Koh Tao Murders: Thai Authorities Deny 'Scapegoat' Allegation

[binjalin]

If someone could just please explain to me why david DNA,/ blood is not on the hoe.

I would be grateful and be done with all of this.

yup and why they let the son of the headman get away with not giving DNA? he's innocent right? what's the problem son???

[Marcoose]

It's funny how all the usual suspects rant and rave on here and hit the like button for each other for their brilliant posting but when it comes to parting with a bit of money to fight what they think is a setup by the police and these guys are innocent suddenly it's only one like or dead silence.

Well I'd hate to be in a foxhole with you guys.

Or maybe I'm wrong and you guys have woken up to the that a fool and his money are soon parted.

Come guys throw in a couple of thousand dollars not baht and get these poor innocent victims the best lawyer money can buy.

No ?

Didn't think so!

I want to hear that they have been given access to the Burmese and what happens with that. I'm still not 100% that they will even speak with the team.

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It's funny how all the usual suspects rant and rave on here and hit the like button for each other for their brilliant posting but when it comes to parting with a bit of money to fight what they think is a setup by the police and these guys are innocent suddenly it's only one like or dead silence.

Well I'd hate to be in a foxhole with you guys.

Or maybe I'm wrong and you guys have woken up to the that a fool and his money are soon parted.

Come guys throw in a couple of thousand dollars not baht and get these poor innocent victims the best lawyer money can buy.

No ?

Didn't think so!

I want to hear that they have been given access to the Burmese and what happens with that. I'm still not 100% that they will even speak with the team.

Does anyone seriously believe any Thai lawyer would dare speak in defence of a migrant worker, particularly these two obviously set up migrant workers, and still be able to live/practice here?

The least they could hope for is a farang lawyer which, obviously, will never happen. The only thing that will (and in my view, given the ongoing skepticsm as to who murdered these two tourists), is to keep it in the global news.

[bunglebag]

The truth has come out just a few minor gaffs by the police but on the whole to get their men after 18 days is fantastic police work.

Sorry I don't live in bizarro world of conspiracy theories .

Don't worry these guys are guilty and these threads like other before them are destined for the thai visa archives.

The only thing that will disappear quicker than these threads is the monies donated team lawyer.

If I was you I want to know where every baht goes because it's has to be an on going commitment .

While you at it I know a nice bridge for sale in Sydney Australia if your interested.

Minor gaffs!!

"Ooh sorry I accidently spilled the kettle over you, again!"

"Ooo sorry I accidently beat you up because you refused to make a false witness statement against 3 football players" (who are now no longer the main suspects)

"Look kids, I know you don't know what happened that night but just do what we blatantly tell you to during the reconstruction and it'll all be fine."

"So what if there were wounds all over his head that don't match the hoe weapon. Just pretend you bashed him with it and the silly foreigners will just have to watch this farce whilst we laugh about it inside"

"Oops, I accidently forgot to cordon off the crime scene and instead let all and sundry walk all over it."

"Well yes it does take 48 hours minimum to get DNA results back from Bangkok but for Mon's some kind of miracle happened and we got them within a day. We always knew they would be fine anyway. he's one of us"

"Well sure the headman's son could have got to Bangkok no problem by 9am Monday but hey we'll just take his word for it that he was there all along. he's such a trustworthy fella from such a nice family. He could never lie about it. Take his DNA to eliminate him? No need - his daddy is a friend of ours"

That sure is some fantastic police work there. Fantastic is a very odd word to describe it IMO

Edited October 6, 2014 by bunglebag

[DekDoi]

Not sure if this was covered earlier but PBS news this morning ran a piece from Reuters about a British girl raped in the same area on Koh Tao 2 years ago. The police blamed a tourguide but the victim had accused someone else.

If anyone has more links on this.please share.

[bunglebag]

Not sure if this was covered earlier but PBS news this morning ran a piece from Reuters about a British girl raped in the same area on Koh Tao 2 years ago. The police blamed a tourguide but the victim had accused someone else.

If anyone has more links on this.please share.

Could be the previous alleged Worat incident. Can't see it on PBS website though

[bunglebag]

Keep seeing mention of Headman's other son who was on the island. Is this him?

https://www.facebook.com/deejayspicyboy.fx

[AGareth2]

If someone could just please explain to me why david DNA,/ blood is not on the hoe.

I would be grateful and be done with all of this.

because he wasn't stuck by the hoe?

[Dogmatix]

If someone could just please explain to me why david DNA,/ blood is not on the hoe.

I would be grateful and be done with all of this.

because he wasn't stuck by the hoe?

The police commentary after the re-enactment said that one of the Burmese struck David on the back of the head with the hoe, presumably when he was in a prone position, although there is no sign of any of the type of hoe wounds found on Hannah's head. No reports that the back of the hoe was used either which might have cracked his skull and would certainly have caused massive contusion. In the initial in phase Pol Maj Gen Pornchai Sutheerakune, head of the Thai Institute of Forensic Medicine, said injuries to Miller's hands suggested there had been a struggle with his attackers before he died. There was no further mention of these marks or the struggle. The confession has it that one of the Burmese chopped at David with the hoe and dragged him to the water to drown him by himself, while his friend was presumably restraining Hannah. Doesn't make much sense.

[Anthony5]

If someone could just please explain to me why david DNA,/ blood is not on the hoe.

I would be grateful and be done with all of this.

Probably because as another TV member, who has some knowledge and experience in forensics, yesterday made clear that if DNA from 2 different people is on the same weapon it may be difficult to recover both, unless they would analyze every blood spat of the thousands available on the hoe.

[Dogmatix]

If someone could just please explain to me why david DNA,/ blood is not on the hoe.

I would be grateful and be done with all of this.

Probably because as another TV member, who has some knowledge and experience in forensics, yesterday made clear that if DNA from 2 different people is on the same weapon it may be difficult to recover both, unless they would analyze every blood spat of the thousands available on the hoe.

How about finger prints on the hoe? Also where are the marks from the hoe on David's body? It made a much worse mess of Hannah.

[Anthony5]

If someone could just please explain to me why david DNA,/ blood is not on the hoe.

I would be grateful and be done with all of this.

Probably because as another TV member, who has some knowledge and experience in forensics, yesterday made clear that if DNA from 2 different people is on the same weapon it may be difficult to recover both, unless they would analyze every blood spat of the thousands available on the hoe.

How about finger prints on the hoe? Also where are the marks from the hoe on David's body? It made a much worse mess of Hannah.

Why would David's fingerprints be on the hoe, it wasn't him using it ?

As for the marks, I have never seen anyone killed by a hoe, but I can imagine that the wounds could look like David's, depending how he was struck with the weapon.

It can have been grazing hits, don't forget it was dark, or he can have been hit with the backside of the metal.

It also is possible that they initially didn't have the intention to kill him, but drowned him by mistake and went desperate, which resulted in the mess they created with the female in their endeavor to destroy all evidence.

Edited October 6, 2014 by Anthony5

[bunglebag]

If someone could just please explain to me why david DNA,/ blood is not on the hoe.

I would be grateful and be done with all of this.

Probably because as another TV member, who has some knowledge and experience in forensics, yesterday made clear that if DNA from 2 different people is on the same weapon it may be difficult to recover both, unless they would analyze every blood spat of the thousands available on the hoe.

How about finger prints on the hoe? Also where are the marks from the hoe on David's body? It made a much worse mess of Hannah.

Why would David's fingerprints be on the hoe, it wasn't him using it ?

As for the marks, I have never seen anyone killed by a hoe, but I can imagine that the wounds could look like David's, depending how he was struck with the weapon.

It can have been grazing hits, don't forget it was dark, or he can have been hit with the backside of the metal.

It also is possible that they initially didn't have the intention to kill him, but drowned him by mistake and went desperate, which resulted in the mess they created with the female in their endeavor to destroy all evidence.

if you think they are grazing injuries me thinks you cannot have seen the pictures of the injuries?

The ones under the chin and to the face and shoulder do look like some kind of stabbing wounds, particularly the one under the eye - there is no way that could have been caused by any part of the hoe. The ones on the back and the side of the head could have been caused by a blunt object IMO - possibly the hoe (non-blade side or possibly a wooden / metal bar that was mentioned earlier in the investigation

Edited October 6, 2014 by bunglebag

[Anthony5]

As I said already, I don't know how the wounds look from someone killed by a hoe, do you ?

[bunglebag]

As I said already, I don't know how the wounds look from someone killed by a hoe, do you ?

Have you seen pictures of Hannah?

[Anthony5]

As I said already, I don't know how the wounds look from someone killed by a hoe, do you ?

Have you seen pictures of Hannah?

To answer your questions.

I have seen hundreds of car accidents in my life, many fatal ones, and they all look different.

[bunglebag]

As I said already, I don't know how the wounds look from someone killed by a hoe, do you ?

Have you seen pictures of Hannah?

To answer your questions.

I have seen hundreds of car accidents in my life, many fatal ones, and they all look different.

That doesn't answer my question at all. It completely avoids it

[Anthony5]

As I said already, I don't know how the wounds look from someone killed by a hoe, do you ?

Have you seen pictures of Hannah?

To answer your questions.

I have seen hundreds of car accidents in my life, many fatal ones, and they all look different.

That doesn't answer my question at all. It completely avoids it

So why don't you answer my question?

Do you know how the wounds look from someone killed by a hoe ?

I hope your answer will not be look at Hannah, as that would overly show your ignorance.

[bunglebag]

I'm sure we can agree that some of her injuries were caused by a hoe. I'm not saying they were the fatal wounds, though they would have been if she had not already been killed in some other way.

What I am saying is that I dispute the fact that the injuries to David's face and shoulder could have been caused by that hoe. The hoe could possibly have been used in a clubbing manner to cause the injuries to the back and side of the head, though personally I think it was maybe some other item.

If you think the hoe could have caused David's facial and shoulder injuries I'd be interested to hear how you thought the hoe might have created these particular wounds. I do not agree that they could be grazing wounds.

All IMO of course.

Edited October 6, 2014 by bunglebag

[littlebw]

another question i would like to pose

Will blood tests have been done on Hannah and David?

If there was nothing to hide then i thought the RTP would be saying that they were both pissed as they both would have alcohol in their system

Was Hannah drugged hence she was unconscious when she was raped, David saw this and tried to protect her. then both killed?

Would love to see blood results released

[zoza]

What about the 2 minutes of missing cctv footage showing that there was 1 possibly 2 people in front of the main cctv suspect carrying a stick like object? ? Why hasn't this been forthcoming ? Have you even seen it?

No, but I have seen the stills.

2 people in front of the main suspect, that equals 3. Think about it?

Don`t you believe that the police have all this evidence in hand so that everything adds up? The police have already made it crystal clear that they have all the evidence, including DNA matches, CCT footage, witness statements and even some facts they are not disclosing at the moment for the purposes of not jeopardising the case.

As I have said many times, let us wait and see what further develops in this case, especially considering that the families of the tragic victims maybe reading these threads as the comments on Thai visa have already been mentioned in other news media. Please, give them some hope on the positive side that justice will be obtained for their children and as for the guys in custody, until the police evidence can be firmly dismissed as not credible, than they have the right guys.

Always good to know there are people out there that are so retarded to think Thai poiice are holier than thou.

And its social media that is driving what looks like a cover up, if everyone just accepted things as you did then potentailly innocent men could get killed for the justice system you think shouldnt be questioned by the people its support to protect.

Rubbish. I do not accept anything at face value. I am saying that I do not accept comments and rumours made on social media sites and blogs as credible and that I am saving my verdict on this case until everything is finalised, so I am biding my time to see what transpires later on. And in the meantime I am not going along with the many stupid conspiracy theories that hold no weight whatsoever and will follow the police statements as I can see no reasons to disbelieve them as yet, especially when the armchair detectives, fighting for all that is right and justice of the oppressed from their computers consider those who go against the grain with their crackpot conspiracy accusations are retards, that just about sums up the so-called social media avengers.

I understand you not accepting anything at face value, I think along the same lines but every thing the police have come up with can be forged/faked or altered.

the police hold all the evidence and I doubt any other investigators will be allowed to examine it .

apart from the r t p infamous track record there are a few things that have come to light that will not

go away.

on day two they started to dna and question Myanmar workers

what happened to these three boys in the last three weeks.

after 4/5 days sean mcanna was chased by the headmans brother and an off duty policeman. Why.

(the picture was on facebook and the brother admitted having a "word" with him)

this same brother was pictured contaminating the crime scene day 1. who gave him permission.

a thai taxi driver was taken in and beaten up and told he had to implicate some Myanmar workers

I doubt he made this up as he went to the authorities and press to complain about his treatment.

the police reported some blond hair was recovered at the crime scene, they also reported one of

the accused Myanmar boys had just dyed his hair black the day after the murders.

but cctv showed the three boys on a motorbike the night of the murders all had black hair.

the story of the phone should eventually be solved, but surely even these boys would not be

naïve enough to leave the girls phone practically on their doorstep.

18 years ago I was a first hand witness to a thai police cover-up, and this has the same rotten smell

the truth will surface sooner or later and I hope for Thailand's sake that this investigation does not

heap more shame on the majority of goodhearted thais.

[bunglebag]

One thing to come out of this is that it has shown the world just how corrupt Thailand and its police force really is. Damage to image that can never be undone without immense and seemingly unrealistic changes.

But unfortunately there will always be more tourists. If they want to visit Koh Tao or other similar places, or drink at AC bar and fraternise with this family then good luck to them, because some of them are going to need it without a doubt.

There are clearly a lot of decent Thai people who would love the truth to come out (as shown by the popularity of CSI LA) but it doesn't look like there is any chance of that. I feel for them because they are stuck with this gross corruption for the foreseeable, and most likely long term.

Edited October 6, 2014 by bunglebag

[Loptr]

“The police are doing their job. If the police hear your accusation, they will be sad," Gen. Prawit said.

Just when you think this story cannot get more absurd...

The incident has become more about the police and the way the case has been handled as opposed to the murder of these two young people on holiday...

[Number 3]

What about the 2 minutes of missing cctv footage showing that there was 1 possibly 2 people in front of the main cctv suspect carrying a stick like object? ? Why hasn't this been forthcoming ? Have you even seen it?

No, but I have seen the stills.

2 people in front of the main suspect, that equals 3. Think about it?

Don`t you believe that the police have all this evidence in hand so that everything adds up? The police have already made it crystal clear that they have all the evidence, including DNA matches, CCT footage, witness statements and even some facts they are not disclosing at the moment for the purposes of not jeopardising the case.

As I have said many times, let us wait and see what further develops in this case, especially considering that the families of the tragic victims maybe reading these threads as the comments on Thai visa have already been mentioned in other news media. Please, give them some hope on the positive side that justice will be obtained for their children and as for the guys in custody, until the police evidence can be firmly dismissed as not credible, than they have the right guys.

Always good to know there are people out there that are so retarded to think Thai poiice are holier than thou.

And its social media that is driving what looks like a cover up, if everyone just accepted things as you did then potentailly innocent men could get killed for the justice system you think shouldnt be questioned by the people its support to protect.

Rubbish. I do not accept anything at face value. I am saying that I do not accept comments and rumours made on social media sites and blogs as credible and that I am saving my verdict on this case until everything is finalised, so I am biding my time to see what transpires later on. And in the meantime I am not going along with the many stupid conspiracy theories that hold no weight whatsoever and will follow the police statements as I can see no reasons to disbelieve them as yet, especially when the armchair detectives, fighting for all that is right and justice of the oppressed from their computers consider those who go against the grain with their crackpot conspiracy accusations are retards, that just about sums up the so-called social media avengers.

I understand you not accepting anything at face value, I think along the same lines but every thing the police have come up with can be forged/faked or altered.

the police hold all the evidence and I doubt any other investigators will be allowed to examine it .

apart from the r t p infamous track record there are a few things that have come to light that will not

go away.

on day two they started to dna and question Myanmar workers

what happened to these three boys in the last three weeks.

after 4/5 days sean mcanna was chased by the headmans brother and an off duty policeman. Why.

(the picture was on facebook and the brother admitted having a "word" with him)

this same brother was pictured contaminating the crime scene day 1. who gave him permission.

a thai taxi driver was taken in and beaten up and told he had to implicate some Myanmar workers

I doubt he made this up as he went to the authorities and press to complain about his treatment.

the police reported some blond hair was recovered at the crime scene, they also reported one of

the accused Myanmar boys had just dyed his hair black the day after the murders.

but cctv showed the three boys on a motorbike the night of the murders all had black hair.

the story of the phone should eventually be solved, but surely even these boys would not be

naïve enough to leave the girls phone practically on their doorstep.

18 years ago I was a first hand witness to a thai police cover-up, and this has the same rotten smell

the truth will surface sooner or later and I hope for Thailand's sake that this investigation does not

heap more shame on the majority of goodhearted thais.

Well, start reporting what you know about this case, anonymously.

What you know or think you know or actual evidence you have. I am advised "it is NOT a chat line fellas "I have by someone that's help set this up so use it for good and not for a whine. Whining can stay on blog sites.

http://www.samuitimes.com/human-rights-commission-thailand-ask-anonymous-information-koh-tao-murders/

[canuckamuck]

Probably because as another TV member, who has some knowledge and experience in forensics, yesterday made clear that if DNA from 2 different people is on the same weapon it may be difficult to recover both, unless they would analyze every blood spat of the thousands available on the hoe.

How about finger prints on the hoe? Also where are the marks from the hoe on David's body? It made a much worse mess of Hannah.

Why would David's fingerprints be on the hoe, it wasn't him using it ?

As for the marks, I have never seen anyone killed by a hoe, but I can imagine that the wounds could look like David's, depending how he was struck with the weapon.

It can have been grazing hits, don't forget it was dark, or he can have been hit with the backside of the metal.

It also is possible that they initially didn't have the intention to kill him, but drowned him by mistake and went desperate, which resulted in the mess they created with the female in their endeavor to destroy all evidence.

8 very similar looking grazing hits from a hoe? What were these guys blindfolded and standing on one leg on a stool.

I use an agricultural hoe a lot, this rainy season I used one nearly every day, There is no way to make small puncture wounds with the hoe found as evidence. You can make 4-6 inch cuts, or use can use the blunt side to smash. You cannot poke small holes.

Davids wounds are indicative of someone who was held while someone else made rapid thrusts to his head and neck area with a short thick knife; in exactly they way you see people get shived in prison dramas. This was an execution.

[Anthony5]

Probably because as another TV member, who has some knowledge and experience in forensics, yesterday made clear that if DNA from 2 different people is on the same weapon it may be difficult to recover both, unless they would analyze every blood spat of the thousands available on the hoe.

How about finger prints on the hoe? Also where are the marks from the hoe on David's body? It made a much worse mess of Hannah.

Why would David's fingerprints be on the hoe, it wasn't him using it ?

As for the marks, I have never seen anyone killed by a hoe, but I can imagine that the wounds could look like David's, depending how he was struck with the weapon.

It can have been grazing hits, don't forget it was dark, or he can have been hit with the backside of the metal.

It also is possible that they initially didn't have the intention to kill him, but drowned him by mistake and went desperate, which resulted in the mess they created with the female in their endeavor to destroy all evidence.

8 very similar looking grazing hits from a hoe? What were these guys blindfolded and standing on one leg on a stool.

I use an agricultural hoe a lot, this rainy season I used one nearly every day, There is no way to make small puncture wounds with the hoe found as evidence. You can make 4-6 inch cuts, or use can use the blunt side to smash. You cannot poke small holes.

Davids wounds are indicative of someone who was held while someone else made rapid thrusts to his head and neck area with a short thick knife; in exactly they way you see people get shived in prison dramas. This was an execution.

exactly they way you see people get shived in prison dramas.

Finally the truth revealed.You watch too much movies.

Did you know that not everything you see in movies is reality ?

[canuckamuck]

Just giving you a visual.

You believe the murder weapon was a hoe, making little poke holes. I think you are the one living in a fantasy land.

Edited October 6, 2014 by canuckamuck

[Number 3]

http://www.samuitimes.com/human-rights-commission-thailand-ask-anonymous-information-koh-tao-murders/

Probably because as another TV member, who has some knowledge and experience in forensics, yesterday made clear that if DNA from 2 different people is on the same weapon it may be difficult to recover both, unless they would analyze every blood spat of the thousands available on the hoe.

How about finger prints on the hoe? Also where are the marks from the hoe on David's body? It made a much worse mess of Hannah.

Why would David's fingerprints be on the hoe, it wasn't him using it ?

As for the marks, I have never seen anyone killed by a hoe, but I can imagine that the wounds could look like David's, depending how he was struck with the weapon.

It can have been grazing hits, don't forget it was dark, or he can have been hit with the backside of the metal.

It also is possible that they initially didn't have the intention to kill him, but drowned him by mistake and went desperate, which resulted in the mess they created with the female in their endeavor to destroy all evidence.

8 very similar looking grazing hits from a hoe? What were these guys blindfolded and standing on one leg on a stool.

I use an agricultural hoe a lot, this rainy season I used one nearly every day, There is no way to make small puncture wounds with the hoe found as evidence. You can make 4-6 inch cuts, or use can use the blunt side to smash. You cannot poke small holes.

Davids wounds are indicative of someone who was held while someone else made rapid thrusts to his head and neck area with a short thick knife; in exactly they way you see people get shived in prison dramas. This was an execution.

[englishoak]

Pathologist also said the wounds on david are from a heavy blunt object, not a knife

3rd was DNA found on Hannahs body was also confirmed....

So theres at least a 3rd murderer/rapist out there

Can you think of anyone that badly needs to be DNA checked who refuses to so far ?

[SteveFong]

So Thai police are threatening people who question them now,

not because a man came forward to say he was beaten because he refused to lie for them