Ducati Panigale 899

[mania]

I always figured the majority of heat issues were from

back when the pipes swept up under the seat.

Now with the low exit I would have thought the heat would be

about the same as other similar sized bikes. Have read some here originally

thought the new 650 Honda was also hot at first but got accustomed to it

[RubberSideDown]

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Nope- it's a big issue among owners- I've read all the Ducati boards and magazine and Internet reviews- they all mention the heat. Ducati started offering new heat shielding from 2013, but it didn't really help much according to many owners. Even the short Cycle World comparison makes mention of it.

When a newb mentions the heat on Ducati1199.com, for example, they make a joke out of it and say 'What heat?' It's something you have to live with on the 1199 at least- I don't know as much about the 899.

If I lived where I could generally avoid traffic, the heat wouldn't worry me, but in a big city, it could be rough going. Then again, maybe it's not as bad as I think.

[ll2]

If one does not like heat, run away from any ducati model.

Cbr650f is the coldest engine i have ever encountered for a bike in its size especially after break in. Much more cooler than my cbr600rr before and nearly cbr250 and 500 levels of heat.

Ducati 899 is a bike made for fast riding and track and sure not for city riding. It is not designed for slow rides.

Jonny great bike man. I m sure if it is me, i cant sleep tonight and has been sleepless for a week already!

I dont think heat issue will be annoying for spirited weekend rides.

[mania]

Nope- it's a big issue among owners- I've read all the Ducati boards and magazine and Internet reviews- they all mention the heat. Ducati started offering new heat shielding from 2013, but it didn't really help much according to many owners. Even the short Cycle World comparison makes mention of it.

Yes I saw that in the review.

Well good we will hear from Jonny what he thinks as Bangkok is a real test for any bike

I remember reading a good many posts by a guy on Adventure Forum who rode a 1199 Panigale

across the USA right after he bought it. I do remember him mentioning the heat at times

Cbr650f is the coldest engine i have ever encountered for a bike in its size especially after break in.

Wow glad to hear of the big change after break-in

I remember your initial review of the bike

Only gripe about the engine, it gets hot fast -

of course normal still it does not heat the seat and where you place your legs in tank magically.

But chassis, front plastics, swingarm, pipe all lava hot.

[powdermonkey]

Some of the pictures of burns (blistering etc) are actually quite serious. From what I could find there isn't much you can actually do to reduce the heat output, just start wearing clothes that are heat resistant.

Hoping the guys who have bought don't find it as bad or can find a solution to the heat source.

[Felixthecat]

Nice bike though i have a couple of m8's who had Ducati's in the past, they say its very difficult to get parts in Oz & takes for ages for them to arrive from Italy....i hate to think how long it would take to LOS

[Nickymaster]

Nice bike though i have a couple of m8's who had Ducati's in the past, they say its very difficult to get parts in Oz & takes for ages for them to arrive from Italy....i hate to think how long it would take to LOS

There are more Ducatis being sold in Thailand (a year) than in Australia at the moment. Most are sold in Bangkok by a few dealers. They are well equipped with parts, and if not available they do a good job ordering them within a short period of time. I am always amazed how much Ducati Tong Lo has in stock.

[Nickymaster]

Yeah these bike are not made for slow moving stop n go traffic. Once you keep going, you won't notice much of the heat. It's a compact bike with a lot of power. If you sit on one of those Superbikes you are basically hugging it. The heat has to go somewhere.

I had some heat issues with my Monster but with the Multistrada it's perfect. No problem. It's a very "open" bike.

[Hili]

Nice bike though i have a couple of m8's who had Ducati's in the past, they say its very difficult to get parts in Oz & takes for ages for them to arrive from Italy....i hate to think how long it would take to LOS

Since they fabricates the bikes here that situation should be different (at least for the models assembled here)....

[dave_boo]

I wonder how many of the issues can be directly related to the price/prestige of the machine? Kinda like how BMW and Mercedes always score lower than say Ford on those ratings simply because the owners of cars that are nicer have their expectations set higher?

[mania]

I wonder how many of the issues can be directly related to the price/prestige of the machine? Kinda like how BMW and Mercedes always score lower than say Ford on those ratings simply because the owners of cars that are nicer have their expectations set higher?

That is an interesting thought dave

I am looking forward to Jonnys review.

Having read his posts for years I feel we will get a unbiased/credible report

I will say again having looked at this up close it is about the most beautiful thing I have seen

on two wheels here in Thailand. Really tugs the right strings between form & function

Beautiful example

[ll2]

Nope- it's a big issue among owners- I've read all the Ducati boards and magazine and Internet reviews- they all mention the heat. Ducati started offering new heat shielding from 2013, but it didn't really help much according to many owners. Even the short Cycle World comparison makes mention of it.

Yes I saw that in the review.

Well good we will hear from Jonny what he thinks as Bangkok is a real test for any bike

I remember reading a good many posts by a guy on Adventure Forum who rode a 1199 Panigale

across the USA right after he bought it. I do remember him mentioning the heat at times

Cbr650f is the coldest engine i have ever encountered for a bike in its size especially after break in.

Wow glad to hear of the big change after break-in

I remember your initial review of the bike

Only gripe about the engine, it gets hot fast -

of course normal still it does not heat the seat and where you place your legs in tank magically.

But chassis, front plastics, swingarm, pipe all lava hot.

at the end, it is changed. right after getting the bike it was feeling hot especially during first thousand kms but not anymore.

glad you follow my posts mania! feeling good!

[mania]

at the end, it is changed. right after getting the bike it was feeling hot especially during first thousand kms but not anymore.

glad you follow my posts mania! feeling good!

Glad to hear that it changed

Nah I dont follow posts but have a good memory so I remember that "Hot as Lava" phrase & just

put it in the search

I also remember another guy (not you) claiming he could no longer ride in shorts on his new 650

Which is probably a good thing....Best to dress with a bit more coverage

[ll2]

I wonder how many of the issues can be directly related to the price/prestige of the machine? Kinda like how BMW and Mercedes always score lower than say Ford on those ratings simply because the owners of cars that are nicer have their expectations set higher?

That is an interesting thought dave

I am looking forward to Jonnys review.

Having read his posts for years I feel we will get a unbiased/credible report

I will say again having looked at this up close it is about the most beautiful thing I have seen

on two wheels here in Thailand. Really tugs the right strings between form & function

Beautiful example

can you define that Mania? you feel?

who can write a honest review and who is a wannabe never sat on a real sport bike? so you can feel that huh?

c'mon man!

[ll2]

at the end, it is changed. right after getting the bike it was feeling hot especially during first thousand kms but not anymore.

glad you follow my posts mania! feeling good!

Glad to hear that it changed

Nah I dont follow posts but have a good memory so I remember that "Hot as Lava" phrase & just

put it in the search

I also remember another guy (not you) claiming he could no longer ride in shorts on his new 650

Which is probably a good thing....Best to dress with a bit more coverage

yeah it cannot?

yeah, sure we dont ride with short on a sportbike especially a 'real sportbike' in your terms, right?

[mania]

can you define that Mania? you feel?

who can write a honest review and who is a wannabe never sat on a real sport bike? so you can feel that huh?

c'mon man!

LL what is going on with you lately?

Your posts sound like you drink in the day & do drugs at night

In the day your a angry poster & at night your a Peace bro poster,,,,

If that is the case please do drugs all day instead

Respect is earned by what has come before

With Jonny's posts it has always been clear

He does not waffle or worship brand. He sticks to the facts

Lets not clutter up/ derail Jonny's Ducati thread eh?

[taninthai]

I always figured the majority of heat issues were from

back when the pipes swept up under the seat.

Now with the low exit I would have thought the heat would be

about the same as other similar sized bikes. Have read some here originally

thought the new 650 Honda was also hot at first but got accustomed to it

this is what I thought with my Daytona mania justsohot becauseunderseat pipe but from talking with other owners the pipe position is not a problem it's the frame that heats up its a completely different feelling from just having the fan blowing heat onto you or feeling heat from the engine casing.

[RubberSideDown]

Speculation is that the heat is due to the positioning of one of the cylinders, which raises the temp of the frame.

I would doubt that the reports have anything to do with the brand- there aren't many people with a Panigale as their first motorcyçle (though no doubt there are some), and most are making comparisons to other bikes they've owned.

Again, some owners say it's no big deal- we'll have some first-hand reports soon enough.

[ll2]

can you define that Mania? you feel?

who can write a honest review and who is a wannabe never sat on a real sport bike? so you can feel that huh?

c'mon man!

LL what is going on with you lately?

Your posts sound like you drink in the day & do drugs at night

In the day your a angry poster & at night your a Peace bro poster,,,,

If that is the case please do drugs all day instead

Respect is earned by what has come before

With Jonny's posts it has always been clear

He does not waffle or worship brand. He sticks to the facts

Lets not clutter up/ derail Jonny's Ducati thread eh?

speaking of derailing a thread, thanks for being sensitive on it but what about the thread that i opened abut ktm test rides and you and another ranter derailed mania? with the help of a couple of intuitive squids? so tell me who is wallowing and waffling?

and not only derailing and also trying to discredit me with strong words. what is the reason for that?

and still i believe you are the one waffling around and not sticking to the facts by trying to discredit me just bc some do things and kind enough to post reviews and photos about it and you just talk?

what i see here is, you get hard feelings over people here at times and assume things about them due to a mysterious reasons and hope you stop that.

brand loyalist my ass, if i am that brand loyalist, you will never see me test riding all ktm and mv agusta models 150 km away from my house which i needed to leave like 06:00 in the morning on sunday morning, or you never hear me posting things aboiut a benelli model honestly.

and again kissing as...ss of someone else. are you always like that man? wow

and speaking of drugs, just mind your tongue man. although you are joking, i believe not appropriate even as a joke.

no more peace bro until you stop your nonsense and apologize mania. that was yesterday.

anyway, other TV bikes in Thailand forum users, i will not be posting such lengthy topics explaining bikes, test rides or any information. this is what i am thinking now just bc people like mania! you can thank him.

and maybe mania pulls his a..ss from his freshly laid eggs and go do test rides - if he got invited of course - and posts here with photos next time.

[ll2]

I wonder how many of the issues can be directly related to the price/prestige of the machine? Kinda like how BMW and Mercedes always score lower than say Ford on those ratings simply because the owners of cars that are nicer have their expectations set higher?

well dave, as..s burning and leg blistering heat i am sure not related with any expectation level! it burns or it does not.

[mania]

this is what I thought with my Daytona mania justsohot becauseunderseat pipe but from talking with other owners the pipe position is not a problem it's the frame that heats up its a completely different feelling from just having the fan blowing heat onto you or feeling heat from the engine casing.

Speculation is that the heat is due to the positioning of one of the cylinders, which raises the temp of the frame.

I would doubt that the reports have anything to do with the brand- there aren't many people with a Panigale as their first motorcyçle (though no doubt there are some), and most are making comparisons to other bikes they've owned.

Again, some owners say it's no big deal- we'll have some first-hand reports soon enough.

Makes sense & that as I remember V twins always run hotter in the rear cylinder understandably.

Also the using the engine as a stressed frame member?

Anyway I guess we will hear soon enough

[wantan]

Or using the frame as part of the cooling system? But i guess if this bike is a "real sportsbike" it doesnt matter at all. Its build for going fast while the rider is dressed in thick leather, not for city commuting in Bangkok dressed in shorts.

I am not a sportsbike fan but this bike looks so nice, even i would like to own one. Its a design classic. Guess i would park it in my living room

[andreandre]

can you define that Mania? you feel?

who can write a honest review and who is a wannabe never sat on a real sport bike? so you can feel that huh?

c'mon man!

LL what is going on with you lately?

Your posts sound like you drink in the day & do drugs at night

In the day your a angry poster & at night your a Peace bro poster,,,,

If that is the case please do drugs all day instead

Respect is earned by what has come before

With Jonny's posts it has always been clear

He does not waffle or worship brand. He sticks to the facts

Lets not clutter up/ derail Jonny's Ducati thread eh?

speaking of derailing a thread, thanks for being sensitive on it but what about the thread that i opened abut ktm test rides and you and another ranter derailed mania? with the help of a couple of intuitive squids? so tell me who is wallowing and waffling?

and not only derailing and also trying to discredit me with strong words. what is the reason for that?

and still i believe you are the one waffling around and not sticking to the facts by trying to discredit me just bc some do things and kind enough to post reviews and photos about it and you just talk?

what i see here is, you get hard feelings over people here at times and assume things about them due to a mysterious reasons and hope you stop that.

brand loyalist my ass, if i am that brand loyalist, you will never see me test riding all ktm and mv agusta models 150 km away from my house which i needed to leave like 06:00 in the morning on sunday morning, or you never hear me posting things aboiut a benelli model honestly.

and again kissing as...ss of someone else. are you always like that man? wow

and speaking of drugs, just mind your tongue man. although you are joking, i believe not appropriate even as a joke.

no more peace bro until you stop your nonsense and apologize mania. that was yesterday.

anyway, other TV bikes in Thailand forum users, i will not be posting such lengthy topics explaining bikes, test rides or any information. this is what i am thinking now just bc people like mania! you can thank him.

and maybe mania pulls his a..ss from his freshly laid eggs and go do test rides - if he got invited of course - and posts here with photos next time.

You have really lost the plot man..[as polite as i can say this to you..]

[Nickymaster]

This is a freakin bike forum. If you want to argue please do it in private or go to the politics section. Chill out! I visit this place to relax and enjoy myself. To talk about nice things, bikes for instance.

Mods please be a bit tougher and delete all those personal arguments in the bike forum. There are enough people around who want to make it decent place to get good info. It always gets spoiled because a few keep attacking and criticizing others. This bike forum could be so much better taking into account how many subscribers TV has.

[macknife]

Damn I'm so jealous, This bike has to be the most beautiful bike on the planet.

[Gweiloman]

I had the pleasure of riding the 899 around Silvertsone Stowe circuit for two days (at a cost of Gbp 250 per day). I was amazed at how light and small the bike felt. I'm not a big guy at 90 kgs and 181 cm but the bike is so responsive and quick to steer, through the chicanes and drops easily into the corners.

It's a great second bike for sure, for those weekend blasts through the countryside. City riding wise, nothing beats the smoothness of the inline 4's though.

However, I did not get as excited about the bike as I was about swooping round the corners. My age must be showing.....

[Nickymaster]

If you still want to get a Termi Slip On with a value of around 90,000 THB (I reckon) for free when ordering this beautiful bike, you only have a few days left. Hurry up!

According to Ducati this special offer ends Sep 30.

http://www.ducatithailand.com/company/special_offers.do

Price of the Termis without import duties.

http://store.proitalia.com/termignoni-ducati-899-panigale-titanium-slip-on-exhaust

[JonnyF]

OK just got back, did a quick blast of 120 kms to get a feel for the bike.

Started it up and got a shock, this is a loud bike with the Termi's (without the db killer which they gave to me in a bag). Did the first 12 kms in wet mode. And wet is a good description, its really weak especially having to stay below 7k rpm (which is killing me!). Switched to sports mode when I hit some lights which livened it up but really the bike is just coming on at 7k which is where I am supposed to stay (I did go a bit above that but not much). It's pretty tourqey though and overtaking is quick and painless between 5k-7ish k rpm. It really starts to roar at 6k.

The bike is pretty comfy for a supersport but it's not for big or tall guys. Fits me like a glove and it's light. Sporty lean angle but not extreme. About the same as my gsxr but my gsxr has helibars as it was too extreme in stock form. This one is fine stock.

The underslung exhaust plus the slim body make it easy for splitting lanes. Clutch is not light but not heavy either and the quickshifter means you don't have to use it anyway! It's a little bit jerky under 3k rpm but there's really no need to be riding under 3k rpm in my opinion. First gear is really useable and doesn't scream like my gsxr, much more usable around town - I normally stick to second on the Suzuki. I was up and down through the gears and short shifting and I have to say the gearbox on this bike is the best I've ridden, silky smooth from the first click out of the showroom. Even changing down from 2nd to 1st at a bit of speed was smooth, on the Suzuki you get more of a clunk unless you're at jogging speed or below. Easy to hit neutral both down from second and up from first - impossible to miss but I never hit it by mistake - that gearbox is unbelievable.

Brakes - felt spongey the first 30 kms and then I did a couple emergency(ish) stops when I got near MinBuri and felt much better. Felt like the rear wheel was about to lift but very progressive and easy to manage.

I rode some of the journey without gloves (tut tut) as it was a new bike and I wanted maximum feel and without gloves I got a slight tingle in the right index finger where I was covering the front brake. Not sure if I'd get this with gloves but it was where my finger was resting on the lever so I assume the lever has a slight vibration.

Bike corners like it's on rails. You lean it in and it just stays there, couple of times of the road to Chachongsao (sp) I had to change lines to overtake mid turn and that was no issue as well. It handles great. Very satisfying roar when you accelerate out of the turn.

The dash is pretty cool, easy to change modes, loads of info on kpl etc - but I need to adjust the engine breaking as I found it to be too strong, it 'really' brakes when you let off, enough to shift me forward in the seat and put weight on my arms. I can adjust that within the modes. Not sure I like the digital rpm, kind of prefer the round dial on the gsxr but I might get used to it. At least it's not orange and red like the ZX10!

Now for the 'burning issue', the 'hot topic' - heat. I wore a normal pair of jeans to collect the bike (fairly stylish 501's if I do say so myself). The plan being to ride home and change and then go for a blast. That never happened (changing jeans) as it took a bit longer to do the paperwork and I have a 3:20 flight to Phuket. After about 5 minutes I noticed a kind of warm air on the underside of my right leg. The bike was about running about 90 degrees. I thought 'no worries' but lets so how bad it gets. I stopped at the lights and it totally disappeared. I mean, it felt like my Ninja 250. Nothing, Then I started moving again and felt it again. You feel it at about 40-50 kmh, but I wouldn't describe it as heat. It more like 'a bit of warm air'. It's not painful, it's not even uncomfortable, it's just 'there'. Not sure if it's the open Termi's keeping the heat down, the Termi ECU flash or what? But it's a total non issue. I'd say it's cooler than my gsxr at a total standstill, but you get warmish air at low speed. Once I hit 80-90 it disappeared. So a non issue as far as I am concerned. The tank stays cooler than my Suzuki and the seat is about the same. As the bike is smaller there's also a gap between the tank and my nuts which prevents my boys getting fried, which was way worse than the warm stream onto the back of my leg. Make of that what you will, that's my honest opinion on it.

If I think if anything else I'll post later. Gotta pack. I'll try and upload a couple of pics as well.

Sorry I can't comment too much on the power. It's got significantly more than the gsxr at the same rpm but these bikes come alive at 7k rpm and that's my limit for now. I'm riding reasonably hard below that - but it's just not the same!

[wantan]

Congrats, enjoy it!

But as soon as there is time: More pictures please. This bike is something to look at

[JonnyF]