Big TV Vs Projector

[AJBangkok]

A little off topic but the final components of my audio system for my tv room arrived today. The TV was mounted on the wall a week ago and I will meet with the guy who will install the system Sunday. He said it will take 2 days. On Monday the 2 sofas will arrive and hopefully I will be in TV heaven by the middle of next week. My system is an 84 inch LG UHD TV, Onkyo 1030 receiver, KEF center speaker and Subwoofer, and 6 ceiling mounted 8in KEF speakers. Everything bought locally except 3 of the KEF ceiling speakers ( the dealer here had run out) and 600 feet of pure copper speaker wire which I got from the states. I have an Intel i5 NUC box running windiws 8.1 as my HTPC. Plus the usual blue ray dvd and a couple if other boxes.

I'm not an audiophile, this is my first real sound system other than an out of the box home theatre system, so I spent hours surfing the web on systems brands etc. One of the things that freaked me out was when the dealer here said the wiring for the system would cost 80,000. That's more than I paid for the receiver ! I started reading about speaker wire and learnt that if you use pure copper 12 gauge wire then the difference is not really noticeable. The wire I bought from the states was a top performer in the reviews and total cost including shipping and import tax was around 8,000 baht.

[2fishin2]

You are getting hosed already! 2 days to set up a home theatre, I dont think so. 80,000 baht and you are providing the cable? Even in the west, people dont get paid 1200 a day for a simple setup. a knowledgeable person can do it in two hours. What brand and model wire did you get? What model speakers?

Edited February 20, 2015 by 2fishin2

[IMHO]

You are getting hosed already! 2 days to set up a home theatre, I dont think so. 80,000 baht and you are providing the cable? Even in the west, people dont get paid 1200 a day for a simple setup. a knowledgeable person can do it in two hours. What brand and model wire did you get? What model speakers?

He's not paying 80K baht

As for 2 days, it sounds like he needs 6x ceiling speakers installed, so it's not a 5 minute job, if done properly with ceiling strengthening, back boxes etc.

[AJBangkok]

Cost of installation will be around 8,000-10,000. i didn't pay 80k for soeaker wire, that's what the dealer quoted me. I ordered from the states and it cost around 8k.

Here a pic of the stuff getting ready

[Derek M]

No projector will outperform a modern television period.

I don't like the word "period". I have the same reaction that my old math teacher had when someone were using the word "obvious". You were then sent to the blackboard and asked to demonstrate thoroughly every single assertion that you had associated with that word. More than thirty years later I'm still careful with the use of "obvious" or "period" for that matter.

Ladyboys don't get the period, that's obvious! 555

you can get huge flat screen tv's these days, biggest I have seen is panasonic 100 inch!

[IMHO]

Cost of installation will be around 8,000-10,000. i didn't pay 80k for soeaker wire, that's what the dealer quoted me. I ordered from the states and it cost around 8k.

Here a pic of the stuff getting ready

Looks really nice. I doubt I'd have too much chance of making you jealous once it's all finished

[AJBangkok]

Hahaha don't worry in a couple of weeks there'll be trash everywhere.

[IMHO]

No projector will outperform a modern television period.

I don't like the word "period". I have the same reaction that my old math teacher had when someone were using the word "obvious". You were then sent to the blackboard and asked to demonstrate thoroughly every single assertion that you had associated with that word. More than thirty years later I'm still careful with the use of "obvious" or "period" for that matter.

Ladyboys don't get the period, that's obvious! 555

you can get huge flat screen tv's these days, biggest I have seen is panasonic 100 inch!

On the left is LG's 105" 5K 21:9 TV, the small TV on the right is their 98" 4K 16:9

My wife would kill me at current prices

[AJBangkok]

Those are awesome. . The problem is with big TV's the price drops are incredibly painful. I paid 320k for mine in December as I thought my condo renovations would be complete. Now the price us between 250k and 270k and in a few months I'm sure it will be offered somewhere for 199k. I don't look too smart today but hey sometimes you just have to bite the bullet and act.

If those 105 inch ever come down to 300k then I'll get one but I fear I may have to wait a long time.

[2fishin2]

If you mount the speakers on the ceiling, you will be missing much. Speakers need to be placed at the listeners level in order to achieve max performance. Where do you plan on placing the speakers? Again what model of speakers do you have? Sorry about the 80,000 I misread.

[IMHO]

If you mount the speakers on the ceiling, you will be missing much. Speakers need to be placed at the listeners level in order to achieve max performance. Where do you plan on placing the speakers? Again what model of speakers do you have? Sorry about the 80,000 I misread.

I agree that L/C/R should all be on the same plane, and using speakers with the same voicing. I've heard high mounted surrounds before, and they seemed to do OK though. Not quite the localization of a small speaker at ear level, but OTOH many surrounds use a dipole design specifically to avoid localization anyway.

Some of the KEF Centre's are actually designed to be used as LCR - if the OP's system is using one of these, adding another two for L/R (but oriented vertically, not horizontally like the centre channel) would probably be ideal.

[AJBangkok]

The center speaker is KEF Q600 and the subwoofer is KEF Q400 the ceiling speakers are KEF Ci 200's.

I appreciate sound quality will not be as good as a traditional 7.1 setup but it's probably going to be the best sound quality I've ever had and I'm not an audiophile so I really won't know what I'm missing.

In addition when I planned the system I did think about scalability if I suddenly became obsessed with" getting better sound" ( I have too much time on my hands so knowing myself it's a distinct possibility) . That's the reasons i bought the Onkyo 1030 reveiver. The Onkyo allows for a 9,2 channel setup with Dolby atmos the latest offering from Dolby which utilizes ceiling speakers to totally envelope you in sound. I can add additional floor / in wall speakers to the setup.

Finally my goal was just to get better sound than the TV and have something cool to enjoy. The whole audio set up including the installation will be around 200k which is not that much money, and yes there will be people who tell me I coukd have got something better cheaper, but the really really important thing is that I got exactly what I wanted, I had a lot of fun ( and frustration ) getting all the components and matching them, and that's good enough for me.

Edited February 22, 2015 by AJBangkok

[IMHO]

The center speaker is KEF Q600 and the subwoofer is KEF Q400 the ceiling speakers are KEF Ci 200's.

I appreciate sound quality will not be as good as a traditional 7.1 setup but it's probably going to be the best sound quality I've ever had and I'm not an audiophile so I really won't know what I'm missing.

In addition when I planned the system I did think about scalability if I suddenly became obsessed with" getting better sound" ( I have too much time on my hands so knowing myself it's a distinct possibility) . That's the reasons i bought the Onkyo 1030 reveiver. The Onkyo allows for a 9,2 channel setup with Dolby atmos the latest offering from Dolby which utilizes ceiling speakers to totally envelope you in sound. I can add additional floor / in wall speakers to the setup.

Finally my goal was just to get better sound than the TV and have something cool to enjoy. The whole audio set up including the installation will be around 200k which is not that much money, and yes there will be people who tell me I coukd have got something better cheaper, but the really really important thing is that I got exactly what I wanted, I had a lot of fun ( and frustration ) getting all the components and matching them, and that's good enough for me.

The good news is, if you ever decide you'd like to add another 2 Q600's for Left/Right duties, the existing L/R ceiling speakers you've got now won't be wasted - they can be re-purposed as front height speakers