Pheu Thai accuses acting Senate speaker and 40 senators of supporting rebels

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Pheu Thai accuses acting Senate speaker and 40 senators of supporting rebels



BANGKOK: -- The ruling Pheu Thai party today filed a complaint to the Department of Special Investigation (DSI) accusing acting Senate speaker and a group of 40 Senators of supporting insurrection movement by anti-government leader Suthep Thaugsuban.

Party spokesman Prompong Nopparit submitted the complaint to DSI chief Tarit Pengdit and asked him to take legal action against the acting Senate Speaker Surachai Liangboonlertchai for allowing the People’s Democratic Reform Committee (PDRC) leader Suthep to enter Parliament building and hold discussion with him.

Since Suthep is wanted for insurrection charge, allowing him into Parliament to speak and present ideas to senators was tantamount to support insurrection, Prompong said.

He also said the informal Senate meeting Tuesday called by Surachai and his meeting with Suthep to discuss the nomination of a prime minister is a blatant violation of the Constitution and supporting the rebels.

The party also named the Group of 40 Senators as wrongdoers in breaching the constitution and laws when they initiated the invitation of Suthep to the Parliament.

DSI chief Tarit accepted the complaint and assigned a special team to investigate.

Tarit later said he has monitored the movement of anti government protest for months and in his personal view, the acting speaker’s action was considered supporting insurrection.

Source: http://englishnews.thaipbs.or.th/pheu-thai-accuses-acting-senate-speaker-40-senators-supporting-rebels/


-- Thai PBS 2014-05-14

[catterwell]

"DSI chief Tarit accepted the complaint and assigned a special team to investigate. ... Tarit later said ... the acting speaker’s action was considered supporting insurrection".

That was one speedy investigation!

[Mango Bob]

I believe the crime would be aiding and abetting the enemy.

[airconsult]

Hmm, he's probably correct - but unfortunately in this weird and twisted system they will claim immunity as they are sitting senators. Then even if a move for impeachment is made it will be decided you can't reach a quorum (required 66%) of senators.

Bit of a sideshow - but does point out the double-standards and political leanings of the gang of 40.

[Scamper]

For all intends and purposes Prompong seems to have taken on the role of General. Each day, he sets the ever dutiful DSI to impeach everything that moves. Today, it's the new speaker of the Senate and forty senators. Tomorrow, who knows ? Pheu Thai has in effect gone mad. Like Jatuporn, people can't meet - even informally. They can't even talk - even informally. Like Dr. Narong - they can't speak against Pheu Thai. Like musicians in the north sympathetic to the PDRC, they can't perform. Like farmers - they can't protest. Everybody must be kept in line. Anything beyond that is insurrection - something apparently Pheu Thai and the UDD ( February 23 rally ) have been never guilty of. No, Chalerm turns a blind eye to all of that. He even manages to turn a blind eye to the Constitutional Court's ruling. But all things suspiciously not towing the Pheu Thai line - that's immediately insurrection. How tiresome.

[winstonc]

I believe the crime would be aiding and abetting the enemy.

and in another topic today you support the senate speaking to thaksin... theres one in every village..

[jonclark]

I believe the crime would be aiding and abetting the enemy.

Wow - So people who have a different political view are the enemy. The are in this instance the fellow countrymen of Thailand. They are not enemies.

Only a supporter of a dictatorship would use such terms. You clearly have more in common with Suthep than you might care to admit!!

[siampolee]

Pheu Thai accuses acting Senate speaker and 40 senators of supporting rebels

Thus spake the puppet of the great god Shinwatra.

Now if memory serves me correct is not the dishounarable P.T.P. spokesman currently supposed to be in prison?

Strange how the law is invoked when it suits those invokoing it yet totally ignored and treated with contempt when it suits them to ignore the law and indeed the decisions of the judiciary.

Oh dear yet again we visibly demonstrated the never ending saga of ongoing double standards by the self appointed P.T.P. New Elite .

Pheu Thai spokesman gets one-year jail term without suspension

December 12, 2013

The Appeals Court on Thursday sentenced Pheu Thai party spokesman Prompong Nopparit and another Pheu Thai member to one-year imprisonment without suspension after finding them guilty of defaming the former president of the Constitution Court.

http://englishnews.thaipbs.or.th

Edited May 14, 2014 by siampolee

[airconsult]

Caput gerat lupinum - and before anyone declares it's an english language forum - note that that's a legal concept. (Let his be a wolf's head)

Basically it is the punishment of "outlawry" - as the criminal chose to ignore all laws, therefore he is ruled to not have any rights under the law, and indeed may be persecuted and killed as if the criminal was a wild animal.

It was removed from the common law in 1938, however it was one of the original concepts that brought up "aiding and abetting" - which is what this topic is about. In the old law in many countries if you were found guilty of "aiding and abetting" you were subject to the same penalties.

[Tatsujin]

Love the rhetoric ... and those with easily swayed minds lap it up ... we've had fascists, thugs, scum, etc and now "rebels" ... all from a group that are the worst at following the laws here themselves.

Wish Tarit had taken the opportunity to arrest Prompong as he's still running loose (not on bail) when he should be in jail.

Every day these muppets continue with this shit, more people inside and outside Thailand see what is REALLY going on. Keep it up. You'll regret it one day soon.

[patjem]

The recent pattern for PTP: launch complaints to DSI: headed by dismissed ministers + the notorious Tarit. Prompong displaying his great 'legal knowledge' as lawyer, should be appealing to the appropriate court, should surely be appealing to the Constitutional Court? Tarit is 'on the case' and already concluded investigations, though! This guy is gonna get a comeuppance big time at some point!

[Nickymaster]

Says the party that takes orders from Khun Thaksin. A convicted criminal and a fugitive from Thai justice living in exile.

And by the way, does the DSI also accept complaints that are not filed by PT?

Edited May 14, 2014 by Nickymaster

[jonclark]

Says the party that takes orders from Khun Thaksin. A convicted criminal and a fugitive from Thai justice living in exile.

And by the way, does the DSI also accept complaints that are not filed by PT?

Man the dude looks half stoned

[rubl]

Either the article is incomplete or the Pheu Thai forgot to include ALL senators who were present during the talk with k. Suthep.

BTW how about Pheu Thai MP's flying abroad to consult with their great thinker, the criminal fugitive? We wouldn't like to display double standards, now would we?

[Chupup]

More "spitting the dummy" talk from the man who should be in jail to funny for words

[fab4]

Either the article is incomplete or the Pheu Thai forgot to include ALL senators who were present during the talk with k. Suthep.

BTW how about Pheu Thai MP's flying abroad to consult with their great thinker, the criminal fugitive? We wouldn't like to display double standards, now would we?

That's why it's always good to do some research, rubl, it isn't hard. Took me less than a minute to discover that the Senate meeting was informal and only attracted about 60 senators.

Apart from being off topic, what about PTP MP's flying abroad to visit Thaksin? That isn't against the constitution or Thai Law. suthep has outstanding arrest warrants for murder and sedition. He is in this country and should be liable to arrest, not feted by the deputy speaker of the senate.

Your double standards argument is a desperate stretch of the imagination.

Edited May 14, 2014 by fab4

[casualbiker]

Caput gerat lupinum - and before anyone declares it's an english language forum - note that that's a legal concept. (Let his be a wolf's head)

Basically it is the punishment of "outlawry" - as the criminal chose to ignore all laws, therefore he is ruled to not have any rights under the law, and indeed may be persecuted and killed as if the criminal was a wild animal.

It was removed from the common law in 1938, however it was one of the original concepts that brought up "aiding and abetting" - which is what this topic is about. In the old law in many countries if you were found guilty of "aiding and abetting" you were subject to the same penalties.

Therefore every member of PTP are subject to this as they follow and aided and abetted a CONVICTED criminal ..

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[fab4]

Caput gerat lupinum - and before anyone declares it's an english language forum - note that that's a legal concept. (Let his be a wolf's head)

Basically it is the punishment of "outlawry" - as the criminal chose to ignore all laws, therefore he is ruled to not have any rights under the law, and indeed may be persecuted and killed as if the criminal was a wild animal.

It was removed from the common law in 1938, however it was one of the original concepts that brought up "aiding and abetting" - which is what this topic is about. In the old law in many countries if you were found guilty of "aiding and abetting" you were subject to the same penalties.

Therefore every member of PTP are subject to this as they follow and aided and abetted a CONVICTED criminal ..

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How? The only arrest warrant, if there is one still, is only valid in this country. The BS abhisit and Kasit gave out about interpol red notices was just that, BS and a lie which they kept going for two and a half years.

[Baerboxer]

Either the article is incomplete or the Pheu Thai forgot to include ALL senators who were present during the talk with k. Suthep.

BTW how about Pheu Thai MP's flying abroad to consult with their great thinker, the criminal fugitive? We wouldn't like to display double standards, now would we?

That's why it's always good to do some research, rubl, it isn't hard. Took me less than a minute to discover that the Senate meeting was informal and only attracted about 60 senators.

Apart from being off topic, what about PTP MP's flying abroad to visit Thaksin? That isn't against the constitution or Thai Law. suthep has outstanding arrest warrants for murder and sedition. He is in this country and should be liable to arrest, not feted by the deputy speaker of the senate.

Your double standards argument is a desperate stretch of the imagination.

Yes, you've already confirmed on previous posts that you have no problem with a country being governed by a non elected criminal fugitive; or members of his puppet regime traveling to meet him.

PTP continue to pretend to be a legitimate caretaker government, with a legitimate acting caretaker PM and Chalerm continues to pretend he is still the director of the money spending machine known as CAPO, whilst the poor farmers continue to suffer from non payment of monies from an uncaring regime that never had any intention of paying them.

Your continued support of such a regime, constant denials of reality, and constant inference that Thaksin and all is cronies are totally innocent victims is even more pretend. The sort of pretend normally associated with soviet socialist republics and old Warsaw Pact members.

[airconsult]

Caput gerat lupinum - and before anyone declares it's an english language forum - note that that's a legal concept. (Let his be a wolf's head)

Basically it is the punishment of "outlawry" - as the criminal chose to ignore all laws, therefore he is ruled to not have any rights under the law, and indeed may be persecuted and killed as if the criminal was a wild animal.

It was removed from the common law in 1938, however it was one of the original concepts that brought up "aiding and abetting" - which is what this topic is about. In the old law in many countries if you were found guilty of "aiding and abetting" you were subject to the same penalties.

Therefore every member of PTP are subject to this as they follow and aided and abetted a CONVICTED criminal ..

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How? The only arrest warrant, if there is one still, is only valid in this country. The BS abhisit and Kasit gave out about interpol red notices was just that, BS and a lie which they kept going for two and a half years.

Yes the famous interpol red notice hoax - they asked interpol for an opinion once only - and it was their opinion they would probably deny the request as they do not touch any warrants that smell political. There's a link from 2011.

http://www.thaivisa.com/forum/topic/491513-the-truth-about-interpol-warrant-for-thaksin/

EDIT

Another link on interpol's opinion.

http://www.iol.co.za/news/world/no-call-received-to-arrest-thaksin-interpol-1.485473#.U3MtE_mSw1Y

Edited May 14, 2014 by airconsult

[chainarong]

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For all intends and purposes Prompong seems to have taken on the role of General. Each day, he sets the ever dutiful DSI to impeach everything that moves. Today, it's the new speaker of the Senate and forty senators. Tomorrow, who knows ? Pheu Thai has in effect gone mad. Like Jatuporn, people can't meet - even informally. They can't even talk - even informally. Like Dr. Narong - they can't speak against Pheu Thai. Like musicians in the north sympathetic to the PDRC, they can't perform. Like farmers - they can't protest. Everybody must be kept in line. Anything beyond that is insurrection - something apparently Pheu Thai and the UDD ( February 23 rally ) have been never guilty of. No, Chalerm turns a blind eye to all of that. He even manages to turn a blind eye to the Constitutional Court's ruling. But all things suspiciously not towing the Pheu Thai line - that's immediately insurrection. How tiresome.

Good grounding to suspect that if PTP ever win the next election Scamper, it is on the road to a totalitarian state, Thaskins Thailand

Edited May 14, 2014 by chainarong

[JesseFrank]

Says the party that takes orders from Khun Thaksin. A convicted criminal and a fugitive from Thai justice living in exile.

And by the way, does the DSI also accept complaints that are not filed by PT?

Man the dude looks half stoned

I would like to see him completely stoned, as in " after the stoning " .

[fab4]

Yes, you've already confirmed on previous posts that you have no problem with a country being governed by a non elected criminal fugitive; or members of his puppet regime traveling to meet him.

PTP continue to pretend to be a legitimate caretaker government, with a legitimate acting caretaker PM and Chalerm continues to pretend he is still the director of the money spending machine known as CAPO, whilst the poor farmers continue to suffer from non payment of monies from an uncaring regime that never had any intention of paying them.

Your continued support of such a regime, constant denials of reality, and constant inference that Thaksin and all is cronies are totally innocent victims is even more pretend. The sort of pretend normally associated with soviet socialist republics and old Warsaw Pact members.

When I make constant reference that Thaksin and all is cronies are totally innocent victims, please let me know. I haven't done so far and I'd hate to emulate some of the more polific supporters of suthep his guards and his methods.

[rubl]

Either the article is incomplete or the Pheu Thai forgot to include ALL senators who were present during the talk with k. Suthep.

BTW how about Pheu Thai MP's flying abroad to consult with their great thinker, the criminal fugitive? We wouldn't like to display double standards, now would we?

That's why it's always good to do some research, rubl, it isn't hard. Took me less than a minute to discover that the Senate meeting was informal and only attracted about 60 senators.

Apart from being off topic, what about PTP MP's flying abroad to visit Thaksin? That isn't against the constitution or Thai Law. suthep has outstanding arrest warrants for murder and sedition. He is in this country and should be liable to arrest, not feted by the deputy speaker of the senate.

Your double standards argument is a desperate stretch of the imagination.

Talking about stretching imagination, why were only 40 senators accused and not all 60 present?

Double standards anyone, my friend dear fabs has a few of them.

So, going further off topic, a visit of Pheu Thai MPs and higher level government officials to a criminal fugitive abroad is not against the law? If only I'd known last time I was abroad

[casualbiker]

Caput gerat lupinum - and before anyone declares it's an english language forum - note that that's a legal concept. (Let his be a wolf's head)

Basically it is the punishment of "outlawry" - as the criminal chose to ignore all laws, therefore he is ruled to not have any rights under the law, and indeed may be persecuted and killed as if the criminal was a wild animal.

It was removed from the common law in 1938, however it was one of the original concepts that brought up "aiding and abetting" - which is what this topic is about. In the old law in many countries if you were found guilty of "aiding and abetting" you were subject to the same penalties.

Therefore every member of PTP are subject to this as they follow and aided and abetted a CONVICTED criminal ..

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How? The only arrest warrant, if there is one still, is only valid in this country. The BS abhisit and Kasit gave out about interpol red notices was just that, BS and a lie which they kept going for two and a half years.

What an earth does Interpol have to do with politicians from PTP taking orders and following the convicted criminal known as Thaksin Shinawatra .. talk about obscuration!

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[rubl]

Caput gerat lupinum - and before anyone declares it's an english language forum - note that that's a legal concept. (Let his be a wolf's head)

Basically it is the punishment of "outlawry" - as the criminal chose to ignore all laws, therefore he is ruled to not have any rights under the law, and indeed may be persecuted and killed as if the criminal was a wild animal.

It was removed from the common law in 1938, however it was one of the original concepts that brought up "aiding and abetting" - which is what this topic is about. In the old law in many countries if you were found guilty of "aiding and abetting" you were subject to the same penalties.

Therefore every member of PTP are subject to this as they follow and aided and abetted a CONVICTED criminal ..

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How? The only arrest warrant, if there is one still, is only valid in this country. The BS abhisit and Kasit gave out about interpol red notices was just that, BS and a lie which they kept going for two and a half years.

two and a half years? more like slightly more than one year, it would seem. Only after the May 2010 riots thing got really started. There was confusion about the need to translate documents also.

2010-05-26

"Law enforcement officials will today begin the process to extradite fugitive ex-premier Thaksin Shinawatra following court approval yesterday for a warrant for his arrest on a terrorism charge for the unrest in Thailand in recent weeks."

http://www.nationmultimedia.com/politics/Warrant-approved-for-Thaksin-on-terror-30130223.html

2010-06-11

"However, DSI director-general Tharit Pengdit yesterday insisted that the request had been sent to the police last week. "I don't know why the police said they didn't get it," he said.Tharit also said the police should not pass to the DSI the job of translating Thaksin's arrest warrant into English"

http://www.nationmultimedia.com/politics/Police-DSI-squabble-over-seeking-Interpol-help-30131337.html

And probably the last

2011-08-16

"In regard to the discovery that Interpol did not circulate Thaksin's warrant of arrest, he said his government was at fault for failing to follow up on the issue."

http://www.nationmultimedia.com/national/Democrat-legal-team-to-probe-govt-involvement-in-T-30162897.html

Regarding the arrest warrant in this country, you probably refer to the one issued on 2012-10-12 by the Supreme Court's Criminal Division for Holders of Political Positions regarding a case involving a 11.58 billion Baht in loans by the state-owned KTB.

We had k. Noppadon then saying his boss not to accept the Supreme Court's decision to issue a warrant for his arrest in the Krung Thai Bank loan case.

[jennywren]

The only mileage in this for Suthep is that he persuades some of his cronies in the Senate to go through the motion of naming a PM.

Can't and won't work and he'd need much more than the Thai Army to force through its dictats.

So if it riles up the Reds enough and they arrive to overthrow the appointee they are back at their origianally planned route to the Coup... that being Army coming into put down (legitimate) Red protestors.

Whatever the Senate decide, they all know they won't be ruling over anything or anybody anytime soon!!!

[tezzainoz]

For all intends and purposes Prompong seems to have taken on the role of General. Each day, he sets the ever dutiful DSI to impeach everything that moves. Today, it's the new speaker of the Senate and forty senators. Tomorrow, who knows ? Pheu Thai has in effect gone mad. Like Jatuporn, people can't meet - even informally. They can't even talk - even informally. Like Dr. Narong - they can't speak against Pheu Thai. Like musicians in the north sympathetic to the PDRC, they can't perform. Like farmers - they can't protest. Everybody must be kept in line. Anything beyond that is insurrection - something apparently Pheu Thai and the UDD ( February 23 rally ) have been never guilty of. No, Chalerm turns a blind eye to all of that. He even manages to turn a blind eye to the Constitutional Court's ruling. But all things suspiciously not towing the Pheu Thai line - that's immediately insurrection. How tiresome.

You have just explained why there can not be fair elections in Thailand

[jennywren]

Ok just to shed light on the PDRC plans please. Love any of the apologists to have a go at this

Who is in the running for appointed PM and why is he suitable and not likely to side with PDRC or Reds?

What powers are invested in him or can he just do what he likes?

In the case of him not being a dictator, what are the checks and balances? is it policies that he enacts?

Who is voting on the policies and formulating them? Do they instantly get approval and if so from who? A committee? Suthep? Ananart?

Who is appointing any committees, chairmen, advisors, minions to run this breakaway cabinet.

What is nobody takes any notice of it? are its policies going to be enforced at the barrel of a gun? Remember here please that the Retired General trying to invoke Section 7 said any opponants of an appointed PM must be destroyed.!!! Read into that what you want, but he was quoted widely as having said that and at 92 years old has experience of how dissenters were dealt with under the old Thai regimes. Many dead seems to be the norm.

Its possible that a real (Independent) PM could come to the conclusion that Elections and Democracy are the way forward.. Most out side of PDRC believe this so why shouldn't a supposed neutral PM?

What if this does not fall in with What Suthep wants? It is quite clear now, that the PDRC is so marginalised that only one of their own could come put out policies that agree with him. Does Suthep have a veto?

So, is the dream of an appointed PM anything more than that?

[casualbiker]

Ok just to shed light on the PDRC plans please. Love any of the apologists to have a go at this

Who is in the running for appointed PM and why is he suitable and not likely to side with PDRC or Reds?

What powers are invested in him or can he just do what he likes?

In the case of him not being a dictator, what are the checks and balances? is it policies that he enacts?

Who is voting on the policies and formulating them? Do they instantly get approval and if so from who? A committee? Suthep? Ananart?

Who is appointing any committees, chairmen, advisors, minions to run this breakaway cabinet.

What is nobody takes any notice of it? are its policies going to be enforced at the barrel of a gun? Remember here please that the Retired General trying to invoke Section 7 said any opponants of an appointed PM must be destroyed.!!! Read into that what you want, but he was quoted widely as having said that and at 92 years old has experience of how dissenters were dealt with under the old Thai regimes. Many dead seems to be the norm.

Its possible that a real (Independent) PM could come to the conclusion that Elections and Democracy are the way forward.. Most out side of PDRC believe this so why shouldn't a supposed neutral PM?

What if this does not fall in with What Suthep wants? It is quite clear now, that the PDRC is so marginalised that only one of their own could come put out policies that agree with him. Does Suthep have a veto?

So, is the dream of an appointed PM anything more than that?

Chuwit..in answer to ALL your questions!

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