EXCLUSIVE INTERVIEW
Slain general's widow vows to continue fight for justice
PIMNARA PRADUBWIT
THE NATION

BANGKOK: -- WHILE commemorating the death of her husband on April 10 four years ago, Nicha Hiranburana Thuvatham told The Nation it was time for Thai society to join hands and set good moral standards in order to block bad people from continuing to violate laws.

The people between the two sides [of the political conflict] should focus on justice, rather than just being neutral.

"We need brave people to say what is right and what is wrong. We need a society that accepts rules and regulations. Wrongdoing is not negotiable, and once wrongdoers concede their mistakes, then we can discuss how to punish or forgive them. That's the only way society can find a solution together," she said, adding that all parts of society must share the responsibility of setting good moral standards.

Nicha's husband General Romklao Thuvatham was killed in a clash with red-shirt protesters at Khok Wua intersection in 2010. The red shirts were at the time protesting against the Abhisit Vejjajiva government.

"Over the past four years, I have fought to prevent wrongdoers from getting the chance to do this again. Yet, what I feared is happening once again.

"Those who were responsible for the wrongdoings in 2010 are once again threatening the lives of innocent people in 2013-2014. Although we can't find them and bring them to justice, we all know who is behind all the violence. They are cruel," she pointed out.

In terms of possible solutions, Nicha said that though some people believe the conflict would come to an end if both sides agreed on a compromise and conceded their mistakes, she said she disagreed because what's wrong is wrong.

Wasted effort

"I used to call on Thai society to learn from losses, but when I met bad people in power, who are ready to do anything for the sake of power, I realised that my efforts were a waste. Society can only learn if every member of society has the same goal - living peacefully together. Yet we continue fighting with those who only care for their personal benefits," she said.

"The problem is that Thais, despite speaking the same language, just don't understand each other because their morals are different and their viewpoints toward society don't match.

"Yet, I will never give up. I insist on fighting for as long as the wrongdoers do not admit their guilt. Doesn't matter how long that takes. I can wait for justice.

"The day that PM Yingluck [shinawatra] said she wasn't being treated fairly by the National Anti-Corruption Commission with regards to the rice-pledging scheme, I chuckled inside because when other people called on her for justice, she did not care.

"I personally asked her - as chief of the government - to give me justice, but she did nothing.

"There has been no progress in the investigation into the death of soldiers. The relatives of those who were killed in 2010 asked Yingluck to change the investigation team's leader from [Department of Special Investigation director general] Tarit Pengdith [but he has never been replaced].

"How many innocent people have lost their lives and not been given justice yet?" Nicha asked.


-- The Nation 2014-04-11

What was her husband doing in the conflict zone? Protecting the protesters (like the popcorn man); or for firing at the? Maybe France24 have the clip with answers.

Yes she is right.

Same thing happened 4 years is happening again now and the crims still haven't faced court.

This is what happens when you deny people the right to vote and chose to turn your back on democracy .

How do you think people are going to react when a looney in a park declares himself the peoples medium and wants to set up a sovereign state and everyone must answer to them.

The sooner an election the better otherwise the same mistakes of four years ago will be repeated by both sides

Most of the corrupt people in power wear a uniform like this woman's husband. When these men decide to stop making Thailand the world coup hub, get out of their assorted criminal rackets, and go back to the job of attending to the national defense (I know, it's more difficult than killing unarmed student demonstrators but someone has to do it) then Thailand will make some progress.

I do believe we might have some one with knowledge of democracy, the comments should be listened to and acted on by those that should know better, however like everything at this level of power one wouldn't like to hold their breadth waiting for justice.

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Most of the corrupt people in power wear a uniform like this woman's husband. When these men decide to stop making Thailand the world coup hub, get out of their assorted criminal rackets, and go back to the job of attending to the national defense (I know, it's more difficult than killing unarmed student demonstrators but someone has to do it) then Thailand will make some progress.

Whilst you have generals appointed as heads of departments , as the trade off for free elections and the end of the junta,(1992) you will always have problems, in real terms the junta has not left , running the country as before, therein lies your problem

"The problem is that Thais, despite speaking the same language, just don't understand each other..."

Great line. Must agree. I have always said that they just don't see the big picture.

Nice to see one of their own having a dig. Shame she had to lose a husband to do so.

"Those who were responsible for the wrongdoings in 2010 are once again threatening the lives of innocent people in 2013-2014. Although we can't find them and bring them to justice, we all know who is behind all the violence. They are cruel,"

Truer words have never been spoken.

What was her husband doing in the conflict zone? Protecting the protesters (like the popcorn man); or for firing at the? Maybe France24 have the clip with answers.

He was protecting Bangkok from brute barbarians and arsonists.

Something wrong with grieving the loss of a family member to disseminate political inaccuracies.

>>>"Nicha's husband General Romklao Thuvatham was killed in a clash with red-shirt protesters at Khok Wua intersection in 2010. The red shirts were at the time protesting against the Abhisit Vejjajiva government"

The Red Shirts at the time were not protesting "against the Abhisit Vejjajiva government"...They were protesting a coup which had stolen their electoral choice and the imposition of a coup-rooted Govt....It was all about Electoral Democracy....Not about the Govt. in place at the time...Same as today.

>>>"Those who were responsible for the wrongdoings in 2010 are once again threatening the lives of innocent people in 2013-2014"

No they are not.

Trying to link the Lumpini coup-advocacy crowd with anti-coup protesters of 2010, is again an example of PAD-Dem's trying to contextualize historical events according to their spin. Everyone has their own take on who is the source of violence this time.

Articles of this nature ought to express concerns about all grieving relatives of those killed in 2010, not just one. What about the widow of Seh Daeng? What about the widows and parents of over 90 Red Shirts who were mowed down by the Coup-maker incited military...........Plus, it should not try to weave political innuendo into it. All those other's have political opinions as well, and perhaps more valid than this lady.

Let's separate Politics from grieving relatives, so one can sympathize with them, instead of being affronted by narrow political interests.

Something wrong with grieving the loss of a family member to disseminate political inaccuracies.

>>>"Nicha's husband General Romklao Thuvatham was killed in a clash with red-shirt protesters at Khok Wua intersection in 2010. The red shirts were at the time protesting against the Abhisit Vejjajiva government"

The Red Shirts at the time were not protesting "against the Abhisit Vejjajiva government"...They were protesting a coup which had stolen their electoral choice and the imposition of a coup-rooted Govt....It was all about Electoral Democracy....Not about the Govt. in place at the time...Same as today.

>>>"Those who were responsible for the wrongdoings in 2010 are once again threatening the lives of innocent people in 2013-2014"

No they are not.

Trying to link the Lumpini coup-advocacy crowd with anti-coup protesters of 2010, is again an example of PAD-Dem's trying to contextualize historical events according to their spin.

Articles of this nature ought to express concerns about all grieving relatives of those killed in 2010, not just one. And not try to weave political innuendo into it.

Amsterdam & Peroff is working early in the morning. Or, wait.. isn't it night time at Toronto?

Something wrong with grieving the loss of a family member to disseminate political inaccuracies.

>>>"Nicha's husband General Romklao Thuvatham was killed in a clash with red-shirt protesters at Khok Wua intersection in 2010. The red shirts were at the time protesting against the Abhisit Vejjajiva government"

The Red Shirts at the time were not protesting "against the Abhisit Vejjajiva government"...They were protesting a coup which had stolen their electoral choice and the imposition of a coup-rooted Govt....It was all about Electoral Democracy....Not about the Govt. in place at the time...Same as today.

>>>"Those who were responsible for the wrongdoings in 2010 are once again threatening the lives of innocent people in 2013-2014"

No they are not.

Trying to link the Lumpini coup-advocacy crowd with anti-coup protesters of 2010, is again an example of PAD-Dem's trying to contextualize historical events according to their spin. Everyone has their own take on who is the source of violence this time.

Articles of this nature ought to express concerns about all grieving relatives of those killed in 2010, not just one. What about the widow of Seh Daeng? What about the widows and parents of over 90 Red Shirts who were mowed down by the Coup-maker incited military...........Plus, it should not try to weave political innuendo into it. All those other's have political opinions as well, and perhaps more valid than this lady.

Let's separate Politics from grieving relatives, so one can sympathize with them, instead of being affronted by narrow political interests.

BS. They were protesting on behalf of Thaksin and his confiscated billions.

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"The day that PM Yingluck [shinawatra] said she wasn't being treated fairly by the National Anti-Corruption Commission with regards to the rice-pledging scheme, I chuckled inside because when other people called on her for justice, she did not care.

"I personally asked her - as chief of the government - to give me justice, but she did nothing.

Or as Yingluck might have said ... "Don't do as I do, do as I say ! ... Thank-you three times ! Smirk ! "

And while the DSI rush to prosecute Abhisit & Suthep for murder, in an attempt to pressure the S-Clan's political-enemies to quieten-down and accept their kleptocracy, the army and the red/Black-Shirts remain assured of immunity, from any such thing. So much for justice, for the families of dead Red-Shirts or soldiers or passing civilians, from PTP or the DSI.

No Double Standards, please.

Something wrong with grieving the loss of a family member to disseminate political inaccuracies.

>>>"Nicha's husband General Romklao Thuvatham was killed in a clash with red-shirt protesters at Khok Wua intersection in 2010. The red shirts were at the time protesting against the Abhisit Vejjajiva government"

The Red Shirts at the time were not protesting "against the Abhisit Vejjajiva government"...They were protesting a coup which had stolen their electoral choice and the imposition of a coup-rooted Govt....It was all about Electoral Democracy....Not about the Govt. in place at the time...Same as today.

>>>"Those who were responsible for the wrongdoings in 2010 are once again threatening the lives of innocent people in 2013-2014"

No they are not.

Trying to link the Lumpini coup-advocacy crowd with anti-coup protesters of 2010, is again an example of PAD-Dem's trying to contextualize historical events according to their spin. Everyone has their own take on who is the source of violence this time.

Articles of this nature ought to express concerns about all grieving relatives of those killed in 2010, not just one. What about the widow of Seh Daeng? What about the widows and parents of over 90 Red Shirts who were mowed down by the Coup-maker incited military...........Plus, it should not try to weave political innuendo into it. All those other's have political opinions as well, and perhaps more valid than this lady.

Let's separate Politics from grieving relatives, so one can sympathize with them, instead of being affronted by narrow political interests.

This was an exclusive interview with one widow. Isn't that permitted? Isn't she entitled to her views and grieving without someone like you shooting her down? Disgraceful!

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Something wrong with grieving the loss of a family member to disseminate political inaccuracies.

>>>"Nicha's husband General Romklao Thuvatham was killed in a clash with red-shirt protesters at Khok Wua intersection in 2010. The red shirts were at the time protesting against the Abhisit Vejjajiva government"

The Red Shirts at the time were not protesting "against the Abhisit Vejjajiva government"...They were protesting a coup which had stolen their electoral choice and the imposition of a coup-rooted Govt....It was all about Electoral Democracy....Not about the Govt. in place at the time...Same as today.

>>>"Those who were responsible for the wrongdoings in 2010 are once again threatening the lives of innocent people in 2013-2014"

No they are not.

Trying to link the Lumpini coup-advocacy crowd with anti-coup protesters of 2010, is again an example of PAD-Dem's trying to contextualize historical events according to their spin.

Articles of this nature ought to express concerns about all grieving relatives of those killed in 2010, not just one. And not try to weave political innuendo into it.

You said " The red shirts were protesting a coup that had stolen their electoral choice" ???

You did not mention why there was a coup ??? you did not mention Thaksin ???? the red shirts were just not protesting (peacefully) they were armed to the teeth, kids with them behind barriers of sharpened bamboo, Forget the photo's did we, you are one biased poster out to gain what??? an opinion is one thing a wind up is another. This was a mob that was prepared to fight anyone, and it is ingrained to this day, for the sake of a convicted Thai national on the run.

You post on some true events BUT omit the most important ones that go against your stand supporting the reds.

What was her husband doing in the conflict zone? Protecting the protesters (like the popcorn man); or for firing at the? Maybe France24 have the clip with answers.

He was protecting Bangkok from brute barbarians and arsonists.

Her husband was a member of the armed forces that in theory should exist to protect the country.

Instead, the Army after removing elected official from power, staged, yet again, a military coup and set up their kindred members of the Bangkok elite to assume power.

So are the the same grieving comments of the widow of Retired General Se Dang who was assassinated by an army sniper's bullet while interviewed on live TV.

Hers are the same tears and mourning of all the widows in banana republic countries where the army is the supreme power.

But of course, a Red's widow deserves no pity from the Anti-Thaksinistas and Suthepistas.

She deserves the sympathy she gets (and then some) but not the free publicity to promote absolutist political views.

She's an extremist and a true believer who needs to be protected against those that exploit her loss for political purposes. She cooperates too willingly.

The article is on the whole revealing, instructive, a red warning flag. I hadn't considered the Nation could go this far over to the far right. Feudalism here is an ideology that goes far deeper than even I had thought. Feudalism is indeed sacred and democracy pales by comparison.

What was her husband doing in the conflict zone? Protecting the protesters (like the popcorn man); or for firing at the? Maybe France24 have the clip with answers.

He was protecting Bangkok from brute barbarians and arsonists.

Her husband was a member of the armed forces that in theory should exist to protect the country.

Instead, the Army after removing elected official from power, staged, yet again, a military coup and set up their kindred members of the Bangkok elite to assume power.

So are the the same grieving comments of the widow of Retired General Se Dang who was assassinated by an army sniper's bullet while interviewed on live TV.

Hers are the same tears and mourning of all the widows in banana republic countries where the army is the supreme power.

But of course, a Red's widow deserves no pity from the Anti-Thaksinistas and Suthepistas.

Answer to most of these pro government posters----NO THAKSIN few problems. Easier to clean up the other problems in the realm--move on to an Asian Union, integrate and trade. Have to remove the worst of the cancers first--hence the protests.

If you knew khun Nicha personally, I am convinced that the words that some of you are typing would not be tainted with so much hate and prejudice. But it is very easy to be depersonalized when hiding for too long behind the keyboard, even to the point of forgetting that we are human beings.

Something wrong with grieving the loss of a family member to disseminate political inaccuracies.

>>>"Nicha's husband General Romklao Thuvatham was killed in a clash with red-shirt protesters at Khok Wua intersection in 2010. The red shirts were at the time protesting against the Abhisit Vejjajiva government"

The Red Shirts at the time were not protesting "against the Abhisit Vejjajiva government"...They were protesting a coup which had stolen their electoral choice and the imposition of a coup-rooted Govt....It was all about Electoral Democracy....Not about the Govt. in place at the time...Same as today.

>>>"Those who were responsible for the wrongdoings in 2010 are once again threatening the lives of innocent people in 2013-2014"

No they are not.

Trying to link the Lumpini coup-advocacy crowd with anti-coup protesters of 2010, is again an example of PAD-Dem's trying to contextualize historical events according to their spin.

Articles of this nature ought to express concerns about all grieving relatives of those killed in 2010, not just one. And not try to weave political innuendo into it.

You said " The red shirts were protesting a coup that had stolen their electoral choice" ???

You did not mention why there was a coup ??? you did not mention Thaksin ???? the red shirts were just not protesting (peacefully) they were armed to the teeth, kids with them behind barriers of sharpened bamboo, Forget the photo's did we, you are one biased poster out to gain what??? an opinion is one thing a wind up is another. This was a mob that was prepared to fight anyone, and it is ingrained to this day, for the sake of a convicted Thai national on the run.

You post on some true events BUT omit the most important ones that go against your stand supporting the reds.

There is another article today discussing how Thai society deeply polarised.

The above comments show why.

Framing the pro-democracy protests of 2010 as being in a political vauum....Magnifying and denigrating the protesters reactions to a coup, but never mentioning the coup.....Trying to characterize them as anarchistic with no motive other than generalized mayhem

The above comments reflect arrogant PAD-Dem disrespect for their political opposites, manifested via their many statements denigrating Red Shirts as being lesser people, mindless dolts and uni-dimensionally attached to Thaksin, only raised to political advocacy according to what they are paid.

This understandably engenders hatred from them.

Talk about polarization!

What was her husband doing in the conflict zone? Protecting the protesters (like the popcorn man); or for firing at the? Maybe France24 have the clip with answers.

are you human?

What was her husband doing in the conflict zone? Protecting the protesters (like the popcorn man); or for firing at the? Maybe France24 have the clip with answers.

are you human?

OTT

Something wrong with grieving the loss of a family member to disseminate political inaccuracies.

>>>"Nicha's husband General Romklao Thuvatham was killed in a clash with red-shirt protesters at Khok Wua intersection in 2010. The red shirts were at the time protesting against the Abhisit Vejjajiva government"

The Red Shirts at the time were not protesting "against the Abhisit Vejjajiva government"...They were protesting a coup which had stolen their electoral choice and the imposition of a coup-rooted Govt....It was all about Electoral Democracy....Not about the Govt. in place at the time...Same as today.

>>>"Those who were responsible for the wrongdoings in 2010 are once again threatening the lives of innocent people in 2013-2014"

No they are not.

Trying to link the Lumpini coup-advocacy crowd with anti-coup protesters of 2010, is again an example of PAD-Dem's trying to contextualize historical events according to their spin.

Articles of this nature ought to express concerns about all grieving relatives of those killed in 2010, not just one. And not try to weave political innuendo into it.

You said " The red shirts were protesting a coup that had stolen their electoral choice" ???

You did not mention why there was a coup ??? you did not mention Thaksin ???? the red shirts were just not protesting (peacefully) they were armed to the teeth, kids with them behind barriers of sharpened bamboo, Forget the photo's did we, you are one biased poster out to gain what??? an opinion is one thing a wind up is another. This was a mob that was prepared to fight anyone, and it is ingrained to this day, for the sake of a convicted Thai national on the run.

You post on some true events BUT omit the most important ones that go against your stand supporting the reds.

There is another article today discussing how Thai society deeply polarised.

The above comments show why.

Framing the pro-democracy protests of 2010 as being in a political vauum....Magnifying and denigrating the protesters reactions to a coup, but never mentioning the coup.....Trying to characterize them as anarchistic with no motive other than generalized mayhem

The above comments reflect arrogant PAD-Dem disrespect for their political opposites, manifested via their many statements denigrating Red Shirts as being lesser people, mindless dolts and uni-dimensionally attached to Thaksin, only raised to political advocacy according to what they are paid.

This understandably engenders hatred from them.

Talk about polarization!

Complete rubbish, your lot have been thrown out the last three time in power---I wonder why ???---coincidence--or did they commit crime ???

Something wrong with grieving the loss of a family member to disseminate political inaccuracies.

>>>"Nicha's husband General Romklao Thuvatham was killed in a clash with red-shirt protesters at Khok Wua intersection in 2010. The red shirts were at the time protesting against the Abhisit Vejjajiva government"

The Red Shirts at the time were not protesting "against the Abhisit Vejjajiva government"...They were protesting a coup which had stolen their electoral choice and the imposition of a coup-rooted Govt....It was all about Electoral Democracy....Not about the Govt. in place at the time...Same as today.

>>>"Those who were responsible for the wrongdoings in 2010 are once again threatening the lives of innocent people in 2013-2014"

No they are not.

Trying to link the Lumpini coup-advocacy crowd with anti-coup protesters of 2010, is again an example of PAD-Dem's trying to contextualize historical events according to their spin.

Articles of this nature ought to express concerns about all grieving relatives of those killed in 2010, not just one. And not try to weave political innuendo into it.

You said " The red shirts were protesting a coup that had stolen their electoral choice" ???

You did not mention why there was a coup ??? you did not mention Thaksin ???? the red shirts were just not protesting (peacefully) they were armed to the teeth, kids with them behind barriers of sharpened bamboo, Forget the photo's did we, you are one biased poster out to gain what??? an opinion is one thing a wind up is another. This was a mob that was prepared to fight anyone, and it is ingrained to this day, for the sake of a convicted Thai national on the run.

You post on some true events BUT omit the most important ones that go against your stand supporting the reds.

There is another article today discussing how Thai society deeply polarised.

The above comments show why.

Framing the pro-democracy protests of 2010 as being in a political vauum....Magnifying and denigrating the protesters reactions to a coup, but never mentioning the coup.....Trying to characterize them as anarchistic with no motive other than generalized mayhem

The above comments reflect arrogant PAD-Dem disrespect for their political opposites, manifested via their many statements denigrating Red Shirts as being lesser people, mindless dolts and uni-dimensionally attached to Thaksin, only raised to political advocacy according to what they are paid.

This understandably engenders hatred from them.

Talk about polarization!

Why did they wait 4 years to protest the coup?

Thaksin's trial verdict and a call to arms

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Something wrong with grieving the loss of a family member to disseminate political inaccuracies.

>>>"Nicha's husband General Romklao Thuvatham was killed in a clash with red-shirt protesters at Khok Wua intersection in 2010. The red shirts were at the time protesting against the Abhisit Vejjajiva government"

The Red Shirts at the time were not protesting "against the Abhisit Vejjajiva government"...They were protesting a coup which had stolen their electoral choice and the imposition of a coup-rooted Govt....It was all about Electoral Democracy....Not about the Govt. in place at the time...Same as today.

>>>"Those who were responsible for the wrongdoings in 2010 are once again threatening the lives of innocent people in 2013-2014"

No they are not.

Trying to link the Lumpini coup-advocacy crowd with anti-coup protesters of 2010, is again an example of PAD-Dem's trying to contextualize historical events according to their spin. Everyone has their own take on who is the source of violence this time.

Articles of this nature ought to express concerns about all grieving relatives of those killed in 2010, not just one. What about the widow of Seh Daeng? What about the widows and parents of over 90 Red Shirts who were mowed down by the Coup-maker incited military...........Plus, it should not try to weave political innuendo into it. All those other's have political opinions as well, and perhaps more valid than this lady.

Let's separate Politics from grieving relatives, so one can sympathize with them, instead of being affronted by narrow political interests.

Please explain why the red shirts that killed 20+ officials (in 2010) haven't been caught? Please also explain why the guys that killed 20+ peaceful protestors (in 2014) haven't been caught. In fact, in both cases nobody has been caught till today.

Why is Thaksin's government not interested in catching and bringing these brutal (child) killers to justice? They are obviously hiding something.

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Something wrong with grieving the loss of a family member to disseminate political inaccuracies.

>>>"Nicha's husband General Romklao Thuvatham was killed in a clash with red-shirt protesters at Khok Wua intersection in 2010. The red shirts were at the time protesting against the Abhisit Vejjajiva government"

The Red Shirts at the time were not protesting "against the Abhisit Vejjajiva government"...They were protesting a coup which had stolen their electoral choice and the imposition of a coup-rooted Govt....It was all about Electoral Democracy....Not about the Govt. in place at the time...Same as today.

>>>"Those who were responsible for the wrongdoings in 2010 are once again threatening the lives of innocent people in 2013-2014"

No they are not.

Trying to link the Lumpini coup-advocacy crowd with anti-coup protesters of 2010, is again an example of PAD-Dem's trying to contextualize historical events according to their spin. Everyone has their own take on who is the source of violence this time.

Articles of this nature ought to express concerns about all grieving relatives of those killed in 2010, not just one. What about the widow of Seh Daeng? What about the widows and parents of over 90 Red Shirts who were mowed down by the Coup-maker incited military...........Plus, it should not try to weave political innuendo into it. All those other's have political opinions as well, and perhaps more valid than this lady.

Let's separate Politics from grieving relatives, so one can sympathize with them, instead of being affronted by narrow political interests.

Please explain why the red shirts that killed 20+ officials (in 2010) haven't been caught? Please also explain why the guys that killed 20+ peaceful protestors (in 2014) haven't been caught. In fact, in both cases nobody has been caught till today.

Why is Thaksin's government not interested in catching and bringing these brutal (child) killers to justice? They are obviously hiding something.

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He may not answer until tomorrow, unless he has a good mug of café. Now it is 11:59 PM in Toronto

Why indeed!

The peoples medium is just down in lumping park.

Or hang on he might be up rubbing shoulders at the justice ministry.

Does this mean Thailand has a short medium at large?

"The problem is that Thais, despite speaking the same language, just don't understand each other..."

Phew - that's a relief! - I always thought it was only Farangs who didn't understand Thais...................

A post containing inflammatory insult comments has been removed as well as a reply.

^

Without strongman Thaksin, Thailand would have been at piece long time ago. Same applies to Cambodia where Thaksin's eternal friend Hun Sen is also the root cause of all injustice, division and violence.

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