Suthep and Jatuporn nowhere near backing down

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I believe the easier path is to have a national referendum as suggested by the reds, see what the Thai public wants and then move towards that. All parties must agree with what the majority wants as there will be no end to this if it continues. There is no winner but the ordinary workers are the biggest losers as tourist will get less and foreign countries start to pull out from thailand

As discussed yesterday this will be abused by the PTP ,back to vote buying, intimidation, no different to an election, so that the out come might not be the correct out come , this has already been thought of, why do you think the PTP support such an idea.

Why do I think????

PTP knows it holds a massive majority and its only fools who think they got to this position through intimidation and vote buying. Thaksin was first elected back in 2001 because the Thai peoplehad had enough of the old school running Thailand

[ginjag]

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I believe the easier path is to have a national referendum as suggested by the reds, see what the Thai public wants and then move towards that. All parties must agree with what the majority wants as there will be no end to this if it continues. There is no winner but the ordinary workers are the biggest losers as tourist will get less and foreign countries start to pull out from thailand

As discussed yesterday this will be abused by the PTP ,back to vote buying, intimidation, no different to an election, so that the out come might not be the correct out come , this has already been thought of, why do you think the PTP support such an idea.

Why do I think????

PTP knows it holds a massive majority and its only fools who think they got to this position through intimidation and vote buying. Thaksin was first elected back in 2001 because the Thai peoplehad had enough of the old school running Thailand

Massive majority ??? Landslide ???? so much so they had to go around and get other little parties to join them. and said you can be in the trough if you side with us---coalition===made up government.

And now how many will still be in Thailand for fear of being nabbed, aiding and abetting ???? + super ran PTP who brought the country to its knees---BEFORE the people took to the streets-----this part seems to conveniently overlooked UN democratically run government.

Edited May 17, 2014 by ginjag

[LivinLOS]

Yes massive majority.. Wasnt Thaksin the first government ever to serve a whole term, go to the elections and win again ?? Were they not a total majority the second time around, causing so much fear from the old guard they had to have a coup ??

Yes later judicial wranglings and behind the scenes arm twisting has mean they were not absolute majority, but still handily won. Something the Dems havent done in what ?? 20 years ?? Since the Lekpai government scandal which was caused by corruption by who ? You guessed it.. Suthep !!

The irony of him talking about corruption, after being the person who brought down the last duly elected democrat government for.. Corruption.. Is just staggering.

[ozvenison]

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I believe the easier path is to have a national referendum as suggested by the reds, see what the Thai public wants and then move towards that. All parties must agree with what the majority wants as there will be no end to this if it continues. There is no winner but the ordinary workers are the biggest losers as tourist will get less and foreign countries start to pull out from thailand

As discussed yesterday this will be abused by the PTP ,back to vote buying, intimidation, no different to an election, so that the out come might not be the correct out come , this has already been thought of, why do you think the PTP support such an idea.

Why do I think????

PTP knows it holds a massive majority and its only fools who think they got to this position through intimidation and vote buying. Thaksin was first elected back in 2001 because the Thai peoplehad had enough of the old school running Thailand

Massive majority ??? Landslide ???? so much so they had to go around and get other little parties to join them. and said you can be in the trough if you side with us---coalition===made up government.

And now how many will still be in Thailand for fear of being nabbed, aiding and abetting ???? + super ran PTP who brought the country to its knees---BEFORE the people took to the streets-----this part seems to conveniently overlooked UN democratically run government.

Many governments including Thailand are regularly made up by a Coalition as is the current government.. nothing new here..

The democrats had the same set up in their many 'victories'

http://englishnews.thaipbs.or.th/democrat-party-meet-coalition-parties-discuss-putting-february-2-poll/

Edited May 17, 2014 by ozvenison

[FangFerang]

Of course neither side is backing down -- neither has backed down for over ten years and simply cannot learn any new tricks. The lead story at the BP today is "Interim PM plan fails" -- you should see the photo-op sad face Suthep is wearing. He accuses the senators of being 'gutless', and declares he will take care of this personally now.

Staged emotion, intransigent political fantasies, armed thugs, ruthlessly spending the lives of supporters like 25 stang coins, mushrooming extortion and corruption, and self-interest all as a show from the indicted figurehead.....think.

This describes the 'leadership'; of both sides exactly, with so few exceptions that the ones with even fairly clean hands are then marginalized to prevent any potential rise to power.

Jutaporn making seriously stupid remarks to General Prayuth -- in firebrand photo-op moments -- Jutaporn accuses the General of having contingency plans Jutaporn does not like.

Staged emotion, intransigent political fantasies, armed thugs, ruthlessly spending the lives of supporters like 25 stang coins, mushrooming extortion and corruption, and self-interest all as a show from the indicted figurehead.....think.

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I believe the easier path is to have a national referendum as suggested by the reds, see what the Thai public wants and then move towards that. All parties must agree with what the majority wants as there will be no end to this if it continues. There is no winner but the ordinary workers are the biggest losers as tourist will get less and foreign countries start to pull out from thailand

As discussed yesterday this will be abused by the PTP ,back to vote buying, intimidation, no different to an election, so that the out come might not be the correct out come , this has already been thought of, why do you think the PTP support such an idea.

Why do I think????

PTP knows it holds a massive majority and its only fools who think they got to this position through intimidation and vote buying. Thaksin was first elected back in 2001 because the Thai peoplehad had enough of the old school running Thailand

Massive majority ??? Landslide ???? so much so they had to go around and get other little parties to join them. and said you can be in the trough if you side with us---coalition===made up government.

And now how many will still be in Thailand for fear of being nabbed, aiding and abetting ???? + super ran PTP who brought the country to its knees---BEFORE the people took to the streets-----this part seems to conveniently overlooked UN democratically run government.

PTP won enough seats on their own to hold power. Teaming up with some smaller parties created a buffer against a few defectors....

[american12bthai]

The problems thailand is facing are not political. The solutions lay in the core of thai culture.......attitude change from both sides is the only way to peace and prosperity.

yep, this never lose face mentality is hilarious.

i think this sums it up nicely.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5oPsvq81n2A

When an Unstoppable Force meets an Immovable Object this happens. A good agreement usually has both sides unhappy. thats what i would like to see, butt hurt politicians and happy people. I miss happy thai times.

Both sides MUST LOSE FACE for the country. plain and simple. (not so simple because of the culture huh) the people will believe whatever you tell them as long as it works out. Maybe we need a "Faceoff)

[manstr23]

Although this editorial centers on two men, it is actually about neither. It has always been about Thaksin. Thaksin has been the focus of this great political divide. Jatuporn wants Thaksin, Suthep doesn't - that is true. But to be sure, the common denominator is Thaksin. Without Thaksin, the UDD would never have formed, and without Thaksin the UDD would crumple, or at least splinter into factions controlled by various competing " leaders ". Without Thaksin, the PDRC would never have been formed either. Thaksin has been the glue that has held the PDRC together. Thaksin is what brings them to the streets. So this entire drama - that has gone on for years - really and truly is predicated on whether Thaksin can be eased out of process or not. The area that this editorial concentrates on is - what if neither side prevails - what then ? What then is actually what is happening now - a stalemate.

The courts and their cases, the NACC and its investigation, the Senate and its responsibilities, and all those who are actively engaged in discussions and consensus-building - all those should continue. The path to change is achieved through talking. That door must always be open.

Thaksin will never give up while he is still alive and compus mentis. By continuing the fight he has only upside and no downside. By giving up he would lose the massive income stream he gets from controlling the government and would have to accept never going home. His downside is limited because he doesn't even care enough about the risk of family members like Yingluck in Thailand to avoid putting her in great danger - now she will most probably have to join him in Dubai. He certainly doesn't care if he destroys the economy or pushes worthless Thai peasants to suicide.

That is why weakling Thai compromise solutions don't work, e.g. not removing Yingluck's entire cabinet as was proscribed by the Constitution, or only confiscating half his wealth which meant he was not punished, just lost proceeds of his theft. Compromises just ensure he stays in the game and comes back more rabid than before. The only way to deal with him is to always take the strongest approach possible and give him no quarter at all. Then he might show some respect.

You are right on with your comments. Sorry I ran out of "Likes"

[Civil War]

Just get on with the fight... It is the only thing that will move Thailand forward and gives the military an excuse to execute the bad elements of the nation for them never to return again.

[Pops]

Suthep and Jatuporn should both be removed one way or another.

They are destroying this country and blocking the way for a solution.

It's incredible how a couple of lunatics can hold a country hostage.

[ginjag]

Massive majority ??? Landslide ???? so much so they had to go around and get other little parties to join them. and said you can be in the trough if you side with us---coalition===made up government.

And now how many will still be in Thailand for fear of being nabbed, aiding and abetting ???? + super ran PTP who brought the country to its knees---BEFORE the people took to the streets-----this part seems to conveniently overlooked UN democratically run government.

Many governments including Thailand are regularly made up by a Coalition as is the current government.. nothing new here..

The democrats had the same set up in their many 'victories'

http://englishnews.thaipbs.or.th/democrat-party-meet-coalition-parties-discuss-putting-february-2-poll/

So your point is what ??? I agree with you,

Any answer to them feeding in the trough with the PTP, you think they joined in with the PTP for LOVE ??? MONEY only, now where are the coalition members ?? doing what ??? never here of them and there were goodness knows how many. Get on the boil,

You see the gist of my post, It's not my business to try to sway you--impossible ?? just a few pointers to ponder about.

[toybits]

But Mr. Suthep said he would surrender near the end of this month if he is unsuccessful in having the cabinet resign? So what is it really Mr. Suthep? Are you really going to back down or is this another D-day announcement you that we have gotten to know so well?