Koh Tao murder report: Prosecutors seek changes

[jabis]

In BP there is another article about the alleged perpetrators recanting their confession. There is also an interesting sidequote from the Koh Samui chief of prosecutors, saying that the 300-paged police report was incomplete in terms of suspects' confessions.

[JLCrab]

<script type='text/javascript'>window.mod_pagespeed_start = Number(new Date());</script>

"However, both suspects insisted [to me] that they had committed the crimes," said the human-rights commissioner.

Just asking but..........does that statement not sound really strange to you ? I mean insisted ? alt=blink.png>

He, like so many others, is airing in public evidence would should only be coming out in a trial, providing their is one that is.

If the defendents plead guilty, there is no trial. Only a sentencing hearing.

A Thai judge or judges has full authority to reject a guilty plea by defendants in any criminal trial.

[Krataiboy]

Prime Minister Prayut Chan-o-cha yesterday called on the Thai public and media not to specifically mention the nationality of the suspects, and suggested that they be referred to instead as "migrant workers", after news reports in global media specified the suspects as the nationals of a neighbouring country all along.

It's far too late to unscramble this unsavory omelette. Everybody around the world now knows the nationality of the accused men - not least in the Land of Smiles because the fact that they came M-----r has been rammed down our throats by the police and Thai media since they were fingered.

Forcing Thai people and the press to pretend otherwise will be seen by outsiders as yet a further indication that Thailand has lost not just a democratically elected government but its marbles, too.

[rickirs]

<script type='text/javascript'>window.mod_pagespeed_start = Number(new Date());</script>

"However, both suspects insisted [to me] that they had committed the crimes," said the human-rights commissioner.

Just asking but..........does that statement not sound really strange to you ? I mean insisted ? alt=blink.png>

He, like so many others, is airing in public evidence would should only be coming out in a trial, providing their is one that is.

Usually when the defendents plead guilty, there is no trial, no evidence presented. Only a sentencing hearing.

[jmacken306]

I agree on not naming what nationality or country they are from, I also believe they should not use migrant, they should just say the "The People or Person of Interest"..... In the USA migrant means from Mexico or people who are USA citizens that travel around the USA harvesting crops in season that can't be harvested by machine. When they use Migrant in USA, the first thing people think are the border crosser that the USA is trying to stop.........and then people get very upset.......

[Johnsen]

Its very close. I am reminded that they, David and Hanna left the AC bar together. Perhaps the only change I would make is they were lured to the spot together and he was killed before they even began to rape her but she certainly saw him die.

When I wrote that I was unaware of Seans supposed past of date rape and helping Mon with this before. SteveFong has suggested maybe between 3-5 people raped Hanna. I believe that's how many probably set to David first. We all know how Thais like to fight 5 to 1 and never 1 on 1.

I doubt Sean will ever speak up. Not now that his date rape activities have been exposed. Perhaps he has been paid off or just happy to be put with his life.Not sure now if Sean is guilty of rape or not. He probably did but they couldn't just finger him as he would have named the others and what then. All DNA tested and all guilty. Better to ether kill him or have him run out of town shit scared never to talk again. If all he did was help lure then I think he would talk but his silence tells me he probably raped her but didn't kill her.

I think u can put a line thru the Thai DNA testing. Was it ever even done. I doubt it. Its said Mon had scratches on him so his DNA would likely be under Hanna's finger nails. Let's face it, the bottom line is if you had nothing to hide and wanted to clear your name u would be screaming the house down to be checked. Sadly Mon and co refused which clearly makes them as guilty as sin. There is no other reason to not b tested.

I believe the condom was probably unrolled and pushed/ rubbed inside Hanna just to make the story more confusing hence no DNA inside.

[Krenjai]

But if Mon was seen out with a speedboat why on earth didn't he and his buddies not pick up the bodies and dump them at sea? I'm sure daddy would have preferred that to waking up with 2 horribly murdered corpses in front of his club.

Because:

1) Too risky to be seen dragging the bodies in the boat.

2) Needed to organize a speedboat quickly and get to the mainland ASAP

3) Panic, and knowing his buddies will tamper with crime scene.

& a lot more

There are so many conflicting and false statements made he should be dying to volunteer giving his DNA to clear his name. I am convinced Sean knows exactly what happened as he posted it on FB. Get the DNA of Mon & get this Sean to testify and CASE SOLVED!

[stephen terry]

What's the odds that this case will not come before the court in the immediate future? Give breathing space for the media to lose interest, and for forums to find other topics to chew over?

[Johnsen]

I think this post of Johnson above on page 8 is probably 100% accurate:

*There was an argument in the bar. Mon and co were rejected ( I believe one is police and one influential islander). Later that night whilst on the beach in a group Sean, having been asked by Mon and co for his h.elp, has lured Hanna away behind the rocks so Mon and co could have their way. David on the beach hears her struggle, probably screams and has gone to help and been assaulted with knuckle knife and dragged to the water and drowned.

IMO: correct! Sean worked in AC bar, with a no problem work-permit & visa, is whispered to be involved organizing gangbangs sometimes using KO drops etc. He knows Mon well. Sean is also a convicted weirdo related to child porn.

"Sean who was OK with the girl being raped tried to stop Mon and co beating and killing his friend and has been struck and run for his life also. Mon and co have finished the rape buy because she has seen David murdered needs to be killed herself so she can't id Davids killers. Mon runs the other 2 stay on the island again I believe as police and influential islander to contamenate the scene, remove all evidence of their involvement and help the investigation lead somewhere else, plant new evidence to find a patsy ie cigarette butt of the accused, phones etc etc."

IMO: correct! It explains the DNA on the hoe didn't match David's. It explains the cuts on Sean that obviously came from fishhook knuckle knifes.

"No patsy is easily found so they go after Sean, hence the comment u have blood on your hands when they catch up with him in 7/11 and or the minimart. Fearing for his life and now with witness to being chased and being able to post on FB who was chasing him he calls police. Police come to help and knowing now that he has posted on FB and created a scene have to protect him."

IMO: correct! Sean is now scared sh*tless and knows he will be killed. He became an unwanted witness of David's killing.

"Sean gets off the island with help of journalists but is interrogated on BKK by police. Not because they think he did it but to make sure he Nevers opens his mouth RR the truth. Agreeing to this he is allowed to leave Thailand as are David and Hannah's friends. They have all been told and or threatened to keep their mouths shut."

IMO: correct! Why else let such an important witness leave Thailand with blood sprayed all over his guitar? He had to leave ASAP!

"SteveFong and u people who were there how close am I. I reckon that's it.

What's happened since with BK air and the Uni is just all apart of the cover up money chain etc. Mon was on the first flight out. He was never in school and all of this just goes to show u how evil this whole thing is. Thai authorities are prepared to maybe executed 2 innocent people so 3 weak pric#s could get there rocks off and save some face.

You know the saying AMAZING THAILAND."

IMO; correct! Mon, who was seen on CCTV twice and was out with a speedboat that night. All the rest, the tampering with CCTV on his condo, the Uni conflicting story, the refusal to give DNA is ALL part of the cover up! I also think Mon did it with one or two buddies and I believe the above post, although fictional will turn out to be a 100% correct![/background

But if Mon was seen out with a speedboat why on earth didn't he and his buddies not pick up the bodies and dump them at sea? I'm sure daddy would have preferred that to waking up with 2 horribly murdered corpses in front of his club.

[Johnsen]

That's not a question for me to answer. That question needs to be directed at Mon and co. Sorry.

[Suriya4]

"He said they told him they had not used condoms while sexually violating the female victim, contrary to earlier police statements that sperm carrying their DNA was found on the outside of condoms."

Have you heard of any rapist using condoms?

[ffaarraanngg]

I think this post of Johnson above on page 8 is probably 100% accurate:

*There was an argument in the bar. Mon and co were rejected ( I believe one is police and one influential islander). Later that night whilst on the beach in a group Sean, having been asked by Mon and co for his h.elp, has lured Hanna away behind the rocks so Mon and co could have their way. David on the beach hears her struggle, probably screams and has gone to help and been assaulted with knuckle knife and dragged to the water and drowned.

IMO: correct! Sean worked in AC bar, with a no problem work-permit & visa, is whispered to be involved organizing gangbangs sometimes using KO drops etc. He knows Mon well. Sean is also a convicted weirdo related to child porn.

"Sean who was OK with the girl being raped tried to stop Mon and co beating and killing his friend and has been struck and run for his life also. Mon and co have finished the rape buy because she has seen David murdered needs to be killed herself so she can't id Davids killers. Mon runs the other 2 stay on the island again I believe as police and influential islander to contamenate the scene, remove all evidence of their involvement and help the investigation lead somewhere else, plant new evidence to find a patsy ie cigarette butt of the accused, phones etc etc."

IMO: correct! It explains the DNA on the hoe didn't match David's. It explains the cuts on Sean that obviously came from fishhook knuckle knifes.

"No patsy is easily found so they go after Sean, hence the comment u have blood on your hands when they catch up with him in 7/11 and or the minimart. Fearing for his life and now with witness to being chased and being able to post on FB who was chasing him he calls police. Police come to help and knowing now that he has posted on FB and created a scene have to protect him."

IMO: correct! Sean is now scared sh*tless and knows he will be killed. He became an unwanted witness of David's killing.

"Sean gets off the island with help of journalists but is interrogated on BKK by police. Not because they think he did it but to make sure he Nevers opens his mouth RR the truth. Agreeing to this he is allowed to leave Thailand as are David and Hannah's friends. They have all been told and or threatened to keep their mouths shut."

IMO: correct! Why else let such an important witness leave Thailand with blood sprayed all over his guitar? He had to leave ASAP!

"SteveFong and u people who were there how close am I. I reckon that's it.

What's happened since with BK air and the Uni is just all apart of the cover up money chain etc. Mon was on the first flight out. He was never in school and all of this just goes to show u how evil this whole thing is. Thai authorities are prepared to maybe executed 2 innocent people so 3 weak pric#s could get there rocks off and save some face.

You know the saying AMAZING THAILAND."

IMO; correct! Mon, who was seen on CCTV twice and was out with a speedboat that night. All the rest, the tampering with CCTV on his condo, the Uni conflicting story, the refusal to give DNA is ALL part of the cover up! I also think Mon did it with one or two buddies and I believe the above post, although fictional will turn out to be a 100% correct![/background

But if Mon was seen out with a speedboat why on earth didn't he and his buddies not pick up the bodies and dump them at sea? I'm sure daddy would have preferred that to waking up with 2 horribly murdered corpses in front of his club.

Probably not as simple as just nipping back collecting a couple of bodies and dumping them at sea, besides whoever done this was crazed theyre hardly likely to be thinking rationally.

[ClutchClark]

I agree on not naming what nationality or country they are from, I also believe they should not use migrant, they should just say the "The People or Person of Interest"..... In the USA migrant means from Mexico or people who are USA citizens that travel around the USA harvesting crops in season that can't be harvested by machine. When they use Migrant in USA, the first thing people think are the border crosser that the USA is trying to stop.........and then people get very upset.......

As an American, I am very happy when they differentiate who committed a crime, whether it was a citizen, a greencard holder or an illegal alien--these identifying facts help us to know where enforcement needs to be improved.

Although I realize it is no longer politically correct with some overtly sensitive types.

[bertty]

There is witnessed evidence to support they were at the crime scene ... so then how come it seems that the two have no inkling as to who might have done it?

Really there was more than the one witness who wasn't there ? So is this a new guy they have pulled in from the jungle ?

You do know the so called witness has said he was home in bed by 1am.

BTY Crab, where are you from, cause I often think we need a pancake seller to help us understand your posts

The witness has retracted his statement that had confirmed they were still on the beach at the time of the murders. We only have evidence that they went there just after 11pm from the CCTV and that they drank a couple of beers, smoked a couple of butts and sang Rakhine dialect songs from that time. BUT we there is no evidence that they were still on the beach at the time of the crimes which was at least 4 hours later after 3am. We don't know what time they left the beach and went to bed. The witness now says he woke up the next morning and found his friends uninjured and quite normal as if nothing had happened.

How about the two mens sperm that matched their DNA , the hour is irrelevant .

Who the mentioned the two mens sperm matched their DNA ?????????????

The DNA from the two men comes from a cigarette they had both smoked. That is the hottest lead the investigation has.

I Would look for the link but cant be arsed, if you are interested in the story you should have already read it.

I am amazed some of the people who post on here are actually past the use of crayons yet, let alone able to use computers.

[ffaarraanngg]

So they admitted having sex with her , they admitted they did the crime to a human right official...I'm still confused why so many people still defend them ??

Where have they admitted having sex with her?

[louialive]

"He said they told him they had not used condoms while sexually violating the female victim, contrary to earlier police statements that sperm carrying their DNA was found on the outside of condoms."

Have you heard of any rapist using condoms?

How can a condom have DNA outside but inside, only if it was never worn.

If it was delibeartley rubbed inside by hand to pick up DNA then someone touched it so something from them would be on the outside of the condom also or they used gloves or something to cover their hands.

The condom story is so strange.

[ClutchClark]

"He said they told him they had not used condoms while sexually violating the female victim, contrary to earlier police statements that sperm carrying their DNA was found on the outside of condoms."

Have you heard of any rapist using condoms?

Actually, yes, rapists will use condoms to prevent DNA Identification.

What I haven't heard of is Thai men using condoms. According to my wife and her friends, Thai men seldom wear condoms. And if you recall the claims by prostitutes working the protester camps, the men would not use condoms and refuse to pay for services rendered. Not sure about Burmese though.

[mcm991]

You may want to check the credentials of this 'expert' in Human Rights ... as he has been very active in expressing the guilt of the accused. (First post of this thread)

His main expertise seems to be in violating rights and not really upholding them.

Just a thought.

MCM.

>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>

http://www.asiasentinel.com/society/thailands-toothless-human-rights-commission/

To put it simply, the current batch of the NHRC is composed of individuals who have very little knowledge of human rights, let alone have heard the sufferings of human rights victims. Worse off, the name of Dr Parinya Sirisarakarn, a businessman turned human rights commissioner, appeared in the report in the previous batch of the NHRC as a human rights violator after his salt extraction company in Nakorn Ratchasima Province was found to have contaminated water used by villagers in the province. During the hearing by the senate on his NHRC application in 2009, he described the Falun Gong movement in China as a CIA plot to embarrass China’s government and said international pressure on Burma at that time constituted interference in the internal affairs of the military government.

>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>

[ffaarraanngg]

Condoms!!!?? Who puts on a condom before raping??

A rapist that doesn't want to leave semen inside the victim as it can be a bit of a give away!!!

So they dont want to leave semen inside her is something i can understand, but leaving it near the victim kind of ruins this plan.

[lavender19]

I thought Full Moon events had been banned?

[ClutchClark]

Its very close. I am reminded that they, David and Hanna left the AC bar together. Perhaps the only change I would make is they were lured to the spot together and he was killed before they even began to rape her but she certainly saw him die.

When I wrote that I was unaware of Seans supposed past of date rape and helping Mon with this before. SteveFong has suggested maybe between 3-5 people raped Hanna. I believe that's how many probably set to David first. We all know how Thais like to fight 5 to 1 and never 1 on 1.

I doubt Sean will ever speak up. Not now that his date rape activities have been exposed. Perhaps he has been paid off or just happy to be put with his life.Not sure now if Sean is guilty of rape or not. He probably did but they couldn't just finger him as he would have named the others and what then. All DNA tested and all guilty. Better to ether kill him or have him run out of town shit scared never to talk again. If all he did was help lure then I think he would talk but his silence tells me he probably raped her but didn't kill her.

I think u can put a line thru the Thai DNA testing. Was it ever even done. I doubt it. Its said Mon had scratches on him so his DNA would likely be under Hanna's finger nails. Let's face it, the bottom line is if you had nothing to hide and wanted to clear your name u would be screaming the house down to be checked. Sadly Mon and co refused which clearly makes them as guilty as sin. There is no other reason to not b tested.

I believe the condom was probably unrolled and pushed/ rubbed inside Hanna just to make the story more confusing hence no DNA inside.

The only way I would ever allow my DNA to be tested is by court order.

Its a complete invasion of privacy...atleast to most Americans.

[transam]

Its very close. I am reminded that they, David and Hanna left the AC bar together. Perhaps the only change I would make is they were lured to the spot together and he was killed before they even began to rape her but she certainly saw him die.

When I wrote that I was unaware of Seans supposed past of date rape and helping Mon with this before. SteveFong has suggested maybe between 3-5 people raped Hanna. I believe that's how many probably set to David first. We all know how Thais like to fight 5 to 1 and never 1 on 1.

I doubt Sean will ever speak up. Not now that his date rape activities have been exposed. Perhaps he has been paid off or just happy to be put with his life.Not sure now if Sean is guilty of rape or not. He probably did but they couldn't just finger him as he would have named the others and what then. All DNA tested and all guilty. Better to ether kill him or have him run out of town shit scared never to talk again. If all he did was help lure then I think he would talk but his silence tells me he probably raped her but didn't kill her.

I think u can put a line thru the Thai DNA testing. Was it ever even done. I doubt it. Its said Mon had scratches on him so his DNA would likely be under Hanna's finger nails. Let's face it, the bottom line is if you had nothing to hide and wanted to clear your name u would be screaming the house down to be checked. Sadly Mon and co refused which clearly makes them as guilty as sin. There is no other reason to not b tested.

I believe the condom was probably unrolled and pushed/ rubbed inside Hanna just to make the story more confusing hence no DNA inside.

The only way I would ever allow my DNA to be tested is by court order.

Its a complete invasion of privacy...atleast to most Americans.

Rubbish..........

[ffaarraanngg]

"He said they told him they had not used condoms while sexually violating the female victim, contrary to earlier police statements that sperm carrying their DNA was found on the outside of condoms."

Have you heard of any rapist using condoms?

Actually, yes, rapists will use condoms to prevent DNA Identification.

What I haven't heard of is Thai men using condoms. According to my wife and her friends, Thai men seldom wear condoms. Not sure about Burmese though.

Yes all those condoms in 7-11 esq shops are never bought by Thai males, theyre good Catholic boys.

And which barstool were you sat on when you heard about rapists procedurally using condoms?

Seriously some of you that are typing constantly are just writing utter nonsense.

[stephen terry]

Its very close. I am reminded that they, David and Hanna left the AC bar together. Perhaps the only change I would make is they were lured to the spot together and he was killed before they even began to rape her but she certainly saw him die.

When I wrote that I was unaware of Seans supposed past of date rape and helping Mon with this before. SteveFong has suggested maybe between 3-5 people raped Hanna. I believe that's how many probably set to David first. We all know how Thais like to fight 5 to 1 and never 1 on 1.

I doubt Sean will ever speak up. Not now that his date rape activities have been exposed. Perhaps he has been paid off or just happy to be put with his life.Not sure now if Sean is guilty of rape or not. He probably did but they couldn't just finger him as he would have named the others and what then. All DNA tested and all guilty. Better to ether kill him or have him run out of town shit scared never to talk again. If all he did was help lure then I think he would talk but his silence tells me he probably raped her but didn't kill her.

I think u can put a line thru the Thai DNA testing. Was it ever even done. I doubt it. Its said Mon had scratches on him so his DNA would likely be under Hanna's finger nails. Let's face it, the bottom line is if you had nothing to hide and wanted to clear your name u would be screaming the house down to be checked. Sadly Mon and co refused which clearly makes them as guilty as sin. There is no other reason to not b tested.

I believe the condom was probably unrolled and pushed/ rubbed inside Hanna just to make the story more confusing hence no DNA inside.

Currently, no-one can be convicted of murder without a confession, because there's no other evidence to support that. Suspects could be sentenced for rape, if DNA matches, that's about it if they keep shtum. One murder weapon, no fingerprints, no DNA. No witnesses of the murder.

Even if Mon was tested and found to be a match his lawyer would say he didn't commit murder, he left the beach after committing rape. Maybe an unlikely scenario, but possible.

[JLCrab]

So they admitted having sex with her , they admitted they did the crime to a human right official...I'm still confused why so many people still defend them ??

Where have they admitted having sex with her?

Meanwhile, Parinya Sirisarakarn, a member of the National Human Rights Commission (NHRC), yesterday gave new information about forensic evidence and claims made by the two suspects - Maung Saw and Maung Win - whom he had met.

He said they told him they had not used condoms while sexually violating the female victim, contrary to earlier police statements that sperm carrying their DNA was found on the outside of condoms.

http://www.nationmultimedia.com/national/Prosecutors-seek-changes-30245052.html 09 OCT 2014

[ffaarraanngg]

Its very close. I am reminded that they, David and Hanna left the AC bar together. Perhaps the only change I would make is they were lured to the spot together and he was killed before they even began to rape her but she certainly saw him die.

When I wrote that I was unaware of Seans supposed past of date rape and helping Mon with this before. SteveFong has suggested maybe between 3-5 people raped Hanna. I believe that's how many probably set to David first. We all know how Thais like to fight 5 to 1 and never 1 on 1.

I doubt Sean will ever speak up. Not now that his date rape activities have been exposed. Perhaps he has been paid off or just happy to be put with his life.Not sure now if Sean is guilty of rape or not. He probably did but they couldn't just finger him as he would have named the others and what then. All DNA tested and all guilty. Better to ether kill him or have him run out of town shit scared never to talk again. If all he did was help lure then I think he would talk but his silence tells me he probably raped her but didn't kill her.

I think u can put a line thru the Thai DNA testing. Was it ever even done. I doubt it. Its said Mon had scratches on him so his DNA would likely be under Hanna's finger nails. Let's face it, the bottom line is if you had nothing to hide and wanted to clear your name u would be screaming the house down to be checked. Sadly Mon and co refused which clearly makes them as guilty as sin. There is no other reason to not b tested.

I believe the condom was probably unrolled and pushed/ rubbed inside Hanna just to make the story more confusing hence no DNA inside.

The only way I would ever allow my DNA to be tested is by court order.

Its a complete invasion of privacy...atleast to most Americans.

Except when you get arrested you have to give DNA.

http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2013-06-03/routine-dna-testing-after-arrest-upheld-by-u-s-supreme-court.html

America is a totalitarian, police state that is run on behalf of corporations you have no privacy.

[Johnsen]

I'll say it again about the condom. It was never used. It was unrolled and rubbed inside her to make it look like David and Hanna were having sex, hence sperm on the outside. This is probably one of the reasons the bodies were not discarded, the attackers went down that road for their cover up. Its also the reason bar owners were on the beach so early, to simply oversee the cover up.

People u must understand these people on the island never ever ever get challenged. Ever. Its their utopia. I have no doubt they are all absolutely go smacked as the worlds response. This never happens.

From here on in its pretty simple. Just keep demanding Mon and co be DNA tested and pray the British authorities have done their own testing. Step forward Mon and co, come, be tested you guilty bastards. Your so innocent yet you want take a test. What a joke. What was there excuse again.

[JLCrab]

Its very close. I am reminded that they, David and Hanna left the AC bar together. Perhaps the only change I would make is they were lured to the spot together and he was killed before they even began to rape her but she certainly saw him die.

When I wrote that I was unaware of Seans supposed past of date rape and helping Mon with this before. SteveFong has suggested maybe between 3-5 people raped Hanna. I believe that's how many probably set to David first. We all know how Thais like to fight 5 to 1 and never 1 on 1.

I doubt Sean will ever speak up. Not now that his date rape activities have been exposed. Perhaps he has been paid off or just happy to be put with his life.Not sure now if Sean is guilty of rape or not. He probably did but they couldn't just finger him as he would have named the others and what then. All DNA tested and all guilty. Better to ether kill him or have him run out of town shit scared never to talk again. If all he did was help lure then I think he would talk but his silence tells me he probably raped her but didn't kill her.

I think u can put a line thru the Thai DNA testing. Was it ever even done. I doubt it. Its said Mon had scratches on him so his DNA would likely be under Hanna's finger nails. Let's face it, the bottom line is if you had nothing to hide and wanted to clear your name u would be screaming the house down to be checked. Sadly Mon and co refused which clearly makes them as guilty as sin. There is no other reason to not b tested.

I believe the condom was probably unrolled and pushed/ rubbed inside Hanna just to make the story more confusing hence no DNA inside.

Currently, no-one can be convicted of murder without a confession, because there's no other evidence to support that. Suspects could be sentenced for rape, if DNA matches, that's about it if they keep shtum. One murder weapon, no fingerprints, no DNA. No witnesses of the murder.

Even if Mon was tested and found to be a match his lawyer would say he didn't commit murder, he left the beach after committing rape. Maybe an unlikely scenario, but possible.

It would be up to a Thai judge or panel of judges to determine reasonable doubt; if they decide there is not sufficient reasonable doubt, they can declare guilty as charged.

[ffaarraanngg]

So they admitted having sex with her , they admitted they did the crime to a human right official...I'm still confused why so many people still defend them ??

Where have they admitted having sex with her?

Meanwhile, Parinya Sirisarakarn, a member of the National Human Rights Commission (NHRC), yesterday gave new information about forensic evidence and claims made by the two suspects - Maung Saw and Maung Win - whom he had met.

He said they told him they had not used condoms while sexually violating the female victim, contrary to earlier police statements that sperm carrying their DNA was found on the outside of condoms.

http://www.nationmultimedia.com/national/Prosecutors-seek-changes-30245052.html 09 OCT 2014

Thanks, so all that should need to be done is a DNA test in the UK which i presume is part of the procedure, then if it matches stone the bstrds .... and if it doesnt let them go.

[ClutchClark]

"He said they told him they had not used condoms while sexually violating the female victim, contrary to earlier police statements that sperm carrying their DNA was found on the outside of condoms."

Have you heard of any rapist using condoms?

Actually, yes, rapists will use condoms to prevent DNA Identification.

What I haven't heard of is Thai men using condoms. According to my wife and her friends, Thai men seldom wear condoms. Not sure about Burmese though.

Yes all those condoms in 7-11 esq shops are never bought by Thai males, theyre good Catholic boys.

And which barstool were you sat on when you heard about rapists procedurally using condoms?

Seriously some of you that are typing constantly are just writing utter nonsense.

Its unfortunate when you have to change anothers post in order to create an argument.

I simply responded that rapists have been known to wear condoms in order to avoid being identified. Thats not rocket science.

As for who buys condoms at 7/11...well, I have never given that the thought you apparently have. Its good to hear those are bought by Thai males. Are you suggesting that because some condoms are worn by Thais that all Thais wear condoms then? I suppose I had better correct the Thai women friends of my wife and tell them that a guy named farang knows quite alot more about the Thai male sexual practices than they do.