boomerangutang Posted November 17, 2014 Share Posted November 17, 2014 Years ago Australia had big problems with police corruption and a Royal Commission was called to sort it out , can the same be done in thailand ? Not a chance. Thais are too subjective and beholden to several masters. Perhaps if you brought in half-Thais who grew up overseas, like the USA, it might work, because they wouldn't necessarily have the multiple affiliations that all Thais are required to have. Same in politics as in police work, there are simply no Thais in Thailand who are able to be objective (as regards a commission), even if they tried. lawyer U Aung Myo Thant. I wonder if he's related to U Thant, who was the UN's first Secretary General (I didn't google it, so am just going on synapses). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
meand Posted November 18, 2014 Share Posted November 18, 2014 Thais will do whatever they have to do to make the charges stick to the innocent. Then they'll get away with it and do it again and again a and again ad nauseam. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
boomerangutang Posted February 26, 2015 Share Posted February 26, 2015 Yes, the got indicted. Now the long wait for the trial. They'll be jailed for at least a year, until judge(s) declare their finding - and then probably jailed longer (no bail) while appeals crank slowly through the Thai legal system. Sad to be slapped in prison for so long, when their guilt is doubtful. Even offers by the Burmese government to post bail (if bail was an option) and vouch for the boys not fleeing - was abruptly turned down by the Thai government. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post thailandchilli Posted February 26, 2015 Popular Post Share Posted February 26, 2015 Yes, the got indicted. Now the long wait for the trial. They'll be jailed for at least a year, until judge(s) declare their finding - and then probably jailed longer (no bail) while appeals crank slowly through the Thai legal system. Sad to be slapped in prison for so long, when their guilt is doubtful. Even offers by the Burmese government to post bail (if bail was an option) and vouch for the boys not fleeing - was abruptly turned down by the Thai government. Apparently bail is going to be applied for again, the defense has 2 million baht ready. Will they get bail..............................unlikley 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
greenchair Posted February 26, 2015 Share Posted February 26, 2015 Yes, the got indicted. Now the long wait for the trial. They'll be jailed for at least a year, until judge(s) declare their finding - and then probably jailed longer (no bail) while appeals crank slowly through the Thai legal system. Sad to be slapped in prison for so long, when their guilt is doubtful. Even offers by the Burmese government to post bail (if bail was an option) and vouch for the boys not fleeing - was abruptly turned down by the Thai government. Apparently bail is going to be applied for again, the defense has 2 million baht ready. Will they get bail..............................unlikley Oh really, where did you hear that? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jdinasia Posted February 26, 2015 Share Posted February 26, 2015 They are indicted. They will have a trial. Bail from a foreign government will not be offered, though a bail fund raised by some members of a Myanmar's Parliament has been mentioned. Where the funds come from is irrelevant if bail is not granted by the court. Foreign governments cannot intervene directly in the legal system of another country. This is even more important when you have British victims, Malaysian defendants, and a Thai court. It simply has to play out. Pleas can be made, but we only have to look at Indonesia and the 2 Australian drug smugglers to see the results. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Maestro Posted February 26, 2015 Share Posted February 26, 2015 Removed an off-topic post. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
catsanddogs Posted February 26, 2015 Share Posted February 26, 2015 Yes, the got indicted. Now the long wait for the trial. They'll be jailed for at least a year, until judge(s) declare their finding - and then probably jailed longer (no bail) while appeals crank slowly through the Thai legal system. Sad to be slapped in prison for so long, when their guilt is doubtful. Even offers by the Burmese government to post bail (if bail was an option) and vouch for the boys not fleeing - was abruptly turned down by the Thai government. Apparently bail is going to be applied for again, the defense has 2 million baht ready. Will they get bail..............................unlikley Doubtful indeed. They don't want them out of jail because they don't want anyone to hear anything they have to say. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thailandchilli Posted February 26, 2015 Share Posted February 26, 2015 Yes, the got indicted. Now the long wait for the trial. They'll be jailed for at least a year, until judge(s) declare their finding - and then probably jailed longer (no bail) while appeals crank slowly through the Thai legal system. Sad to be slapped in prison for so long, when their guilt is doubtful. Even offers by the Burmese government to post bail (if bail was an option) and vouch for the boys not fleeing - was abruptly turned down by the Thai government. Apparently bail is going to be applied for again, the defense has 2 million baht ready. Will they get bail..............................unlikley Oh really, where did you hear that? Its mentioned in this article published a couple of days ago http://www.mizzima.com/mizzima-news/myanmar/item/18118-myanmar-team-calls-for-more-money-for-koh-tao-murder-suspects Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
greenchair Posted February 26, 2015 Share Posted February 26, 2015 Yes, the got indicted. Now the long wait for the trial. They'll be jailed for at least a year, until judge(s) declare their finding - and then probably jailed longer (no bail) while appeals crank slowly through the Thai legal system. Sad to be slapped in prison for so long, when their guilt is doubtful. Even offers by the Burmese government to post bail (if bail was an option) and vouch for the boys not fleeing - was abruptly turned down by the Thai government. Apparently bail is going to be applied for again, the defense has 2 million baht ready. Will they get bail..............................unlikley Oh really, where did you hear that? Its mentioned in this article published a couple of days ago http://www.mizzima.com/mizzima-news/myanmar/item/18118-myanmar-team-calls-for-more-money-for-koh-tao-murder-suspects That's interesting . Wouldn't it be lovely if they got bail . 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jimmybkk Posted February 26, 2015 Share Posted February 26, 2015 They are indicted. They will have a trial. Bail from a foreign government will not be offered, though a bail fund raised by some members of a Myanmar's Parliament has been mentioned. Where the funds come from is irrelevant if bail is not granted by the court. Foreign governments cannot intervene directly in the legal system of another country. This is even more important when you have British victims, Malaysian defendants, and a Thai court. It simply has to play out. Pleas can be made, but we only have to look at Indonesia and the 2 Australian drug smugglers to see the results. I think you are getting confused. Malaysian defendants? A drug smuggling case in Indonesia? Totally unrelated. Totally irrelevant. Why mention it? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jdinasia Posted February 26, 2015 Share Posted February 26, 2015 They are indicted. They will have a trial. Bail from a foreign government will not be offered, though a bail fund raised by some members of a Myanmar's Parliament has been mentioned. Where the funds come from is irrelevant if bail is not granted by the court. Foreign governments cannot intervene directly in the legal system of another country. This is even more important when you have British victims, Malaysian defendants, and a Thai court. It simply has to play out. Pleas can be made, but we only have to look at Indonesia and the 2 Australian drug smugglers to see the results. I think you are getting confused. Malaysian defendants? A drug smuggling case in Indonesia? Totally unrelated. Totally irrelevant. Why mention it? Pardon the auto fill mistake re: Myanmar and Malaysia The other stands Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
boomerangutang Posted February 26, 2015 Share Posted February 26, 2015 "All the Scotland Yard aunties and the British ambassador were so impressed that they asked the Thai police to come to the UK to train their own police. Even more important than the praise heaped on Thai police by the Brits was their admission that the Thai police used more advanced equipment and techniques in the investigation than their own." Here's an added belly laugh: Brit ambassador Kent doing his impersonation of Neville Chamberlain Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jimmybkk Posted February 26, 2015 Share Posted February 26, 2015 They are indicted. They will have a trial. Bail from a foreign government will not be offered, though a bail fund raised by some members of a Myanmar's Parliament has been mentioned. Where the funds come from is irrelevant if bail is not granted by the court. Foreign governments cannot intervene directly in the legal system of another country. This is even more important when you have British victims, Malaysian defendants, and a Thai court. It simply has to play out. Pleas can be made, but we only have to look at Indonesia and the 2 Australian drug smugglers to see the results. I think you are getting confused. Malaysian defendants? A drug smuggling case in Indonesia? Totally unrelated. Totally irrelevant. Why mention it? Pardon the auto fill mistake re: Myanmar and Malaysia The other stands Taking the fifth on that one then... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jdinasia Posted February 26, 2015 Share Posted February 26, 2015 Nope. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jimmybkk Posted February 26, 2015 Share Posted February 26, 2015 Aahhh ok. Got it. You were trying to get this thread shut down by taking it off topic. Tsk tsk... That's really rather naughty JD, and frankly I expected more of you than that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jdinasia Posted February 26, 2015 Share Posted February 26, 2015 Aahhh ok. Got it. You were trying to get this thread shut down by taking it off topic. Tsk tsk... That's really rather naughty JD, and frankly I expected more of you than that. Nope, I was remarking on the idea of bail. Since the event predicted in the topic has happened, this is all off topic. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post jimmybkk Posted February 26, 2015 Popular Post Share Posted February 26, 2015 Strike 2... a lot less refined this time though... Nope, I was remarking on the idea of bail.Since the event predicted in the topic has happened, this is all off topic. Nope - you were remarking on the idea of a clemency plea and suggesting it would be futile based on events in Indonesia. Different country... different crime...different government... different laws... but hey, don't let that stop you from using it as a guideline and reference for this case. Back on to the topic of the 2 Burmese lads indicted in Thailand... I read this earlier and I think it is quite telling (it refers to a Thai officer at the Thai Corrections Department): "A high-ranking officer at the Corrections Department once revealed in a TV interview his belief that half of all prisoners were scapegoats." I'm not allowed to provide the source but it's easy enough to find. Now, if it's even close to being true, that's quite an amazing statement, don't you think? A statement like that could get you reaching for the tin foil... 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
greenchair Posted February 26, 2015 Share Posted February 26, 2015 Aahhh ok. Got it. You were trying to get this thread shut down by taking it off topic. Tsk tsk... That's really rather naughty JD, and frankly I expected more of you than that. Really we must vigilant and stay on the topic of the b2. I do believe many many prisoners are innocent . They cannot afford lawyer lawyers for appeals . Some of them don't even know how to appeal . The b2 are very very lucky , they have a government that stands by them . ???? 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HeijoshinCool Posted February 27, 2015 Share Posted February 27, 2015 I spotted an interesting article in Thai Rath over the week end, the gist of which I summarize below for the benefit of those who cannot read Thai. "After the Koh Tao murders a crazy conspiracy developed with a view to making Thai people bitterly hate Thai police. They have repeatedly incited their friends to believe that Thai police looked for Burmese scapegoats to get forced confessions. After the dust had settled and the social media idiots all returned to America, it turned out after 3 DNA tests that the police were right. Scotland Yard and the British Ambassador, who spent a long time engrossed in the case, asked to see all the details of the DNA tests of 300 people on Koh Tao and the taking of samples. All the Scotland Yard aunties and the British ambassador were so impressed that they asked the Thai police to come to the UK to train their own police. Even more important than the praise heaped on Thai police by the Brits was their admission that the Thai police used more advanced equipment and techniques in the investigation than their own. Once the imaginative fantasies are over, hopefully people will stop criticizing Thai police." . "All the Scotland Yard aunties and the British ambassador were so impressed that they asked the Thai police to come to the UK to train their own police. Even more important than the praise heaped on Thai police by the Brits was their admission that the Thai police used more advanced equipment and techniques in the investigation than their own." Yes, the FBI crime lab has also formally requested Thai police come to America and properly train the FBI's people. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post seahorse Posted February 27, 2015 Popular Post Share Posted February 27, 2015 Going back to the topic of the walking man in the black shirt from the thread that was recently closed (much to the delight of Ali G and his gang (absolutely no respect from me btw)). Surely he is the plus one of the B2+1 whose name I'm not sure of (is it Maung Maung?). The B2 said they went for a swim, no? When Mr Plus One came out of the water, he could have swapped shirts with his mate before going to see his girl. That cctv image could be used by the defence as evidence. This guy seems like a hero to me. He refused to dob in his mates even when tortured. I'd like to hear more from him. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
greenchair Posted February 27, 2015 Share Posted February 27, 2015 That is why this picture is significant. If it can be shown the time on the left is correct, it means it cannot be Maung Maung. They were on the motorbike at that time. The reason who this is; is important can be shown because of another picture with this same man walking back with no jandal. There was a bloody jandal found at the scene. Probably this person was there. Is it Maung Maung or not? ??? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jdinasia Posted February 27, 2015 Share Posted February 27, 2015 But the topic of this thread is Koh Tao suspects to be indicted by the end of the month. They have been indicted. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jai Dee Posted February 27, 2015 Share Posted February 27, 2015 One baiting post and subsequent replies have been removed from this thread. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post greenchair Posted February 27, 2015 Popular Post Share Posted February 27, 2015 But the topic of this thread is Koh Tao suspects to be indicted by the end of the month. They have been indicted. Well when the mods in their great wisdom decided to downsize some of the KT topics. The topic burmese are believed to be innocent (which would have suited out conversation )was closed. This was the topic left open. I did point out at the time that this heading is no longer of use as every post would be off topic. The mods kindly acknowledged my issue and said it would not be a problem. All discussion about kt would be under this heading and another heading. (Another heading which a different mod has closed precisely because of that reason. The topic was no longer relevant ) So stop trying to close down our interesting discussions for your own self gratefication. The mods told me it was fine. ??? 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jai Dee Posted February 27, 2015 Share Posted February 27, 2015 Please do not discuss forum moderation. From the Forum Rules: 10) Do not discuss moderation publicly in the open forum; this includes individual actions, and specific or general policies and issues. You may send a PM to a moderator to discuss individual actions or email support (at) thaivisa.com to discuss moderation policy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post berybert Posted February 27, 2015 Popular Post Share Posted February 27, 2015 But the topic of this thread is Koh Tao suspects to be indicted by the end of the month. They have been indicted. Yes well noticed. Now that has happened does it mean we can no longer talk about it ? The RTP said they did it so it must be true. For you the war is over. Move on. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jdinasia Posted February 27, 2015 Share Posted February 27, 2015 There's no "war" for me. I am looking forward to the trial. I am interested in seeing the actual evidence. Telling me to "move on" isn't appropriate. I choose not to post often on the Koh Tao threads because people who think that they have the killers in custody are shouted down or accused of having financial interests on the island. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thailandchilli Posted February 27, 2015 Share Posted February 27, 2015 There's no "war" for me. I am looking forward to the trial. I am interested in seeing the actual evidence. Telling me to "move on" isn't appropriate. I choose not to post often on the Koh Tao threads because people who think that they have the killers in custody are shouted down or accused of having financial interests on the island. Your looking forward to the trial regardless, we are looking forward to a fair and transparent trial and evidence that is not suspect being presented, a huge difference, its a difference between justice and the perversion of justice 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jdinasia Posted February 27, 2015 Share Posted February 27, 2015 There's no "war" for me. I am looking forward to the trial. I am interested in seeing the actual evidence. Telling me to "move on" isn't appropriate. I choose not to post often on the Koh Tao threads because people who think that they have the killers in custody are shouted down or accused of having financial interests on the island. Your looking forward to the trial regardless, we are looking forward to a fair and transparent trial and evidence that is not suspect being presented, a huge difference, its a difference between justice and the perversion of justice There you go again telling me what I think. I am interested in seeing the actual evidence. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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