Marry an Indonesian girl and get a 25 year visa.

[Halion]

Wym

My apologies.

Your comments on my other thread were lucid and well informed. You are obviously a wise bloke.

As an expat I view all potential places to live as products.

There products include various facets and attributes such as pricing, visa availability and ease of use, ammenities, dating opportunities....etc...etc...

The overwhelmingly negative facet of product Thailand for me is their visas.

I find their policies disgustingly anti family. Forced visa runs for O visas are a relevant example. Absence of a long term spouse visa is another.

Another salient point is the disparity of how the Thai Immigration operates oposite the fundementals of how Thai visitors are treated in western countries. Again the arrogance and hypocrisy shine through.

[fatdrunkandstupid]

Even if you have a five year visa with a spouse in Indonesia - you are not permitted to work

You provided a lot of information in your posts.

Much of it was wrong.

Someone married to an Indonesian is allowed to work to support their family.

A little bit of (light as you put it) consultancy work in Thailand without a work permit is not ok...it is illegal.

The only thing you got right was your comment about the Sundanese.

They are lovely and the women are stunning.

In fact most of the female celebs and TV presenters in Indonesia come from this ethnic group.

[rhinoboy]

Yah I stay in Indo and work there for 5 years and love the women, never any better than the Malay Spirit for any man.

[peterb17]

No alcohol and loosing a bit of skin off the little fella to marry eeekkk

Don't worry- you can try foreskin restoration- takes time, looks a bit weird and does not feel the same! Plenty of websites to give you instructions.

[fxe1200]

Those of you, who like to ride a motorcycle. Indonesia has tough restrictions: 250cc and not more!

[ronrat]

They won't bar alcohol. The expat mining industry will grind to a halt. And the Bintang brewery probably has enough members of the ruling families on the board of directors to see they won't. The bars in Blok M jakarta are referred to as the Generals Pension plans.

[Runamile]

Bit contrary to the run of this thread, but I have to say that I've stayed in Muslim parts of Indonesia, particularly Java, and loved that I could have wonderful, open friendship relationships with women, without - for obvious reasons - any concern that they were eyeing me as a marital prospect. Sorry that doesn't help with the visas, but Indonesia is a good place to meet agenda-free people. And if it's only about friendship, you don't have to worry about returning to Bangkok sometime to have your chest grafted onto you d**k!

[mrfaroukh]

if you are desperate for the visa then go to Malaysia, if you can show that you are over 50 and have an income of around 3000 dollar (pension, interest, etc) you get a 15 years (Malaysia My Second Home plan). If you are below the age of 50 you must have some extra money in the beginning. But the beauty is that you buy all kind of property, car at discounted price. etc.

[mercman24]

dont know much about "thai buddism" but i think you will find it is against the religion to practice "prostitution" is that why the "holy men" bless the brothels (sorry read bars) i was in Hilary 1 recently, they had a "blessing" never seen so much grub in all my life and monks scoffing it as though it was going out of fashion. YEP certainly anything goes when it suits this religion me-thinks

[thailiketoo]

dont know much about "thai buddism" but i think you will find it is against the religion to practice "prostitution" is that why the "holy men" bless the brothels (sorry read bars) i was in Hilary 1 recently, they had a "blessing" never seen so much grub in all my life and monks scoffing it as though it was going out of fashion. YEP certainly anything goes when it suits this religion me-thinks

Prostitution is not against Thai Buddhism. Monks eat, yes. Eating is not against Thai Buddhism.

What you probably understand as a religion is not what Buddhists understand as a religion.

There are many different types of Buddhists in Thailand my favorite is the forest monks, They can't touch money among other things. But they speak only Thai. Which really doesn't make that much difference as most of the monks don't talk much. They walk in the forest and practice walking meditation.

If you want to find out more about them they will let you clean their toilets for three days if you are very quiet most of the time. They have a lot of other rules too.

[louse1953]

Thanks for the kind words, but IMO marrying someone specifically to get a visa isn't really "family friendly" either.

I'm not an expert, but once you have an "O" and are getting annual extensions to stay, are further visa runs really required?

Marrying an Indo could mean marrying into a Muslim family.You have to convert,learn the Koran and they will check the ol' fella.If intact,you must have a cut,happened to a mate at 54!She got to Oz and became a beer drinking,pokey addict.She adapted well to Aust life,a bit to much,maxed out mates cards.

I'll stick with the Buddists.

[louse1953]

Thought this was a Thailand forum.....NOT an Indonesian one.

AND maybe this topic would be better in the Visa section

Be that as it may......Marry an American women and you can permanent residency, work, and own property! and after an certain time can even get citizenship!

Have great weather in Florida, New Mexico, Arizona etc.....with CHEAP places to live TOO!

All very good i'm sure,then get divorced and loss the lot!

[sirineou]

Thought this was a Thailand forum.....NOT an Indonesian one.

AND maybe this topic would be better in the Visa section

Be that as it may......Marry an American women and you can permanent residency, work, and own property! and after an certain time can even get citizenship!

Have great weather in Florida, New Mexico, Arizona etc.....with CHEAP places to live TOO!

^^^^I have to agree

The plan was , when retiring from work, in about 7 years, to sell our property in the US, and between the proceeds from the sales,pension, social security, and 401K live comfortable there. The more I read about it, the more convinced I am, that unless things in Thailand change by the time I retire, this will not be a option for me. We will just simply come to Thailand, stay there for a few months, and return to the good old US.

My Thai wife did not have to jump through all this visa hoops when she came to the US. When she got here, she got her green card,and social security card, two years later she got her permanent Green card, and that was the end of it, no reporting, no stamps every 90 days, no work permits. Three years later she is an American citizen , with all the rights (except she cant run for president) of a born American citizen,. Can you imagine I my wife had to go to the immigration office every three months? ridiculous.

Why cant Thailand be the same? why cant I apply for a Thai Green card at a reasonable cost?. I would not mind reporting once a year so they can keep track of me, But every 90 days? what a hustle. what about when I am 90 (if I am so lucky)?and maybe I don't have all my faculties about me, do I need to depend on others to maintain my visa status, or I am shipped out?

I love Thailand and wish things were different, and maybe by the time I retire they will be

But the way thins are now, I don't think that's a chance I want to take with my old age.

[thailiketoo]

Thought this was a Thailand forum.....NOT an Indonesian one.

AND maybe this topic would be better in the Visa section

Be that as it may......Marry an American women and you can permanent residency, work, and own property! and after an certain time can even get citizenship!

Have great weather in Florida, New Mexico, Arizona etc.....with CHEAP places to live TOO!

^^^^I have to agree

The plan was , when retiring from work, in about 7 years, to sell our property in the US, and between the proceeds from the sales,pension, social security, and 401K live comfortable there. The more I read about it, the more convinced I am, that unless things in Thailand change by the time I retire, this will not be a option for me. We will just simply come to Thailand, stay there for a few months, and return to the good old US.

My Thai wife did not have to jump through all this visa hoops when she came to the US. When she got here, she got her green card,and social security card, two years later she got her permanent Green card, and that was the end of it, no reporting, no stamps every 90 days, no work permits. Three years later she is an American citizen , with all the rights (except she cant run for president) of a born American citizen,. Can you imagine I my wife had to go to the immigration office every three months? ridiculous.

Why cant Thailand be the same? why cant I apply for a Thai Green card at a reasonable cost?. I would not mind reporting once a year so they can keep track of me, But every 90 days? what a hustle. what about when I am 90 (if I am so lucky)?and maybe I don't have all my faculties about me, do I need to depend on others to maintain my visa status, or I am shipped out?

I love Thailand and wish things were different, and maybe by the time I retire they will be

But the way thins are now, I don't think that's a chance I want to take with my old age.

I spend 40 minutes a year at immigration. I have not left Thailand in over a decade and my visa costs about 5 baht per day. Now what were you saying?

[louse1953]

Personally, I wouldn't feel comfortable holding a woman's hand in public, let alone living with an Indonesian woman, in a 90% Muslim dominated country.

Ridiculous statement.

If your Thai lady is a good girl she wouldn't be seen holding your hand in public either.

Yeah,but it's not a "hanging"offence in Th.

[dunque]

Wym

My apologies.

Your comments on my other thread were lucid and well informed. You are obviously a wise bloke.

As an expat I view all potential places to live as products.

There products include various facets and attributes such as pricing, visa availability and ease of use, ammenities, dating opportunities....etc...etc...

The overwhelmingly negative facet of product Thailand for me is their visas.

I find their policies disgustingly anti family. Forced visa runs for O visas are a relevant example. Absence of a long term spouse visa is another.

How about Thais wanting to live in your country?. They face far more hurdles. So if you think Thailand visa regulations are disgusting, then in comparison visa regulations in your country must be positively revolting

Piffle.

Thais who marry a westerner and live in his or her country get access to permanent residency, welfare and enjoy the same legal rights and status as the general population.

What rights do I get if I marry a Thai and stay in Thailand?

Well <deleted> go to Indonesia already rather than this continuing trolling about how much better it is than Thailand. Stop wasting time and go and buy the product.

[peterb17]

Thought this was a Thailand forum.....NOT an Indonesian one.

AND maybe this topic would be better in the Visa section

Be that as it may......Marry an American women and you can permanent residency, work, and own property! and after an certain time can even get citizenship!

Have great weather in Florida, New Mexico, Arizona etc.....with CHEAP places to live TOO!

^^^^I have to agree

The plan was , when retiring from work, in about 7 years, to sell our property in the US, and between the proceeds from the sales,pension, social security, and 401K live comfortable there. The more I read about it, the more convinced I am, that unless things in Thailand change by the time I retire, this will not be a option for me. We will just simply come to Thailand, stay there for a few months, and return to the good old US.

My Thai wife did not have to jump through all this visa hoops when she came to the US. When she got here, she got her green card,and social security card, two years later she got her permanent Green card, and that was the end of it, no reporting, no stamps every 90 days, no work permits. Three years later she is an American citizen , with all the rights (except she cant run for president) of a born American citizen,. Can you imagine I my wife had to go to the immigration office every three months? ridiculous.

Why cant Thailand be the same? why cant I apply for a Thai Green card at a reasonable cost?. I would not mind reporting once a year so they can keep track of me, But every 90 days? what a hustle. what about when I am 90 (if I am so lucky)?and maybe I don't have all my faculties about me, do I need to depend on others to maintain my visa status, or I am shipped out?

I love Thailand and wish things were different, and maybe by the time I retire they will be

But the way thins are now, I don't think that's a chance I want to take with my old age.

Unfortunately you are an alien or guest in this country, you are only thinking of yourself. It's really not too onerous to retire here.

My home country the UK is totally unrecognisable these days.

The wonderful thing about this country is its Thainess. Would you really want it to be to turn into the horrendous multicultural nightmare that blights Europe?

The Thai people are fiercely patriotic- and I hope that continues.

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Even if you have a five year visa with a spouse in Indonesia - you are not permitted to work

You provided a lot of information in your posts.

Much of it was wrong.

Someone married to an Indonesian is allowed to work to support their family.

A little bit of (light as you put it) consultancy work in Thailand without a work permit is not ok...it is illegal.

The only thing you got right was your comment about the Sundanese.

They are lovely and the women are stunning.

In fact most of the female celebs and TV presenters in Indonesia come from this ethnic group.

Please provide the link that a foreigner is allowed under a Spouse visa to work in Indonesia and also please provide the fees.

I am a None Immigrant B visa holder and I am permitted to have business meetings in Thailand with potential clients to advise them on their IT strategy in Thailand? Hello - with a PR in Singapore why should I have a work permit in Thailand if I am only 3-7 days per month in Thailand on doing an advisory job with 3-5 companies in Thailand. I think it all comes to the point of who issuing the and request the visa, don't you think? If a company has between 2-10 billion Baht revenues a year and they pay on that 100-150 million Baht in taxes, your None Immigrant B visa will never be rejected and I have never ever had an immigration problem in Thailand.

I am getting paid to Singapore on a monthly basis and I have 5 more consultancy jobs in Malaysia, Hong Kong, Indonesia, Philippines and Dubai. Do I need 5 work permits? The Thai Embassy knows exactly what I am doing and this for the past 15 years.

Never mind about the withholding taxes annually of 700,000 Baht but I never had a problem in the past but of course I am not allowed to collect money within Thailand.

Looking forward to your response of Indonesia.

[laobali]

It's not the same a Buddhist country where it is safe, Muslim majority in Indonesia for population 200 Miilions people and some church are been burn down and 1997 Indonesia Chinese have been killed and rape during Asia economy crisis, even it offer free for 100 years visa I don't even bother it.

What percentage of Thais do you think are actually practising Buddhists? Thailand has a poor record for violence due to personal/business disputes, robbery, jealousy etc. Agree Thailand is generally safe for foreigners but you do have to have your wits about you, can't wander around with your 'eyes closed'. 24 UK female nationals alone required Embassy support due to reported sexual assaults in 2012.

Indo government has one of the best records of any country in the world for countering and supressing Islamic extremism. Remember the massacre of the PKI Communists in the mid 1960s? One of the worst areas for the killings was in Hindu, Bali. Time Magazine hailed the suppression of the PKI as 'the Wests best news for years in Asia".

What is a practicing Buddhist?

One who hasn't mastered it yet!

[simple1]

Thanks for the kind words, but IMO marrying someone specifically to get a visa isn't really "family friendly" either.

I'm not an expert, but once you have an "O" and are getting annual extensions to stay, are further visa runs really required?

Marrying an Indo could mean marrying into a Muslim family.You have to convert,learn the Koran and they will check the ol' fella.If intact,you must have a cut,happened to a mate at 54!She got to Oz and became a beer drinking,pokey addict.She adapted well to Aust life,a bit to much,maxed out mates cards. I'll stick with the Buddists.

Sounds like the same lifestyle as quite a few of the Thai Buddhist women living in Oz.

OP: You should have known that any posts that reference Muslims will attract the bigots like bees to a honey pot as with the multiple posts by louse1953 and others.

[kennypowers]

The 25-year visa is certainly lengthy, but will she love me long time? That is the question...

[peterb17]

The 25-year visa is certainly lengthy, but will she love me long time? That is the question...

Well I suppose someone had to say it- depends how lengthy you are?

[kennypowers]

The 25-year visa is certainly lengthy, but will she love me long time? That is the question...

Well I suppose someone had to say it- depends how lengthy you are?

Sorry. I don't normally do negatively stereotypical Thai-centric jokes.

[oldsailor35]

Surely people choose who to marry and where to live on more important criteria than just the visa issues.

And what happens at the end of 25 years?

You might have to do a little paperwork once a year in Thailand, but barring unforeseen changes, you're free to stay here for life.

The whole WP/visa thing really isn't that big a deal IMO, minor inconvenience at most.

"What happens after 25 yrs".............marry another, it is a muslim country you know !

[sirineou]

Thought this was a Thailand forum.....NOT an Indonesian one.

AND maybe this topic would be better in the Visa section

Be that as it may......Marry an American women and you can permanent residency, work, and own property! and after an certain time can even get citizenship!

Have great weather in Florida, New Mexico, Arizona etc.....with CHEAP places to live TOO!

^^^^I have to agree

The plan was , when retiring from work, in about 7 years, to sell our property in the US, and between the proceeds from the sales,pension, social security, and 401K live comfortable there. The more I read about it, the more convinced I am, that unless things in Thailand change by the time I retire, this will not be a option for me. We will just simply come to Thailand, stay there for a few months, and return to the good old US.

My Thai wife did not have to jump through all this visa hoops when she came to the US. When she got here, she got her green card,and social security card, two years later she got her permanent Green card, and that was the end of it, no reporting, no stamps every 90 days, no work permits. Three years later she is an American citizen , with all the rights (except she cant run for president) of a born American citizen,. Can you imagine I my wife had to go to the immigration office every three months? ridiculous.

Why cant Thailand be the same? why cant I apply for a Thai Green card at a reasonable cost?. I would not mind reporting once a year so they can keep track of me, But every 90 days? what a hustle. what about when I am 90 (if I am so lucky)?and maybe I don't have all my faculties about me, do I need to depend on others to maintain my visa status, or I am shipped out?

I love Thailand and wish things were different, and maybe by the time I retire they will be

But the way thins are now, I don't think that's a chance I want to take with my old age.

I spend 40 minutes a year at immigration. I have not left Thailand in over a decade and my visa costs about 5 baht per day. Now what were you saying?

I am not there (retirement) yet so I don't really know, The way I read things, it seems to me that you need to get an extension every 90 days, Am I wrong?

As I said I would not mind reporting once a year, If it only need to be done once a year then it should be no problem,

[Joe Mamma]

With ASEAN and 10 neighboring countries to stay free, it sounds good.

[jacko45k]

Since 87% or Indonesians are Muslim, I believe you would also be required to convert if your future wife is, and you are not..

But 25 years is a good deal..... if I had 4 wives would I get 100 years visa?

[larsjohnsson]

Wym

My apologies.

Your comments on my other thread were lucid and well informed. You are obviously a wise bloke.

As an expat I view all potential places to live as products.

There products include various facets and attributes such as pricing, visa availability and ease of use, ammenities, dating opportunities....etc...etc...

The overwhelmingly negative facet of product Thailand for me is their visas.

I find their policies disgustingly anti family. Forced visa runs for O visas are a relevant example. Absence of a long term spouse visa is another.

How about Thais wanting to live in your country?. They face far more hurdles. So if you think Thailand visa regulations are disgusting, then in comparison visa regulations in your country must be positively revolting

Most of the Thais staying in my country (Sweden) are married with a Swedish person. They don't go or contact the immigration every third month. They never have to go out of the country. It's easy to get a Swedish citicenship after a few year in the country. They get nearly free healthcare. They get work permit, social security, pension whitout working and so on. They can buy land and house........they get everything a person born in Sweden get

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[thailiketoo]

^^^^I have to agree

The plan was , when retiring from work, in about 7 years, to sell our property in the US, and between the proceeds from the sales,pension, social security, and 401K live comfortable there. The more I read about it,

I spend 40 minutes a year at immigration. I have not left Thailand in over a decade and my visa costs about 5 baht per day. Now what were you saying?

I am not there (retirement) yet so I don't really know, The way I read things, it seems to me that you need to get an extension every 90 days, Am I wrong?

As I said I would not mind reporting once a year, If it only need to be done once a year then it should be no problem,

If you retire you only need to report your address every 90 days which takes 5 minutes at immigration or you can do it by mail. So with a retirement extension you only need to go to immigration once a year and give them 1900 baht. Keep $25,000 in a Thai bank or show pension for that amount and you will only spend 20 minutes a year at immigration (depending on wait).

[larsjohnsson]

Thought this was a Thailand forum.....NOT an Indonesian one.

AND maybe this topic would be better in the Visa section

Be that as it may......Marry an American women and you can permanent residency, work, and own property! and after an certain time can even get citizenship!

Have great weather in Florida, New Mexico, Arizona etc.....with CHEAP places to live TOO!

^^^^I have to agree

The plan was , when retiring from work, in about 7 years, to sell our property in the US, and between the proceeds from the sales,pension, social security, and 401K live comfortable there. The more I read about it, the more convinced I am, that unless things in Thailand change by the time I retire, this will not be a option for me. We will just simply come to Thailand, stay there for a few months, and return to the good old US.

My Thai wife did not have to jump through all this visa hoops when she came to the US. When she got here, she got her green card,and social security card, two years later she got her permanent Green card, and that was the end of it, no reporting, no stamps every 90 days, no work permits. Three years later she is an American citizen , with all the rights (except she cant run for president) of a born American citizen,. Can you imagine I my wife had to go to the immigration office every three months? ridiculous.

Why cant Thailand be the same? why cant I apply for a Thai Green card at a reasonable cost?. I would not mind reporting once a year so they can keep track of me, But every 90 days? what a hustle. what about when I am 90 (if I am so lucky)?and maybe I don't have all my faculties about me, do I need to depend on others to maintain my visa status, or I am shipped out?

I love Thailand and wish things were different, and maybe by the time I retire they will be

But the way thins are now, I don't think that's a chance I want to take with my old age.

I spend 40 minutes a year at immigration. I have not left Thailand in over a decade and my visa costs about 5 baht per day. Now what were you saying?

The Thai people in my country (sweden) spend 0 minutes at immigration and have not left the country in a decade. They have 0 baht per day in visa cost. Most have citicenship also. Everyone have workpermit and can buy land. Nearly free healthcare and medicin. Social security and pension.....

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