Pheu Thai, UDD boycott 'won't hurt charter'

[tbthailand]

They would have to come up with some "truly democratic ideas" before they could propose them.

Their problem at the moment (and with a few posters here) is that all they will do is say "Junta therefore constitution bad", when 90% of this constitution will most likely be exactly the same as the 1997 "peoples" constitution.

To be more effective, they need to be specific about their criticisms and explain why they don't like particular sections. Of course they could do that with out being involved, but I think it would be more effective for them if they were involved.

They may come with dangerous and undemocratic ideas such as "one man, one vote" and "elected members"

The key part there is "come up with".

Doesn't Thailand already have one man, one vote?

For the time being Thailand has nothing....

What I mean is one can blah blah endlessly about "creative charter drafting", proposing new ideas, etc...

At the end, only a few uncreative principles are important:

- how is the "one man, one vote" system applied, if applied (i.e. in a regional system like in the US, some regions have a better MP/elector ratio than others),Will there be non elected members along elected ones?

- what is the power of elected members vs nominated members? (especially in Thailand we know how they are nominated)

you mention the US and that is appropriate here. In the US, gerrymandering has proven that you can artificially make some votes count for more and others count for less.

I imagine the next constitution will have plenty of that in order to allow the military/royalist parties to finally 'win' an 'election', but let's wait and see.

[whybother]

Be specific, yes.

90% the same, therefore it can't be all bad, no.

the relative democratic nature of an altered constitution is not directly proportional to the quantity of changed text.

Correct. So deal with the changed text. Don't dump the whole thing.

[Baerboxer]

Same old rhetoric from the yellow dem junta supporters.

Not everybody hi Thailand that is anti junta is a red supporter .

An election under the constitution was called legally the yellow dems stopped the people from voting and not all of them were either dem or PTP supporters yet they were denied their right to cast a vote.

Didn't see the military protecting their rights.

No but we did hear from the self proclaimed peoples champion that the coup had been planned months before it happened.

That's why he is out of the picture and and pretending to be a monk because of letting that little gem out of the bag.

Wouldn't the job of protecting rights be that of the police?

That would be the same police who couldn't or wouldn't stop the attacks on and murders of protesters against the Shin regime though.

The EC pointed out issues to the PTP caretaker administration which it not only chose to ignore but attacked and threatened the EC for daring to mention them,

Any election held in the midst of intimidation, threats, murders, and attacks being carried out on any who dare oppose the Shin regime is not really democratic, now is it?

Not everyone in Thailand that wanted to see the very ineffective corrupt Shin regime removed supports a military junta either.

[mikemac]

I think PTP and the UDD boycotting anything would be a plus, they have proved time and time again they have nothing worthwhile to contribute to the country except for graft, corruption, greed and terrorism.

In any other country they would all be in prison now.

Are the PTP supporters on TVF really that dense that they could not see the sins that were committed by that poor excuse for a political party.

If so, the support the Shins receive on TVF is really not worth much, and it is no surprise that some people "think" that some members are paid to post pro-Shin comments, for what they are worth.

[tbthailand]

Be specific, yes.

90% the same, therefore it can't be all bad, no.

the relative democratic nature of an altered constitution is not directly proportional to the quantity of changed text.

Correct. So deal with the changed text. Don't dump the whole thing.

My first thought is that you know the goals of the current 'CDC' and 'NCPO'...

And the second is let's see what they come up with.

If the goal were to improve the constitution then your approach would make sense.

[tbthailand]

Same old rhetoric from the yellow dem junta supporters.

Not everybody hi Thailand that is anti junta is a red supporter .

An election under the constitution was called legally the yellow dems stopped the people from voting and not all of them were either dem or PTP supporters yet they were denied their right to cast a vote.

Didn't see the military protecting their rights.

No but we did hear from the self proclaimed peoples champion that the coup had been planned months before it happened.

That's why he is out of the picture and and pretending to be a monk because of letting that little gem out of the bag.

Wouldn't the job of protecting rights be that of the police?

That would be the same police who couldn't or wouldn't stop the attacks on and murders of protesters against the Shin regime though.

The EC pointed out issues to the PTP caretaker administration which it not only chose to ignore but attacked and threatened the EC for daring to mention them,

Any election held in the midst of intimidation, threats, murders, and attacks being carried out on any who dare oppose the Shin regime is not really democratic, now is it?

Not everyone in Thailand that wanted to see the very ineffective corrupt Shin regime removed supports a military junta either.

with regards to elections, I think you confuse the participants in

intimidation, threats, murders, and attacks being carried out ON any who dare oppose the Shin regime

with the ones actually doing such things, being,

intimidation, threats, murders, and attacks being carried out BY...