Myanmar says workers innocent of murdering Britons on Koh Tao

[rockingrobin]

Regarding the cctv, is it not the case , the guy was seen walking at approx 3:40 and running back 4:50

I wil try to post a link to the footage

[loonodingle]

I have not seen any evidence that nomsod was involved other than the fact that video was altered and he found need to lie for some reason. Mon is a much stronger suspect in my mind. Simply because everywhere you turn. There he is. Staring right out of the pictures. With feeble excuses about why he was in all of those places that he shouldn't have been. The police were sure it was him and another migrant worker. Then he walks into the police station with his brother. ?suddenly it isn't him.

In the very initial day or so the Father stated the son had had to return to Bangkok in a hurry as he had exams. He said it himself. That was later retracted. Perhaps he didn't realise the gravity of the crime if it was that suspect. In the first instance he just may have relayed what he was told by a staff member. Then he viewed the scene and was further informed so they pulled the shutters down. Refused DNA Refused to share CCTV. The opposite reaction to what innocent people would do.

If me I would be saying come here lets play this cctv. get the TV crews in. Have a live playback. Here's our DNA.. Me, my family and staff.

[catsanddogs]

So thank you to rockin?

He pm me the article from a well known news. It clearly states that mon is this guy running. Apparently he was woken by the maid. Leaped out of bed and raced down to the beach half dressed to assess the situation. This run to me,

Seems a run of panic. He really wants to get somewhere and fast. I don't believe his story at all.

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Of course his story can't be believed. The bodies were discovered 6 - 6.30 am and running man almost naked is seen running in the hours BEFORE that. So if Mon can has clarified that this man is him he needs to also clarify why he was running around in his pants or shorts at the times shown on the CCTV cameras. If we could establish the truth of who this is in these stills then we would be getting somewhere.

Strange that with all the speculation about Mon about these murders and the death of Christina that he hasn't come out in the press to protest his innocence. Most innocent people do that because they want to get their names cleared.

[thailandchilli]

Mon goes to the beach first at.

3:44.15 then must have come back (no pic )

then again at

4:49.01 then come back

4:51.28 then go again (no pic)

Then come back again running.

5:41.50

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I may be wrong, but I dont think this is Mon. If he was notified about the murders from the cleaners then I doubt they would have started working before 5am. I think he is a crucial part to this case but but I'm not convinced yet that this is him in the cctv

[catsanddogs]

as an addendum to my post above: The story attributed to Mon, of a maid waking him up, and he jumping out of bed and running through a public thoroughfare with just boxer shorts, is not believable for at least three reasons. Some of the reasons have been mentioned earlier by other posters, but let me just reiterate:

>>> No Thai runs out the door - in to a public space without getting dressed. It just doesn't happen.

>>> Yes, there's zero footage of a maid anywhere, going any direction. If the mystery woman saw something and went to report to the pu yai (Big Man Mon) about it, she would have been shown in one of the CCTV's.

>>> As mentioned in my post (above) it's more believable that the man in the white shorts is Nomsod. So, if Mon claims it was him, then it's likely a cover for his nephew. Plus, Mon is buddies with cops, so he's teflon coated - he can venture forth with a story to shield his nephew, without fear of being seriously implicated.

Don't forget about the running woman caught on CCTV which the police said could be Hannah or a witness. Maybe we could petition the RTP/Thai PM to release all the CCTV? Along with that taken at the bars. The fact that they have only made snippets available is tantamount to propaganda.

[thailandchilli]

as an addendum to my post above: The story attributed to Mon, of a maid waking him up, and he jumping out of bed and running through a public thoroughfare with just boxer shorts, is not believable for at least three reasons. Some of the reasons have been mentioned earlier by other posters, but let me just reiterate:

>>> No Thai runs out the door - in to a public space without getting dressed. It just doesn't happen.

>>> Yes, there's zero footage of a maid anywhere, going any direction. If the mystery woman saw something and went to report to the pu yai (Big Man Mon) about it, she would have been shown in one of the CCTV's.

>>> As mentioned in my post (above) it's more believable that the man in the white shorts is Nomsod. So, if Mon claims it was him, then it's likely a cover for his nephew. Plus, Mon is buddies with cops, so he's teflon coated - he can venture forth with a story to shield his nephew, without fear of being seriously implicated.

Don't forget about the running woman caught on CCTV which the police said could be Hannah or a witness. Maybe we could petition the RTP/Thai PM to release all the CCTV? Along with that taken at the bars. The fact that they have only made snippets available is tantamount to propaganda.

Yes the cctv of the running western woman has never been released, why? Why should the RTP mention it to reporters and then not release it leading to speculation, there must be a reason.

I'm also still interested in this pic

Police have used superimposition, a specialised forensic medical technique, to compare an image of a man captured by a surveillance camera with the pictures of suspects and expect to find the murderers of two British tourists on Ko Tao in a few days.

The superimposition technique was applied to two of three suspects who allegedly molested Hannah Witheridge, one of the murdered tourists,on Sept 15, the night of the murder. A tourist had photographed them before the killings. http://www.nationmultimedia.com/webmobile/national/Police-use-superimposition-technique-to-identify-k-30243922.html

According to this they had actual suspects of 3 men who molested Hannah

Edited January 25, 2015 by thailandchilli

[rockingrobin]

GC

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Posted by Islandlife on 2014-11-05 13:05:32 in Thailand News

I can explain last 2 , he got waken up by myanmar cleaner who founded bodies, then he stayed there called police to scene and thats all . U must also remember this kind of shit dont happen here so my quess is police is was bit lost at start wich explains meny commenting. At europe they would have one pr police who gives all statements.


Sean mcanna again was compulsive liar and was never threatened but was chased to super market bcase they actually thought he accidently confessed. Even western bar manager opposite of supermarket and girl working at market said he was going around like a mad man all over the shop.


They called police not mr mcanna at start. But as in 3-4 am at morning when this happened after
mr mc anna had been drinking heavily around the clock . Hes delucional stories carried him even deeper. Police man who arrived was in civil clothes and even he shoved badge bcase he had gun . This idiot created a story hes from mafia and there 2 kill him...

Finally 2 officers arrived in uniform and this guy left the market.

But damage was done hes post was spreading and suddenly it was mafia trying kill him.

Ridiculous,absolutely ridiculous.
Even the sky news reporter later admitted he got fooled by Sean and by the way .

Where is he now ?? !! ??

[loonodingle]

Mon goes to the beach first at.

3:44.15 then must have come back (no pic )

then again at

4:49.01 then come back

4:51.28 then go again (no pic)

Then come back again running.

5:41.50

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I may be wrong, but I dont think this is Mon. If he was notified about the murders from the cleaners then I doubt they would have started working before 5am. I think he is a crucial part to this case but but I'm not convinced yet that this is him in the cctv

Mon and Sean McAnna are very important. Sean McAnna has something on Mon. He was lucky to leave the Island with his life IMHO. Why Sean? What does he Know? 2 important thugs I hope we find the truth to

[loonodingle]

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Posted by Islandlife on 2014-11-05 13:05:32 in Thailand News

I can explain last 2 , he got waken up by myanmar cleaner who founded bodies, then he stayed there called police to scene and thats all . U must also remember this kind of shit dont happen here so my quess is police is was bit lost at start wich explains meny commenting. At europe they would have one pr police who gives all statements.

Sean mcanna again was compulsive liar and was never threatened but was chased to super market bcase they actually thought he accidently confessed. Even western bar manager opposite of supermarket and girl working at market said he was going around like a mad man all over the shop.

They called police not mr mcanna at start. But as in 3-4 am at morning when this happened after

mr mc anna had been drinking heavily around the clock . Hes delucional stories carried him even deeper. Police man who arrived was in civil clothes and even he shoved badge bcase he had gun . This idiot created a story hes from mafia and there 2 kill him...

Finally 2 officers arrived in uniform and this guy left the market.

But damage was done hes post was spreading and suddenly it was mafia trying kill him.

Ridiculous,absolutely ridiculous.

Even the sky news reporter later admitted he got fooled by Sean and by the way .

Where is he now ?? !! ??

He was going around the shop like a madman because he knows what these people can do. Nothing to do with the drink. He had an injury similar to David he claimed was from a Motorcycle accident that no grazing around. He then changed it to he was stabbed over a room to rent.

In fact you could be Sean..... if you are well you know where you are. And so do I Sean...

[greenchair]

So from 3:44 to 5:41 mon was running back and forth, back and forth. So the cleaner must have started work at 3:30 (about)

And it was reported to the 1 policeman on the island at around 6:00-6:30.

2 hours after mon first went down there. That's if cleaners start at 3:30.

I shall absorb this for a minute

Since I can see. Something is not right here ????

[loonodingle]

So from 3:44 to 5:41 mon was running back and forth, back and forth. So the cleaner must have started work at 3:30 (about)

And it was reported to the 1 policeman on the island at around 6:00-6:30.

2 hours after mon first went down there. That's if cleaners start at 3:30.

I shall absorb this for a minute

Since I can see. Something is not right here ????

cleaners reported around 6am not before

[greenchair]

Thanks rockin? .but I want to post the article from the police.

But it is in Bkk. Is there another way we can post that story. It clearly shows, this picture is mon.

[thailandchilli]

Thanks rockin? .but I want to post the article from the police.

But it is in Bkk. Is there another way we can post that story. It clearly shows, this picture is mon.

You can take a screenshot and then post it, thats acceptable as its not actually linking to BP

Edited January 25, 2015 by thailandchilli

[boomerangutang]

Jeezo, I wish the Brits or French or Americans would send a team over, and be allowed to investigate. There are more holes in this faux-investigation than a truckload of Swiss cheese. Even of I was a part of the Headman's family, I would feel compelled to clear the air. Holding back the truth, and enabling very bad people to continue to hang out at the island alongside impressionable, young, drunk, pretty farang chicks, .....is criminal.

Parents, if you have any teenagers who are planning to visit Thailand as tourists, I recommend you tell them the following (though, they're not likely to take advice from their parents):

>>> don't assume smiling strangers are good-willed

>>> men want to have sex with pretty young farang gals, regardless of what the men say to divert that fact.

>>> Thai men go nuts for pretty blondes, and they think all farang chicks are easy prey.

>>> Don't assume people, particularly men on the prowl, are telling the truth. They will say whatever they think needs to be said to get in a girl's panties.

>>> Be very careful with drinks. Not just at Ko Tao, but all backpacker tourist beaches in Thailand have the potential for 'mickeys.'

>>> Don't drink too much alcoholic stuff.

>>> always have someone close by, like a good guy or 2 from your country, who might help you in a tough spot.

>>> Don't assume Thai men are gentlemen, regardless of how they act and what they say. They're experts at acting demure, but don't be fooled.

>>> Thai men get offended very easily and have been known to react with extreme vindictiveness. Muslims are like that also, but it's a different topic.

[greenchair]

Thanks rockin? .but I want to post the article from the police.

But it is in Bkk. Is there another way we can post that story. It clearly shows, this picture is mon.

You can take a screenshot and then post it, thats acceptable as its not actually linking to BP

I thought we were not allowed to quote directly from bkk.

[thailandchilli]

Thanks rockin? .but I want to post the article from the police.

But it is in Bkk. Is there another way we can post that story. It clearly shows, this picture is mon.

You can take a screenshot and then post it, thats acceptable as its not actually linking to BP

I thought we were not allowed to quote directly from bkk.

If you take a screenshot then you are not quoting or linking, it is an image.

[boomerangutang]

So from 3:44 to 5:41 mon was running back and forth, back and forth. So the cleaner must have started work at 3:30 (about)

And it was reported to the 1 policeman on the island at around 6:00-6:30.

2 hours after mon first went down there. That's if cleaners start at 3:30.

I shall absorb this for a minute

Since I can see. Something is not right here ????

Cleaners at beach resorts most likely start their shifts at 6 am. In rare scenarios they may start at 5 am, but certainly not 3:30 am. Someone who speaks Thai could make some calls to island tel.#s to find out. The more the cleaning crew is mentioned, the more it appears they may have some interesting observations to add to the mix. When did they first see the crime scene? What did they do? Who did they notify? Did they clean up at the crime scene at all? It wouldn't surprise those of us knowledgeable about Thailand, if cleaners did start straightening up the scene, not knowing at the time, to leave it 100% untouched.

It's happened, in Thailand, where hotel cleaners have come upon a bloody crime scene, and started cleaning up before cops arrived.

[greenchair]

So from 3:44 to 5:41 mon was running back and forth, back and forth. So the cleaner must have started work at 3:30 (about)

And it was reported to the 1 policeman on the island at around 6:00-6:30.

2 hours after mon first went down there. That's if cleaners start at 3:30.

I shall absorb this for a minute

Since I can see. Something is not right here ????

cleaners reported around 6am not before

On reading the story it doesn't actually say cleaners. But just he was woken.

Still his story can't be right. Because as you say it wasn't reported until 6.

But when you think about it. He was running back at 5:41 so that give him time to change into full dress and go back to beach. Just in time to call the police with the cleaners. ☎

[loonodingle]

So from 3:44 to 5:41 mon was running back and forth, back and forth. So the cleaner must have started work at 3:30 (about)

And it was reported to the 1 policeman on the island at around 6:00-6:30.

2 hours after mon first went down there. That's if cleaners start at 3:30.

I shall absorb this for a minute

Since I can see. Something is not right here ????

cleaners reported around 6am not before

On reading the story it doesn't actually say cleaners. But just he was woken.

Still his story can't be right. Because as you say it wasn't reported until 6.

But when you think about it. He was running back at 5:41 so that give him time to change into full dress and go back to beach. Just in time to call the police with the cleaners. ☎

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2777726/Myanmar-worker-admits-British-murders-Thailand-police.html

Around 150 additional police officers have posted to Koh Tao to assist the murder investigation.

The probe was launched after cleaners found the bodies of Miss Witheridge and Mr Miller on a beach on 15 September.

Both victims suffered severe head injuries at the hands of their killers, and a bloodied garden hoe was found nearby.

http://www.wsj.com/articles/killings-unsettle-a-thai-island-refuge-1410964023

The two groups of friends attended a beach party near the hotel where they were all staying, Ocean View. Police say Mr. Miller and Ms. Witheridge left after midnight. At 6.20 a.m., a group of beach-cleaners found their bodies. Mr. Miller was naked, with deep gashes to his torso and head. Ms. Witheridge was partially undressed and had suffered severe facial injuries.

http://www.reuters.com/article/2014/10/22/us-thailand-britain-murder-idUSKCN0IB0JR20141022

The bodies of Hannah Witheridge, 23, and David Miller, 24, were discovered on Sept. 15 by cleaners on a beach on Koh Tao, an island in the south of Thailand famous for its diving. Post-mortem examinations showed both suffered severe head wounds and Witheridge was raped.

[rockingrobin]

GC not sure which article but here is one where the police confirm Mon is cctv

http://www.chiangraitimes.com/police-release-suspects-in-murder-of-two-brits-in-koh-tao.html

[greenchair]

Loony I didn't mean they weren't discovered by cleaners. I meant it didn't say mon was woken by cleaners.

[greenchair]

GC not sure which article but here is one where the police confirm Mon is cctv

http://www.chiangraitimes.com/police-release-suspects-in-murder-of-two-brits-in-koh-tao.html

Wow, you have been working hard. In that story, it clearly states mon is in the video.

There is one more story. In the next story they give the explaination of why mon was there. But regardless, he has lied. Since the bodies were found at 6 . But he was supposedly running down the beach to check on the crime well before that. If you ask me, he has more to answer to than any other suspect. Including the b2. ????

[greenchair]

I go sleep now ???

[loonodingle]

GC. Wasn't sure if u was confused about the time the cleaners found them. 6.20am. So if Mon was running get around he better have another excuse

[catsanddogs]

GC not sure which article but here is one where the police confirm Mon is cctv

http://www.chiangraitimes.com/police-release-suspects-in-murder-of-two-brits-in-koh-tao.html

Wow, you have been working hard. In that story, it clearly states mon is in the video.

There is one more story. In the next story they give the explaination of why mon was there. But regardless, he has lied. Since the bodies were found at 6 . But he was supposedly running down the beach to check on the crime well before that. If you ask me, he has more to answer to than any other suspect. Including the b2. ????

Agree. And quite possible that Mon's DNA was a positive.

From the Chiangratimes article -

Both cooperated with the police and they denied they had any connection to the murders.

DNA samples of the two brothers were collecting for testing and were later proved to not match with DNA collected from the scene and the victim’s body.

Pol Lt-Gen Panya Mamen then stated that the suspects were not arrested but were just in police custody and that more test would be conducted. They are still hunting for another suspect who is the son of the AC Bar’s owner and was reported to flee into Bangkok.

Kept them in police custody even though their DNA did not match? A lot of chat went down then I expect between Mon and RTP. The start of the grand plan maybe.

Edited January 25, 2015 by catsanddogs

[catsanddogs]

September 16th -

Police last night released CCTV footage of a man fleeing the spot where ­tragic backpacking pals Hannah ­Witheridge and David Miller were brutally battered to death .

Detectives hunting the killer have described him as the “chief suspect” in the shocking murders on a paradise island.

http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/world-news/thai-beach-murders-police-release-4272483

24th September

Police have confirmed that Montriwat is the man appeared in the CCTV video footage near the scene and they still did not rule out a possible connection.

Chiangraitimes

30th September

BANGKOK: -- Police are looking for a man shown in a video footage walking and running in shorts, bare-chested on a beach road on Koh Tao on the night two British backpackers were murdered hoping that he may provide a clue which may help resolve the case.

Pol Lt-Gen Panya Mamen, commissioner of Region 8 Provincial Police, has ordered the video footage to be shared out among the media in order that members of the public may be able to identify the man shown in the footage.

Analysis of the video footage by experts show that the unidentified man, about 160-170 cm in height, bare-chested and shoeless was caught by a CCTV camera in front of Good Health shop running toward Oceanville hotel at 3.45 am and returning at 4.49 am. He was expected to be around the hotel for about 45 minutes.

The second camera in front of In Touch shop shows the same man walking toward Oceanville hotel at 4.48 am and returning at 4.51 am and was believed at somewhere around the hotel for three minutes.

Pol Lt-Gen Panya appealed to anyone who might know the man in the footage to inform the police any time by calling Pol Lt-Col Thirasakdi Chanthrapipat at 089-7804056 and 087-5185777.

He said that police used to show the image of the man to several people on Koh Tao but none of them knew the man, hence, he would like people in and out of Koh Tao to help identify the man.

http://www.thaivisa.com/forum/topic/764534-koh-tao-police-look-for-man-in-vdo-footage-as-a-key-to-provide-clue-of-murder/

So on 16th September police were hunting the running man saying he was the chief suspect.

Then on 24th September police confirm that it is Mon in the CCTV but his DNA does not match but he is still being questioned and awaiting further tests and they were not ruling him out of the investigation (See Chiangraitimes posted previously for full details).

Then on 30th September the police share the video of running man to the public to see if anyone can identify who it is.

None of this makes sense. Why were they asking the public to identify running man when they had already said previously it was Mon?

[rockingrobin]

September 16th -

Police last night released CCTV footage of a man fleeing the spot where ­tragic backpacking pals Hannah ­Witheridge and David Miller were brutally battered to death .

Detectives hunting the killer have described him as the “chief suspect” in the shocking murders on a paradise island.

http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/world-news/thai-beach-murders-police-release-4272483

24th September

Police have confirmed that Montriwat is the man appeared in the CCTV video footage near the scene and they still did not rule out a possible connection.

Chiangraitimes

30th September

BANGKOK: -- Police are looking for a man shown in a video footage walking and running in shorts, bare-chested on a beach road on Koh Tao on the night two British backpackers were murdered hoping that he may provide a clue which may help resolve the case.

Pol Lt-Gen Panya Mamen, commissioner of Region 8 Provincial Police, has ordered the video footage to be shared out among the media in order that members of the public may be able to identify the man shown in the footage.

Analysis of the video footage by experts show that the unidentified man, about 160-170 cm in height, bare-chested and shoeless was caught by a CCTV camera in front of Good Health shop running toward Oceanville hotel at 3.45 am and returning at 4.49 am. He was expected to be around the hotel for about 45 minutes.

The second camera in front of In Touch shop shows the same man walking toward Oceanville hotel at 4.48 am and returning at 4.51 am and was believed at somewhere around the hotel for three minutes.

Pol Lt-Gen Panya appealed to anyone who might know the man in the footage to inform the police any time by calling Pol Lt-Col Thirasakdi Chanthrapipat at 089-7804056 and 087-5185777.

He said that police used to show the image of the man to several people on Koh Tao but none of them knew the man, hence, he would like people in and out of Koh Tao to help identify the man.

http://www.thaivisa.com/forum/topic/764534-koh-tao-police-look-for-man-in-vdo-footage-as-a-key-to-provide-clue-of-murder/

So on 16th September police were hunting the running man saying he was the chief suspect.

Then on 24th September police confirm that it is Mon in the CCTV but his DNA does not match but he is still being questioned and awaiting further tests and they were not ruling him out of the investigation (See Chiangraitimes posted previously for full details).

Then on 30th September the police share the video of running man to the public to see if anyone can identify who it is.

None of this makes sense. Why were they asking the public to identify running man when they had already said previously it was Mon?

I have some further info from another report , think its from the same date, not sure if it should be put out at the moment, need to give it further thought

[loonodingle]

Your still missing Sean McAnna's link.

Refer back to the paper report

Sean told The Telegraph News he had to run for his life from the island after he was threatened by local mafias, and posted the picture of two men which he took by his mobile phone.

Sean also said he was among a group of people playing guitar on the beach near the scene.

Mr. Montriwat discredited the Briton’s claim saying in fact on the night of the murder an employee of a spa has told him she helped to wash and clean blood from the face and body of Mr Sean who is a friend of the murdered David Miller.

He said he asked Mr Sean about the blood on his face and body and insisted on asking where he was that night.

http://www.chiangraitimes.com/police-release-suspects-in-murder-of-two-brits-in-koh-tao.html

Sean also said he was among a group of people playing guitar on the beach near the scene.

Edited January 25, 2015 by loonodingle

[rockingrobin]

The questions I have about sean Mcanna

In his video interview he states 3 guys sat down , who is the 3rd

He was drumk so answered there questions, this implies that if he was sober he would either not respond or give different answers.

I am still going through his interview, he calls the 7-11 a supermarket, whereass everybody usually would refer to it as 7-11

Why would he think he would be safe in 7-11, if he truly believed he was being chased by powerful mafia

why does he use an alias dating back to 2012

Sean Mcanna comes across as a unprincipled character and where he fits in I dont Know

[loonodingle]

The questions I have about sean Mcanna

In his video interview he states 3 guys sat down , who is the 3rd

He was drumk so answered there questions, this implies that if he was sober he would either not respond or give different answers.

I am still going through his interview, he calls the 7-11 a supermarket, whereass everybody usually would refer to it as 7-11

Why would he think he would be safe in 7-11, if he truly believed he was being chased by powerful mafia

why does he use an alias dating back to 2012

Sean Mcanna comes across as a unprincipled character and where he fits in I dont Know

Unprincipled?...LOl.. you can say that again he left Scotland after his conviction for downloading Child Porn.

Hardly boyfriend material for your daughter.

His name was correct prior to sept 2014 when he took his alias it renames all his previous posts.

Edited January 25, 2015 by loonodingle