Scottish independence: Yes camp hails 'momentum'

[Duggsie]

I want Scotland to stay but, after due deliberation, I hope they go.

Because to stay would give the smug threeseome (Cameron, Osborne and Johnson - all members of the Bullinger Club, i.e. "Born to Rule" - neverending grins that would put the Cheshire Cat to shame and confirm which they already suspect inthat, apart from their business cohorts, we - including the Scots - are a simple folk worthy of little more than milking until we can be shipped off to the knacker's yard).

Just my opinion.

There is NO good outcome forthcoming from this Scottish referendum.

I'm damned if they leave (because I don't want them to) but I'm damned if they stay (because it reinforces aforementioned trio's positions).

Sad state of affair's for me, all in all.

So your position is based on spite?

No.

My opinion is not opinion, it is observation.

To stay will confirm that it's OK for said trio et al to dismantle our healthservice, plunge the already poor into further poverty, prop up their own and their friends' business interests, turn the streets into a wasteland of shops offering nothing more than gambling, Poundworlds, charity shops and foodbanks...I could go on and on (but you get the idea, I'm sure).

No time for spite, too busy dealing with reality and watching the destruction of my once proud land to the detriment of its working populace on the mill of its Eton-schooled, never had a real job in their lives, current masters.

Your point is?

[Duggsie]

I want Scotland to stay but, after due deliberation, I hope they go.

Because to stay would give the smug threeseome (Cameron, Osborne and Johnson - all members of the Bullinger Club, i.e. "Born to Rule" - neverending grins that would put the Cheshire Cat to shame and confirm which they already suspect inthat, apart from their business cohorts, we - including the Scots - are a simple folk worthy of little more than milking until we can be shipped off to the knacker's yard).

Just my opinion.

There is NO good outcome forthcoming from this Scottish referendum.

I'm damned if they leave (because I don't want them to) but I'm damned if they stay (because it reinforces aforementioned trio's positions).

Sad state of affair's for me, all in all.

Yup.

Thanks.

Your support and appreciation is gratifying but you just posted pics of Cameron, Milliband and Clegg - not Cameron, Osborne and Johnson.

The spirit is the same, though and I could equally have named those other two privately schooled, never-had-a-real-job-in-their-lives "professional politicians" in my earlier rant.

So, no harm done.

[MJP]

I want Scotland to stay but, after due deliberation, I hope they go.

Because to stay would give the smug threeseome (Cameron, Osborne and Johnson - all members of the Bullinger Club, i.e. "Born to Rule" - neverending grins that would put the Cheshire Cat to shame and confirm which they already suspect inthat, apart from their business cohorts, we - including the Scots - are a simple folk worthy of little more than milking until we can be shipped off to the knacker's yard).

Just my opinion.

There is NO good outcome forthcoming from this Scottish referendum.

I'm damned if they leave (because I don't want them to) but I'm damned if they stay (because it reinforces aforementioned trio's positions).

Sad state of affair's for me, all in all.

Yup.

Thanks.

Your support and appreciation is gratifying but you just posted pics of Cameron, Milliband and Clegg - not Cameron, Osborne and Johnson.

The spirit is the same, though and I could equally have named those other two privately schooled, never-had-a-real-job-in-their-lives "professional politicians" in my earlier rant.

So, no harm done.

All same same.

Good rant by the way and agree entirely.

[NanLaew]

Salmond has been accused of not having answers to the 'main issues' of currency and EU membership.

Looking at the random mumblings of Darling, Carney and most recently Juncker, the book hasn't been written yet so I guess we will have to wait a bit longer (after the yes vote) for the movie.

[wilcopops]

With a joint document from Westminster the UK parties are pledging greater autonomy for Scotland - in particular greater financial control over such things as health and reviewing the Barnett formula.

It seems the Westminster boys are really in a panic...issuing all sorts of promises about future Scottish autonomy within the Union.

The thing is if they really held these views, WHY didn't hey they say so before, releasing this kind of stuff 3 days before the referendum can't be interpreted as anything but a serious underestimation by a government (and opposition) that really din't take the referendum - and therefore Scotland - seriously in there first place.

Som Nan Na!

[smokie36]

With a joint document from Westminster the UK parties are pledging greater autonomy for Scotland - in particular greater financial control over such things as health and reviewing the Barnett formula.

It seems the Westminster boys are really in a panic...issuing all sorts of promises about future Scottish autonomy within the Union.

The thing is if they really held these views, WHY didn't hey they say so before, releasing this kind of stuff 3 days before the referendum can't be interpreted as anything but a serious underestimation by a government (and opposition) that really din't take the referendum - and therefore Scotland - seriously in there first place.

Som Nan Na!

Its also breaking the referendum rules....many have already voted by post.

Nothing like this is supposed to happen in the month before polling. Its disgraceful and desperate.

[Neeranam]

With a joint document from Westminster the UK parties are pledging greater autonomy for Scotland - in particular greater financial control over such things as health and reviewing the Barnett formula.

It seems the Westminster boys are really in a panic...issuing all sorts of promises about future Scottish autonomy within the Union.

The thing is if they really held these views, WHY didn't hey they say so before, releasing this kind of stuff 3 days before the referendum can't be interpreted as anything but a serious underestimation by a government (and opposition) that really din't take the referendum - and therefore Scotland - seriously in there first place.

Som Nan Na!

Its also breaking the referendum rules....many have already voted by post.

Nothing like this is supposed to happen in the month before polling. Its disgraceful and desperate.

Edinburgh agreement and rules of purdah totally disregarded. Rules don't apply to the British state.

[smokie36]

With a joint document from Westminster the UK parties are pledging greater autonomy for Scotland - in particular greater financial control over such things as health and reviewing the Barnett formula.

It seems the Westminster boys are really in a panic...issuing all sorts of promises about future Scottish autonomy within the Union.

The thing is if they really held these views, WHY didn't hey they say so before, releasing this kind of stuff 3 days before the referendum can't be interpreted as anything but a serious underestimation by a government (and opposition) that really din't take the referendum - and therefore Scotland - seriously in there first place.

Som Nan Na!

Its also breaking the referendum rules....many have already voted by post.

Nothing like this is supposed to happen in the month before polling. Its disgraceful and desperate.

Edinburgh agreement and rules of purdah totally disregarded. Rules don't apply to the British state.

They are appealing to the Scottish Labour voters with this and trying to get them to waver.

Too late and too crass IMHO.

In any case it is utterly disgraceful.

[Neeranam]

The truth about how corrupt the UK government are.

[Neeranam]

Scotland's oil could run out in 100 years.

Westminster's oil could run out in 3 days.

[Neeranam]

[NanLaew]

So what it really boils down to is the oil?

The paltry, almost exhausted North Sea fields that Westminster would have us believe?

[Chicog]

What it really boils down to is whether or not Scots want to be British or not.

And it seems half do, half don't, or thereabouts.

I hope whatever happens that they stop the bitching the day the result comes in, rational debate stopped a long time ago, and the cyberneds have never stopped.

[Neeranam]

What it really boils down to is whether or not Scots want to be British or not.

And it seems half do, half don't, or thereabouts.

I hope whatever happens that they stop the bitching the day the result comes in, rational debate stopped a long time ago, and the cyberneds have never stopped.

No, it is the oil. It's not about what the Scots want - just look at what Westminster is doing now - Cameron rushing to Aberdeen yesterday etc.

Rather ironic, someone with over 10 posts a day talking about cyberneds.

[smokie36]

What it really boils down to is whether or not Scots want to be British or not.

And it seems half do, half don't, or thereabouts.

I hope whatever happens that they stop the bitching the day the result comes in, rational debate stopped a long time ago, and the cyberneds have never stopped.

As rational a debate as we have been allowed due to a lack of info regarding Europe etc has occurred.

Now we have the no camp with their "pledge".... Which is unprecedented and utterly disgusting as a breach of trust and total disregard for democracy and those who have already sent in their postal votes.

They show they have no respect for the voting process or indeed the voters.

The three stooges last stand.

[nontabury]

So what it really boils down to is the oil?

The paltry, almost exhausted North Sea fields that Westminster would have us believe?

Of course it's about oil, do you think there would be this push for separation without the discovery of North Sea oil. As for it being exhausted, it's not only Westminster that is saying this, also Scotsman Ian Wood( see post 1253 ) who should know more about this subject than the politicians and their puppets, be they in London or Edinburgh. Then include the figures for the loss of the Edinburgh financial sector as explained by another Scottish economist in an earlier post.

But please do go ahead with your "YES" vote hopefully to be followed by a big Edinburgh party, it will provide some comic relief for the English before they prepare for the influx of jobs from north of the boarder.

[Johnniey]

So what it really boils down to is the oil?

The paltry, almost exhausted North Sea fields that Westminster would have us believe?

Of course it's about oil, do you think there would be this push for separation without the discovery of North Sea oil. As for it being exhausted, it's not only Westminster that is saying this, also Scotsman Ian Wood( see post 1253 ) who should know more about this subject than the politicians and their puppets, be they in London or Edinburgh. Then include the figures for the loss of the Edinburgh financial sector as explained by another Scottish economist in an earlier post.

But please do go ahead with your "YES" vote hopefully to be followed by a big Edinburgh party, it will provide some comic relief for the English before they prepare for the influx of jobs from north of the boarder.

Here he goes talking out his arse again. What exactly is your motive for all the posts on this topic?

[Chopperboy]

Thing is I struggle to disagree with that. It's a mess in England. Unaffordable housing, even rents, food banks, pay day lenders, zero hour contracts, student debts which will never get repaid and they can't even go bankrupt to be free of them, the crazy deficits each year, the debt, the city . . . I could go on and on, but we all know.

Fair play to the Scots.

Its a deliberate transfer of wealth - deliberate policy to leverage out the middle class and leave behind an indebted impoverished underclass.

Same is happening in America with over 51% now on food stamps.

[nontabury]

So what it really boils down to is the oil?

The paltry, almost exhausted North Sea fields that Westminster would have us believe?

Of course it's about oil, do you think there would be this push for separation without the discovery of North Sea oil. As for it being exhausted, it's not only Westminster that is saying this, also Scotsman Ian Wood( see post 1253 ) who should know more about this subject than the politicians and their puppets, be they in London or Edinburgh. Then include the figures for the loss of the Edinburgh financial sector as explained by another Scottish economist in an earlier post.

But please do go ahead with your "YES" vote hopefully to be followed by a big Edinburgh party, it will provide some comic relief for the English before they prepare for the influx of jobs from north of the boarder.

Here he goes talking out his arse again. What exactly is your motive for all the posts on this topic?

Again insults but no constructive answers. As for my motive very simple, for 50yrs I've been an ardent supporter of the separation of Scotland from the rest of the UK. Hopefully this will be confirmed this week.

[Johnniey]

So what it really boils down to is the oil?

The paltry, almost exhausted North Sea fields that Westminster would have us believe?

Of course it's about oil, do you think there would be this push for separation without the discovery of North Sea oil. As for it being exhausted, it's not only Westminster that is saying this, also Scotsman Ian Wood( see post 1253 ) who should know more about this subject than the politicians and their puppets, be they in London or Edinburgh. Then include the figures for the loss of the Edinburgh financial sector as explained by another Scottish economist in an earlier post.

But please do go ahead with your "YES" vote hopefully to be followed by a big Edinburgh party, it will provide some comic relief for the English before they prepare for the influx of jobs from north of the boarder.

Here he goes talking out his arse again. What exactly is your motive for all the posts on this topic?

Again insults but no constructive answers. As for my motive very simple, for 50yrs I've been an ardent supporter of the separation of Scotland from the rest of the UK. Hopefully this will be confirmed this week.

So your motive is to tell Scots they are not wanted ?? You really are full of it.

[smokie36]

He's in the minority as 70% of those polled wanted Scotland to remain.

[mommysboy]

He's in the minority as 70% of those polled wanted Scotland to remain.

Indeed and I will declare my hand as an Englishman, who wants Scotland to remain. Like a lot of those polled I will feel sad, and frustrated if Scotland goes - sad because it will be a loss and frustrated because we English have had no say on a matter of great importance, and I will also say that I would not want to share the pound under any circumstances.

I completely understand that Scots may want their country to be independent full stop, but to leave for any other reason is a mistake imho. I also think the price will be very heavy. To paint a metaphor: the voyage may be right, but the seas are very stormy just now, the vessel a bit of a wreck, and the captain barmy.

I hate Westminster for letting this happen at all.

[mommysboy]

What it really boils down to is whether or not Scots want to be British or not.

And it seems half do, half don't, or thereabouts.

I hope whatever happens that they stop the bitching the day the result comes in, rational debate stopped a long time ago, and the cyberneds have never stopped.

As rational a debate as we have been allowed due to a lack of info regarding Europe etc has occurred.

Now we have the no camp with their "pledge".... Which is unprecedented and utterly disgusting as a breach of trust and total disregard for democracy and those who have already sent in their postal votes.

They show they have no respect for the voting process or indeed the voters.

The three stooges last stand.

That is a bit strong isn't it. Everyone is campaigning right up to the last minute, strategies change, and it would not have been a necessary card to play had the polls not narrowed. Postal voting is optional and voters realise that it is up to them to make an early choice come what may.

The issue with regard to Europe seems fairly straightforward if somewhat bleak for Scotland: vote yes and Scotland has to leave the EU on Indy day, vote no and continued member ship may be subject to a UK referendum in coming years.

[transam]

One things for sure, if a YES by next to nothing there is going to be lot of very pissed off Scots..........

Perhaps the other way round too, but a voyage into the unknown with noooooooooo concrete answers really is folly, and half the nation knows it. .

[mommysboy]

In 1959 after becoming independent from Great Britain, the British Virgin Islands simply adopted the US dollar, which they still use. Many countries have done that. Many create their own currency and then trade it 1:1 for USD to create some feeling of security for users of their currencies.

I don't have an opinion about the upcoming vote, but Scotland wouldn't find it difficult to adopt a major currency.

The British Virgin Islands is in the Caribbean, has a population of 27,000 and has no industry at all to speak of. Trying to compare them to Scotland is simply absurd

Yes.

Scotland is a first world country, with a large banking sector, and big borrowing requirements, and a big debt ratio to GDP. It can only really function if it has the backing of a a central bank with enough reserves to bail institutions out. Without this funds may not be readily at hand, or subject to high intertest rates.

But it is a fluid situation. If most of the banking sector moves south as seems likely if there is a yes vote, then it may bepossible to set up its own currency. It is a heavy price to pay and will almost certainly lurch the country in to recession but is the only option really. The idea of sharing a currency with the very country you are aiming to leave is plain daft in my opinion. It also not a decision Scotland can make. Polls in rest of UK show overwhelming opposition to the idea.

[Neeranam]

In 1959 after becoming independent from Great Britain, the British Virgin Islands simply adopted the US dollar, which they still use. Many countries have done that. Many create their own currency and then trade it 1:1 for USD to create some feeling of security for users of their currencies.

I don't have an opinion about the upcoming vote, but Scotland wouldn't find it difficult to adopt a major currency.

The British Virgin Islands is in the Caribbean, has a population of 27,000 and has no industry at all to speak of. Trying to compare them to Scotland is simply absurd

Yes.

Scotland is a first world country, with a large banking sector, and big borrowing requirements, and a big debt ratio to GDP. It can only really function if it has the backing of a a central bank with enough reserves to bail institutions out. Without this funds may not be readily at hand, or subject to high intertest rates.

But it is a fluid situation. If most of the banking sector moves south as seems likely if there is a yes vote, then it may bepossible to set up its own currency. It is a heavy price to pay and will almost certainly lurch the country in to recession but is the only option really. The idea of sharing a currency with the very country you are aiming to leave is plain daft in my opinion. It also not a decision Scotland can make. Polls in rest of UK show overwhelming opposition to the idea.

Do you know what the Scottish currency was before the union?

[jpinx]

In 1959 after becoming independent from Great Britain, the British Virgin Islands simply adopted the US dollar, which they still use. Many countries have done that. Many create their own currency and then trade it 1:1 for USD to create some feeling of security for users of their currencies.

I don't have an opinion about the upcoming vote, but Scotland wouldn't find it difficult to adopt a major currency.

The British Virgin Islands is in the Caribbean, has a population of 27,000 and has no industry at all to speak of. Trying to compare them to Scotland is simply absurd

Yes.

Scotland is a first world country, with a large banking sector, and big borrowing requirements, and a big debt ratio to GDP. It can only really function if it has the backing of a a central bank with enough reserves to bail institutions out. Without this funds may not be readily at hand, or subject to high intertest rates.

But it is a fluid situation. If most of the banking sector moves south as seems likely if there is a yes vote, then it may bepossible to set up its own currency. It is a heavy price to pay and will almost certainly lurch the country in to recession but is the only option really. The idea of sharing a currency with the very country you are aiming to leave is plain daft in my opinion. It also not a decision Scotland can make. Polls in rest of UK show overwhelming opposition to the idea.

Do you know what the Scottish currency was before the union?

Totally academic, but here it is ---

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Scottish_coinage

[smokie36]

What it really boils down to is whether or not Scots want to be British or not.

And it seems half do, half don't, or thereabouts.

I hope whatever happens that they stop the bitching the day the result comes in, rational debate stopped a long time ago, and the cyberneds have never stopped.

As rational a debate as we have been allowed due to a lack of info regarding Europe etc has occurred.

Now we have the no camp with their "pledge".... Which is unprecedented and utterly disgusting as a breach of trust and total disregard for democracy and those who have already sent in their postal votes.

They show they have no respect for the voting process or indeed the voters.

The three stooges last stand.

That is a bit strong isn't it. Everyone is campaigning right up to the last minute, strategies change, and it would not have been a necessary card to play had the polls not narrowed. Postal voting is optional and voters realise that it is up to them to make an early choice come what may.

The issue with regard to Europe seems fairly straightforward if somewhat bleak for Scotland: vote yes and Scotland has to leave the EU on Indy day, vote no and continued member ship may be subject to a UK referendum in coming years.

Its not a strategy that....its saying vote no and we will give you the third option of Devo Max anyway.

Totally unacceptable at this stage.

[mommysboy]

Yes the whole thing has been badly done by UK Govt. I hate them.

Just as a balancer though SNP has left Scotland none the wiser about just about anything that needs clarity. Hobson's choice really. What a shower both sides.

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[MAJIC]

So what it really boils down to is the oil?

The paltry, almost exhausted North Sea fields that Westminster would have us believe?

Of course it's about oil, do you think there would be this push for separation without the discovery of North Sea oil. As for it being exhausted, it's not only Westminster that is saying this, also Scotsman Ian Wood( see post 1253 ) who should know more about this subject than the politicians and their puppets, be they in London or Edinburgh. Then include the figures for the loss of the Edinburgh financial sector as explained by another Scottish economist in an earlier post.

But please do go ahead with your "YES" vote hopefully to be followed by a big Edinburgh party, it will provide some comic relief for the English before they prepare for the influx of jobs from north of the boarder.

Talking about jobs,on the BBC a SNP MP was on the Referendom News this morning,whinging about 40,000 Younsters a year are forced to leave Scotland to seek Jobs,you can bet your last English £Pound,39,000 of the Jobseekers will be heading for England! Just goes to show how out of touch and insular the SNP is.