Southern police chief: Enough evidence in British tourists' murder case to make arrest now

[NCFC]

That sean guy was full of BS, the expats living in koh tao said the information he gave is not factual and that he is a glory hunter. Bunch of guys who've never been to koh tao believe what he's saying. From his posts I can see he doesn't give a damn about his friends murder, 9 out 10 of his posts are about the scottish referendum.

Yet in the wake of his report, a couple of very influential Koh Tao residents had meetings with the police, and now there is one suspect in custody and another on the run.

Moreover, the guy gave up his life here and placed himself in a position where it might not ever be safe for him to come back.

You don't have to believe him yet, but to dismiss him outright in the meantime is plain wrong, in my humble opinion.

Why would they try to frame a western guy when the DNA retrieved in the crime scene belongs to an Asian. Why would they threaten to hang him instead of going on with it immediately. If these guys are the influential mafia, how did he run away from them in such a small island, you seriously think "mafia" can't take him out of 7/11?

It is BS, the expats living in Koh TAO confirmed it.

There is still a question to be resolved. Witnesses said 3 men were seen on the beach of the night in question and one was playing a guitar and singing English songs. This report may not be true. But if it is, we know that SM was a busker and also worked at AC bar where the two suspects worked. The police need to check this lead. SM claimed to be asleep in his room on the night of the murders. Could he have been on the beach with the two Asian suspects that night? Could SM have been a witness as the Asian men allegedly committed the rape and murder, even though he himself did not take part? Could Hannah have engaged with the group (she may have shared a cigarette with them) because she saw a Westerner was in the group on the beach - someone she may have been acquainted with (if only slightly). And could the Asian suspects put the heat on SM because the Bangkok police could not be controlled in the same way that the local police are, and that the Bangkok police were making progress in their investigations? It's only a theory but one that needs investigating.

Edited September 23, 2014 by NCFC

[ratcatcher]

Hopefully this will stop the embarrassing belly-aching by fellow-members about the competence of the Thai Police. The arrogance and lack of respect for Thailand has been very apparent in these baseless assertions. Why on earth would anyone expect the Thai Police to be as skilled and resourced as the FBI or London's MET. These comments serve no real purpose other than to damage the reputation of foreign visitors to this great and welcoming country. Go away if you can't hack it.

Most of my Thai friends hold the same scathing opinion of the Thai Police force. It's common knowledge that they have their hands in every dirty pie you could imagine, take bribes, harass and extort people for money. Nobodys asking them to be as advanced as the FBI or the MET, but the Thai Police have set the bar for corruption and misconduct extremely high, so people are gonna hate!

"....the Thai Police have set the bar for corruption."

I believe in the West Indies it's referred to as the " limbo bar".

[marcusd]

2 or 3 patsies found then , no doubt hand picked by the owners etc

All this been rushed up due to 1 person spilling the beans, Sean McAnne, who in my opinion is telling the truth and is found out to be lying as at least got the casemoving

Patsies with matching DNA? They are going to fake those results too?

I know the girl had sex with MONGOLS - Asian people but this does not mean she was raped by them Girls come here for Thai men too... I think this is having international pressure on Thailand and this is why they need to be doing something or at least seen to be.

A case like this is ALWAYS hard and people can swing this way and that with opinions but WE DO NOT have the evidence in front of us so we should await the outcome and keep our opinions just that. OPINIONS.

[BigC]

"If there are mafias"

The police denying there even are mafias on Koh Tao is a sure sign this is a cover up. Have they even bothered questioning the ones in the bar brawl or the ones chasing the remaining witness? This is a joke.

They are not denying there are mafias

Give the police the benefit of the doubt as up till now we can only go on what the media have been saying which stories keep changing all the time

I would hope with this crack down going on and the world watching that it would be very difficult to cover this up. Doubt the english would allow this

Now with the army around they are more powerful than the police and the mafia so hopefully they can push this case through

[thairastawoman]

Asian are always talking about face when they are the first ones to put themselves in situation that will make them loose face for sure ! How ridiculous they are !

It's like saying that there won't be corruption in Thailand soon.

Only an uneducated stupid person more used to use guns than brain could say that, right ?

[MikePhuket1970]

All I have to say is what an odd piece of reporting.

Which one?

Are these the farang suicide cases from the last 12 month in Thailand ?

[JohnTrove]

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Posted 13 minutes ago

webfact, on 16 Sept 2014 - 08:55, said:

CRIME

Koh Tao 'sealed off' after two tourists brutally killed

THE NATION, AFP

Gruesome murders of British pair on island paradise shock locals and visitors

BANGKOK: -- POLICE have sealed off the resort island of Koh Tao off Surat Thani province to hunt down killers who brutally murdered a British couple and possibly raped the woman on Sunday night. The 24-year-old victims have been identified as Hannah Witheridge and David Miller.

Full story: http://www.thaivisa....itish-tourists/

this person in the black t shirt looks the same person put on the facebook pages and another newspaper we cant quote . this is dated 16 sept 14

StealthEnergiser You are correct!

Thailand was not at all serious about arresting any Thai citizens connected to this. It was the brave heart "Sean McAnna" who posted the Facebook 7-11 shop picture while hiding in the shop for this life gave a proper message and attention to the world. Now Thailand is forced to take action on own citizens now. The next step will be, they will appoint a lousy Thai lawyer who don't show any interest to convict or prove, and accused will deny going for DNA test. Then later they will announce there is not enough evidence to prove until and unless of Scotland Yoad, or FBI rope in for investigation or until if most countries give warning as Thailand bad destination for holidays. Let us hope the two young British youths will justice from Thailand.

If this guy is actually guilty, cops who let him near the crime area should be investigated as well....

hahahahaha! you guys really don't know this island do you...? Cops/Mafia.. Same Same!

[Rykbanlor]

Hopefully this will stop the embarrassing belly-aching by fellow-members about the competence of the Thai Police. The arrogance and lack of respect for Thailand has been very apparent in these baseless assertions. Why on earth would anyone expect the Thai Police to be as skilled and resourced as the FBI or London's MET. These comments serve no real purpose other than to damage the reputation of foreign visitors to this great and welcoming country. Go away if you can't hack it.

Most of my Thai friends hold the same scathing opinion of the Thai Police force. It's common knowledge that they have their hands in every dirty pie you could imagine, take bribes, harass and extort people for money. Nobodys asking them to be as advanced as the FBI or the MET, but the Thai Police have set the bar for corruption and misconduct extremely high, so people are gonna hate!

"....the Thai Police have set the bar for corruption."

I believe in the West Indies it's referred to as the " limbo bar".

hahaha - I'm all out of likes today! Why are our likes limited on TV?

[Chutney]

The suspect Montriiwat Toovichien who is the brother of the village chief was interrogated and released after his DNA was collected. For all we know he could have fled by now. He was the one who intimidated Sean McAnna. I have a feeling this suspect will be another no match, and he will not be arrested for making threats and intimidation.

What I don't understand is if Sean was a friend of David Miller, why would he still be out drinking and especially be at the AC bar where both victims were at the night of their death, and where they reportedly (not verified) had an altercation.

It's fairly obvious that Sean Mcanna is not a strong minded individual. Typical 'young' beach bum drifter. He's no hero but blew this wide open whilst saving his own neck. Though who can blame him for that?!

He didn't shut up and nearly got fitted up for this precisely because he's a bit of a sad misfit. Possibly Aspergers or something or maybe just dope and booze fuddled.

He's really only interested in himself hence out drinking, posting endlessly about the scottish vote after one rather self important outpouring about David Miller when this horror story first broke, and was the only person who claimed to be a friend of the victim who got his mug in front of a camera as soon as possible. None of DMs real close friends did. He's an attention seeker but it doesn't mean he was lying.

[Snookyville]

The news is certainly great. I hope the suspect who is hiding in Bangkok is caught before he leaves the country. Anyway I still believe there are more than two people involved. It would have taken at least two Asian guys to overcome David and at the same time someone had to keep an eye on Hannah unless she was completely paralyzed by fear or whatever.

Exactly my thought. I said this to a friend the other day that there would have to be at least 3 or 4 of them.

We;ll see

He had quite some head injuries. If the first hit was unexpected and one of the worse blows, I would think he was already cowering in pain and groggy with the world spinning around him. A wooden bar was found believed to be the weapon for that so probably had some blood on it. Easy target to strike a few more times then leave for dead in the water. And if Hannah was witnessing the attack she probably was paralyzed with fear. Also don't underestimate the strength of the-fisherman-island-type-locals (yes there exists no such stereotype but you probably know what I mean).

[Local Drunk]

Well guess what? The killers weren't Burmese... But that's the direction the cops were heading... until a bit of social media caught up with them.

Edited September 23, 2014 by Local Drunk

[coma]

Hopefully this will stop the embarrassing belly-aching by fellow-members about the competence of the Thai Police. The arrogance and lack of respect for Thailand has been very apparent in these baseless assertions. Why on earth would anyone expect the Thai Police to be as skilled and resourced as the FBI or London's MET. These comments serve no real purpose other than to damage the reputation of foreign visitors to this great and welcoming country. Go away if you can't hack it.

Most of my Thai friends hold the same scathing opinion of the Thai Police force. It's common knowledge that they have their hands in every dirty pie you could imagine, take bribes, harass and extort people for money. Nobodys asking them to be as advanced as the FBI or the MET, but the Thai Police have set the bar for corruption and misconduct extremely high, so people are gonna hate!

"....the Thai Police have set the bar for corruption."

I believe in the West Indies it's referred to as the " limbo bar".

hahaha - I'm all out of likes today! Why are our likes limited on TV?

To keep the easily pleased in check?

[Rykbanlor]

I feel a huge sense of relief that an arrest has been made for this dispicable crime. Maybe finally the police bashing will stop on this thread. It took British police over 6 YEARS to finally arrest Peter Sutcliff (the Yorkshire ripper ) in 1981. Thai police got a result in little over a week. The arrest of the other suspects is imminent. Good job guys.

Well, forensic techniques have made huge advances in recent years, so much so that many historical cases have been re-opened and solved.

Also we have the CCTV, that helps.

Also the police back then took a lot of criticism for their bungles too. And the Area over which the Yorkshire ripper operated was way larger.

And as i could keep sayiing till I'm red in the face THE THAI POLICE HAVE EARNED A CERTAIN REPUTATION, amongst Thai people as well as foreigners, so it's not bashing - it's calling out their cockups for what they are.

EDIT: If you want to compare the Thai Police detectives of now, to the British detectives of the 70s, plus or minus the forensic techniques available today, go right ahead, might not be too far off the mark.

Edited September 23, 2014 by Rykbanlor

[JoeLing]

I have been following this with great interest for the last week , is anyone able to confirm that the man on the left of SM 's 7/11 picture

is the same man seen hanging around with the police at the crime scene on day one ?

And , is there any truth in the statement that two men in SM's 7/11 picture refused to be DNA tested .

Refusing a DNA test doesn't indicate guilt.

Would you want the bib to have a sample of your dna?

It certainly doesn't indicate innocence either.

I think it's called civil liberty

'

Thailand - Martial Law - Civil Liberties

Hmmmm ..... Double plus

[Deli]

The southern police chief also assured the public that there was no arrest of scapegoats in this murder case as it now is a focal attention of the world.

So, otherwise yes ? Or just again a crap translation ?

[Seelow]

A post quoting the Bangkok Post has been removed.

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This has always interested me, why exactly is this?

Can the BP and PW legally prevent you from quoting their articles, or is this some private arrangement for reasons unknown?

With luck PW will close in Feb anyway, I simply can't stand that ahole Morrison who edits it!

[pedro01]

I was once on Koh Tao myself and had to leave as my girl I met there had her dogs shot and I was told to leave quickly for my safety so there is an element of bad guys. I also had my wallet stolen but after reporting it to the police I was told it never happened on that island and it must have happened on the transport to BKK and to report it in BKK.

They hush up everything there,

Why? Do you have long floppy ears and a wet nose?

[Chicog]

Andy Lines ‏@andylines 12 Min.

Police have just been granted permission to search a bar on Sairee Beach. It's nine DAYS on but ...

But beaches are public property, so......

So......

So what?

Are you implying a beach is the same as a bar?

No, I'm implying that since the structure is technically illegal, they should have had no impediment against searching it whenever they liked.

[Rykbanlor]

To keep the easily pleased in check?

hahaa, like like like like, I'm having the best day!

[apalink_thailand]

Might as well speculate further. It's the TV forum, so what the hell.

These fellows are relatives of the local Kamnan.

They work In the bar.

The island is well known (it seems) for access to easy drugs

Full moon party types need disco biscuits on the late night dance party.

To sell drugs without worries,sellers need to be connected and protected .

To sell drugs to tourists , what better placement than working in a bar

Perhaps, if the can of worms was opened further, a whole new case could break open. I doubt it though since that will cause even more loss of face.

TV trolls, open hunting time. Enjoy.

[Neeranam]

There are so many cases of Thai killing other Thais that never get justice. Even if the murderers are convicted they will get an easy time. In Thai jail and probably be out in a couple of years at most. Thais killing foreigners in Thailand is not the same as Thais killing Thais or God forbid - foreigners killing a Thai.

[Chicog]

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This has always interested me, why exactly is this?

Can the BP and PW legally prevent you from quoting their articles, or is this some private arrangement for reasons unknown?

With luck PW will close in Feb anyway, I simply can't stand that ahole Morrison who edits it!

I know, it's hard to believe that there are copyright laws in Thailand, isn't it?

[umbanda]

If this arrest is for real, thanks the PM. He shows before that He is going to get EVERYBODY acting against Thailand interest and image. Some people may not like that, but he is putting his country on the right direction, and in just few months of work.

[draftvader]

Where's my pointy finger photo? I want my pointy finger photo. This is Thailand, isn't it? Surely there will be a pointy finger photo!?

[khunjamesjohnson]

There must have been a frantic scramble all week with the headman and police chief plotting the coverup but the international pressure was too much this time.

No secrets on that little island. The cops knew and stalled all week.

Now the two guys threatening the Scottish fellow need to be looked at. I believe they were thugs looking for a patsy and the kid barely got away.

[biplanebluey]

Looks like a few of us may eat humble pie (like me)

looks like the police may have found the correct murderers / not stitched anybody up etc

For that i apologise for doubting them and hope this is the future now

I admire your optimism but I have to say to you--------- You are a bit ahead of yourself,nothing has actually materialised yet---- like they say "don't jump before you're pushed"

[anto]

Great ,this thread is full of smug Brits says Brit does best lol ,and Thai Police are children .They forget about how long it took the Brits so called Police to catch the Yorkshire ripper ,until he had killed over 10 Women ,then you had Gill Dando ,a high profile TV presenter on UK tv who they framed the murder on a MENTALLY ill man (who was later acquitted ) .Then you had the Guildford 4 .Four Irish people Wrongly given a life sentence for a bombing they were later proven to be innocent of after they served 10 years plus . It really annoys me ,about these smug Brits .But karma is a bitch lol

[retarius]

Will there be DNA tests on these chaps as well?

[OPG]

After reading this article, I had to shake my head.

First of all, I'm glad they finally made an arrest and hopefully will make the second very soon (speaking from the following breaking news article that one was arrested).

Now what this article states is that there was no local Mafia involved and "He said local people gave good cooperation to give information, adding the report was not true."

That is complete BULL!!!

The Village Headsman - what does a Village Headsman sound like or do? The first thing that comes to mind, is MAFIA!

Koh Tao - Is a TINY Island where everybody knows each other. One can't pass gas without someone hearing it.

Locals - Were more than likely warned and scared to speak! Why? Maybe because of the Village Headsman you think?

Local Police - Unless Koh Tao is the only place in Thailand that has a legitimate Police force...NOT! It's a small Island ran by the Village Headsman with the Police being employed so to speak by the Village Headsman.

Furthermore, in the article it actually states how incompetent the police were in this investigation:

"He said earlier investigation did not make headway as the cooperation and coordination among authorities were not much with only the investigation police doing their work and no meeting with each other.

But now he said that they will sit down together to discuss and to work in the same direction."

I've been following this investigation from the beginning like most of you, and was hoping that these animals who deserve to be given a slow death, were eventually captured, but through only of course readings from the press, I got to see how this investigation was managed and eventhough I'm all for the new government as they seem to really want to clean up Thailand, Prayuth should focus and make it a priority to begin a massive clean-up of the Police force in Thailand as well as begin tackling the Mafia problem. Thailand cannot do this alone that's for certain...to many things will go wrong. If they do not get outside help on this matter, Thailand will end up like Mexico once they began the campaign to get rid of the drug cartels. They need cooperation from the US & UK in my opinion, but to avoid the same plan Mexico went with that caused more problems than anybody could have imagined!

I for one will NEVER go to Koh Tao again! In such a small island, the "Local Headsman" will always be superior to anybody else including the Police and anything can happen to you as the Locals are too scared to get involved. You will always be at the mercy of the "Local Headsman"!

[phanangpete]

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Posted 13 minutes ago

webfact, on 16 Sept 2014 - 08:55, said:

CRIME

Koh Tao 'sealed off' after two tourists brutally killed

THE NATION, AFP

Gruesome murders of British pair on island paradise shock locals and visitors

BANGKOK: -- POLICE have sealed off the resort island of Koh Tao off Surat Thani province to hunt down killers who brutally murdered a British couple and possibly raped the woman on Sunday night. The 24-year-old victims have been identified as Hannah Witheridge and David Miller.

Full story: http://www.thaivisa....itish-tourists/

this person in the black t shirt looks the same person put on the facebook pages and another newspaper we cant quote . this is dated 16 sept 14

StealthEnergiser You are correct!

Thailand was not at all serious about arresting any Thai citizens connected to this. It was the brave heart "Sean McAnna" who posted the Facebook 7-11 shop picture while hiding in the shop for this life gave a proper message and attention to the world. Now Thailand is forced to take action on own citizens now. The next step will be, they will appoint a lousy Thai lawyer who don't show any interest to convict or prove, and accused will deny going for DNA test. Then later they will announce there is not enough evidence to prove until and unless of Scotland Yoad, or FBI rope in for investigation or until if most countries give warning as Thailand bad destination for holidays. Let us hope the two young British youths will justice from Thailand.

If this guy is actually guilty, cops who let him near the crime area should be investigated as well....

This guy is one of the murderers and hes standing with the BIB as though its just a normal day, staring at the poor victim he raped the night before and hacked to death.

This is pure evil and defies logic of any kind, lets see what the Thai courts give him and his scum mates and how long he serves before back on the island serving other young blond girls.

Its sick !