Vietnamese bloodline here...

[unanimosity]

and here I thought it was Thaksin who said the charges against him were 'politically motivated.' i'm so confused...

D. All of the above.

[tragickingdom]

It is a good thing the amnesty did not went through. The main beneficiaries would have been scrupulous people like Abhisit and Suthep. The very people complaining the most about police brutality ... really. Snipers would make it 1-1 if someone took out Suthep. His family and friends would not complain, he did the same.

[CantSpell]

Always nice to see articles from independent and unbiased reporters

90 people died and nearly 1,900 were wounded in street clashes in the capital in 2010 between mostly unarmed pro-Thaksin "Red Shirt" demonstrators and security forces firing live rounds

That have had a good education and can analyze (re-write) history without second thought

How was your last vacation in Dubai?

[MobileContent]

Criminal Court allows bail for Abhisit

BANGKOK: -- The Criminal Court late this afternoon allowed bail for Democrat party leader Abhisit Vejjajiva indicted for his role in the fatal military crackdown of red-shirt protesters in May 2010.

Mr Abhisit’s lawyer Pundit Siriphan said that Mr Abhisit has insisted to the court judge on his innocence in performing his duty and denied all charges imposed on him by the attorney-general.

After hearing his defense and the posting of 1.8 million baht as a surety for bail, the court allowed his bail for temporary release without fixing any conditions.

But the court appointed March 24 as the date to examine additional required documents.

Abhisit left the court immediately after his bail was allowed without giving any interview to reporters.

Source: http://englishnews.thaipbs.or.th/criminal-court-allows-bail-abhisit/

-- Thai PBS 2013-12-12

Interesting that the court will wait till after the proposed elections! Is there a possibility that the case will be thrown out before then? If it was an attempt by PTP to have their main opponent behind bars before the elections, It has failed.

Does Thaksin really want this trial to go ahead knowing it can do as much damage to him if not more so than to Abhisit? If it is in the courts discretion, and assuming they find Abhisit not guilty, will they want to charge the Red Shirt leadership and Thaksin for sedition and terrorism for their parts in the 2010?

Well Thaksin ought to really be facing premeditated murder charges for 2500 extra-judicial slaughterings in his war on drugs.

Every man is entitled to a fair trial, and that is a lot more than Thaksin gave those victims, and did it clean up drugs?... NO!

Most of the drugs in Thailand are being moved about by the police.

The ARMY has a big hand in it as well.

[Basil B]

If Abhisit is guilty of murder based on him being the head of government, that would make Tony Blair, Margret Thatcher, GWB, and virtually every other current and former leader of government a murderer too.

does that mean Thaksin is a murderer? Is Yingluck responsible for the deaths last week?

This is a dangerous president that may come back to bite the politicians who are obviously trying to discredit Abhisit.

[Bonno1971]

@Basil B. Neither the police or Yingluck are responsible for the death of red shirt supporters last week. It was pro Suthep supporters who inflicted this violence.

[ggold]

@Basil B. Neither the police or Yingluck are responsible for the death of red shirt supporters last week. It was pro Suthep supporters who inflicted this violence.

That's why there were reports that police fired on students last week? allegedly

[GrantSmith]

 

 

the timing of this hearing is unfortunate but i predict and hope he will found innocent

 

it's a shame he's been pushed into the background by that maniac as he's about 10,000 years of evolution ahead of all other thai politicians

Can someone tell me was  Ex Thai PM  Abhisit born in England?

 

Did he give up or lose his British Citizenship?  

 

 

 

Yes, he was born in the UK, to Thai parents.

 

Citizenship is not automatic in that scenario, it has to be applied for.

 

 

Are you certain he is not Vietnamese? He looks more Vietnamese than most Vietnamese. wait one....

 

Yep, as suspected he is Vietnamese...and, you can read about his Vietnamese bloodline here...

Since we're going to use Wikipedia as our source for all things true and correct, you really should have gone further into that article.. Han Chinese.. So no, he isn't Vietnamese...

[pkspeaker]

Funny thing is, the PhuaThai's much maligned amnesty bill would have exonerated Abhisit and Suthep for these murder charges, it also would have excused Sohndi and the other yellow shirts charged for the airport takeover in 2008..and of courcse our friend Thaksin Shinawatra.. I think some of these people may live to regret that it was killed.

[Gone]

At least one doesn't need to buy comic books while in Thailand.