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Where do you get your information from that her detention don't have anything to do with 2010? This is just another case of someone lying or the left hand not knowing what the right hand is doing.

There are suggestions in several reports that she was detained in relation to the recent court bombings.

There is nothing in any of the reports that her detention had anything to do with 2010. The likelyhood that she was detained in relation to 2010 is remote, given that that was 5 years ago, the inquest was 2-3 years ago (in which I assume she gave evidence), and the coup was a year ago. Why would she be detained in relation to that now?

Because talking about it is slanderous against the military... You fail to understand that truth is not necessarily a defense against slander or libel (not just specific to the military). She might have needed an "attitude adjustment" to talk about things that will return "happiness" to the Thai people and talking about things that won't.... are not acceptable....

Arresting and detaining her in relation to something that happened 5 years ago does not make sense. Why now?

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Junta Spokesperson Admits to Detaining Missing Woman

By Khaosod English

BANGKOK — The spokesperson for Thailand’s military junta admitted today that the army detained a woman who went missing six days ago, explaining yesterday’s denial as a "lack of communication" between different military units.

The spokesperson, Col. Winthai Suwaree, said the initial denial was based on information from the junta’s security wing, the Armed Forces for Maintaining Peace and Order (AFMPO), which said the woman was not in military custody.

However, he later learned that Nattathida Meewangpla, 36, was being held by another unit, which he did not specify by name.

Nattathida’s relatives told Khaosod over the weekend that five soldiers arrested her at her home on 11 March. According to her relatives, the soldiers did not provide any information for the arrest.

Nattathida was not heard from or seen until today, six days later, when she was transferred to police custody for her alleged connection to a “terrorism network” that organized a grenade attack at the Criminal Court earlier this month.

Full story: http://www.khaosodenglish.com/detail.php?newsid=1426580675

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-- Khaosod English 2015-03-17

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It's all over twitter now with a video on youtube. She was being held in military custody. Tweet by @KhaosodEnglish

'Missing' witness of 2010 crackdown deaths was in military custody after all. Footage: Details forthcoming.

Thanks for that video. Shows very clearly that she was indeed in (military? - I only see police) custody.

Interesting to note however her zeal to use the 3-finger salute - obviously not a fan of the army, which may be a result of her detention (maybe her detention was the result of criticising or even slandering the army). Either way I would wonder how impartial/true her witness account would be, although the 3-finger salute doesn't necessarily mean she is affiliated with the Red Shirts.

As we don't know why she was detained, we don't know much really. All we know is she was one of those going on record saying the army was firing into the temple. (There are also witness accounts saying the MiB and RTA had a firefight nearby earlier in the day.) I somehow suspect she was picked up by the RTA because they know something about her that we don't yet know. She has "defiance" written all over her - understandable given the circumstances at face value, but this defiant look might also be a long-standing hatred of Thaksin opponents. We all know how much love, trust & tears your average UDD supporter puts into supporting the Shin crowd.

Still though, "abduction of key witnesses" is obviously not in the best interests of transparency or justice. I have to wonder why the RTA initially denied it.

For one there seems to have been no abduction as the latest report state the family said the lady was arrested by five soldiers.

Also apart from identifying the lady as being 'a key witness' there is no explanation why that should have any relation with her being arrested. The possible relation with people involved in the recent bomb attacks seems a more likely reason.

PS excuse my sense of humour. Looking at the lady, apart from a three finger salute she might also provoke with underboob selfies wai.gif

Ah, so the abduction was done with an arrest warrant? Well surely it's not an abduction in that case?

And yes, I've noticed a little news that she may not have been picked up because she was a witness, but for "something else"... which suggests to me her witness testimony might not have been entirely truthful. But then, as I say above, we don't know anything for sure.

Toch wel, the Dutch sense of humour. But shouldn't it be NederBooben? Blijf swingen, dude!

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What is all this talk if she or if she not was in military custody. If she was in custody of the police she would have needed to be charged in court with a court order. Holding her for 6 days plus is surely in military custody.

Posted

Facts are the army has her.

Facts are... the police has her.

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No, the military took her and now the military says they have her.

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Junta Spokesperson Admits to Detaining Missing Woman

By Khaosod English

BANGKOK — The spokesperson for Thailand’s military junta admitted today that the army detained a woman who went missing six days ago, explaining yesterday’s denial as a "lack of communication" between different military units.

The spokesperson, Col. Winthai Suwaree, said the initial denial was based on information from the junta’s security wing, the Armed Forces for Maintaining Peace and Order (AFMPO), which said the woman was not in military custody.

However, he later learned that Nattathida Meewangpla, 36, was being held by another unit, which he did not specify by name.

Nattathida’s relatives told Khaosod over the weekend that five soldiers arrested her at her home on 11 March. According to her relatives, the soldiers did not provide any information for the arrest.

Nattathida was not heard from or seen until today, six days later, when she was transferred to police custody for her alleged connection to a “terrorism network” that organized a grenade attack at the Criminal Court earlier this month.

Full story: http://www.khaosodenglish.com/detail.php?newsid=1426580675

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-- Khaosod English 2015-03-17

I wonder what those coup suporters are saying now that it was indeed the army that got her.

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Junta Spokesperson Admits to Detaining Missing Woman

By Khaosod English

BANGKOK — The spokesperson for Thailand’s military junta admitted today that the army detained a woman who went missing six days ago, explaining yesterday’s denial as a "lack of communication" between different military units.

The spokesperson, Col. Winthai Suwaree, said the initial denial was based on information from the junta’s security wing, the Armed Forces for Maintaining Peace and Order (AFMPO), which said the woman was not in military custody.

However, he later learned that Nattathida Meewangpla, 36, was being held by another unit, which he did not specify by name.

Nattathida’s relatives told Khaosod over the weekend that five soldiers arrested her at her home on 11 March. According to her relatives, the soldiers did not provide any information for the arrest.

Nattathida was not heard from or seen until today, six days later, when she was transferred to police custody for her alleged connection to a “terrorism network” that organized a grenade attack at the Criminal Court earlier this month.

Full story: http://www.khaosodenglish.com/detail.php?newsid=1426580675

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-- Khaosod English 2015-03-17

Any of the Junta-lovers?

Anyone?

Please, by any means...go ahead...

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Junta Spokesperson Admits to Detaining Missing Woman

By Khaosod English

BANGKOK — The spokesperson for Thailand’s military junta admitted today that the army detained a woman who went missing six days ago, explaining yesterday’s denial as a "lack of communication" between different military units.

The spokesperson, Col. Winthai Suwaree, said the initial denial was based on information from the junta’s security wing, the Armed Forces for Maintaining Peace and Order (AFMPO), which said the woman was not in military custody.

However, he later learned that Nattathida Meewangpla, 36, was being held by another unit, which he did not specify by name.

Nattathida’s relatives told Khaosod over the weekend that five soldiers arrested her at her home on 11 March. According to her relatives, the soldiers did not provide any information for the arrest.

Nattathida was not heard from or seen until today, six days later, when she was transferred to police custody for her alleged connection to a “terrorism network” that organized a grenade attack at the Criminal Court earlier this month.

Full story: http://www.khaosodenglish.com/detail.php?newsid=1426580675

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-- Khaosod English 2015-03-17

Lack of communication - anyone who has served in the military, police, or an NGO will understand that one; and have empathy.

Perhaps they've not released the reasons as the investigations are ongoing with more arrests to follow? Makes a change from blabbing about it days before planning an arrest and tipping everyone off.

If she is charged and convicted of involvement in terrorist illegal activities then her credibility as an independent unbiased witness to events in 2010 is questionable. The 3 fingered salute suggest she may be a tad leaning towards one side.

You mean she may be leaning away from the side she saw slaughter innocent medical workers & have now detained her. How dare she!

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Junta Spokesperson Admits to Detaining Missing Woman

By Khaosod English

BANGKOK — The spokesperson for Thailand’s military junta admitted today that the army detained a woman who went missing six days ago, explaining yesterday’s denial as a "lack of communication" between different military units.

The spokesperson, Col. Winthai Suwaree, said the initial denial was based on information from the junta’s security wing, the Armed Forces for Maintaining Peace and Order (AFMPO), which said the woman was not in military custody.

However, he later learned that Nattathida Meewangpla, 36, was being held by another unit, which he did not specify by name.

Nattathida’s relatives told Khaosod over the weekend that five soldiers arrested her at her home on 11 March. According to her relatives, the soldiers did not provide any information for the arrest.

Nattathida was not heard from or seen until today, six days later, when she was transferred to police custody for her alleged connection to a “terrorism network” that organized a grenade attack at the Criminal Court earlier this month.

Full story: http://www.khaosodenglish.com/detail.php?newsid=1426580675

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-- Khaosod English 2015-03-17

Lack of communication - anyone who has served in the military, police, or an NGO will understand that one; and have empathy.

Perhaps they've not released the reasons as the investigations are ongoing with more arrests to follow? Makes a change from blabbing about it days before planning an arrest and tipping everyone off.

If she is charged and convicted of involvement in terrorist illegal activities then her credibility as an independent unbiased witness to events in 2010 is questionable. The 3 fingered salute suggest she may be a tad leaning towards one side.

So apparently she is "connected" with the hottest anti-insurgency which has the attention of the top brass because of it's national security implications, and it is "lack of communication" with some lower level branch of the military? It is like having us believe the US located bin laden and they seals were out detaining him and President Obama not having any knowledge of the operation.... Sorry, but something does not add up....

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Junta Spokesperson Admits to Detaining Missing Woman

By Khaosod English

BANGKOK — The spokesperson for Thailand’s military junta admitted today that the army detained a woman who went missing six days ago, explaining yesterday’s denial as a "lack of communication" between different military units.

The spokesperson, Col. Winthai Suwaree, said the initial denial was based on information from the junta’s security wing, the Armed Forces for Maintaining Peace and Order (AFMPO), which said the woman was not in military custody.

However, he later learned that Nattathida Meewangpla, 36, was being held by another unit, which he did not specify by name.

Nattathida’s relatives told Khaosod over the weekend that five soldiers arrested her at her home on 11 March. According to her relatives, the soldiers did not provide any information for the arrest.

Nattathida was not heard from or seen until today, six days later, when she was transferred to police custody for her alleged connection to a “terrorism network” that organized a grenade attack at the Criminal Court earlier this month.

Full story: http://www.khaosodenglish.com/detail.php?newsid=1426580675

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-- Khaosod English 2015-03-17

Lack of communication - anyone who has served in the military, police, or an NGO will understand that one; and have empathy.

Perhaps they've not released the reasons as the investigations are ongoing with more arrests to follow? Makes a change from blabbing about it days before planning an arrest and tipping everyone off.

If she is charged and convicted of involvement in terrorist illegal activities then her credibility as an independent unbiased witness to events in 2010 is questionable. The 3 fingered salute suggest she may be a tad leaning towards one side.

So apparently she is "connected" with the hottest anti-insurgency which has the attention of the top brass because of it's national security implications, and it is "lack of communication" with some lower level branch of the military? It is like having us believe the US located bin laden and they seals were out detaining him and President Obama not having any knowledge of the operation.... Sorry, but something does not add up....

No no Canuck, if you have worked in the military,police or NGO you would have empathy for this little miss-communication.....

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Junta Spokesperson Admits to Detaining Missing Woman

By Khaosod English

BANGKOK — The spokesperson for Thailand’s military junta admitted today that the army detained a woman who went missing six days ago, explaining yesterday’s denial as a "lack of communication" between different military units.

The spokesperson, Col. Winthai Suwaree, said the initial denial was based on information from the junta’s security wing, the Armed Forces for Maintaining Peace and Order (AFMPO), which said the woman was not in military custody.

However, he later learned that Nattathida Meewangpla, 36, was being held by another unit, which he did not specify by name.

Nattathida’s relatives told Khaosod over the weekend that five soldiers arrested her at her home on 11 March. According to her relatives, the soldiers did not provide any information for the arrest.

Nattathida was not heard from or seen until today, six days later, when she was transferred to police custody for her alleged connection to a “terrorism network” that organized a grenade attack at the Criminal Court earlier this month.

Full story: http://www.khaosodenglish.com/detail.php?newsid=1426580675

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-- Khaosod English 2015-03-17

Lack of communication - anyone who has served in the military, police, or an NGO will understand that one; and have empathy.

Perhaps they've not released the reasons as the investigations are ongoing with more arrests to follow? Makes a change from blabbing about it days before planning an arrest and tipping everyone off.

If she is charged and convicted of involvement in terrorist illegal activities then her credibility as an independent unbiased witness to events in 2010 is questionable. The 3 fingered salute suggest she may be a tad leaning towards one side.

So apparently she is "connected" with the hottest anti-insurgency which has the attention of the top brass because of it's national security implications, and it is "lack of communication" with some lower level branch of the military? It is like having us believe the US located bin laden and they seals were out detaining him and President Obama not having any knowledge of the operation.... Sorry, but something does not add up....

No no Canuck, if you have worked in the military,police or NGO you would have empathy for this little miss-communication.....

I have two sisters that are high level civil servants..... if it is this important, the message is very controlled from the top levels and anyone that strays from that line will be in big trouble.

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I for one have an open mind on this...

If she was held on another issue for investigation, as already suggested, the recent Bangkok bombings, it would be difficult for the army to make any statement that would compromise any ongoing investigations that includes naming those being questioned and why.

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Junta Spokesperson Admits to Detaining Missing Woman

By Khaosod English

BANGKOK — The spokesperson for Thailand’s military junta admitted today that the army detained a woman who went missing six days ago, explaining yesterday’s denial as a "lack of communication" between different military units.

The spokesperson, Col. Winthai Suwaree, said the initial denial was based on information from the junta’s security wing, the Armed Forces for Maintaining Peace and Order (AFMPO), which said the woman was not in military custody.

However, he later learned that Nattathida Meewangpla, 36, was being held by another unit, which he did not specify by name.

Nattathida’s relatives told Khaosod over the weekend that five soldiers arrested her at her home on 11 March. According to her relatives, the soldiers did not provide any information for the arrest.

Nattathida was not heard from or seen until today, six days later, when she was transferred to police custody for her alleged connection to a “terrorism network” that organized a grenade attack at the Criminal Court earlier this month.

Full story: http://www.khaosodenglish.com/detail.php?newsid=1426580675

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-- Khaosod English 2015-03-17

Lack of communication - anyone who has served in the military, police, or an NGO will understand that one; and have empathy.

Perhaps they've not released the reasons as the investigations are ongoing with more arrests to follow? Makes a change from blabbing about it days before planning an arrest and tipping everyone off.

If she is charged and convicted of involvement in terrorist illegal activities then her credibility as an independent unbiased witness to events in 2010 is questionable. The 3 fingered salute suggest she may be a tad leaning towards one side.

You mean she may be leaning away from the side she saw slaughter innocent medical workers & have now detained her. How dare she!

'slaughter' ?

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I for one have an open mind on this...

If she was held on another issue for investigation, as already suggested, the recent Bangkok bombings, it would be difficult for the army to make any statement that would compromise any ongoing investigations that includes naming those being questioned and why.

That is where the non-answer answer comes in.... such as "We will look into it and get back to you.".

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TB, you are probably a lawyer as you phrase your sentences in such a way that it can be defended that you don't really say anything. Only the construction is such as to maximise suggestion without actually saying.

So your "you state that as if it is not understood which "party" in Thailand is the most likely to have abducted Somchai..." doesn't mean you know, neither that you say you know, only that you suggest there maybe some who understand who most likely abducted the human rights lawyer k. Somchai. And with such suggestion you start asking questions which due to the uncertainty in the assumption leaves you enough wriggling space to counter any answer.

So, I have no idea what you were trying to achieve with your 'very sure' statements.

If he is a lawyer then I am a nuclear physicist ! cheesy.gif

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Where do you get your information from that her detention don't have anything to do with 2010? This is just another case of someone lying or the left hand not knowing what the right hand is doing.

There are suggestions in several reports that she was detained in relation to the recent court bombings.

There is nothing in any of the reports that her detention had anything to do with 2010. The likelyhood that she was detained in relation to 2010 is remote, given that that was 5 years ago, the inquest was 2-3 years ago (in which I assume she gave evidence), and the coup was a year ago. Why would she be detained in relation to that now?

Because talking about it is slanderous against the military... You fail to understand that truth is not necessarily a defense against slander or libel (not just specific to the military). She might have needed an "attitude adjustment" to talk about things that will return "happiness" to the Thai people and talking about things that won't.... are not acceptable....

Arresting and detaining her in relation to something that happened 5 years ago does not make sense. Why now?

possibly related to the current NACC case against Abhisit / Suthep for abuse of power ... That has just recently been launched...

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I have no idea which group understands which party is most likely to have abducted the human right lawyer k. Somchai and I somehow doubt you know and are able to explain and give facts to help your explanation.

I refer to "most likely" and you change that to "know"... since there has never been a transparent investigation and since the body has never been found, there is obviously no evidence to examine regarding who did it...

Again, this is why I posed the question the way that I did...

But your reply would indicate that you are ignorant of the situation in the south or pretending to be ignorant of the situation in the south.

and I guess that is an answer, ...

TB, you are probably a lawyer as you phrase your sentences in such a way that it can be defended that you don't really say anything. Only the construction is such as to maximise suggestion without actually saying.

So your "you state that as if it is not understood which "party" in Thailand is the most likely to have abducted Somchai..." doesn't mean you know, neither that you say you know, only that you suggest there maybe some who understand who most likely abducted the human rights lawyer k. Somchai. And with such suggestion you start asking questions which due to the uncertainty in the assumption leaves you enough wriggling space to counter any answer.

So, I have no idea what you were trying to achieve with your 'very sure' statements.

no, I am not a lawyer, but I do have the habit of being precise.

you have the habit of deflecting direct questions and going off topic... such is your reply above... Eventually, you will sanctimoniously declare that everyone get back on topic...

As for the abduction mentioned by you originally, if you do not know which organization is the most likely to have done the abducting, then that would be 100% consistent with your unabashed position as a junta cheerleader.

Kudos for consistency. thumbsup.gif

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possibly related to the current NACC case against Abhisit / Suthep for abuse of power ... That has just recently been launched...

Not likely. What more could she add after the inquest said it was the army that shot those in the wat? How would her evidence affect the case against Abhisit/Suthep that they gave orders to the army to kill people? Was she also in the war room to hear those orders?

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Junta Spokesperson Admits to Detaining Missing Woman

By Khaosod English

BANGKOK — The spokesperson for Thailand’s military junta admitted today that the army detained a woman who went missing six days ago, explaining yesterday’s denial as a "lack of communication" between different military units.

The spokesperson, Col. Winthai Suwaree, said the initial denial was based on information from the junta’s security wing, the Armed Forces for Maintaining Peace and Order (AFMPO), which said the woman was not in military custody.

However, he later learned that Nattathida Meewangpla, 36, was being held by another unit, which he did not specify by name.

Nattathida’s relatives told Khaosod over the weekend that five soldiers arrested her at her home on 11 March. According to her relatives, the soldiers did not provide any information for the arrest.

Nattathida was not heard from or seen until today, six days later, when she was transferred to police custody for her alleged connection to a “terrorism network” that organized a grenade attack at the Criminal Court earlier this month.

Full story: http://www.khaosodenglish.com/detail.php?newsid=1426580675

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-- Khaosod English 2015-03-17

Any of the Junta-lovers?

Anyone?

Please, by any means...go ahead...

the current junta's tactics are archaic, .. .prehistoric... but then they are all dinosaurs from a different era and this entire exercise (reform, blah, blah, blah, ...) is just about keeping things they way that they have been for many, many decades... if not longer.

If they really try to pull off such a transparent lie as connecting this eye witness to the 2010 shootings by the military to a current attack in BKK, they will simply be showing (again) their true colors...

sad, sad, sad, ... coffee1.gif

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the current junta's tactics are archaic, .. .prehistoric... but then they are all dinosaurs from a different era and this entire exercise (reform, blah, blah, blah, ...) is just about keeping things they way that they have been for many, many decades... if not longer.

If they really try to pull off such a transparent lie as connecting this eye witness to the 2010 shootings by the military to a current attack in BKK, they will simply be showing (again) their true colors...

sad, sad, sad, ... coffee1.gif

Who is connecting the 2010 shootings to the recent bombings? You, and other anti-government posters. No one else. Not the military. Not the police.

The only connection appears to be that someone who was a witness to the shootings also apparently had some connection to a person already arrested in relation to the bombings.

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the current junta's tactics are archaic, .. .prehistoric... but then they are all dinosaurs from a different era and this entire exercise (reform, blah, blah, blah, ...) is just about keeping things they way that they have been for many, many decades... if not longer.

If they really try to pull off such a transparent lie as connecting this eye witness to the 2010 shootings by the military to a current attack in BKK, they will simply be showing (again) their true colors...

sad, sad, sad, ... coffee1.gif

Who is connecting the 2010 shootings to the recent bombings? You, and other anti-government posters. No one else. Not the military. Not the police.

The only connection appears to be that someone who was a witness to the shootings also apparently had some connection to a person already arrested in relation to the bombings.

I can't disagree that this person is definitely a "person of interest" and it is within the army's rights under martial law to legally take her into custody for not more than 7 days without a warrant or charge.

It has been a PR catastrophe for the govt. First denying she was under military custody, then flip-flopping and admitting it. Does the govt.'s left hand know what the right hand is doing? The answer seems to be no. FX. The finance minister not being informed that the PM had shelved the land tax bill. The PM has been complaining publicly about PR and showing his frustration about it by making off the cuff remarks about punching a reporter in the face, and yet the gaffs keep happening on a near daily basis. "Should they be wearing bikinis?"

A PR catastrophe to add to a very long list of PR catastrophes, but still, nothing to do with 2010.

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the current junta's tactics are archaic, .. .prehistoric... but then they are all dinosaurs from a different era and this entire exercise (reform, blah, blah, blah, ...) is just about keeping things they way that they have been for many, many decades... if not longer.

If they really try to pull off such a transparent lie as connecting this eye witness to the 2010 shootings by the military to a current attack in BKK, they will simply be showing (again) their true colors...

sad, sad, sad, ... coffee1.gif

Who is connecting the 2010 shootings to the recent bombings? You, and other anti-government posters. No one else. Not the military. Not the police.

The only connection appears to be that someone who was a witness to the shootings also apparently had some connection to a person already arrested in relation to the bombings.

I can't disagree that this person is definitely a "person of interest" and it is within the army's rights under martial law to legally take her into custody for not more than 7 days without a warrant or charge.

It has been a PR catastrophe for the govt. First denying she was under military custody, then flip-flopping and admitting it. Does the govt.'s left hand know what the right hand is doing? The answer seems to be no. FX. The finance minister not being informed that the PM had shelved the land tax bill. The PM has been complaining publicly about PR and showing his frustration about it by making off the cuff remarks about punching a reporter in the face, and yet the gaffs keep happening on a near daily basis. "Should they be wearing bikinis?"

Piss up, brewery, could not organize one.

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Facts are the army has her.

Facts are... the police has her.

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No, the military took her and now the military says they have her.

Did you watch the video where the military delivered her to the police?

You mean the military were lying when they said the have her.

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the current junta's tactics are archaic, .. .prehistoric... but then they are all dinosaurs from a different era and this entire exercise (reform, blah, blah, blah, ...) is just about keeping things they way that they have been for many, many decades... if not longer.

If they really try to pull off such a transparent lie as connecting this eye witness to the 2010 shootings by the military to a current attack in BKK, they will simply be showing (again) their true colors...

sad, sad, sad, ... coffee1.gif

Who is connecting the 2010 shootings to the recent bombings? You, and other anti-government posters. No one else. Not the military. Not the police.

The only connection appears to be that someone who was a witness to the shootings also apparently had some connection to a person already arrested in relation to the bombings.

in reply to the question, "who", you will notice that it is not even necessary to read the entire article. Just read the post I replied to which states:

Nattathida was not heard from or seen until today, six days later, when she was transferred to police custody for her alleged connection to a “terrorism network” that organized a grenade attack at the Criminal Court earlier this month.

Now you should understand "who" in your question "who is connecting..."

OK?

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