Greetings, the often prickly relationship between western men, western women and thai women is a topic that comes up quite often in Thai expats forums.

As you would know such discussions can unfortunately become quite catty with a lot of attacking and defending on both sides.

A friend emailed a link to this article to me this morning, and I think some of you folks might find it quite interesting:

http://sexualobjectification.blogspot.com.au/2014/09/feminists-versus-yellow-fever.html.

I don't think it disrespects men or women as a group, although it is critical of aspects of the feminist perspective.

Personally, I think the topic is a significant one, and one which should be discussed ... with cool heads ... particularly for those of us married to Thais and who might occasionally experience evidence of bias on the part of others around us.

Say what? the point being? I happen to love women in general Though I'm more incline to date Asian women over western women. But that is due to the lip factor Asian women to give less backtalk while western women can't stop beating there gums.

Gosh those feminists are bitter.

I think, when they're exposed to it, most Asian girls enjoy the greater drama and excitement of rugby, particularly rugby league.

Say what? the point being? I happen to love women in general Though I'm more incline to date Asian women over western women. But that is due to the lip factor Asian women to give less backtalk while western women can't stop beating there gums.

Which is a polite way of saying you prefer subservient women.

Speaking as a western woman with a lot of western women friends the general view is that none of us give a sh!t what you guys do & majority of the vitriol comes from western men rather the other way round. This is usually due to their view of being "wronged" by western women, somehow, as a whole rather than having the capacity to see that whatever past relationship that created their dislike was an individual issue & one their were a major part of.

Once those kinds of men let go of their issues then their imagined slights by western women will go away.

From my perspective I mostly feel a bit sorry for a lot of the thai women I see with western men, they are expected to just put up & shut up cause he has a few baht in his pocket but that being her choice I support it. We all have to do what we can to survive. But I do so wish a certain type of western man would stop whining about western women. It shows a degree of mental weakness that they are unable to let go & move on from whatever their issues may be not to mention offensive to the thai women they so claim to be enamored with.

My only question is - why do you slag us Western women off? All the time, You must have loved at least one of us once - even before you knew where Thailand was on a map.

All the time, we are fat and stupid and took all your money etc etc.

Don't put us all in the same basket.

It's just another manifestation of the Bwana Syndrome but it's directed towards women rather than foreigners.

Speaking as a western woman with a lot of western women friends the general view is that none of us give a sh!t what you guys do & majority of the vitriol comes from western men rather the other way round. This is usually due to their view of being "wronged" by western women, somehow, as a whole rather than having the capacity to see that whatever past relationship that created their dislike was an individual issue & one their were a major part of.

Once those kinds of men let go of their issues then their imagined slights by western women will go away.

From my perspective I mostly feel a bit sorry for a lot of the thai women I see with western men, they are expected to just put up & shut up cause he has a few baht in his pocket but that being her choice I support it. We all have to do what we can to survive. But I do so wish a certain type of western man would stop whining about western women. It shows a degree of mental weakness that they are unable to let go & move on from whatever their issues may be not to mention offensive to the thai women they so claim to be enamored with.

I gave you a like because I think I get what you're saying, but reading again, I take exception to some of what you say.

"He has a few baht...we all have to do what we can to survive..."

For sure, there are Farang-Thai relationships that would never have occurred if he didn't have the cash, but I hope you don't think there are no love-based relationships too? You know, not all Western men are fat, ugly, chauvinists. Not all Thai wives are in it for the cash.

Lets face it, there are Thai women in it only for the money, as there are Western women who are gold-diggers too. But generally speaking, a Thai gold digger knows what her man wants and she pays the price, whereas the Western woman wants her cake and eat it too. She doesn't give a hoot what the man wants.

Generally speaking.

I said alot not all. But don't let that stop your own prejudices shine through.

Say what? the point being? I happen to love women in general Though I'm more incline to date Asian women over western women. But that is due to the lip factor Asian women to give less backtalk while western women can't stop beating there gums.

lucky you! my wife says i'm not allowed to date Asian, Western or any women

I said alot not all. But don't let that stop your own prejudices shine through.

Excuse me? What prejudices would those be?

You sound like one of those bitter feminists that assume all men are bastards, no matter what. Maleness is to be mistrusted and despised. That is prejudice.

I didn't think you were, but you do sound like it when you say things like that.

You know, not all Western men are fat, ugly, chauvinists. Not all Thai wives are in it for the cash

whereas the Western woman wants her cake and eat it too. She doesn't give a hoot what the man wants.

I seemed to have touched a nerve there didn't I? I was referring to these comments above when I said "your prejudice".

I have never mentioned what western men might look like or that anyone was a gold digger. But how interesting that you go straight to them women not giving the man what he wants! Very telling. As is this;

You sound like one of those bitter feminists that assume all men are bastards, no matter what. Maleness is to be mistrusted and despised. That is prejudice.

Does it make you feel better to spout your tired old bile & hate? Does your brain automatically leap to me being a bitter feminist due to having a view on a subject that may not meet your approval?

My comments were based on a lot of posts on here from men who think that having more money than their thai partner means the thai family should act a certain way to please them or the wife should do as told. This is a common theme on Thaivisa & as been for the 12 years I have been on it.

You can look for whatever you "think" is in my posts but I'm not the one rolling out nasty comments about western men. I suggest you move on from what ever bitterness you have inside you & learn to be happy with your life. If you are unable to accept the opinion of a women then put me on ignore. it really is that simple.

It's plain that you do have bitterness when you read "bile and hate" into anything I say. I have no bitterness, not one iota, and I have, at the very least, fondness for most people.

I will stand corrected though; I didn't make it clear that I was generalising....for sure some Western women would give a hoot about what the man wants.

It's the almost hatred that you men have against us Western women that i don't understand.

OK, you have had bad relationships in the past. But don't put us all in the same basket.

I can be fun and have a dance - once you get my 200 kilogram arse out of my reinforced wheelchair.

I do a mean moonwalk... total eclipse in fact once my huge tits blot out all lighting.

But, all laughing besides, i know who i am and i am happy in my humoungous life. And i actually have men friends who do not like asian women.

It's the vitriol towards me and others who unfortunatly were born with blue eyes and blond, brown or auburn hair,

By the way, i am 51 years old and i weigh the same as i did when i was 18 - 50 kilos.

It's plain that you do have bitterness when you read "bile and hate" into anything I say. I have no bitterness, not one iota, and I have, at the very least, fondness for most people.

I will stand corrected though; I didn't make it clear that I was generalising....for sure some Western women would give a hoot about what the man wants.

I don't need to "read" anything into what you write, you wrote it. You like to hide it under some "general" comment but your reaction to my perfectly reasonable post confirms your issues. get over it. You will be much happier.

I have no bitterness to you or any other western men, I don't give any of you enough thought to be bitter, I work with men & women, of all nationalities & races. I don't put people into little boxes & focus on some issue I may have had with one person in the past from any of those groups.

I also don't view my past relationships with any race of men as the sum of them all either, sadly the same cannot be said for a lot of men particularly ones who post on this forum. but then sitting behind a keyboard makes many much braver than they would be face to face.

Never would i in my wee life live with a humoungous bottie like that Kardashian thing. It just doesn't seem to be normal.

After staying in south easy Asia for 16 years I returned to the west and was quite frankly in shock by the male female role reversal. The men have become Chatty Cathies and the woman are now the dominant species. In fact the day of the days of the strongest being dominant is long gone. I experienced this while enjoying a cigar and cocktail on bourbon street in New Orleans. I am 197 cm in height and well over 130 kg yet this did stop a 45kg woman from throwing a beer in my lap because she did not approve of my smoking?! Her husband just sat back and said nothing until I poured my drink on his wife. The bar staff bounced them both but I had to wonder, how did the weak become so strong. When was the western male castrated? My 4 older sisters tell me they love my Thai wife, she just needs them to fix her? <deleted> no thanks. It is good to be a man in Asia!

Never would i in my wee life live with a humoungous bottie like that Kardashian thing. It just doesn't seem to be normal.

what exactly does a 'humoungous bottie' look like Patsy?

 

Never would i in my wee life live with a humoungous bottie like that Kardashian thing. It just doesn't seem to be normal.

what exactly does a 'humoungous bottie' look like Patsy?

 

This thread benefits from no pictures...

Huge ass aka 'humoungous bottie' aka gargantuan glutamis maximus

We are the ones that got away..

Femimists hate our guts even more than those dupes who stayed behind.

Good riddance.

What's a femimist?

I have never been a femiNist. But i do stand proud to be a woman and to have my say in any argument.

What i don't like, is men putting me down on many Fora, not just this one. Just because i was born in the West.

I read here about all you sad souls being ripped off by your beautiful Thai wives and think to myself - what planet are these men on, how can they have been so stupid?

And you know what, i laugh. Because, I for one, would never do that to you. I may be becoming an extinct version of Western womanhood. But i respect people and would never rip anyone off. Whereas, i have been ripped off for thousands by ex boyfriends over the years. At the last count I am owed about 5,000 British quid by those so called men who took advantage of my generosity.

But it won't put me off them. That was just two - not the whole universe of Westerners.

And, of course, living in the bestest country in the World - it wasn't Swiss guys that ripped me off. It was Brits.

I remember, a few years ago, you male specimens used to call us beauties Feminazis on here. Thank god that word isn't used anymore!!!

Sorry Pats, the word is still used specifically for those bullish woman that despise all men and try to activate the whole of the female world to also despise men. They're the ones that write "fem" as they can't bring themselves to write "female" because there is the M A L E combination of letters in the word. Similarly they call themselves "womyn" because they don't want to be associated with a combination of letters that spells "men". They are often quite silly.

The woman that wrote the article is a feminazi. She's a bitter misandrist.

And? She is one women, who is allowed to be or think or say what she wants. She doesn't speak for all, she is expressing an individual view. It can't be that hard to grasp. Yet for some, her one individual view is considered the view of all women. It isn't.

You seem determined to read whats not there in my posts.

I agree, she is one woman, entitled to speak her thoughts, and that she doesn't speak for all.

No need for the disparaging "it can't be hard to grasp", especially when I have not demonstrated the lack of grasping anything!

I love Western women.... but then I'm gay.

Boo and Patsy have stood up for women. Well, bless them..... doormats are boring.

I've worked with a lot of Asian women. One of the nicest I ever knew was an Indian woman, traditionally built, who would help anybody. I'm proud to have known her. My first secretary was a Sinhalese/ Indian mix... and you were great, Lily. My successor in a job in Hong Kong came from Scotland; she sat in on one of my lessons, and interrupted from the back of the room..... Louise, there's been nobody like you.

In Thailand, I worked with a department full of Thai women. They were just people.... some nice, some nasty, some attempting to dominate, some accepting my greater knowledge. I won't single any out.

Now I live in a village. Give me the women; you can have the men.

What I'm really trying to say is that people are people. Stop trying to think of them as male chauvinists, women gold-diggers, or whatever.

Lol, "but then I'm gay". I'm not sure if you're saying that being gay excuses you for loving Western women (and thus implying that an excuse is needed) or that as a gay man you're not subject to what some Western men have experienced from some Western women. Either way, there could be something freudian there that empathises with some Western men's view.

(Please note the "some" before taking offense, Boo).

Yes, doormats are boring. The "womyn" of the article is certainly not a doormat either, but that does not mitigate her particular unattractiveness to me, a Western man.

I am a man. I am the least chauvanist man I know. I cook every day, I wash the clothes often, I almost always am the one that does the dishes. I make love with respect, passion, gentleness and strength, I solicit opinions from my wife and treat her as an equal, not consciously, but she is so I do......but why should I be ashamed of my alpha maleness? Why should I not dislike bullish man-hating Western women or even non-bullish ones? Why should I be ashamed to actually like it when my Asian wife gives me a massage or defers to me because of her cultural upbringing?

Why can a woman say "hear me roar" but a man can't without being called a chauvanist or a misogynist or a braindead neanderthal?

We are the ones that got away..

Femimists hate our guts even more than those dupes who stayed behind.

Good riddance.

What's a femimist?

Yo Pats! Stick it to 'em!

Lol, "but then I'm gay". I'm not sure if you're saying that being gay excuses you for loving Western women (and thus implying that an excuse is needed) or that as a gay man you're not subject to what some Western men have experienced from some Western women. Either way, there could be something freudian there that empathises with some Western men's view.

(Please note the "some" before taking offense, Boo).

Yes, doormats are boring. The "womyn" of the article is certainly not a doormat either, but that does not mitigate her particular unattractiveness to me, a Western man.

I am a man. I am the least chauvanist man I know. I cook every day, I wash the clothes often, I almost always am the one that does the dishes. I make love with respect, passion, gentleness and strength, I solicit opinions from my wife and treat her as an equal, not consciously, but she is so I do......but why should I be ashamed of my alpha maleness? Why should I not dislike bullish man-hating Western women or even non-bullish ones? Why should I be ashamed to actually like it when my Asian wife gives me a massage or defers to me because of her cultural upbringing?

Why can a woman say "hear me roar" but a man can't without being called a chauvanist or a misogynist or a braindead neanderthal?

"I am the least chauvanist man I know" "but why should I be ashamed of my alpha maleness?"