Poll delay proposal slammed

[lucky11]

I am guessing most posters on TVF have heard of a "Red Herring".

I have thought for sometime that the draft constitution was written with deliberate flaws to provoke an outcry from some people in Thailand which leads to the draft being scrapped and another undertaken....which will take some time. I think I am right!

I am thinking it's a deliberate ply to maintain the status quo until after a special someone joins his eminent forbears in the not so distant future.

That special someone was on telly last night and, at a guess, the wait will not be long I think.

The west calls this "floating trial balloons" to see how long they can maintain power.

I think it can be better described as playing poker and having a full house every single hand!!!

[Alwyn]

I am guessing most posters on TVF have heard of a "Red Herring".

I have thought for sometime that the draft constitution was written with deliberate flaws to provoke an outcry from some people in Thailand which leads to the draft being scrapped and another undertaken....which will take some time. I think I am right!

I am thinking it's a deliberate ply to maintain the status quo until after a special someone joins his eminent forbears in the not so distant future.

That special someone was on telly last night and, at a guess, the wait will not be long I think.

hmm, I don't recall us agreeing too often, but it looks like we might agree on what the 'intervention' last year was not about, namely, not about reconciliation, stopping corruption, nor preventing a 'civil war'...

Perhaps not. But the level of political violence has dropped to a very low level, some formerly untouchable people are having their corruption exposed, and a major incurrence of debt by the corrupt Yingluk government was prevented.

Yes.. the word you used is correct.. "some formerly untouchable people" In the meantime, the PM's masters have now become the untouchable ones, sasame sh*t, different day.

[Alwyn]

Those of PT who keep talking about returning power to the people should keep in mind the fact that it was the power of the people which disposed of them when the people came out in protest against them when they tried to push through the amnesty bill which nobody wanted.

This included their own people, as per :

http://www.thaivisa.com/forum/topic/678356-more-and-more-red-shirts-taking-a-stand-against-thai-amnesty-bill/

BANGKOK: -- OPPOSITION against the controversial blanket amnesty bill within the red-shirt movement is growing as the Pheu Thai Party refuses to budge and continues trying to push it through Parliament.

Those who are now claim to speak for the people have no mandate to do so and are only representing their own interests.

Wrong, for the first part of your comment, this was not the reason the army stepped in.

Right for the second part : Prayout has no legitimate mandate and represent only his own interest as well as the "happy few" at the top of the country

Obvious from your posts you have no idea of what went on.

The Yingluck Govt had been dissolved long before the military stepped in and it was the people that brought that about.

When the military took over there was no elected Govt only 26, or was it only 22 left, appointed caretaker cabinet ministers who had been appointed by the convicted criminal on the run.

Prayout has never claimed to speak for the people it is your beloved red leaders and ex PT MP's who are making that (false) claim.

You seem to have a short memory too. Why was there no elected government? The reason is not because of the wish for one is it? PT stepped down and took their obligation to remain as caretakers until a newly elected government took over. They organised fresh elections but that was stopped by Prayuth's attack dog Suthep - they prevented elections so they could have the coup. Even now, you don't get it do you?

[Orac]

Any optimism would end with the same Peau thai (current name ) corrupt gangsters put back by their minions up country. Keep the reigns of power General P and save the country from completely dissappearing down a black hole!

Actually those "minions" you despise are the people of the country you live in (and up country? - PT almost took Bangkok in the last 3 elections). And if you've missed it, the primary problem faces right now is disappearing down a financial black hole. The nation is a mess.

Hell, he can't even get the trains to run on time ...

But;....but, nobody else has ever got the trains to run on time either !

I think you are setting the bar a bit too high here - maybe they should just start with trying to get the trains to run on the tracks first before getting involved in complex stuff like timing.

[kingalfred]

Any optimism would end with the same Peau thai (current name ) corrupt gangsters put back by their minions up country. Keep the reigns of power General P and save the country from completely dissappearing down a black hole!

Actually those "minions" you despise are the people of the country you live in (and up country? - PT almost took Bangkok in the last 3 elections). And if you've missed it, the primary problem faces right now is disappearing down a financial black hole. The nation is a mess.

Hell, he can't even get the trains to run on time ...

almost took bangkok? You are out of touch with facts. Shown by the rest of your minion junk !

[kingalfred]

Those of PT who keep talking about returning power to the people should keep in mind the fact that it was the power of the people which disposed of them when the people came out in protest against them when they tried to push through the amnesty bill which nobody wanted.

This included their own people, as per :

http://www.thaivisa.com/forum/topic/678356-more-and-more-red-shirts-taking-a-stand-against-thai-amnesty-bill/

BANGKOK: -- OPPOSITION against the controversial blanket amnesty bill within the red-shirt movement is growing as the Pheu Thai Party refuses to budge and continues trying to push it through Parliament.

Those who are now claim to speak for the people have no mandate to do so and are only representing their own interests.

Wrong, for the first part of your comment, this was not the reason the army stepped in.

Right for the second part : Prayout has no legitimate mandate and represent only his own interest as well as the "happy few" at the top of the country

Obvious from your posts you have no idea of what went on.

The Yingluck Govt had been dissolved long before the military stepped in and it was the people that brought that about.

When the military took over there was no elected Govt only 26, or was it only 22 left, appointed caretaker cabinet ministers who had been appointed by the convicted criminal on the run.

Prayout has never claimed to speak for the people it is your beloved red leaders and ex PT MP's who are making that (false) claim.

You seem to have a short memory too. Why was there no elected government? The reason is not because of the wish for one is it? PT stepped down and took their obligation to remain as caretakers until a newly elected government took over. They organised fresh elections but that was stopped by Prayuth's attack dog Suthep - they prevented elections so they could have the coup. Even now, you don't get it do you?

you dont get it ! What junk! Your corrupt gangster PT candidates will never be allowed to stand again.

[halloween]

If you had a plague of rats in your house................................

Problem is, they are in every house & by exterminating them in only some the problem remains.

Admit it. You're annoyed because he's exterminating your pet rats more than the other rats. The old neutered tabby has been kicked out the back door to play with the dobermans, and the new cat is hungry. Your pet rats have had it so good for so long, they have forgotten how to hide, because there was no need before the change, and now their fat bodies are being turned into rat soup. Enjoy!

[smutcakes]

If you had a plague of rats in your house................................

Problem is, they are in every house & by exterminating them in only some the problem remains.

Admit it. You're annoyed because he's exterminating your pet rats more than the other rats. The old neutered tabby has been kicked out the back door to play with the dobermans, and the new cat is hungry. Your pet rats have had it so good for so long, they have forgotten how to hide, because there was no need before the change, and now their fat bodies are being turned into rat soup. Enjoy!

Lets hope most Thai's are more intelligent than you, and are able to think rationally. If they start thinking with vengeance displayed in your post, the country will be in a hole world of bother.

So far luckily they do seem to be showing more intelligence than you, although i understand that is faint praise.

[heybruce]

It's a lose-lose situation in my opinion; have elections soon for a government where real power is held by unelected appointees and bureaucrats, or hold off in the vain hope that the military will provide a more democratic charter. Regardless of the choice, Prayuth-style democracy will see to it that Thailand won't have real democracy.

[halloween]

If you had a plague of rats in your house................................

Problem is, they are in every house & by exterminating them in only some the problem remains.

Admit it. You're annoyed because he's exterminating your pet rats more than the other rats. The old neutered tabby has been kicked out the back door to play with the dobermans, and the new cat is hungry. Your pet rats have had it so good for so long, they have forgotten how to hide, because there was no need before the change, and now their fat bodies are being turned into rat soup. Enjoy!

Lets hope most Thai's are more intelligent than you, and are able to think rationally. If they start thinking with vengeance displayed in your post, the country will be in a hole world of bother.

So far luckily they do seem to be showing more intelligence than you, although i understand that is faint praise.

I know you feel bitter because your little mates are being prosecuted, but despite all the moans about lack of impartiality and political motivation, the fact is they ARE guilty, and have escaped prosecution for too long under the criminal Thaksinist governments. I have no problem with ANY criminal being prosecuted (assuming sufficient evidence to convict) but when it is the criminal scum associated with the Shinawatras, my cup of schadenfreude overfloweth.

[tbthailand]

Those of PT who keep talking about returning power to the people should keep in mind the fact that it was the power of the people which disposed of them when the people came out in protest against them when they tried to push through the amnesty bill which nobody wanted.

This included their own people, as per :

http://www.thaivisa.com/forum/topic/678356-more-and-more-red-shirts-taking-a-stand-against-thai-amnesty-bill/

BANGKOK: -- OPPOSITION against the controversial blanket amnesty bill within the red-shirt movement is growing as the Pheu Thai Party refuses to budge and continues trying to push it through Parliament.

Those who are now claim to speak for the people have no mandate to do so and are only representing their own interests.

Wrong, for the first part of your comment, this was not the reason the army stepped in.

Right for the second part : Prayout has no legitimate mandate and represent only his own interest as well as the "happy few" at the top of the country

Obvious from your posts you have no idea of what went on.

The Yingluck Govt had been dissolved long before the military stepped in and it was the people that brought that about.

When the military took over there was no elected Govt only 26, or was it only 22 left, appointed caretaker cabinet ministers who had been appointed by the convicted criminal on the run.

Prayout has never claimed to speak for the people it is your beloved red leaders and ex PT MP's who are making that (false) claim.

another poster with "the coup was ok because there was no elected govt" argument

people used the same "logic" for 2006.

do you realize how wrong that logic is?

[tbthailand]

Any optimism would end with the same Peau thai (current name ) corrupt gangsters put back by their minions up country. Keep the reigns of power General P and save the country from completely dissappearing down a black hole!

Actually those "minions" you despise are the people of the country you live in (and up country? - PT almost took Bangkok in the last 3 elections). And if you've missed it, the primary problem faces right now is disappearing down a financial black hole. The nation is a mess.

Hell, he can't even get the trains to run on time ...

almost took bangkok? You are out of touch with facts. Shown by the rest of your minion junk !

actually, he is dead-on right. Here is the regional results chart from 2011.

Red and blue are self-explanatory. Gray is no majority.

[kingalfred]

Any optimism would end with the same Peau thai (current name ) corrupt gangsters put back by their minions up country. Keep the reigns of power General P and save the country from completely dissappearing down a black hole!

Actually those "minions" you despise are the people of the country you live in (and up country? - PT almost took Bangkok in the last 3 elections). And if you've missed it, the primary problem faces right now is disappearing down a financial black hole. The nation is a mess.

Hell, he can't even get the trains to run on time ...

almost took bangkok? You are out of touch with facts. Shown by the rest of your minion junk !

actually, he is dead-on right. Here is the regional results chart from 2011.

Red and blue are self-explanatory. Gray is no majority.

um wrong, where are the red/pt "winning Bkk "almost"? Strange definition of winning!

[candide]

Actually those "minions" you despise are the people of the country you live in (and up country? - PT almost took Bangkok in the last 3 elections). And if you've missed it, the primary problem faces right now is disappearing down a financial black hole. The nation is a mess.

Hell, he can't even get the trains to run on time ...

almost took bangkok? You are out of touch with facts. Shown by the rest of your minion junk !

actually, he is dead-on right. Here is the regional results chart from 2011.

Red and blue are self-explanatory. Gray is no majority.

um wrong, where are the red/pt "winning Bkk "almost"? Strange definition of winning!

The Democrats won 23 seats vs 10 for Puea Thai, the margin of victory in many seats was quite narrow. 9 seats were won by less than 3,000 votes and another 12 seats by between 3,001-6,000 votes. The Democrats won 15 of the 23 seats by less than 6,000 votes; Puea Thai won six out of 10 seats by less than 6,000 votes.

For party list it was 44.64% for the Dems and 42.26% for PT.

So there was not a large difference in the number of votes between the two parties in Bangkok region.

[Robby nz]

Those of PT who keep talking about returning power to the people should keep in mind the fact that it was the power of the people which disposed of them when the people came out in protest against them when they tried to push through the amnesty bill which nobody wanted.

This included their own people, as per :

http://www.thaivisa.com/forum/topic/678356-more-and-more-red-shirts-taking-a-stand-against-thai-amnesty-bill/

BANGKOK: -- OPPOSITION against the controversial blanket amnesty bill within the red-shirt movement is growing as the Pheu Thai Party refuses to budge and continues trying to push it through Parliament.

Those who are now claim to speak for the people have no mandate to do so and are only representing their own interests.

Wrong, for the first part of your comment, this was not the reason the army stepped in.

Right for the second part : Prayout has no legitimate mandate and represent only his own interest as well as the "happy few" at the top of the country

Obvious from your posts you have no idea of what went on.

The Yingluck Govt had been dissolved long before the military stepped in and it was the people that brought that about.

When the military took over there was no elected Govt only 26, or was it only 22 left, appointed caretaker cabinet ministers who had been appointed by the convicted criminal on the run.

Prayout has never claimed to speak for the people it is your beloved red leaders and ex PT MP's who are making that (false) claim.

You seem to have a short memory too. Why was there no elected government? The reason is not because of the wish for one is it? PT stepped down and took their obligation to remain as caretakers until a newly elected government took over. They organised fresh elections but that was stopped by Prayuth's attack dog Suthep - they prevented elections so they could have the coup. Even now, you don't get it do you?

Your hate for Suthep gets the better of you, he represented the people not the military.

How can you and your buddies be so gullible as to believe the red twists on what actually happened.

PT and your beloved ex PM were warned time and again that an election would never achieve a result but still insisted in going ahead and wasting billions.

People power is what disposed of PT and stopped the election but you have such a hate that you seem to think Suthep did it all on his own.

You have a cheek to talk about attack dogs when PT had Tarit and Chalerm protecting those who were firing grenades and bullets at the protesters on a nightly basis with Chalerm even predicting the attacks.

[waitforusalso]

Your hate for Suthep gets the better of you, he represented the people not the military.

How can you and your buddies be so gullible as to believe the red twists on what actually happened.

PT and your beloved ex PM were warned time and again that an election would never achieve a result but still insisted in going ahead and wasting billions.

People power is what disposed of PT and stopped the election but you have such a hate that you seem to think Suthep did it all on his own.

You have a cheek to talk about attack dogs when PT had Tarit and Chalerm protecting those who were firing grenades and bullets at the protesters on a nightly basis with Chalerm even predicting the attacks.

Suthep did not represent the people. What a joke that you could even write such nonsense. The people spoke definitively in the 2011 elections. After the amnesty bill settled down Suthep had a crowd of a few thousand and many of them were being paid to be there. How can you and your buddies be so gullible as to believe the yellow & army twists on what actually happened? These people were in cahoots to remove the democratically elected government from the day after the yellows were trounced 265 - 159.

[tbthailand]

almost took bangkok? You are out of touch with facts. Shown by the rest of your minion junk !

actually, he is dead-on right. Here is the regional results chart from 2011.

Red and blue are self-explanatory. Gray is no majority.

um wrong, where are the red/pt "winning Bkk "almost"? Strange definition of winning!

nah, actually, it's right. You already have the BKK info in another post, but even this map shows that while "Central World" went blue, there are large parts of what we all consider "Bangkok" in red. The point is still correct, and Bangkok was a competitive region politically.

[tbthailand]

Your hate for Suthep gets the better of you, he represented the people not the military.

How can you and your buddies be so gullible as to believe the red twists on what actually happened.

PT and your beloved ex PM were warned time and again that an election would never achieve a result but still insisted in going ahead and wasting billions.

People power is what disposed of PT and stopped the election but you have such a hate that you seem to think Suthep did it all on his own.

You have a cheek to talk about attack dogs when PT had Tarit and Chalerm protecting those who were firing grenades and bullets at the protesters on a nightly basis with Chalerm even predicting the attacks.

Suthep did not represent the people. What a joke that you could even write such nonsense. The people spoke definitively in the 2011 elections. After the amnesty bill settled down Suthep had a crowd of a few thousand and many of them were being paid to be there. How can you and your buddies be so gullible as to believe the yellow & army twists on what actually happened? These people were in cahoots to remove the democratically elected government from the day after the yellows were trounced 265 - 159.

if Suthep had actually been speaking for "the Thai People" as he so often claimed, then he wouldn't have been deathly afraid of elections, now would he?

[rubl]

Your hate for Suthep gets the better of you, he represented the people not the military.

How can you and your buddies be so gullible as to believe the red twists on what actually happened.

PT and your beloved ex PM were warned time and again that an election would never achieve a result but still insisted in going ahead and wasting billions.

People power is what disposed of PT and stopped the election but you have such a hate that you seem to think Suthep did it all on his own.

You have a cheek to talk about attack dogs when PT had Tarit and Chalerm protecting those who were firing grenades and bullets at the protesters on a nightly basis with Chalerm even predicting the attacks.

Suthep did not represent the people. What a joke that you could even write such nonsense. The people spoke definitively in the 2011 elections. After the amnesty bill settled down Suthep had a crowd of a few thousand and many of them were being paid to be there. How can you and your buddies be so gullible as to believe the yellow & army twists on what actually happened? These people were in cahoots to remove the democratically elected government from the day after the yellows were trounced 265 - 159.

For your information, the 'yellows' as you call them promoted the 'no vote'. With close to 4 million votes invalid it would seem they had a significant following (about 100 - 12& of votes cast). The Democrat party lost nine seats, going from 165 to 159, Pheu Thai went from 233 (as PPP) to 265.

Anyway, if the 'democratically' elected Pheu Thai party led coalition government needs people like you to regain 'control' I think we'd better wait for reforms and education regarding 'democracy, rights and duties' has taken hold.

[rubl]

Your hate for Suthep gets the better of you, he represented the people not the military.

How can you and your buddies be so gullible as to believe the red twists on what actually happened.

PT and your beloved ex PM were warned time and again that an election would never achieve a result but still insisted in going ahead and wasting billions.

People power is what disposed of PT and stopped the election but you have such a hate that you seem to think Suthep did it all on his own.

You have a cheek to talk about attack dogs when PT had Tarit and Chalerm protecting those who were firing grenades and bullets at the protesters on a nightly basis with Chalerm even predicting the attacks.

Suthep did not represent the people. What a joke that you could even write such nonsense. The people spoke definitively in the 2011 elections. After the amnesty bill settled down Suthep had a crowd of a few thousand and many of them were being paid to be there. How can you and your buddies be so gullible as to believe the yellow & army twists on what actually happened? These people were in cahoots to remove the democratically elected government from the day after the yellows were trounced 265 - 159.

if Suthep had actually been speaking for "the Thai People" as he so often claimed, then he wouldn't have been deathly afraid of elections, now would he?

The Thaksin controlled Yingluck government was even more afraid it would seem to the point that previous manipulations regarding 'respect your vote till it's counted' became more and more obvious.

Anyway, like in 2014 we still need reforms and to educate the Thai population to understand democracy has right and duties. As American you should understand that just because one is Amply Rich one is NOT above the law.

[rubl]

I agree with those who recognize that the squabbling among political factions will be used by the Junta as an indicator of "instability", and thus will be cause for postponing elections. This could go on indefinitely.

If only Thailand could achieve what other countries have achieved, where politicians never differ.

Last night, the self-appointed Prime Minister was complaining that he has so many problems to solve, and people were so impatient. He seemed petulant and self absorbed. My wife said he sounded like a "mafia" guy. Poor guy. People obey his orders, but nobody loves him.

It would seem that the 'squabbling' political parties give an indication that reforms are still needed, maybe some charter fine tuning.

Input from those 'squabbling' politicos would at least be an indication which aspects they fear most. Wouldn't be surprised if those related to accountability.

PS how does a 'Mafia' guy sound like? I only know some examples from Hollywood movies and those don't give a proper reflection of reality.

Edited April 25, 2015 by rubl

[tbthailand]

Suthep did not represent the people. What a joke that you could even write such nonsense. The people spoke definitively in the 2011 elections. After the amnesty bill settled down Suthep had a crowd of a few thousand and many of them were being paid to be there. How can you and your buddies be so gullible as to believe the yellow & army twists on what actually happened? These people were in cahoots to remove the democratically elected government from the day after the yellows were trounced 265 - 159.

if Suthep had actually been speaking for "the Thai People" as he so often claimed, then he wouldn't have been deathly afraid of elections, now would he?

The Thaksin controlled Yingluck government was even more afraid it would seem to the point that previous manipulations regarding 'respect your vote till it's counted' became more and more obvious.

Anyway, like in 2014 we still need reforms and to educate the Thai population to understand democracy has right and duties. As American you should understand that just because one is Amply Rich one is NOT above the law.

The Thaksin controlled Yingluck government was even more afraid it would seem

you continue your trolling ways... I've never seen such a dedicated dutch fascist.

Sure, the PTP were "ooooooh, scared to death" of elections which is why they dissolved parliament and started the process of asking the people to exercise their sovereign right to self-determination...

wadda dweeb you are...

[candide]

Suthep did not represent the people. What a joke that you could even write such nonsense. The people spoke definitively in the 2011 elections. After the amnesty bill settled down Suthep had a crowd of a few thousand and many of them were being paid to be there. How can you and your buddies be so gullible as to believe the yellow & army twists on what actually happened? These people were in cahoots to remove the democratically elected government from the day after the yellows were trounced 265 - 159.

if Suthep had actually been speaking for "the Thai People" as he so often claimed, then he wouldn't have been deathly afraid of elections, now would he?

The Thaksin controlled Yingluck government was even more afraid it would seem to the point that previous manipulations regarding 'respect your vote till it's counted' became more and more obvious.

Anyway, like in 2014 we still need reforms and to educate the Thai population to understand democracy has right and duties. As American you should understand that just because one is Amply Rich one is NOT above the law.

The Thaksin controlled Yingluck government was even more afraid it would seem

you continue your trolling ways... I've never seen such a dedicated dutch fascist.

Sure, the PTP were "ooooooh, scared to death" of elections which is why they dissolved parliament and started the process of asking the people to exercise their sovereign right to self-determination...

wadda dweeb you are...

Come on, you don't understand: the PT organised an election as they knew they would lose, and the Dem/PDRC refused to participate or tried to block it because they knew they would win!

[rubl]

Suthep did not represent the people. What a joke that you could even write such nonsense. The people spoke definitively in the 2011 elections. After the amnesty bill settled down Suthep had a crowd of a few thousand and many of them were being paid to be there. How can you and your buddies be so gullible as to believe the yellow & army twists on what actually happened? These people were in cahoots to remove the democratically elected government from the day after the yellows were trounced 265 - 159.

if Suthep had actually been speaking for "the Thai People" as he so often claimed, then he wouldn't have been deathly afraid of elections, now would he?

The Thaksin controlled Yingluck government was even more afraid it would seem to the point that previous manipulations regarding 'respect your vote till it's counted' became more and more obvious.

Anyway, like in 2014 we still need reforms and to educate the Thai population to understand democracy has right and duties. As American you should understand that just because one is Amply Rich one is NOT above the law.

The Thaksin controlled Yingluck government was even more afraid it would seem

you continue your trolling ways... I've never seen such a dedicated dutch fascist.

Sure, the PTP were "ooooooh, scared to death" of elections which is why they dissolved parliament and started the process of asking the people to exercise their sovereign right to self-determination...

wadda dweeb you are...

You seem to forget the "to the point that previous manipulations regarding 'respect your vote till it's counted' became more and more obvious."

Of course, none so blind who don't want to see.

Cheers,

uncle dweeb

[heybruce]

if Suthep had actually been speaking for "the Thai People" as he so often claimed, then he wouldn't have been deathly afraid of elections, now would he?

The Thaksin controlled Yingluck government was even more afraid it would seem to the point that previous manipulations regarding 'respect your vote till it's counted' became more and more obvious.

Anyway, like in 2014 we still need reforms and to educate the Thai population to understand democracy has right and duties. As American you should understand that just because one is Amply Rich one is NOT above the law.

The Thaksin controlled Yingluck government was even more afraid it would seem

you continue your trolling ways... I've never seen such a dedicated dutch fascist.

Sure, the PTP were "ooooooh, scared to death" of elections which is why they dissolved parliament and started the process of asking the people to exercise their sovereign right to self-determination...

wadda dweeb you are...

You seem to forget the "to the point that previous manipulations regarding 'respect your vote till it's counted' became more and more obvious."

Of course, none so blind who don't want to see.

Cheers,

uncle dweeb

It is a very forgettable statement. Politicians often fail to keep campaign promises, although in the case of the PTP they were vilified for trying to keep their campaign promise to make the Senate fully elected. The correct response is to vote against these politicians in the next election, assuming an election can be held in spite of the obstructions of the anti-democrats.

[tbthailand]

if Suthep had actually been speaking for "the Thai People" as he so often claimed, then he wouldn't have been deathly afraid of elections, now would he?

The Thaksin controlled Yingluck government was even more afraid it would seem to the point that previous manipulations regarding 'respect your vote till it's counted' became more and more obvious.

Anyway, like in 2014 we still need reforms and to educate the Thai population to understand democracy has right and duties. As American you should understand that just because one is Amply Rich one is NOT above the law.

The Thaksin controlled Yingluck government was even more afraid it would seem

you continue your trolling ways... I've never seen such a dedicated dutch fascist.

Sure, the PTP were "ooooooh, scared to death" of elections which is why they dissolved parliament and started the process of asking the people to exercise their sovereign right to self-determination...

wadda dweeb you are...

You seem to forget the "to the point that previous manipulations regarding 'respect your vote till it's counted' became more and more obvious."

Of course, none so blind who don't want to see.

Cheers,

uncle dweeb

the forgotten part wasn't forgotten, it was dismissed as the irrelevant prattle that it is.

[Robby nz]

Your hate for Suthep gets the better of you, he represented the people not the military.

How can you and your buddies be so gullible as to believe the red twists on what actually happened.

PT and your beloved ex PM were warned time and again that an election would never achieve a result but still insisted in going ahead and wasting billions.

People power is what disposed of PT and stopped the election but you have such a hate that you seem to think Suthep did it all on his own.

You have a cheek to talk about attack dogs when PT had Tarit and Chalerm protecting those who were firing grenades and bullets at the protesters on a nightly basis with Chalerm even predicting the attacks.

Suthep did not represent the people. What a joke that you could even write such nonsense. The people spoke definitively in the 2011 elections. After the amnesty bill settled down Suthep had a crowd of a few thousand and many of them were being paid to be there. How can you and your buddies be so gullible as to believe the yellow & army twists on what actually happened? These people were in cahoots to remove the democratically elected government from the day after the yellows were trounced 265 - 159.

Another who has no idea what they are posting about.

The people were protesting before Suthep emerged as a leader and they were protesting all over the country and in other parts of the world.

The Nation November 4, 2013 1:00 am

http://www.nationmultimedia.com/politics/Amnesty-opponents-to-rally-nationwide-30218654.html

Amnesty opponents to rally nationwide

2013-11-09

"Opposition to the controversial amnesty bill has expanded beyond Thailand's borders, with Thai expatriates and students in several countries also staging their own protests.

The sound of whistles seems to be echoing around the world as Thais in a number of countries gather to express their disagreement about the bill. "

http://www.nationmul...r-30219115.html

And as I posted before that included red shirts who even went to BKK to protest.

10 November 2013

http://www.demotix.com/news/3191139/red-shirts-rally-against-controversial-amnesty-bill-bangkok/all-media

Red Shirts rally against controversial Amnesty Bill in Bangkok

http://www.thaivisa.com/forum/topic/678356-more-and-more-red-shirts-taking-a-stand-against-thai-amnesty-bill/

BANGKOK: -- OPPOSITION against the controversial blanket amnesty bill within the red-shirt movement is growing as the Pheu Thai Party refuses to budge and continues trying to push it through Parliament.

You and your red buddies are the ones who are twisting things out of context and completely ignoring the vicious attacks on the protesters which killed women and children, attacks which were never investigated and were in fact cheered on by PT and the red leaders.

I as usual am prepared to provide proof of what I post with links to news reports from the time these things happened.

Where is the proof of what you post ?

[Robby nz]

The Thaksin controlled Yingluck government was even more afraid it would seem

you continue your trolling ways... I've never seen such a dedicated dutch fascist.

Sure, the PTP were "ooooooh, scared to death" of elections which is why they dissolved parliament and started the process of asking the people to exercise their sovereign right to self-determination...

wadda dweeb you are...

You seem to forget the "to the point that previous manipulations regarding 'respect your vote till it's counted' became more and more obvious."

Of course, none so blind who don't want to see.

Cheers,

uncle dweeb

It is a very forgettable statement. Politicians often fail to keep campaign promises, although in the case of the PTP they were vilified for trying to keep their campaign promise to make the Senate fully elected. The correct response is to vote against these politicians in the next election, assuming an election can be held in spite of the obstructions of the anti-democrats.

Another who twists things out of context.

There was no problem with making the senate fully elected in fact the first reading of the bill was passed in the house with the agreement of the Democrats.

The trouble arose when changes were made in the committee stage to make it possible for family of sitting MP's to become senators and to abolish the 6 year term.

It was these amendments that were unpalatable and facing opposition PT got all sneaky and passed the bill at 4 in the morning after the opposition had gone home.

But you know all that you are just ignoring it in a feeble attempt to defend the most corrupt administration in the history of this country.

[rubl]

The Thaksin controlled Yingluck government was even more afraid it would seem to the point that previous manipulations regarding 'respect your vote till it's counted' became more and more obvious.

Anyway, like in 2014 we still need reforms and to educate the Thai population to understand democracy has right and duties. As American you should understand that just because one is Amply Rich one is NOT above the law.

The Thaksin controlled Yingluck government was even more afraid it would seem

you continue your trolling ways... I've never seen such a dedicated dutch fascist.

Sure, the PTP were "ooooooh, scared to death" of elections which is why they dissolved parliament and started the process of asking the people to exercise their sovereign right to self-determination...

wadda dweeb you are...

You seem to forget the "to the point that previous manipulations regarding 'respect your vote till it's counted' became more and more obvious."

Of course, none so blind who don't want to see.

Cheers,

uncle dweeb

the forgotten part wasn't forgotten, it was dismissed as the irrelevant prattle that it is.

It's very unfortunate that Thaksin likes to talk and boost too much. Interviews about him ruling the country through his clone, skyping-in into his cabinet meetings, telling all the RPPS should continue for a few more years, etc., etc.. Even in real democracies people started to wonder about Thai elections which could lead to such results.

[rubl]

The Thaksin controlled Yingluck government was even more afraid it would seem to the point that previous manipulations regarding 'respect your vote till it's counted' became more and more obvious.

Anyway, like in 2014 we still need reforms and to educate the Thai population to understand democracy has right and duties. As American you should understand that just because one is Amply Rich one is NOT above the law.

The Thaksin controlled Yingluck government was even more afraid it would seem

you continue your trolling ways... I've never seen such a dedicated dutch fascist.

Sure, the PTP were "ooooooh, scared to death" of elections which is why they dissolved parliament and started the process of asking the people to exercise their sovereign right to self-determination...

wadda dweeb you are...

You seem to forget the "to the point that previous manipulations regarding 'respect your vote till it's counted' became more and more obvious."

Of course, none so blind who don't want to see.

Cheers,

uncle dweeb

It is a very forgettable statement. Politicians often fail to keep campaign promises, although in the case of the PTP they were vilified for trying to keep their campaign promise to make the Senate fully elected. The correct response is to vote against these politicians in the next election, assuming an election can be held in spite of the obstructions of the anti-democrats.

It's very unfortunate that Thaksin likes to talk and boost too much. Interviews about him ruling the country through his clone, skyping-in into his cabinet meetings, telling all the RPPS should continue for a few more years, etc., etc.. Even in real democracies people started to wonder about Thai elections which could lead to such results.