NSPTR Leader Killed During Election Blockade Rally

[brewsterbudgen]

Finally, now Suthep will see the damage he has done to his country in his effort to gain leadership other than the ballot box. Shame on this terrible excuse of a man.

Thaksin is the person who corrupted and damaged Thailand and then he financed and armed redshirt thugs and installed his sister as a puppet.

Thaksin is responsible for all the violence North South East and West and now in the centre.

Do you really believe this nonsense?

[TVGerry]

Oh yes the protestors are 'bad people'. The 'good people' are the ones that had someone shot dead in cold blood today.

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Looked like an act of self defence to me. Here are some of the weapons found in the truck belonging to the dead terrorist.image.jpg

Live by the sword, die by the sword. Everyone wo lives in Thailand knows that if you go out looking for trouble you can find it.

RT@AndersInNon: "@Vvsay7: One of my colleague went to crime scene at Wat Sri Eiam Poll Station, he witnessed Police destroying all evidence > Any example?

Seeing that the police are not exactly neutral in this, I tend not to trust what they find.

[lostinsurin]

So is locking people out of their right to vote and threats to thier person and work..... terrorism is not defined just by bombs, go read the definition you silly person

By definition, you can label a lot of things as 'terrorism' when we know the protestors are not. Likewise, there are a lot of things the present government has done that can be labelled as 'terrorism' by definition. Doesn't mean it's right either way.

'terrorism'

"we know the protestors are not"

"Doesn't mean it's right either way".

I think you need to think more clearly gerry,

don't let hatred confuse you, chill.

[Publicus]

When you prevent millions of people from exercising their voting rights you are bound to make a few bad ones angry. Killing someone is always wrong but he knew the risks of his actions and paid the price.

How can people vote if there is not any opposition party ? voting in this situation is absolutely unconstitutional !!

Huh?

What do you mean. There are single party votes all over the democratic world.

Don't come the, its undemocratic line if the opposition voluntarily doesn't pitch.

For sure.

Where I come from when the opposition is a no-show they forfeit to you. You get the W, they get the L.

[TVGerry]

So is locking people out of their right to vote and threats to thier person and work..... terrorism is not defined just by bombs, go read the definition you silly person

By definition, you can label a lot of things as 'terrorism' when we know the protestors are not. Likewise, there are a lot of things the present government has done that can be labelled as 'terrorism' by definition. Doesn't mean it's right either way.

'terrorism'

"we know the protestors are not"

"Doesn't mean it's right either way".

I think you need to think more clearly gerry,

don't let hatred confuse you, chill.

Nothing confusing really. If you don't get the gist of what I'm saying, all you need to do is ask, I won't say you're feebleminded.

[mrtoad]

I can and so does everyone else here from one, even the ones pretending this fascist and terrorist action is ok, they know exactly how their own country and people would react.

Absolutely. Life sentence for Nattwut, Jatuporn, Arisman and others responsible for carnage in 2010. If the law was applied back then we would not have to go through this crap all over again, would we? I seriously question your sanity today. Trying to justify a murder of unarmed old fella is just not on.

Agreed on that point. Funny how PTP supporters seem to conveniently forget the actions of their leaders in 2009 and 2010.

[englishoak]

I can and so does everyone else here from one, even the ones pretending this fascist and terrorist action is ok, they know exactly how their own country and people would react.

Absolutely. Life sentence for Nattwut, Jatuporn, Arisman and others responsible for carnage in 2010. If the law was applied back then we would not have to go through this crap all over again, would we? I seriously question your sanity today. Trying to justify a murder of unarmed old fella is just not on.

And I seriously question your cognitive behaviour and logic in most of your posts every day. I didnt even mention the dead guy you did, stop pretending im attempting to justify anything it is simply fact when you try to repress certain rights people will react most strongly and people will get hurt or worse.

Your simply a fascist sympathiser and repeatedly trying to spin posts wont work, i will not be played or put up with the likes of you.

Edited January 26, 2014 by englishoak

[Thai at Heart]

When you prevent millions of people from exercising their voting rights you are bound to make a few bad ones angry. Killing someone is always wrong but he knew the risks of his actions and paid the price.

But it is probably even deeper than this election. The protesters--as the elites that they are or think they are--have for decades declared the poorer, less influential, farmers and beyond Bangkok folk, to be not intelligent enough to vote and have looked down their noses at these citizens with disdain. How long did the elites think this could last, especially after Thaksin awoke the beyond Bangkok crowd and showed them the power of the vote that resulted in repeated victories whilst the self-proclaimed elites couldn't come close to winning an election.

Now come the TV echo chambers reverberating Suthep's contention that he even cried to Obama about in a letter, that the only reason Thaksin has been able to win elections is due to vote buying. Well, any child would recognize that if this were fact it would be in Suthep's best interest to welcome the election and then invite independent international monitors to expose all the problems in order to invalidate and overturn the election results and dismantle PTP and Thaksin forever in Thai politics and world opinion. Any child can figure this out so why block elections that are illegal when such illegality would be the coup de mort for Thaksin and PTP?

Clearly, things are not as they are being made to appear.

I enjoy the story... and if I'd have free time... no doubt..., I'd go along with that _grand_ conclusion:

"Clearly, things are not as they are being made to appear."

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Sorry na, content noise, cdn't resist

There is no peaceful way for this mob to stop the people going to the polls.

If I was the red right now I would muster thousands to go to every polling station and enter.

It would push sutheps hand.

[TVGerry]

No it's not terrorism on a the basis of a single person. Preventing an entire electoral process would be unconstitutional and probably thus treasonous.

What is the standard punishment for that?

Treason is punishable by death. But in the eyes of the protestors, the Shinawatras are the treasonous scum of this country. It's like in a civil war, there are the loyalists and then there are patriots. Both have nice sounding names and both sides are right in their own eyes.

[Mackie]

Oh yes the protestors are 'bad people'. The 'good people' are the ones that had someone shot dead in cold blood today.

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Looked like an act of self defence to me. Here are some of the weapons found in the truck belonging to the dead terrorist.image.jpg

Live by the sword, die by the sword. Everyone wo lives in Thailand knows that if you go out looking for trouble you can find it.

Cut the crap. Have some decency and acknowledge that the scum killed completely unarmed old fella. Actually he was the one who tried to avoid confrontation. Self-defense my backside. Three shots. Head, heart and abdomen. A murder. Do not even try to justify it.

[Thai at Heart]

No it's not terrorism on a the basis of a single person. Preventing an entire electoral process would be unconstitutional and probably thus treasonous.

What is the standard punishment for that?

Treason is punishable by death. But in the eyes of the protestors, the Shinawatras are the treasonous scum of this country. It's like in a civil war, there are the loyalists and then there are patriots. Both have nice sounding names and both sides are right in their own eyes.

Take that up with the shinawatras, not the voting public. Barring the general public from voting is I think treasonous. By the way, no one votes for the shinawatras, they vote for a party.

If someone tried to bar me from voting, hmmmm. Big problem and a very very very slippery slope.

How do they know which party these people want to vote for?

Edited January 26, 2014 by Thai at Heart

[kimamey]

There's nothing more retarded than watching foreigners take sides and argue about Thai politics onThaivisa.

I'm confused. Who is it that's watching foreigners take sides and argue about Thai politics on Thaivisa? According to you they're retarded and since you're replying to the thread I assume you're watching foreigners take sides and argue about Thai politics onThaivisa. So does that mean you think you're retarded? Or are you referring to those arguing and you're not quite good enough to write it down correctly?.

[englishoak]

No it's not terrorism on a the basis of a single person. Preventing an entire electoral process would be unconstitutional and probably thus treasonous.

What is the standard punishment for that?

Treason is punishable by death. But in the eyes of the protestors, the Shinawatras are the treasonous scum of this country. It's like in a civil war, there are the loyalists and then there are patriots. Both have nice sounding names and both sides are right in their own eyes.

Royalists do not run the country by law and this is not an absolute monarchy.

[TVGerry]

No it's not terrorism on a the basis of a single person. Preventing an entire electoral process would be unconstitutional and probably thus treasonous.

What is the standard punishment for that?

Treason is punishable by death. But in the eyes of the protestors, the Shinawatras are the treasonous scum of this country. It's like in a civil war, there are the loyalists and then there are patriots. Both have nice sounding names and both sides are right in their own eyes.

Take that up with the shinawatras, not the voting public. Barring the general public from voting is I think treasonous. By the way, no one votes for the shinawatras, they vote for a party.

If someone tried to bar me from voting, hmmmm. Big problem and a very very very slippery slope.

How do they know which party these people want to vote for?

Well some think it's treasonous and some think it's not. I am for the latter.

Whatever the case, what happened today was cold blooded murder. Even if you think what this fella did was treason, he was still assassinated.

[firestar]

Oh yes the protestors are 'bad people'. The 'good people' are the ones that had someone shot dead in cold blood today.

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Looked like an act of self defence to me. Here are some of the weapons found in the truck belonging to the dead terrorist.image.jpg

Live by the sword, die by the sword. Everyone wo lives in Thailand knows that if you go out looking for trouble you can find it.

RT@AndersInNon: "@Vvsay7: One of my colleague went to crime scene at Wat Sri Eiam Poll Station, he witnessed Police destroying all evidence > Any example?

Seeing that the police are not exactly neutral in this, I tend not to trust what they find.

Here is another tweet on AndresInNon's feed :

Brave Thai lady breaks thru PDRC anti-democracy mob, climbs over locked gate, in order to vote in Bangkok today... pic.twitter.com/M5AmglVltm

The one you quote is actually a response from Vvsay7 a Thai tweeter whose feed is full of yellow shirt rhetoric, it show three wood sticks on the grass. Nothing else.

[TVGerry]

No it's not terrorism on a the basis of a single person. Preventing an entire electoral process would be unconstitutional and probably thus treasonous.

What is the standard punishment for that?

Treason is punishable by death. But in the eyes of the protestors, the Shinawatras are the treasonous scum of this country. It's like in a civil war, there are the loyalists and then there are patriots. Both have nice sounding names and both sides are right in their own eyes.

Royalists do not run the country by law and this is not an absolute monarchy.

Thanks for sharing absolutely nothing.

[Baerboxer]

Once again we see the true colours of the reds, they are the violent thugs and will kill anyone who op[poses them, even peacefull protesters. This is directly on yingluck and she is now responsible for this death. Comeon all you red lovers, start bragging how great you are now .

Please let me remind you once again. It was not Yingluck that started this problem, but his excellency the mouth from the south. So this death has to be directly his responsibility. If he had not started this problem, that man would still be alive and waiting for the next election whilst the Elected government would be getting on with running the country as they were popularly elected by a large majority to do.

A disgusting post by oldsailor35 condoning the use of violence, as a means to an end, with total disrespect to the victim and his family. SHAME ON YOU !

Indeed. Distorts the facts and uses a man's death to further his support for a corrupt regime he wrongly claims was elected "by a large majority".

The problem was started by 2.5 years of inept government, caught out telling lies and facing an array of corruption charges, The final insult to the Thai people was the attempt at cheating an amnesty bill through parliament that was aimed at whitewashing the crook that owns and controls them. He really misjudged the reaction of the Thai people and has been desperate to cling on to power since so he can try and push the bill into law when it returns,

[lostinsurin]

So is locking people out of their right to vote and threats to thier person and work..... terrorism is not defined just by bombs, go read the definition you silly person

By definition, you can label a lot of things as 'terrorism' when we know the protestors are not. Likewise, there are a lot of things the present government has done that can be labelled as 'terrorism' by definition. Doesn't mean it's right either way.

'terrorism'

"we know the protestors are not"

"Doesn't mean it's right either way".

I think you need to think more clearly gerry,

don't let hatred confuse you, chill.

Nothing confusing really. If you don't get the gist of what I'm saying, all you need to do is ask, I won't say you're feebleminded.

Just as well Gerry, keep it up.

[Roadman]

Whats the point?

People supporting Suthep will say "look at these red thugs!!!"

People supporting PTP will say "thats what happens when you block people from exercising their right to vote"

All have their greivance and their arguments. But no one should die because of this. I hope the people who committed this act are caught and prosecuted.

The sad fact is that everyone knew this was coming. Everyone knew this wasnt going to be peacefully resolved as we edged closer to the election. Intransigence and playing political games with peoples lives brought this about. But people keep upping the rhetoric. Now we have the man in charge of the police response threatening extra judicial killings to the man who implicitly threatened the family of the prime minister. Its like a playground, but all the kids have weapons. And of course, now the protestors cant disperse of because they have to show to the world the lengths their opposition will go to stop them from protesting. Whilst their opposition cant leave because they have to show to the world they wont be intimidated by a mob preventing them from exercising their democratic right. The only sane thing left is to hope that as few people die as possible and that the army stays locked up in its barracks while order is returned and the polling stations are opened (and protected). All points from all sides have been made exactly as they wanted. Selective and self serving evidence and photos and incidents will mean the media war can be played out by both sides. And that means only more of the same alas.

I'd like to see the same scenario happening in the United States. Protesters blocking the Capitol, storming the White House, threatening to arrest Obama and his Cabinet, cutting electricity and water to the DC Police and the US Army, preventing people from participating in the election, etc.

How would the US government have dealt with this? I don't think there would be a protester left standing at this point.

I think the current Thai government has been very fair with the protesters.

There would be a huge difference in the US. It would be the government through the police and if need be the Army that would be carrying out the tasks not street rabble who do not have to face a consequence.

[Spalpeen]

Oh yes the protestors are 'bad people'. The 'good people' are the ones that had someone shot dead in cold blood today.

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Looked like an act of self defence to me. Here are some of the weapons found in the truck belonging to the dead terrorist.image.jpg

Live by the sword, die by the sword. Everyone wo lives in Thailand knows that if you go out looking for trouble you can find it.

Cut the crap. Have some decency and acknowledge that the scum killed completely unarmed old fella. Actually he was the one who tried to avoid confrontation. Self-defense my backside. Three shots. Head, heart and abdomen. A murder. Do not even try to justify it.

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Good shooting, if that's true. If he was interested in avoiding confrontation he would have stayed at home and left the Thai people to exercise their democratic rights in peace. This killing will serve as a salutary lesson to anyone considering interfering with the main election day next Sunday. The patience of the Thai people has worn thin.

[Thai at Heart]

No it's not terrorism on a the basis of a single person. Preventing an entire electoral process would be unconstitutional and probably thus treasonous.

What is the standard punishment for that?

Treason is punishable by death. But in the eyes of the protestors, the Shinawatras are the treasonous scum of this country. It's like in a civil war, there are the loyalists and then there are patriots. Both have nice sounding names and both sides are right in their own eyes.

Take that up with the shinawatras, not the voting public. Barring the general public from voting is I think treasonous. By the way, no one votes for the shinawatras, they vote for a party.

If someone tried to bar me from voting, hmmmm. Big problem and a very very very slippery slope.

How do they know which party these people want to vote for?

Well some think it's treasonous and some think it's not. I am for the latter.

Whatever the case, what happened today was cold blooded murder. Even if you think what this fella did was treason, he was still assassinated.

Havent seen any more than that long distance video. At the end of the day, he's challenging people and they responded in an extre manner.

Quite tragic, but not unheard of in thailand..

If I marched through the.protestors with a thaksin rules t shirt on, what would have been the response? The people on both sides are not essentially peaceful, in that they will challenge their right to block roads and take up permenant place on public property.

If you block the road without permission you can be moved on.

[TVGerry]

Oh yes the protestors are 'bad people'. The 'good people' are the ones that had someone shot dead in cold blood today.

.

Looked like an act of self defence to me. Here are some of the weapons found in the truck belonging to the dead terrorist.image.jpg

Live by the sword, die by the sword. Everyone wo lives in Thailand knows that if you go out looking for trouble you can find it.

Cut the crap. Have some decency and acknowledge that the scum killed completely unarmed old fella. Actually he was the one who tried to avoid confrontation. Self-defense my backside. Three shots. Head, heart and abdomen. A murder. Do not even try to justify it.

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Good shooting, if that's true. If he was interested in avoiding confrontation he would have stayed at home and left the Thai people to exercise their democratic rights in peace. This killing will serve as a salutary lesson to anyone considering interfering with the main election day next Sunday. The patience of the Thai people has worn thin.

No child, the shooting will serve a lesson for the protestors to arm up next Sunday. When there's blood on the streets next weekend, remember that it was the murder today that caused it.

[Thai at Heart]

Once again we see the true colours of the reds, they are the violent thugs and will kill anyone who op[poses them, even peacefull protesters. This is directly on yingluck and she is now responsible for this death. Comeon all you red lovers, start bragging how great you are now .

Please let me remind you once again. It was not Yingluck that started this problem, but his excellency the mouth from the south. So this death has to be directly his responsibility. If he had not started this problem, that man would still be alive and waiting for the next election whilst the Elected government would be getting on with running the country as they were popularly elected by a large majority to do.

A disgusting post by oldsailor35 condoning the use of violence, as a means to an end, with total disrespect to the victim and his family. SHAME ON YOU !

Indeed. Distorts the facts and uses a man's death to further his support for a corrupt regime he wrongly claims was elected "by a large majority".

The problem was started by 2.5 years of inept government, caught out telling lies and facing an array of corruption charges, The final insult to the Thai people was the attempt at cheating an amnesty bill through parliament that was aimed at whitewashing the crook that owns and controls them. He really misjudged the reaction of the Thai people and has been desperate to cling on to power since so he can try and push the bill into law when it returns,

Stop press. A politician lied.

My god, if that was grounds to suspend democracy, the USA, the uk and the EU wouldn't have anything approaching a govt.

[englishoak]

The patience of many more than the Thai people is wearing thin both here and abroad, personal and business. I wouldnt recommend anyone to come here at the moment tourist or business, it isnt worth the risk. Plenty of far better options than Thailand at the moment.

You think this is being seen as anything but the result of the protesters obstructing free elections and the message it sends out both as the reaction and the acts of the protesters all over the place locking peoples right away ?? Monday will see almost certainaly the baht slip and markets drop here, there is no question its sliding downhill more every week.

[Cnxforever]

You can argue semantics all day long, it still doesn't make preventing people from voting legal. Which was the point I was trying to make.

It's not semantics. There's illegal and then there's terrorism. And the big T word is usually saved for very bad people. For example, someone burning down Central World is a terrorist. Someone throwing bombs at people is a terrorist. But when someone tries to call a protestor who hasn't actually hurt or killed anyone or blow something up a 'terrorist' then that's usually a deliberate misuse for politics.

You are avoiding the issue. Preventing someone from voting is a clear violation of their democratic right. And such a violation is just as illegal as burning down a shopping mall, which usually isn't referred as terrorism, but arson. You yourself are misusing the term terrorist as you see fit, talk about being consistent !

No it's not arson when you're burning it down to intimidate the people of this city. It's terrorism.

no it's not - if there would have been people in the buildings and you burn them with the people in it then it might be seen as an act of terrorism - but since there was was nobody in these buildings and they where already under army control when the arson happened it can hardly be called terrorism. You can hardly "terrorize" an empty building!

The arson " threats " where made in response to state terrorism - the killing of innocent civilians with war weapons by the Thai armed forces - but we don't need to establish this here - as the Thai armed forces and their corrupt leadership present and past - have a long history of killing their own civilian population either by shooting them suffocating them or hanging or burning them alive - without ever being held responsible - that is intimidation and terrorism against a majority of underprivileged citizens to keep them in their state of "knowing one's place".

[TVGerry]

Oh yes the protestors are 'bad people'. The 'good people' are the ones that had someone shot dead in cold blood today.

.

Looked like an act of self defence to me. Here are some of the weapons found in the truck belonging to the dead terrorist.image.jpg

Live by the sword, die by the sword. Everyone wo lives in Thailand knows that if you go out looking for trouble you can find it.

Cut the crap. Have some decency and acknowledge that the scum killed completely unarmed old fella. Actually he was the one who tried to avoid confrontation. Self-defense my backside. Three shots. Head, heart and abdomen. A murder. Do not even try to justify it.

.

Good shooting, if that's true. If he was interested in avoiding confrontation he would have stayed at home and left the Thai people to exercise their democratic rights in peace. This killing will serve as a salutary lesson to anyone considering interfering with the main election day next Sunday. The patience of the Thai people has worn thin.

No child, the shooting will serve a lesson for the protestors to arm up next Sunday. When there's blood on the streets next weekend, remember that it was the murder today that caused it.

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Let's see.....that would be 40 million voters against how many terrorists?

No child, I've already argued that point but it is your right if you insist on namecalling the protestors 'terrorists'.

[TVGerry]

no it's not - if there would have been people in the buildings and you burn them with the people in it then it might be seen as an act of terrorism - but since there was was nobody in these buildings and they where already under army control when the arson happened it can hardly be called terrorism. You can hardly "terrorize" an empty building!

The arson " threats " where made in response to state terrorism - the killing of innocent civilians with war weapons by the Thai armed forces - but we don't need to establish this here - as the Thai armed forces and their corrupt leadership present and past - have a long history of killing their own civilian population either by shooting them suffocating them or hanging or burning them alive - without ever being held responsible - that is intimidation and terrorism against a majority of underprivileged citizens to keep them in their state of "knowing one's place".

So today's murder can be considered state sponsored terrorism then.

[GazR]

There is a huge difference between 2 men fighting for 2 very different things. In the Ukraine, Klitschko is among the protesters, even at the very front of the fights with police. He is fighting for Democracy, calling for elections. Suthep on the other hand is currently in a safe house according to the latest media reports, hoping his supporters will make a power grab for him and is not afraid of causing a civil war in order to prevent elections. Two men, one a hero, one a coward.

So in the Ukraine it is right to fight an democratic elected government.

In Thailand it is wrong to fight an not so democratic elected government.

In the Ukraine, people are fighting FOR elections. In Thailand, people are fighting AGAINST elections.

Which one seems more democratic to you?

More simplistic rubbish.

[ChoakMyDee]

People here are stupid if they think one side is better than the other.

Bingo!

[Austeyr]

"free elections" is a bit of an oxymoron given the amount of rampant vote buying that occurs in Thailand.

I try and keep an open mind when it comes to politics in any part of the world. What i can say though is, what if you found out the leader of your own country had embezzled millions of dollars through corruption and used his elected position to advance the wealth and assets of his family. That leader was then found guilty in a legitimate court based from factual evidence only then to flee the country to avoid charges. Then blatantly thrust his own sister into power and continue to manipulate the country so openly that he holds video conferences to his supporters and have meetings with elected officials of your own part abroad. If this was my own country i would be out on the streets screaming for change as well.