Local Amphur demanding 2000 Bahts

[DerekMarshall]

Hi guys and Gals, 

 

Friday August 1st at 5:45am (yup nice time) house was visited by army and 2 police cars after a check (possibly tip off!) of a foreigner living in the house.

OTT I know..for a podgy disabled guy..never been on wrong visa or god/Buddha forbid an overstay! 

 

The house master who is also chief of the village was called to a meeting today with other village chiefs and who knows else and told to present copy of

blue house book and details of the foreigner, myself (obviously!) and told to pay 2,000 Bahts.

 

This to me seems to be a bit fishy as should nt we register myself as living at the address on a TM 30 form (the form asked to fill out my details was not TM 30 form). I do accept responsibility for not having filled out the TM 30 form, actually did fill one out but forgot to take it to immigration when we went on a 500KM round trip to Khon Kaen to get my daughters Thai passport.

 

I know, the fine is technically for the house master and it is for him to inform immigration who is living in his house. But, T.I.T, a fine for a Thai is a fine for a farang! (at least in this case) 

 

How do I ensure this not underhand going on (i.e corruption)?

If it is what to do (other than non payment!)? anywhere to report it? 

How do I ensure I do not get stung with a second fine when we take the T.M 30 for to immigration? (something we may do in next 24 or 48 hrs and pay fine anyway!)

 

anyone else had such experience? 

 

As a side question who and what must I take with me when handing in a filled out TM 30? must I take the house master or can I do it myself? 

 

TM30 form attached for anyone interested in filling one out and avoiding complications in the future.

 

Thank you kindly in advance. 

 

 

 

 

Edited August 4, 2014 by DerekMarshall

[Mario2008]

Both you and the housemaster must report and each of you can be fined for not doing so.

you fill out form 28, the housemaster form 30. The housemaster can also be the person renting the place.

 

If you get a receipt you know everything is above board, if no receipt or if the corect amount is notmentioned it is of course fishy.

 

 

[ColdSingha]

do we have to fill these forms in (foreigner and housemaster) if for instance wife owns house and foreigner reports living there on visa extension and 90 day reports?

[Mario2008]

Yes, both have to report.

 

 

[DerekMarshall]

Both you and the housemaster must report and each of you can be fined for not doing so.

you fill out form 28, the housemaster form 30. The housemaster can also be the person renting the place.

 

If you get a receipt you know everything is above board, if no receipt or if the corect amount is notmentioned it is of course fishy.

 

 

Thank you Mario,

 

Can this be done at the local Amphur or MUST be done at Immigration? 

 

reason I suspect something fishy and a local tip off is the house at end of our street has to report also..and the Foreigner..does not and has never lived there, with the exception of a few weeks holiday 2x a year! (In fact his wife is currently in his country!)

 

Receipt should state what it is for.

 

what would happen if I changed dates saying I arrived to live in their house say..today? 

 

Form TM.28 attached for those that may need to fill one out.

 

FYI..no immigration in Roi Et..nearest Khon kaen, Udon or Mudhakhan (excuse spelling!) 

Edited August 4, 2014 by DerekMarshall

[ignis]

Always have a TM30 filled out in my folder of all the other Immigration paperwork..  appear to get asked for it about 1x a year, when doing my 90 day report.. [lived at same address 11 years no idea why they need it every so often? ]

 

Edit: re next post never seen a TM28......

 

I have been on my local Amphur Computer since early 2004..  + is where I go to get a Certificate of Residence... they just change the date and print out the Certificate of Residence, add there big red seal stamp and sign it.. easy and free + while you wait...

Edited August 4, 2014 by ignis

[Mario2008]

TM 28 must be done at the immigraiton office, but can be done by mail. (Include self addressed stamped envellope)

 

TM 30 must be done at the immigration office, but if there is no local immigration office can be done at the local police station.

[DerekMarshall]

TM 28 must be done at the immigraiton office, but can be done by mail. (Include self addressed stamped envellope)

 

TM 30 must be done at the immigration office, but if there is no local immigration office can be done at the local police station.

Ultra cool Thank you kindly. By police station do mean police check point box thing on the village main road or else where in nearest town. 

[ubonjoe]

If you have already been doing 90 day reports to immigration you should not need to do a TM28.

Just have your wife or girlfriend do a TM30 keep the receipt for it in case somebody tries to make a problem

[DerekMarshall]

If you have already been doing 90 day reports to immigration you should not need to do a TM28.

Just have your wife or girlfriend do a TM30 keep the receipt for it in case somebody tries to make a problem

 

Oddly never had to a 90 day report as of yet. I will have to soon. 

 

Incidental, help for myself and others, what documents are required for the TM30 and TM 28? (other than the forms filled out correctly) 

 

Thanks in advance. 

Edited August 4, 2014 by DerekMarshall

[antifagasto]

Both you and the housemaster must report and each of you can be fined for not doing so.

you fill out form 28, the housemaster form 30. The housemaster can also be the person renting the place.

 

If you get a receipt you know everything is above board, if no receipt or if the corect amount is notmentioned it is of course fishy.

 

 

hmm then when you go ask for proof of address they refuse to acknowledge that they have anything there confirming your address.

[DerekMarshall]

 

Both you and the housemaster must report and each of you can be fined for not doing so.

you fill out form 28, the housemaster form 30. The housemaster can also be the person renting the place.

 

If you get a receipt you know everything is above board, if no receipt or if the corect amount is notmentioned it is of course fishy.

 

 

hmm then when you go ask for proof of address they refuse to acknowledge that they have anything there confirming your address.

 

 

Antifagasto, I complete do not understand your post. What do you mean? 

[AYJAYDEE]

TM 28 must be done at the immigraiton office, but can be done by mail. (Include self addressed stamped envellope)

 

TM 30 must be done at the immigration office, but if there is no local immigration office can be done at the local police station.

if you fill out your arrival card with the address of the house you will be staying in, is there then any need to also do a form 28?

[DerekMarshall]

 

TM 28 must be done at the immigraiton office, but can be done by mail. (Include self addressed stamped envellope)

 

TM 30 must be done at the immigration office, but if there is no local immigration office can be done at the local police station.

if you fill out your arrival card with the address of the house you will be staying in, is there then any need to also do a form 28?

 

Damn good question! 

 

TM28 is a change of address..something I am not doing, my address is as per arrival card. 

 

I do suspect TM30 will have to be filled out at the local cop shop. 

[AYJAYDEE]

 

 

TM 28 must be done at the immigraiton office, but can be done by mail. (Include self addressed stamped envellope)

 

TM 30 must be done at the immigration office, but if there is no local immigration office can be done at the local police station.

if you fill out your arrival card with the address of the house you will be staying in, is there then any need to also do a form 28?

 

Damn good question! 

 

TM28 is a change of address..something I am not doing, my address is as per arrival card. 

 

I do suspect TM30 will have to be filled out at the local cop shop. 

 

we take the TM30 to the police

[Mario2008]

I would say that if you fill in the arrival card and give your address, you have reported your adress to immirgation and no further report is needed.

 

But the big question is how immigration will regard this.

[AYJAYDEE]

I would say that if you fill in the arrival card and give your address, you have reported your adress to immirgation and no further report is needed.

 

But the big question is how immigration will regard this.

well we'll do the tm30 in any case and see if they ask for more

[DerekMarshall]

 

I would say that if you fill in the arrival card and give your address, you have reported your adress to immirgation and no further report is needed.

 

But the big question is how immigration will regard this.

well we'll do the tm30 in any case and see if they ask for more

 

Way I see it...address has been given via arrivals card. TM 30 by house master will have to be filled out and handed in to Immigration/police station.

And 90 day reporting as per given address.

 

Way I see it get your TM30´s done. Just visited a French friend - he had the same police and army turning up. He had his paperwork done. We live 30Km apart and are just a series of nothing villages where nothing happens.

 

Looks like unregistered guests at houses are a target as well as overstayers, visa runners and back to back tourist visas. 

 

Get your TM 30´s done guys save hassle and 2000 Bahts. 

[Maestro]

My current understanding of the requirement to sumit the TM.28 is here: http://www.thaivisa.com/forum/topic/748781-if-you-fill-out-your-house-address-on-your-arrival-card/?view=findpost&p=8198094

 

For the TM.30 it is here: http://www.thaivisa.com/forum/topic/747147-immigration-foreigners-must-now-carry-valid-id-at-all-times-report-within-24-hours/?view=findpost&p=8170121

[paz]

By the way it was executed, and presence of the Army I think it's evident this has been politically motivated, for the benefit of the local Isaan administration.

[kriswillems]

Just want to warn people that have to extend their visa in Sri Racha.

Sometimes they ask for the TM 30 receipt, even though I go to tell them every 90 days where I live and I've written it on my arrival card.

For them it's nothing more than a tool to generate some extra income, it has no other function in case the farang lives with his Thai wife, because they know your address for years. Edited August 4, 2014 by kriswillems

[OJAS]

Just want to warn people that have to extend their visa in Sri Racha.

Sometimes they ask for the TM 30 receipt, even though I go to tell them every 90 days where I live and I've written it on my arrival card.

For them it's nothing more than a tool to generate some extra income, it has no other function in case the farang lives with his Thai wife, because they know your address for years.

 

Come come, it provides them with yet more paper which can then be shredded and stuffed into cushion covers for the comfort of their officers' bums!

[mxyzptlk]

I've never filled out a TM28 and our lass has never filled out a TM30 (as a housemaster) for me living at her house in the last 5 years on my yearly extensions for both retirement & marriage , but with the recent enforcement of existing rules we will be complying from now on. Plus whenever I leave my home province for whatever reason I always carry my passport for my convenience   To me it's no big deal....

Edited August 4, 2014 by mxyzptlk

[DerekMarshall]

My current understanding of the requirement to sumit the TM.28 is here: http://www.thaivisa.com/forum/topic/748781-if-you-fill-out-your-house-address-on-your-arrival-card/?view=findpost&p=8198094

 

For the TM.30 it is here: http://www.thaivisa.com/forum/topic/747147-immigration-foreigners-must-now-carry-valid-id-at-all-times-report-within-24-hours/?view=findpost&p=8170121

From Thai immigration act. in ref to TM 30

 

"Section 38 : The house – master , the owner or the possessor of the residence , or the hotel manager

where the alien , receiving permission to stay temporary in the Kingdom has stayed , must notify the

competent official of the Immigration Office located in the same area with that hours , dwelling place or

hotel, within 24 hours from the time of arrival of the alien concerned. If there is no Immigration Office

located in that area , the local police official for that area must be notified.

In case the house , dwelling place , or hotel where the alien has stayed under provision of Para.1

is located within the Bangkok area , such notification must be reported to the competent official at the

Immigration Division"

 

In reference to TM 28 

 

"Section 37 : An alien having received a temporary entry permit into the Kingdom must comply with the

following :

.

2. Shall stay at the place as indicated to the competent official. Where there is proper reason

that he cannot stay at the place as indicated to the competent official, he shall notify the competent official

of the change in residence , within 24 hours from the time of removing to said place.

 

3. Shall notify the police official of the local police station where such alien resides, within twenty

– four hours from the time of arrival. In the case of change in residence in which new residence is not

located the same area with the former police stations , such alien must notify the police official of the

police station for that area within twenty – four hours from the time of arrival.

 

4. If the alien travels to any province and will stay there longer than twenty – four hours , such

alien must notify the police official of the police station for that area within forty – eight hours from the time

of arrival."

[AYJAYDEE]

 

My current understanding of the requirement to sumit the TM.28 is here: http://www.thaivisa.com/forum/topic/748781-if-you-fill-out-your-house-address-on-your-arrival-card/?view=findpost&p=8198094

 

For the TM.30 it is here: http://www.thaivisa.com/forum/topic/747147-immigration-foreigners-must-now-carry-valid-id-at-all-times-report-within-24-hours/?view=findpost&p=8170121

From Thai immigration act. in ref to TM 30

 

"Section 38 : The house – master , the owner or the possessor of the residence , or the hotel manager

where the alien , receiving permission to stay temporary in the Kingdom has stayed , must notify the

competent official of the Immigration Office located in the same area with that hours , dwelling place or

hotel, within 24 hours from the time of arrival of the alien concerned. If there is no Immigration Office

located in that area , the local police official for that area must be notified.

In case the house , dwelling place , or hotel where the alien has stayed under provision of Para.1

is located within the Bangkok area , such notification must be reported to the competent official at the

Immigration Division"

 

In reference to TM 28 

 

"Section 37 : An alien having received a temporary entry permit into the Kingdom must comply with the

following :

.

2. Shall stay at the place as indicated to the competent official. Where there is proper reason

that he cannot stay at the place as indicated to the competent official, he shall notify the competent official

of the change in residence , within 24 hours from the time of removing to said place.

 

3. Shall notify the police official of the local police station where such alien resides, within twenty

– four hours from the time of arrival. In the case of change in residence in which new residence is not

located the same area with the former police stations , such alien must notify the police official of the

police station for that area within twenty – four hours from the time of arrival.

 

4. If the alien travels to any province and will stay there longer than twenty – four hours , such

alien must notify the police official of the police station for that area within forty – eight hours from the time

of arrival."

 

looks like its best to fill in both

[isawasnake]

The only thing I have to worry about out in the sticks are the monks coming around asking for rice or money "for the temple". The last head monk, who seems to have been admonished, had a car and all sorts of goodies. 

 

The lists of reasons these people want money is every growing and gets more ridiculous every day. 

[sandrew33]

Some tremendous information in this thread ... about some of the stupidest laws I've ever seen .... And I'm a lawyer :)

[mataleo]

If i stay with gf? Sometimes her condo sometimes mum house do i need to ?

[AYJAYDEE]

If i stay with gf? Sometimes her condo sometimes mum house do i need to ?

form tm 30 for them and form tm28 for you

[mataleo]

If i stay with gf? Sometimes her condo sometimes mum house do i need to ?

form tm 30 for them and form tm28 for you

im still on TR visa. Is it apply to me?

And then i guess Got to do on ED visa..

Is it any fees for it?

Why do we have to do it if u report ur adress every 90 days. And then when u apply for visa u put ur adress there...