Thai anti-graft panel says it will charge PM Yingluck

[Luk Mhee]

Party over at my place.

Where is your place? is everybody invited?

[hotrod4098]

why feel sorry for the farmers,,,they could have sold out at the correct price...paid on the day

greed got the better of them...

12 baht on the day 20 from the government pledge,, like playing poker,you should now when to stack....

the government shafted them...now they cry like babies...

at 20thb a kilo is was well above the going rate,,they new that,,,and thought this scheme will make us very rich...

most of the big farms have over 100 rai....the land price is around 12million thb...for that...so not poor at all

FAIL:

Although the mean size

of rice holdings (28,5 rai) is close to the national average, 37% of rice farmers are operating small

holdings of 15 rai or less. Marginal holdings (5 rai or less) considered as "near landless" holdings

represent 9% of total holdings. Region wise, the Northern region has proportionately larger holdings

than the Central Plain and the Northeast. The distribution of land operated is quite unequal: 66% of

farms operate only 36% of the land area.while the top 2,3% of farms operate 13,6%.

SOURCE: http://horizon.documentation.ird.fr/exl-doc/pleins_textes/divers09-03/41564.pdf

And where on earth you get 120,000 baht per rai of rice farming land from I'll never know.

So the majority are poor... Only the bigger land renters are not poor, and they are not the ones complaining.. they don't grow the rice.

[hotrod4098]

in sisaket,,,it is going for 120,000 a rai....one just sold 6 rai..720000

[modafinil]

'Anti-graft agency resolves to charge caretaker PM for neglect of duty in rice pledging scheme case, summons her to hear charges on Feb 27 /MCOT'

hey, is it a corruption charge, or is just 'neglect of duty' ? well, not so familiar with these Thai legal expression . . .

It's neither.

real media who are not supporting and angling for a coup are stating the following.

"She is not charged, the phrase means she is being informed of allegations being made against her"

So, no charges and nothing imminent judicial coup wise.

Pity all you clever people who support suthep have no thai friends and don't know anything about the confilct other than Bluesky and Nation propaganda.

How are you such an expert on Thai politics, bkkdave?

According to your profile, you only joined thaivisa.com 3 days ago.

All of your posts so far have been on political threads. Somebody should have a look at your IP address and see how many different Thaivisa members are posting from the same house ....

If you are genuinely a 3 day old member, then I don't think any of us need to take your lectures about "not having Thai friends" seriously. Have you just arrived on holiday?

[Robby nz]

Posted Today, 17:47

RT @tulsathit: On NACC and Yingluck: 1. NACC "charges" her, not indicts her, meaning she maintains her political status.

RT @tulsathit: 2. If NACC finds ground for impeachment, Yingluck's case will go to Senate and/or Supreme Court's political section.

RT @tulsathit: 3. In case of NACC finding ground for impeachment, YL will lose political status.

RT @tulsathit: 4. If Supreme Court's political section finds YL guilty, she faces imprisonment.

RT @tulsathit: 5. Nobody knows how long it takes before NACC reaches final ruling on YL case, which runs parallel to NACC probe into the rice scheme.

[Fryslan boppe]

Nothing new here.....This was expected and everyone knows this was the plan...The UDD knew this and have talked about it at some length.....Mostly blaming the PTP for sitting idly by, when everyone knew this was the plan of the opposition and their so-called Independent Agencies....The RS's have discussed at length about why the PTP fails to act pro-actively when they have the chance and the electoral mandate......To sit and wait like sacrficial lambs in the face of coup-intentions beyond the street stuff....It was generally known that the coup-mongers on the street had in effect "shot their wad" some time ago, that military intervention was unlikely, leaving initiatives of this nature to the Elitist user-friendly courts.....It was apparent that coup-intentions would ultimately be achieved via the courts...It is more palatable internationally, as they consider this politicized judiciary normal.....To characterize them as normative only plays with the Elitist unelectables, and doesn't for one minute fool the electoral majority as to motives and originators.

Edited February 18, 2014 by Fryslan boppe

[rogerdee123]

Yingluck can go ordain those who graduate from the seminary for the Thaksinists evangelicals.

[modafinil]

Nothing new here.....This was expected and everyone knows this was the plan...The UDD knew this and have talked about it at some length.....Mostly blaming the PTP for sitting idly by, when everyone knew this was the plan of the opposition and their so-called Independent Agencies....The RS's have discussed at length about why the PTP fails to act pro-actively when they have the chance and the electoral mandate......To sit and wait like sacrficial lambs in the face of coup-intentions beyond the street stuff....It was generally known that the coup-mongers on the street had in effect "shot their wad" some time ago, that military intervention was unlikely, leaving initiatives of this nature to the Elitist user-friendly courts.....It was apparent that coup-intentions would ultimately be achieved via the courts...It is more palatable internationally, as they consider this politicized judiciary normal.....To characterize them as normative only plays with the Elitist unelectables, and doesn't for one minute fool the electoral majority as to motives and originators.

Wow, you only joined on 10th of January 2014, and look at how many posts you have already! A quick search reveals that every single one of your contributions have been on political threads only.

Your verbose, meandering mode of speech is amusing - but then, English isn't your first language, is it?

[MunterHunter]

Nothing new here.....This was expected and everyone knows this was the plan...The UDD knew this and have talked about it at some length.....Mostly blaming the PTP for sitting idly by, when everyone knew this was the plan of the opposition and their so-called Independent Agencies....The RS's have discussed at length about why the PTP fails to act pro-actively when they have the chance and the electoral mandate......To sit and wait like sacrficial lambs in the face of coup-intentions beyond the street stuff....It was generally known that the coup-mongers on the street had in effect "shot their wad" some time ago, that military intervention was unlikely, leaving initiatives of this nature to the Elitist user-friendly courts.....It was apparent that coup-intentions would ultimately be achieved via the courts...It is more palatable internationally, as they consider this politicized judiciary normal.....To characterize them as normative only plays with the Elitist unelectables, and doesn't for one minute fool the electoral majority as to motives and originators.

Its not a Judical Coup if Yingluck is guilty...

[MaxLee]

Posted Today, 17:47

RT @tulsathit: On NACC and Yingluck: 1. NACC "charges" her, not indicts her, meaning she maintains her political status.

RT @tulsathit: 2. If NACC finds ground for impeachment, Yingluck's case will go to Senate and/or Supreme Court's political section.

RT @tulsathit: 3. In case of NACC finding ground for impeachment, YL will lose political status.

RT @tulsathit: 4. If Supreme Court's political section finds YL guilty, she faces imprisonment.

RT @tulsathit: 5. Nobody knows how long it takes before NACC reaches final ruling on YL case, which runs parallel to NACC probe into the rice scheme.

They're gonna do it ,... again,... And again and again,... in a couple if months and in another couple of months... in many years...

[Crushdepth]

Will the next Shinawatra please step up to the podium for their turn at running the country...

That might well be Somchai Wongsawat, seen today on TV depositing money in a GSB branch accompanied by the venerable Prompong Nopparit and Charupong Ruangsuwan and other PTP luminaries.

Strange to see them depositing their ill-gottens in a government bank, normally these sort of people are taking money out to store in safes in their own homes.

Thrown out for electoral fraud and recycled as PM? That might be a world first.

[Skywalker69]

why feel sorry for the farmers,,,they could have sold out at the correct price...paid on the day

greed got the better of them...

12 baht on the day 20 from the government pledge,, like playing poker,you should now when to stack....

the government shafted them...now they cry like babies...

at 20thb a kilo is was well above the going rate,,they new that,,,and thought this scheme will make us very rich...

most of the big farms have over 100 rai....the land price is around 12million thb...for that...so not poor at all

most of the big farms have over 100 rai....the land price is around 12million thb...for that...so not poor at all

Shows whom Yingluck and her government care for, dosn´t it?

[edwardandtubs]

It's a shame this biased "anti-corruption" body will never investigate Suthep for his palm oil dealings.

[AleG]

Nothing new here.....This was expected and everyone knows this was the plan...The UDD knew this and have talked about it at some length.....Mostly blaming the PTP for sitting idly by, when everyone knew this was the plan of the opposition and their so-called Independent Agencies....The RS's have discussed at length about why the PTP fails to act pro-actively when they have the chance and the electoral mandate......To sit and wait like sacrficial lambs in the face of coup-intentions beyond the street stuff....It was generally known that the coup-mongers on the street had in effect "shot their wad" some time ago, that military intervention was unlikely, leaving initiatives of this nature to the Elitist user-friendly courts.....It was apparent that coup-intentions would ultimately be achieved via the courts...It is more palatable internationally, as they consider this politicized judiciary normal.....To characterize them as normative only plays with the Elitist unelectables, and doesn't for one minute fool the electoral majority as to motives and originators.

Wow, you only joined on 10th of January 2014, and look at how many posts you have already! A quick search reveals that every single one of your contributions have been on political threads only.

Your verbose, meandering mode of speech is amusing - but then, English isn't your first language, is it?

He is the user previously known as Calgaryl, same diatribes over and over and over.... coup coup coup elites coup coup judicial coup demonizing coup coup coup electoral majority coup coup and coup on the side with an extra order of coup in coup sauce.

He is basically a propaganda machine, appartently, from what I gathered in his previous incarnation, it gains him cookie points in his Red Village.

If I were him and seen the reaction of the farmers towards Kittirat I'd be very carefully about BSing the people around him, they may wise up and show some antipathy towards those that have been lying and trying to manipulate them.

[LeamchabangLarry]

It's a shame this biased "anti-corruption" body will never investigate Suthep for his palm oil dealings.

did his palm oil dealings cost Thai taxpayers 500-700 BILLION baht?

regardless, it's yet but another non-sequitur. Let's address the problem at hand, please.

[rogerdee123]

Nothing new here.....This was expected and everyone knows this was the plan...The UDD knew this and have talked about it at some length.....Mostly blaming the PTP for sitting idly by, when everyone knew this was the plan of the opposition and their so-called Independent Agencies....The RS's have discussed at length about why the PTP fails to act pro-actively when they have the chance and the electoral mandate......To sit and wait like sacrficial lambs in the face of coup-intentions beyond the street stuff....It was generally known that the coup-mongers on the street had in effect "shot their wad" some time ago, that military intervention was unlikely, leaving initiatives of this nature to the Elitist user-friendly courts.....It was apparent that coup-intentions would ultimately be achieved via the courts...It is more palatable internationally, as they consider this politicized judiciary normal.....To characterize them as normative only plays with the Elitist unelectables, and doesn't for one minute fool the electoral majority as to motives and originators.

Wow, you only joined on 10th of January 2014, and look at how many posts you have already! A quick search reveals that every single one of your contributions have been on political threads only.

Your verbose, meandering mode of speech is amusing - but then, English isn't your first language, is it?

He is the user previously known as Calgaryl, same diatribes over and over and over.... coup coup coup elites coup coup judicial coup demonizing coup coup coup electoral majority coup coup and coup on the side with an extra order of coup in coup sauce.

He is basically a propaganda machine, appartently, from what I gathered in his previous incarnation, it gains him cookie points in his Red Village.

If I were him and seen the reaction of the farmers towards Kittirat I'd be very carefully about BSing the people around him, they may wise up and show some antipathy towards those that have been lying and trying to manipulate them.

Yes .... another Thakinist Evangelical ... must have baptists training them

[scorecard]

Posted Today, 17:47

RT @tulsathit: On NACC and Yingluck: 1. NACC "charges" her, not indicts her, meaning she maintains her political status.

RT @tulsathit: 2. If NACC finds ground for impeachment, Yingluck's case will go to Senate and/or Supreme Court's political section.

RT @tulsathit: 3. In case of NACC finding ground for impeachment, YL will lose political status.

RT @tulsathit: 4. If Supreme Court's political section finds YL guilty, she faces imprisonment.

RT @tulsathit: 5. Nobody knows how long it takes before NACC reaches final ruling on YL case, which runs parallel to NACC probe into the rice scheme.

Wonder who is the next cab off the NACC rank? Kittirat?

[edwardandtubs]

It's a shame this biased "anti-corruption" body will never investigate Suthep for his palm oil dealings.

did his palm oil dealings cost Thai taxpayers 500-700 BILLION baht?

regardless, it's yet but another non-sequitur. Let's address the problem at hand, please.

You're right in saying the issue is how much the scheme will cost taxpayers. The whole corruption issue is a red herring. Agricultural subsidies are a normal way of redistributing wealth but the wealthy in Thailand want to keep it all to themselves.

[Artisi]

But.....but.....but.....it was the protesters fault!.......I guess,if found guilty,she'll be sent to an inactive post.

Her post is already inactive - always has been.

[WitawatWatawit]

And in a quiet corner of the White House, Michelle is grinning like a cheshire cat.

[Artisi]

Nothing new here.....This was expected and everyone knows this was the plan...The UDD knew this and have talked about it at some length.....Mostly blaming the PTP for sitting idly by, when everyone knew this was the plan of the opposition and their so-called Independent Agencies....The RS's have discussed at length about why the PTP fails to act pro-actively when they have the chance and the electoral mandate......To sit and wait like sacrficial lambs in the face of coup-intentions beyond the street stuff....It was generally known that the coup-mongers on the street had in effect "shot their wad" some time ago, that military intervention was unlikely, leaving initiatives of this nature to the Elitist user-friendly courts.....It was apparent that coup-intentions would ultimately be achieved via the courts...It is more palatable internationally, as they consider this politicized judiciary normal.....To characterize them as normative only plays with the Elitist unelectables, and doesn't for one minute fool the electoral majority as to motives and originators.

Wow, you only joined on 10th of January 2014, and look at how many posts you have already! A quick search reveals that every single one of your contributions have been on political threads only.

Your verbose, meandering mode of speech is amusing - but then, English isn't your first language, is it?

No it's not, it would be a fair bet he is a Frisian.

[zydeco]

'Anti-graft agency resolves to charge caretaker PM for neglect of duty in rice pledging scheme case, summons her to hear charges on Feb 27 /MCOT'

hey, is it a corruption charge, or is just 'neglect of duty' ? well, not so familiar with these Thai legal expression . . .

It's neither.

real media who are not supporting and angling for a coup are stating the following.

"She is not charged, the phrase means she is being informed of allegations being made against her"

So, no charges and nothing imminent judicial coup wise.

Pity all you clever people who support suthep have no thai friends and don't know anything about the confilct other than Bluesky and Nation propaganda.

On the third day he was resurrected and Pipkins became Dave.

I just looked around where I am sat, and most of my Thai friends feel that Poo is off to jail. However, if you're a hanging around drinking Lao Khao in deepest darkest Nakhon Nowhere your view may well be clouded.

Welcome back Pipkins.

Didn't realize Pipkins was banned. BTW, haven't seen anymore JackRich posts either. Is he banned, too? A lot of the December newbies seem to have left us. Did they get bored? Banned? Or just realize that the jig is up for YL and PTP?

[MunterHunter]

You're right in saying the issue is how much the scheme will cost taxpayers. The whole corruption issue is a red herring. Agricultural subsidies are a normal way of redistributing wealth but the wealthy in Thailand want to keep it all to themselves.

I dont think anyone has a problem with the Rice Pledging Scheme (Agricultural subsidies) par se, the real problem here is only a small percentage of the money actually gets to the Farmers and there is no transparency in the slightest when it comes to the scheme.

If the scheme were transparent, with minimal/no corruption, the money was actually getting to the farmers, instead of going in corrupt politicians and greedy fat cats, then the rice scheme would be acceptable... perhaps they need to tweak numbers a little so that would work properly... but as it stands right now its just a big sinkhole that the current administration is just throwing buckets of cash into and thats the last anyone sees of it.. when the farmers come to collect their pay... theres none to be had. When the rice comes to be inspected it spontaniously combusts or is already rotten and no good for animal feed...

[bigbamboo]

Shes only being charged for negligence? That seems like a awfully minor charge.

Knowing what Thai penalties are like.... that will probably carry a maximum three year jail sentence or a two hundred baht fine.

[edwardandtubs]

You're right in saying the issue is how much the scheme will cost taxpayers. The whole corruption issue is a red herring. Agricultural subsidies are a normal way of redistributing wealth but the wealthy in Thailand want to keep it all to themselves.

I dont think anyone has a problem with the Rice Pledging Scheme (Agricultural subsidies) par se, the real problem here is only a small percentage of the money actually gets to the Farmers and there is no transparency in the slightest when it comes to the scheme.

If the scheme were transparent, with minimal/no corruption, the money was actually getting to the farmers, instead of going in corrupt politicians and greedy fat cats, then the rice scheme would be acceptable... perhaps they need to tweak numbers a little so that would work properly... but as it stands right now its just a big sinkhole that the current administration is just throwing buckets of cash into and thats the last anyone sees of it.. when the farmers come to collect their pay... theres none to be had. When the rice comes to be inspected it spontaniously combusts or is already rotten and no good for animal feed...

What evidence supports those claims? The reasons farmers are not getting paid is because Suthep's antics have made it impossible to borrow money to pay them.

[gamini]

'Anti-graft agency resolves to charge caretaker PM for neglect of duty in rice pledging scheme case, summons her to hear charges on Feb 27 /MCOT'

hey, is it a corruption charge, or is just 'neglect of duty' ? well, not so familiar with these Thai legal expression . . .

It's neither.

real media who are not supporting and angling for a coup are stating the following.

"She is not charged, the phrase means she is being informed of allegations being made against her"

So, no charges and nothing imminent judicial coup wise.

Pity all you clever people who support suthep have no thai friends and don't know anything about the confilct other than Bluesky and Nation propaganda.

Those who make silly remarks like "judicial coups" should face contempt of court charges. I guess they are same ignorant TV red shirt supporters who say all charges against Taksin are politically motivated

[TallGuyJohninBKK]

if shes forced out of office it will kick off big time ,they wont stand for another PM forced out of office ,BKK will be like a war zone

Well, whatever the charges are called, it does indeed sound like the NACC is planning to bring a legal action specifically aimed at removing YL from office, apart from any other potential penalties.

BANGKOK: -- The National Anti-Corruption Commission on Tuesday found grounds to press charges and initiate impeachment proceedings against caretaker Prime Minister Yingluck Shinawatra

RT @tulsathit: 3. In case of NACC finding ground for impeachment, YL will lose political status.

Edited February 18, 2014 by TallGuyJohninBKK

[gamini]

You're right in saying the issue is how much the scheme will cost taxpayers. The whole corruption issue is a red herring. Agricultural subsidies are a normal way of redistributing wealth but the wealthy in Thailand want to keep it all to themselves.

I dont think anyone has a problem with the Rice Pledging Scheme (Agricultural subsidies) par se, the real problem here is only a small percentage of the money actually gets to the Farmers and there is no transparency in the slightest when it comes to the scheme.

If the scheme were transparent, with minimal/no corruption, the money was actually getting to the farmers, instead of going in corrupt politicians and greedy fat cats, then the rice scheme would be acceptable... perhaps they need to tweak numbers a little so that would work properly... but as it stands right now its just a big sinkhole that the current administration is just throwing buckets of cash into and thats the last anyone sees of it.. when the farmers come to collect their pay... theres none to be had. When the rice comes to be inspected it spontaniously combusts or is already rotten and no good for animal feed...

What evidence supports those claims? The reasons farmers are not getting paid is because Suthep's antics have made it impossible to borrow money to pay them.

They had no money before the protests. So the failure of the rice scheme they are trying to blame on Suthep. Thanks to him a lot of corruption is being revealed. Good for him. We need more people like him

[rickirs]

So here is the "evidence" of Yingluck's "negligence":

1) she had been warned by many organisations of POSSIBLE massive damage and corruption in the scheme.

2) the scheme COULD cause massive corruption in every stage of the process.

3) she was asked to review and halt the programme had many irregularities and corruption.

4) rice farmers who entered the program have not yet received payment and are now in serious financial difficulty.

5) she was negligent to duty by continuing with the program which resulted in severe damage to the country.

This is simply without any apparent concrete evidence and looks more like a political assination attempt. Even some of the anti-graft panel members appear to have a conflict of interest (aka corruption) as being financial supporters of Suthep's anti-government protesters. The major "witnesses" are current or former Democrat party supporters with no supporting accounts from anyone in the current administration or unrelated third parties. There is mention of "documents" but no details have been disclosed. From a 3rd party perspective there may be enough to question Yingluck about alleged corruption, maybe even enough to charge her, but until there is more hard, unbiased evidence to collaborate her "negligence" (which would not be criminal in any event), I don't see how she could be held guilty. But even if she was found to be negligent, does that just mean she just promises not to be negligent in the future and continues on as PM?

[scorecard]

It's a shame this biased "anti-corruption" body will never investigate Suthep for his palm oil dealings.

did his palm oil dealings cost Thai taxpayers 500-700 BILLION baht?

regardless, it's yet but another non-sequitur. Let's address the problem at hand, please.

You're right in saying the issue is how much the scheme will cost taxpayers. The whole corruption issue is a red herring. Agricultural subsidies are a normal way of redistributing wealth but the wealthy in Thailand want to keep it all to themselves.

What rubbish. Have you been asleep for the last 10 years?