bluie3 Posted January 25, 2014 Share Posted January 25, 2014 In some way this is to save the DP and help it survive...There is a constitution provision that states boycotting an election twice, will eliminate any given political Party.....Now the EC and PAD-Dem user-friendly courts are trying to save the Party...To their surprise, the street stuff has been unable to dislodge Ms. Y....so they need to do something....It is my understanding though, that the PTP is advising its' candidates, "Full speed ahead"....It is all a game, and who knows the reality at this point.....I don't think the coup-mongers will accept this anyway...It just emasculates them for the inevitable election a short time from now, and Suthep with his co-leaders will be under immediate law enforcement pressure. WOW - checkmate!!! If the Dems don't contest then they are OUT as a political party. If the election goes ahead there will be bi-elections for those unfilled seats - Suthep has been outsmarted by a PM who some posters think is a dummy, a dumb puppet, - no, she is a fine graduate with Master Degree from one of the finest Universities in Thailand - Chiang Mai - and even the PCAD can't disagree with that because their own Meglomaniac leader is graduate from C M U too (you can read this if you google his name and read Wikipedia) 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LadPhrao123 Posted January 25, 2014 Share Posted January 25, 2014 All that's needed to make yours a completely forgettable post is in your first sentence statement "the Thai people". Grab a flag, wear a pin, mouth patriotism, claim to represent 'the people'. it's a disease of the political right side of politics. The rest unsupported conjecture on what had been until 90 days ago a vibrant and teflon economy. Fully operative and capable of managing it's challenges. Thaksin is and was a brilliant and successful businessman. He improved the poor quality of life in Thailand. He might be able to pull the country back after the Dems/PDRC/NSPRT have had their throw at running it to ground. I don't see anyone else in Thailand with those capabilities standing for government. Why does a "brilliant and successful businessman" have to resort to rigged bids, monopoly, abuse of position, tax evasion, corruption and insider trading? Why does my dog lick his balls? Because he can. Well noted your presumptions which are only that. And please show enough intelligence that you don't try to support them with the decisions of the coup installed Democrat party government and it's running dog the Judicial Court that 'convicted' Thaksin. Whatever the truth is about any of those accusations the thing known as xxxx, the military and the installed Democrat party tainted and robbed Thaksin and Thailand of any chance of a credible airing of the accusations. Second, welcome to international Business 1A. Maybe you read the newspapers. It's a jungle out there. And questions of business propriety are settled with attorneys and in credible courts, not public opinion and hearsay. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Artisi Posted January 25, 2014 Share Posted January 25, 2014 "Thailands embattled government has offered to call off an election set for February 2 if protesters end their rallies and promise not to obstruct or boycott a new one within months." Do they really think this is what the protestors want? How will this meet their demands for reform? Clueless. Agreed. But to balance this out, could Suthep be any more arrogant when he says it would be better if you don't go out to the polling stations because the PCAD are taking them over. He clearly can't stand the idea of people making their own minds up. And some farang posters on here still praise him. He gets more fascistic by he day.No argument from me there. At the end of the day, does it matter how sane, or crazy, or stupid or what ever Suthep is labelled / called even if he does in fact fit one of the descriptions. It seems he now has the corrupt government / fugitive/ clone on the back foot, was probably the catalyst for stopping the amnesty bill that would have wiped the slate clean for all and sundry and has woken a vast majority of the population up to the fact they have been conned, ripped-off and lied to all because of Thaksin's greed and ambition to be another Napoleon, emperor of Thailand and messiah to the poor, money hoarder, benefactor to his family, friends and anyone else who wants to kiss his arse. Just hope he keeps the pressure on until someone or something puts a stop to the crap going on from all sides and get Thailand back onto the path of recovery. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LadPhrao123 Posted January 25, 2014 Share Posted January 25, 2014 In some way this is to save the DP and help it survive...There is a constitution provision that states boycotting an election twice, will eliminate any given political Party.....Now the EC and PAD-Dem user-friendly courts are trying to save the Party...To their surprise, the street stuff has been unable to dislodge Ms. Y....so they need to do something....It is my understanding though, that the PTP is advising its' candidates, "Full speed ahead"....It is all a game, and who knows the reality at this point.....I don't think the coup-mongers will accept this anyway...It just emasculates them for the inevitable election a short time from now, and Suthep with his co-leaders will be under immediate law enforcement pressure. WOW - checkmate!!! If the Dems don't contest then they are OUT as a political party. If the election goes ahead there will be bi-elections for those unfilled seats - Suthep has been outsmarted by a PM who some posters think is a dummy, a dumb puppet, - no, she is a fine graduate with Master Degree from one of the finest Universities in Thailand - Chiang Mai - and even the PCAD can't disagree with that because their own Meglomaniac leader is graduate from C M U too (you can read this if you google his name and read Wikipedia) As they say "Your mouth to God's ear" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JAG Posted January 25, 2014 Share Posted January 25, 2014 She really does not have much of an option, the election at the moment looks likely to end in disaster. She and her associates dont seem to have much of an idea what to about the current situation, but, on the other hand if Suthep and friends did get into a position of power albeit temporarily to "fix things" would that be any better option? Thai politics is in a sorry state, no wonder tourists dont come they would not know what to expect, they can only guess and the safe guess is to go somewhere else this year. Dont seem to be many Chinese around either. To the outside world Thailand seems to lurching from one crisis to another with no end in sight. If Suthep and friends get into power, you can be certain that it will not bw temporary. Once they are in they will make damn sure that Pheu Thai, in whatever incarnation ( and you can take that as meaning the rural electorate North and East of Bangkok) will never have a say again. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
smedly Posted January 25, 2014 Share Posted January 25, 2014 election or not PTP have proved beyond doubt they are not fit for office - that is obvious having corrupt elections to vote in an extremely corrupt administration is not the answer no matter if they got 90% of the vote It simply will not work until solid reforms are carried out - I'm not saying Suthep is the person to do it but very large chunk of the people want it to happen and in my opinion it has to happen and a referendum afterwards so the people can approve any changes 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
max72 Posted January 25, 2014 Share Posted January 25, 2014 "Thailands embattled government has offered to call off an election set for February 2 if protesters end their rallies and promise not to obstruct or boycott a new one within months." Do they really think this is what the protestors want? How will this meet their demands for reform? Clueless. But which laws they want to "reform" ? The 2006 Constitution was made by the military government which had outsed the Thaksin government. The previous one, in 1992, was made after the massacre of the students and the return to the civilian rule with the Democratic Party in power. All these laws and rules were made either by the Dems or by the army, not by Thaksin. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
diehard60 Posted January 25, 2014 Share Posted January 25, 2014 The way I read this, and I understand English pretty good, is that suthep is not asking but telling people he (suthep) will not allow you to get to the poling stations to cast your vote, which is your deomcatic duty to do so. This is another attempt for him to beome the dictator of thailand. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GazR Posted January 25, 2014 Share Posted January 25, 2014 BLINK. Every timer she blinks, they realise it is working more and more. I predict ; They will go more peaceful and less disruptive, but not go away. The goal is to remove Thaksin's hands from the ability to use public funds to buy the next election in Rice country and to increase the government's embarrassment for inept governance and mounting losses for the nation. She just isn't appearing steely enough to stand fast an against this continuous pressure. There's always the 'ugly sister'. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jaidam Posted January 25, 2014 Share Posted January 25, 2014 She's clinging to power tighter than a grundlewig to a bear's ringpiece. With every passing day, and every murdered peaceful protester she is digging her hole deeper and deeper. Just how many deaths will it take for her to realize that this pro-corruption, pro-nepotism, anti-democratic rabble she is the mascot for is on its way out, the damage has been well and truly done and there is no possible way to recover her grip on power. She almost pulled it off but her amnesty and re-emburse Thaksin bill broke the camel's back. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
diehard60 Posted January 25, 2014 Share Posted January 25, 2014 "Thailands embattled government has offered to call off an election set for February 2 if protesters end their rallies and promise not to obstruct or boycott a new one within months." Do they really think this is what the protestors want? How will this meet their demands for reform? Clueless. They dont want reform they want a dictatorship and that is not democracy where I come from. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
max72 Posted January 25, 2014 Share Posted January 25, 2014 (edited) In some way this is to save the DP and help it survive...There is a constitution provision that states boycotting an election twice, will eliminate any given political Party.....Now the EC and PAD-Dem user-friendly courts are trying to save the Party...To their surprise, the street stuff has been unable to dislodge Ms. Y....so they need to do something....It is my understanding though, that the PTP is advising its' candidates, "Full speed ahead"....It is all a game, and who knows the reality at this point.....I don't think the coup-mongers will accept this anyway...It just emasculates them for the inevitable election a short time from now, and Suthep with his co-leaders will be under immediate law enforcement pressure. WOW - checkmate!!! If the Dems don't contest then they are OUT as a political party. If the election goes ahead there will be bi-elections for those unfilled seats - Suthep has been outsmarted by a PM who some posters think is a dummy, a dumb puppet, - no, she is a fine graduate with Master Degree from one of the finest Universities in Thailand - Chiang Mai - and even the PCAD can't disagree with that because their own Meglomaniac leader is graduate from C M U too (you can read this if you google his name and read Wikipedia) As they say "Your mouth to God's ear" And you know, when the Democratic Party was still acceptably democratic, in the 90s, many of the members hate Suthep for his authoritarian, antidemocratic tactics and his corruption. He cheated people, he was convicted several times , he brought down the only decent Dem government (Chuan Leekpai) and still wants to talk about morality. He is the least qualified people in the whole Thailand to talk about democracy and honesty. Please look for his curriculum or go and talk with people in Surat Thani. He tried to organized a march of Surath Thani people to Bangkok years ago when he was tainted by the upmost case of corruption, but nobody followed him. In Surat everybody knows how corrupt Suthep is. Thaksin pales in front of him. Edited January 25, 2014 by max72 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thailiketoo Posted January 25, 2014 Share Posted January 25, 2014 "Thailands embattled government has offered to call off an election set for February 2 if protesters end their rallies and promise not to obstruct or boycott a new one within months." Do they really think this is what the protestors want? How will this meet their demands for reform? Clueless. They dont want reform they want a dictatorship and that is not democracy where I come from. Where do you come from? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GazR Posted January 25, 2014 Share Posted January 25, 2014 "Thailands embattled government has offered to call off an election set for February 2 if protesters end their rallies and promise not to obstruct or boycott a new one within months." Do they really think this is what the protestors want? How will this meet their demands for reform? Clueless. Interesting, and Suthep is saying that they're there as a show of objection to the elections and his people are not to obstruct voters. It certainly doesn't sound as if he's sticking to one script, story, chain of events, or consequences. All it suggests is that he needs help getting into his jacket... Sent from my GT-I9300T using Thaivisa Connect Thailand mobile app Sure he's crazy - like a fox. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
diehard60 Posted January 25, 2014 Share Posted January 25, 2014 Government continues to crumble. They're just delaying the inevitable now - the Shins are going to have to go. Ok the shins have to go. So what do you want to take over the sutheps???? These are murderers of 90 people and dont have time to go to court to plead NG. What a joke. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Artisi Posted January 25, 2014 Share Posted January 25, 2014 "Thailands embattled government has offered to call off an election set for February 2 if protesters end their rallies and promise not to obstruct or boycott a new one within months." Do they really think this is what the protestors want? How will this meet their demands for reform? Clueless. But which laws they want to "reform" ? The 2006 Constitution was made by the military government which had outsed the Thaksin government. The previous one, in 1992, was made after the massacre of the students and the return to the civilian rule with the Democratic Party in power. All these laws and rules were made either by the Dems or by the army, not by Thaksin. Did anyone say anything about "reforming " laws and also, maybe Thaksin didn't make any laws but he certainly knew how to break the existing ones. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
diehard60 Posted January 25, 2014 Share Posted January 25, 2014 "Thailands embattled government has offered to call off an election set for February 2 if protesters end their rallies and promise not to obstruct or boycott a new one within months." Do they really think this is what the protestors want? How will this meet their demands for reform? Clueless. They dont want reform they want a dictatorship and that is not democracy where I come from. Where do you come from? Thailand. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rickirs Posted January 25, 2014 Share Posted January 25, 2014 The Court's ruling gives the PTP and Yingluck the perfect political tool. They just declare that the next elections will occur whenever Suthep agrees to a date that he can guarantee peaceful voting. He won't, and the PTP / Yingluck remain in control of the Government for an indefinite time. And short of a violent overthrow of the Government, Suthep remains outside of the legislative process with no political power. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
diehard60 Posted January 25, 2014 Share Posted January 25, 2014 "Thailands embattled government has offered to call off an election set for February 2 if protesters end their rallies and promise not to obstruct or boycott a new one within months." Do they really think this is what the protestors want? How will this meet their demands for reform? Clueless. Not clueless, just trying to hold on to power.....Reforms is the last the Shinawatras want.... I guess you want the reforms that suthep wants - dictatorship. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
3NUMBAS Posted January 25, 2014 Share Posted January 25, 2014 if you give in to the bully he will want more and more ,not a good move .nobody has the balls to take him on full frontal and put him behind bars Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jitenshaman Posted January 25, 2014 Share Posted January 25, 2014 "Thailands embattled government has offered to call off an election set for February 2 if protesters end their rallies and promise not to obstruct or boycott a new one within months." Do they really think this is what the protestors want? How will this meet their demands for reform? Clueless. They dont want reform they want a dictatorship and that is not democracy where I come from. Where do you come from? Thailand. just to let you know, in most parts of the world that have democracy, people don't get paid to go to protest nor to vote for that matter, they do so because they believe in it. I think Thailand kind of falls pretty short in that department. And by the way, in most democracies, when elected leaders break the law or abuse their power and get caught, they are usually impeached, jailed, or forever banned from politics. Thailand again seems to fall a bit short in this department. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
metisdead Posted January 25, 2014 Share Posted January 25, 2014 Some off topic posts have been removed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
anon467367354 Posted January 25, 2014 Share Posted January 25, 2014 (edited) "Thailands embattled government has offered to call off an election set for February 2 if protesters end their rallies and promise not to obstruct or boycott a new one within months." Do they really think this is what the protestors want? How will this meet their demands for reform? Clueless. What Suthep wants, is not what the country wants, kindly refer to the poll on this forum, that state 79% of Thai's polled plan to vote! Finally, the elitist lapdogs on the Court realize they have no authority to make such a ruling on postponing an election under the constitution. And referred to the Army cancelling the 2006 election,in their decision that it had been done before! (very thin legal grounds) It places the Government back in control of the situation, Yingluck offered reasonable conditions that all parties must agree to prior to such an agreement. If they refuse to agree on the reasonable offer. Then is by there refusal, to end the protest, that the election was not postponed. Ball back in your court, Suthep! Classic! How does calling an election without agreeing to discuss the protesters calls for change change anything? All this "offer" does is change the date, nothing else. suthep's fascist council isn't the solution but the protesters feel there does need to be change and some sort of framework created to bring it about. Changing the date won't do this. As for polls, a poll gives the answers the pollsters want it to. What part of the "Majority Rule" in a democratic system, do you not understand, A democracy is ruled by the vote of the majority, not the illegal acts of the minority. Yes I know a common tactic is to question the validity of a poll that does not favor, your opinion. Cheers but then again a true democracy represents all the people and a party system represents only those that like that party, and even then, usually the party represents the members of the party and has nothing to do with those that actually voted for said party. That's the problem, the government doesn't even represent the people that voted for them. Edited January 25, 2014 by gr8fldanielle Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thaisaregrt Posted January 25, 2014 Share Posted January 25, 2014 (edited) lets be honest here, the only reason she is offering to postpone the election is because she knows they cannot pay the rice farmers before feb2 and she will be shit. If she postpones it she will be able to try to get the money for them and buy their votes back, anyone saying any different is just a fool and easily lied too but then thats their choice to be totally ignorant. Edited January 25, 2014 by thaisaregrt 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post anon467367354 Posted January 25, 2014 Popular Post Share Posted January 25, 2014 "Thailands embattled government has offered to call off an election set for February 2 if protesters end their rallies and promise not to obstruct or boycott a new one within months." Do they really think this is what the protestors want? How will this meet their demands for reform? Clueless. Not clueless, just trying to hold on to power.....Reforms is the last the Shinawatras want.... I guess you want the reforms that suthep wants - dictatorship. A people's council is a dictatorship? Suthep doesn't even want to be a part of the government, he just wants the corruption out before the country is irreparably damaged. What's wrong with that? 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MaxLee Posted January 25, 2014 Share Posted January 25, 2014 lets be honest here, the only reason she is offering to postpone the election is because she knows they cannot pay the rice farmers before feb2 and she will be shit. If she postpones it she will be able to try to get the money for them and buy their votes back, anyone saying any different is just a fool and easily lied too but then thats their choice to be totally ignorant. Right to the point, either way works in Thaksin's favor.... and that's all it takes,... Cha yen-yen the taxpayers and Falang to the point of insanity until their mind explodes.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thaisaregrt Posted January 25, 2014 Share Posted January 25, 2014 Government continues to crumble. They're just delaying the inevitable now - the Shins are going to have to go. Ok the shins have to go. So what do you want to take over the sutheps???? These are murderers of 90 people and dont have time to go to court to plead NG. What a joke. actually suthep maybe an idiot but he is not guilty of murder, the army is if anything. The army are the ones that decided to pull the triggers, they were put there to keep the peace and returned fire after they were shot at, thats also self defence. When will they arrest the reds that murdered the people/soldiers or are they ok because thaksin said they could do it. Until proven in a court which will never happen(due entirely to the truth) suthep is innocent of murder, just guilty of being Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
redsox44 Posted January 25, 2014 Share Posted January 25, 2014 At this point who gives a sh_t. Sick and tired of reading about what if's, what not's. maybe's. The supreme leader currently running around Bangkok padding the pockets of his major supporter's pockets, yea like he really needs the money, is just as crooked as what we have now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gweiloman Posted January 25, 2014 Share Posted January 25, 2014 lets be honest here, the only reason she is offering to postpone the election is because she knows they cannot pay the rice farmers before feb2 and she will be shit. If she postpones it she will be able to try to get the money for them and buy their votes back, anyone saying any different is just a fool and easily lied too but then thats their choice to be totally ignorant. Right then Einstein. How does postponing the elections get the farmers paid? If anything, postponing the elections will mean the farmers get paid even later. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BuddyPinkham Posted January 25, 2014 Share Posted January 25, 2014 She knows damn well that this is not what the protest are about and she knows her offer won't be accepted. Now she can say she made the offer and it was refused. Saving Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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