Koh Tao: Trial opens for 2 accused of killing British tourists

[glenmohr]

We don't believe NS "evidence" his lawyer gave for him being in Bangkok... Also all of the info is coming from one side with a vested interest in the outcome of the case. Conflict of interest anyone? Normally evidence given to clear a suspect is given to the public in great detail, Because the public want to feel sure criminals are held accountable, and police are held accountable to the standards of the law. Your new, maybe you won't dodge the question.... If NS is innocent why has he given nothing else to prove it? There are what 500K cameras all over Bangkok, and that's all he can give? Also, why did he hide? Why did he initially refuse to give DNA citing his "Human Rights"? Why is there even a Rumor he was on the Island?

Whether JTJ is paid for his posts is not important. What's important is trying to sift through the lies and get to the truth. The truth put forth so far is bleeding from every orifice.

I do understand your sense of frustration at not getting the answers you want, but what we need to remember this is a trial which is happening now and whether we like it or not there is a good chance we are not privy to all the details of what is transpiring in the court room, and the evidence presented.

From someone who has just stepped into this discussion and read through the vast amount of postings there is clearly two camps which have been set up, those for the boys from Myanmar and those against, but the end game is all want justice. The problem now both sides are entrenched in there respective corners and will not change now, partly driven from the fact you would be bombarded with 'i told you so' postings.

I understand no one believes the NS evidence, i have to admit it is not overly convincing, but again how much do we actually know. Is such as cover up of this scale actually possible, but it only takes one photograph or one piece of CCTV evidence and the walls will come tumbling down, and the ramifications pretty bad. I am sure there are conflicts of interest, is this not normal, is it not natural that the Resort owner would protect his son anyway he could, and if that involves paying of the policemen to make this go away then that's what has to be done, very unethical if that is the case.

With regard to NS not giving more evidence, i suspect the answer is 'why should he' he has already presented information, the best option would no doubt be lay low, if you start giving yourself more exposure it will undoubtedly raise more risks. I was not aware he refused to give his DNA, but understand this was performed later at the infamous press conference, but what the DNA was matched to i really am not sure.

The one thing i simply cannot get my head around is, if it is one big cover up, how would it even be possible, surely one person would have come forward with some information, but on the other hand, maybe they have and we have yet to see such information out in the open.

For me, i am looking forward to the defence having their day in court, from what i have read they seem to have some vital information which will contradict the information the police have presented, but we also have to be prepared for the fact it may be not as explosive as people are hoping for. I expect it will be from one of the deceased friends, and will be 'photographic' rather than just verbal evidence which will give a strong indication as to what transpired that night, and maybe substantiate the 'rumours' or maybe i am completely wrong, who knows.

I don't believe JTJ and the others are being paid, they are simply offering counter arguments, which frustrates people into making these statements, more likely they just enjoy the banter.

As a final note, i seen someone post the word 'dillweed' think it has been edited out now, but that was hilarious, Beavis and Butt-head used to use that word all the time... nice one.

Bonez, you make the good point that no one has come forward etc.. Just a thought, David Miller came forward and he died for that. Wonder if some people having observed that have decided life beats death. Seems logical

[AleG]

Your argument that there must be a cover up because the police have not continued investigating after the suspects have been arrested and indicted it's probably one of the most absurd and illogical things said regarding this case, and that's saying a lot.

No police anywhere in the world will continue to look for culprits after they hand those they have uncovered to the judicial system, if they would have done that you'd be jumping up and down claiming that proves there's the men on trial are innocent.

You want your cake and eat it too, and can't figure out what the problem is with that.

AleG, if you think the investigation should terminate once scapegoats suspects are put in prison with not bail, then we don't agree. I think the investigation should be on-going. In countries like the US, France and UK, where investigative sciences are miles ahead of Thailand's, investigators sometimes even dust-off crime files that are years old, in order to see whether all avenues were investigated thoroughly, and whether the right people are incarcerated. Granted, it couldn't happen in Thailand, but there's hope that Thai investigators will learn how to do their jobs in at least a semi-professional capacity - .....in the future perhaps?

Show one instance, any at all, where police, after handing over who they think are the only culprits of a crime, continue to investigate looking for, not just other accomplices, but alternative culprits while a trial is underway and no verdict has been reached.

I don't expect you to provide any example, or recognize, in view of that, that your argument is absurd.

[glenmohr]

Darkknight666

There you go again! Trying to spread rumors and gossip that have no truth to them at all and have several times here already proved false.

NS did not refuse to give his DNA because he was never ask for it. Understand That! He was never asked for it! He was cleared on his Alibi alone. He gave his DNA on a Volunteer basis only. So why is it that every week you have to be told this? Are you really that forgetful? Or are you just trying to be a Snot Nosed Little Kid?

What makes you think you are so important that the Police and Prosecution in this country, or any other for that matter, owe you any explanation? Least of all in an ongoing murder investigation. They owe you NOTHING Sonny Boy! Nothing! Zippity Do-da! Zilch! They do not have to produce evidence for you or explain to you why a suspect has been cleared. For Brain Washed People it would only be a waste of time anyway.

Haven't you notice that the Police have stopped making Press Conferences since the end of October? That the only ones speaking about it now seem to be the Defense or the Media expressing their opinions? This is standard protocol in many countries in that Police and Prosecution don't talk about it to the public. They talk about it in court. .

If you want to stamp out crime and corruption in this world then maybe start in Burma (Myanmar) as they have some of the highest crime rates in the World, and by far near the highest Corruption Rate in the World to. Myanmar is tied with Zimbabwe for Corruption, for God's Sake. So if you want to help Burmese People, go their.

My question Mr Gb relates to your statement " a suspect has been cleared" Are you referring to Nomsod?

If that is the case I ask you to advise who cleared him and what were their qualifications and expertise for making that judgment call? If it was Scotland Yard or the FBI I would be impressed.Let us know at the earliest please

[AleG]

The senior police officer investigating the killing of Norfolk student Hannah Witheridge in Thailand said today that he had not investigated rumours that she had been involved in an argument with a Thai youth on the night of her death.

http://www.edp24.co.uk/news/crime/hannah_witheridge_murder_trial_defence_team_hope_to_re_test_crucial_forensic_evidence_1_4164482

Why would they investigate this when they interviewed people at the bar including friends who didn't see such a thing? This is why it is rumor as NOBODY they have spoken to who was at the bar saw it. They police also testified that there was NOBODY on any of the video harassing her. The fact the cop said it was only rumor is something you cannot grasp, you want to hold on to the fact he didn't investigate something that had no only no merit but also that no witness they interviewed or video the viewed indicated the rumor had any credibility at all.

For God's sake there is still a moronic rumor they kid in Bangkok at the time was actually on the tisland. I am sure you want them to continue to pursue this rumor too since it is still a rumor despite them clearing the kid and confirming he was not on the island at the time.

You have to be joking ... with all the BS internet rumors they have wasted their time with, they should spend more time chasing down things that have no credible basis and escape any plausibility.

Is " they kid" you refer to young Nomsod, JTJ?

I stand corrected if you prove me wrong but I read somewhere that " they kid" was in BKK on the 13th and again on the 15th. Is there any evidence that " They kid' was in BKK on 14th which was very close to the date and time of the murders. I understand that until more video can be doctored there is no current evidence of him being in BKK on 14th.

My motive in coming to this forum is to try and promote the old fashioned idea of justice. Please remind us what your motive is, I seem to have forgotten. What is your relationship with the Head man's family?

Your concept of "old fashioned justice" appears to be one were it's just to intimate that people that say something you disagree with do it for some ulterior and malicious reason.

Let me illustrate: have you stopped beating your wife/GF?

Would you consider that a just question?

[sambum]

Don't hold your breath. Did these two horny devils light up before killing David and dragging him into the sea, Or after ? I'd imagine killing someone might have lessened their pangs of passion. Maybe a quick ciggy to get their peckers back on track.

Maybe they asked Hannah to hold the fag for them while they were dragging David into the water.

In reply to Berybert:-

Guilty until proven innocent, eh? "CONSPIRACY THEORY!"

[GOLDBUGGY]

Darkknight666

There you go again! Trying to spread rumors and gossip that have no truth to them at all and have several times here already proved false.

NS did not refuse to give his DNA because he was never ask for it. Understand That! He was never asked for it! He was cleared on his Alibi alone. He gave his DNA on a Volunteer basis only. So why is it that every week you have to be told this? Are you really that forgetful? Or are you just trying to be a Snot Nosed Little Kid?

What makes you think you are so important that the Police and Prosecution in this country, or any other for that matter, owe you any explanation? Least of all in an ongoing murder investigation. They owe you NOTHING Sonny Boy! Nothing! Zippity Do-da! Zilch! They do not have to produce evidence for you or explain to you why a suspect has been cleared. For Brain Washed People it would only be a waste of time anyway.

Haven't you notice that the Police have stopped making Press Conferences since the end of October? That the only ones speaking about it now seem to be the Defense or the Media expressing their opinions? This is standard protocol in many countries in that Police and Prosecution don't talk about it to the public. They talk about it in court. .

If you want to stamp out crime and corruption in this world then maybe start in Burma (Myanmar) as they have some of the highest crime rates in the World, and by far near the highest Corruption Rate in the World to. Myanmar is tied with Zimbabwe for Corruption, for God's Sake. So if you want to help Burmese People, go their.

Uh, LOL.

Listen GB, I've lived here during and followed this case since it happened. I mention NS as often as Shark Tooth, Hoe Man and Mon yet you only complain when I mention NS, why? Yes the police do have an obligation to explain to the people that pay them what evidence they have to convict someone. It has to do with transparency, try google.

And Protocols? They've been proven near non existent in this case and many others. I don't but the evidence police have verbally given, that's not enough for many, many people, my wife and her family, and people all over the world included. Why do you have a problem with that? If Zaw and Win turn up in evidence that can't be disputed then fine, but they haven't... Neither have any other suspects at this point. I'm

Here giving an opinion... That's what this board is for.

Sounds like you may need a nap, you're cranky.

Listen Darkknight666.

You opinion is was not criticized by my post. You have stressed you other opinions on other people and you have noticed I never jump in.

But when you purposely give false and misleading information here, this s not an opinion at all. It is false and misleading information.

You said NS refused to give his DNA to the Police. I told you that he did not refuse as he was never requested to do so.You know this. This is not the only time you have said this and been corrected.

Personally I don't mind anyone's opinion here and whether I agree to it or not. But what I don't like is some Spin Doctor to come here with a pack of lies and totally "Contaminate" "Corrupt" or :"Destroy" this site with purposely misleading garbage. Go to the other ones where it is excepted.

And again No! The Police do not have to explain to you anything, This is what courts are for.

If I seem grumpy it is because someone (we both know) called me names again and a Butthead! I would suggest to that person if he can not be civil to go wash his mouth out with soap and then come back and try again. .

[glenmohr]

The senior police officer investigating the killing of Norfolk student Hannah Witheridge in Thailand said today that he had not investigated rumours that she had been involved in an argument with a Thai youth on the night of her death.

http://www.edp24.co.uk/news/crime/hannah_witheridge_murder_trial_defence_team_hope_to_re_test_crucial_forensic_evidence_1_4164482

Why would they investigate this when they interviewed people at the bar including friends who didn't see such a thing? This is why it is rumor as NOBODY they have spoken to who was at the bar saw it. They police also testified that there was NOBODY on any of the video harassing her. The fact the cop said it was only rumor is something you cannot grasp, you want to hold on to the fact he didn't investigate something that had no only no merit but also that no witness they interviewed or video the viewed indicated the rumor had any credibility at all.

For God's sake there is still a moronic rumor they kid in Bangkok at the time was actually on the tisland. I am sure you want them to continue to pursue this rumor too since it is still a rumor despite them clearing the kid and confirming he was not on the island at the time.

You have to be joking ... with all the BS internet rumors they have wasted their time with, they should spend more time chasing down things that have no credible basis and escape any plausibility.

Is " they kid" you refer to young Nomsod, JTJ?

I stand corrected if you prove me wrong but I read somewhere that " they kid" was in BKK on the 13th and again on the 15th. Is there any evidence that " They kid' was in BKK on 14th which was very close to the date and time of the murders. I understand that until more video can be doctored there is no current evidence of him being in BKK on 14th.

My motive in coming to this forum is to try and promote the old fashioned idea of justice. Please remind us what your motive is, I seem to have forgotten. What is your relationship with the Head man's family?

Your concept of "old fashioned justice" appears to be one were it's just to intimate that people that say something you disagree with do it for some ulterior and malicious reason.

Let me illustrate: have you stopped beating your wife/GF?

Would you consider that a just question?

No Ali G ( nice name) I have not beat my wife or GF and know you did not mean it.

However please be informed that old fashioned justice is old fashioned justice and nothing to do with people disagreeing with me. My teenage children did that all the time and I still love them.

[Nigeone]

The POLICE are the ones that should be on trial for accessory to murder and providing false evidence

Disgusting

I wouldn't go as far as saying "providing false evidence".......

I would.

I kind of agree with both of. The case which up to now was presented to prosecution based on evidence they said they had in relation to the B2 and there guilt. As off today I still haven't seen any evidence put to court in how many days to remotely suggest there guilty. And in fact when challenged on points by the defense the lead investigators answer were a joke and basically amounted to he didn't know. So up to now I would say that this case shouldn't have gone to court based on what's been seen up to now. In fact all its done is confirm,if this was needed that the RTP are incompetent at best and corrupt at worst. Hence why I agree with both of you. Edited July 31, 2015 by Nigeone

[GOLDBUGGY]

Wonder what the posters on here think about what should happen next. It's clear that if the trial continues as is and if the B2 are found guilty despite what's been forthcoming or not in the trial that there will be a appeal. Even the Judge indicated as such last week on listening to the prosecution witnesses. Should be thrown out now, should it proceed till the end of the prosecution and then be called a mistrial or just left to take its course and be open to appeal and ridicule. I'm sure there will be conversations taking place at a high level in the establishment in Thailand as to damage imitation but not sure what there angle will be . Which ever side of the fence you sit on you would have to agree that nothing shown in court by the prosecution up to now has indicated any possible guilt by the B2 but I am not saying for one minute that they might not be guilty or involved in some way. I have my own opinion on the matter and happy to offer it but that's all it is from looking at it objectively from a distance. However as stated with all the failed procedures by the investigating police it's clear this is only going way. I suppose it is possible that if there found not guilty the police would not appeal but it absolutely sure that if found guilty the defense will. This perfect case is clear not to be so and with everything else going on against Thailand at the moment they really could do without this additional embarrassment . Just putting this out there to see what more knowledgable people then me think ?

Clearly, it's too early to say, but the judge gave an indication that the case won't be resolved at this court. Whether a change of mind occurs, will depend on next month's evidence, IMO.

I'm not putting my house on the line, but what western opinion might be in relation to ineptitude, misdirection et al, the Thais will carry on in their own way, however ridiculous it might appear to non-Thais. And that's not to bash them, it's how it's been going on for decades.

I do think the defence have information and the clout to counter the prosecution's case - more so since Andy Hall is seeking legal counsel from the UK. he wouldn't be doing that if the defence case was weak or was unable to refute the prosecution's.

Just throwing this out there, can the Judge or Judges declare that no appeal can take place, more so if the two Myanmar boys are acquitted on very strong evidence ?

In my country a Judge can either make a Ruling, or in very rare cases request the case be tried in a higher court. Since you say the 2 accused where acquitted then the Judge(s) have made a Ruling and would no longer have anything to do with this case. It is only the Prosecutor and Defense(but not wise to do when he has his acquittal) who can now appeal to higher court.

If there was strong evidence of innocents, and as you claim, he more likely will not go to the higher court. .

[Nigeone]

The senior police officer investigating the killing of Norfolk student Hannah Witheridge in Thailand said today that he had not investigated rumours that she had been involved in an argument with a Thai youth on the night of her death.

http://www.edp24.co.uk/news/crime/hannah_witheridge_murder_trial_defence_team_hope_to_re_test_crucial_forensic_evidence_1_4164482

Why would they investigate this when they interviewed people at the bar including friends who didn't see such a thing? This is why it is rumor as NOBODY they have spoken to who was at the bar saw it. They police also testified that there was NOBODY on any of the video harassing her. The fact the cop said it was only rumor is something you cannot grasp, you want to hold on to the fact he didn't investigate something that had no only no merit but also that no witness they interviewed or video the viewed indicated the rumor had any credibility at all.

For God's sake there is still a moronic rumor they kid in Bangkok at the time was actually on the tisland. I am sure you want them to continue to pursue this rumor too since it is still a rumor despite them clearing the kid and confirming he was not on the island at the time.

You have to be joking ... with all the BS internet rumors they have wasted their time with, they should spend more time chasing down things that have no credible basis and escape any plausibility.

Is " they kid" you refer to young Nomsod, JTJ?

I stand corrected if you prove me wrong but I read somewhere that " they kid" was in BKK on the 13th and again on the 15th. Is there any evidence that " They kid' was in BKK on 14th which was very close to the date and time of the murders. I understand that until more video can be doctored there is no current evidence of him being in BKK on 14th.

My motive in coming to this forum is to try and promote the old fashioned idea of justice. Please remind us what your motive is, I seem to have forgotten. What is your relationship with the Head man's family?

Actually that's a very very good point you mention. Was he on the moon on the 14th. He must have been somewhere and there must have been some record or such on where he was

[saminoz]

Uh, LOL.

Listen GB, I've lived here during and followed this case since it happened. I mention NS as often as Shark Tooth, Hoe Man and Mon yet you only complain when I mention NS, why? Yes the police do have an obligation to explain to the people that pay them what evidence they have to convict someone. It has to do with transparency, try google.

And Protocols? They've been proven near non existent in this case and many others. I don't but the evidence police have verbally given, that's not enough for many, many people, my wife and her family, and people all over the world included. Why do you have a problem with that? If Zaw and Win turn up in evidence that can't be disputed then fine, but they haven't... Neither have any other suspects at this point. I'm

Here giving an opinion... That's what this board is for.

Sounds like you may need a nap, you're cranky.

Listen Darkknight666.

You opinion is was not criticized by my post. You have stressed you other opinions on other people and you have noticed I never jump in.

But when you purposely give false and misleading information here, this s not an opinion at all. It is false and misleading information.

You said NS refused to give his DNA to the Police. I told you that he did not refuse as he was never requested to do so.You know this. This is not the only time you have said this and been corrected.

Personally I don't mind anyone's opinion here and whether I agree to it or not. But what I don't like is some Spin Doctor to come here with a pack of lies and totally "Contaminate" "Corrupt" or :"Destroy" this site with purposely misleading garbage. Go to the other ones where it is excepted.

And again No! The Police do not have to explain to you anything, This is what courts are for.

If I seem grumpy it is because someone (we both know) called me names again and a Butthead! I would suggest to that person if he can not be civil to go wash his mouth out with soap and then come back and try again. .

I'm sure he'll do that just as soon as you grow up a little and stop whining on about the same tired old crud.

You have dished out more than your fair share of insults child, so try practicing some respect for other posters yourself. If you could also try coming up with an original thought or two, that would be very nice and most unexpected.

I think we've gone about as far as we can with this thread until the case resumes in court so if both sides could simply try and maintain awareness of their respective positions and key issues, then we probably wouldn't have to have these daily food fights that inevitably end up with Globby spitting out his dummy, JTJ (mis)-quoting the families (again!), Aleg pretending to be pseudo intellectual and everyone else wishing they were as wise (and restrained) as me (no ban for three whole days now!! ).

I am more than willing to give it a rest until something new, relevant and interesting comes up.

Failing that chaps, just ignore the thicket of RTP apologists and they'll be broadcasting blind with no one to parry their dodgy reasoning.

[boomerangutang]

Your argument that there must be a cover up because the police have not continued investigating after the suspects have been arrested and indicted it's probably one of the most absurd and illogical things said regarding this case, and that's saying a lot.

No police anywhere in the world will continue to look for culprits after they hand those they have uncovered to the judicial system, if they would have done that you'd be jumping up and down claiming that proves there's the men on trial are innocent.

You want your cake and eat it too, and can't figure out what the problem is with that.

AleG, if you think the investigation should terminate once scapegoats suspects are put in prison with not bail, then we don't agree. I think the investigation should be on-going. In countries like the US, France and UK, where investigative sciences are miles ahead of Thailand's, investigators sometimes even dust-off crime files that are years old, in order to see whether all avenues were investigated thoroughly, and whether the right people are incarcerated. Granted, it couldn't happen in Thailand, but there's hope that Thai investigators will learn how to do their jobs in at least a semi-professional capacity - .....in the future perhaps?

Show one instance, any at all, where police, after handing over who they think are the only culprits of a crime, continue to investigate looking for, not just other accomplices, but alternative culprits while a trial is underway and no verdict has been reached.

I don't expect you to provide any example, or recognize, in view of that, that your argument is absurd.

There you go, already changing the parameters of what I said. You add "while the trial is underway." I never stated that in my question. I asked what investigative work the RTP has done in the 9 months since the scapegoats were shackled and put in prison. Can you answer that?

[AleG]

Is " they kid" you refer to young Nomsod, JTJ?

I stand corrected if you prove me wrong but I read somewhere that " they kid" was in BKK on the 13th and again on the 15th. Is there any evidence that " They kid' was in BKK on 14th which was very close to the date and time of the murders. I understand that until more video can be doctored there is no current evidence of him being in BKK on 14th.

My motive in coming to this forum is to try and promote the old fashioned idea of justice. Please remind us what your motive is, I seem to have forgotten. What is your relationship with the Head man's family?

Your concept of "old fashioned justice" appears to be one were it's just to intimate that people that say something you disagree with do it for some ulterior and malicious reason.

Let me illustrate: have you stopped beating your wife/GF?

Would you consider that a just question?

No Ali G ( nice name) I have not beat my wife or GF and know you did not mean it.

However please be informed that old fashioned justice is old fashioned justice and nothing to do with people disagreeing with me. My teenage children did that all the time and I still love them.

It's AleG.

No, I didn't mean the question; it was an example and asked if you would consider a loaded question like that, which assumes some degree of guilt on the part of the person you are asking it to is just or not.

To be clear, you asked GOLDBUGGY "What is your relationship with the Head man's family?", not if he has any relationship with people you, among others, speculate that are participating in the framing and cover up of a double murder, you asked what his relationship is, which assumes there is a relationship in the first place.

[Nigeone]

Your argument that there must be a cover up because the police have not continued investigating after the suspects have been arrested and indicted it's probably one of the most absurd and illogical things said regarding this case, and that's saying a lot.

No police anywhere in the world will continue to look for culprits after they hand those they have uncovered to the judicial system, if they would have done that you'd be jumping up and down claiming that proves there's the men on trial are innocent.

You want your cake and eat it too, and can't figure out what the problem is with that.

AleG, if you think the investigation should terminate once scapegoats suspects are put in prison with not bail, then we don't agree. I think the investigation should be on-going. In countries like the US, France and UK, where investigative sciences are miles ahead of Thailand's, investigators sometimes even dust-off crime files that are years old, in order to see whether all avenues were investigated thoroughly, and whether the right people are incarcerated. Granted, it couldn't happen in Thailand, but there's hope that Thai investigators will learn how to do their jobs in at least a semi-professional capacity - .....in the future perhaps?

Show one instance, any at all, where police, after handing over who they think are the only culprits of a crime, continue to investigate looking for, not just other accomplices, but alternative culprits while a trial is underway and no verdict has been reached.

I don't expect you to provide any example, or recognize, in view of that, that your argument is absurd.

There you go, already changing the parameters of what I said. You add "while the trial is underway." I never stated that in my question. I asked what investigative work the RTP has done in the 9 months since the scapegoats were shackled and put in prison. Can you answer that?

We all know the answer to that don't we. Well most of us anyway. We also know why they haven't done any too as they have to work to the blueprint that was dreamt up all those months ago. They have been to busy covering up and trying to justify there case. Not very well I might add. My opinion I might add based on looking on from the outside objectively and unbiased. And before any supporters challenge what I say its my opinion and you really based on today's date and what ive seen your not going to change it !

Edited July 31, 2015 by Nigeone

[AleG]

Your argument that there must be a cover up because the police have not continued investigating after the suspects have been arrested and indicted it's probably one of the most absurd and illogical things said regarding this case, and that's saying a lot.

No police anywhere in the world will continue to look for culprits after they hand those they have uncovered to the judicial system, if they would have done that you'd be jumping up and down claiming that proves there's the men on trial are innocent.

You want your cake and eat it too, and can't figure out what the problem is with that.

AleG, if you think the investigation should terminate once scapegoats suspects are put in prison with not bail, then we don't agree. I think the investigation should be on-going. In countries like the US, France and UK, where investigative sciences are miles ahead of Thailand's, investigators sometimes even dust-off crime files that are years old, in order to see whether all avenues were investigated thoroughly, and whether the right people are incarcerated. Granted, it couldn't happen in Thailand, but there's hope that Thai investigators will learn how to do their jobs in at least a semi-professional capacity - .....in the future perhaps?

Show one instance, any at all, where police, after handing over who they think are the only culprits of a crime, continue to investigate looking for, not just other accomplices, but alternative culprits while a trial is underway and no verdict has been reached.

I don't expect you to provide any example, or recognize, in view of that, that your argument is absurd.

There you go, already changing the parameters of what I said. You add "while the trial is underway." I never stated that in my question. I asked what investigative work the RTP has done in the 9 months since the scapegoats were shackled and put in prison. Can you answer that?

What you asked is nonsense, I gave you the opportunity to demonstrate otherwise and, as expected, you shirked.

No police force in the world will continue to look for culprits after they hand who they think are responsible to the judicial system to be put to trial; you are simply groping around to find any reason, however illogical it may be, to prop up a narrative that has no real support.

[Darkknight666]

Darkknight666

There you go again! Trying to spread rumors and gossip that have no truth to them at all and have several times here already proved false.

NS did not refuse to give his DNA because he was never ask for it. Understand That! He was never asked for it! He was cleared on his Alibi alone. He gave his DNA on a Volunteer basis only. So why is it that every week you have to be told this? Are you really that forgetful? Or are you just trying to be a Snot Nosed Little Kid?

What makes you think you are so important that the Police and Prosecution in this country, or any other for that matter, owe you any explanation? Least of all in an ongoing murder investigation. They owe you NOTHING Sonny Boy! Nothing! Zippity Do-da! Zilch! They do not have to produce evidence for you or explain to you why a suspect has been cleared. For Brain Washed People it would only be a waste of time anyway.

Haven't you notice that the Police have stopped making Press Conferences since the end of October? That the only ones speaking about it now seem to be the Defense or the Media expressing their opinions? This is standard protocol in many countries in that Police and Prosecution don't talk about it to the public. They talk about it in court. .

If you want to stamp out crime and corruption in this world then maybe start in Burma (Myanmar) as they have some of the highest crime rates in the World, and by far near the highest Corruption Rate in the World to. Myanmar is tied with Zimbabwe for Corruption, for God's Sake. So if you want to help Burmese People, go their.

Uh, LOL.

Listen GB, I've lived here during and followed this case since it happened. I mention NS as often as Shark Tooth, Hoe Man and Mon yet you only complain when I mention NS, why? Yes the police do have an obligation to explain to the people that pay them what evidence they have to convict someone. It has to do with transparency, try google.

And Protocols? They've been proven near non existent in this case and many others. I don't but the evidence police have verbally given, that's not enough for many, many people, my wife and her family, and people all over the world included. Why do you have a problem with that? If Zaw and Win turn up in evidence that can't be disputed then fine, but they haven't... Neither have any other suspects at this point. I'm

Here giving an opinion... That's what this board is for.

Sounds like you may need a nap, you're cranky.

Listen Darkknight666.

You opinion is was not criticized by my post. You have stressed you other opinions on other people and you have noticed I never jump in.

But when you purposely give false and misleading information here, this s not an opinion at all. It is false and misleading information.

You said NS refused to give his DNA to the Police. I told you that he did not refuse as he was never requested to do so.You know this. This is not the only time you have said this and been corrected.

Personally I don't mind anyone's opinion here and whether I agree to it or not. But what I don't like is some Spin Doctor to come here with a pack of lies and totally "Contaminate" "Corrupt" or :"Destroy" this site with purposely misleading garbage. Go to the other ones where it is excepted.

And again No! The Police do not have to explain to you anything, This is what courts are for.

If I seem grumpy it is because someone (we both know) called me names again and a Butthead! I would suggest to that person if he can not be civil to go wash his mouth out with soap and then come back and try again. .

I didn't see the insult to you only a reply about it drone Bones.. Anyway, about the refusal of DNA on Civil/Human rights I haven't found anything, I am however still looking so I won't mention that again without at least something like a news report from a trusted news source.

The police don't have to explain anything to me you're correct.. But they do answer to the Thai people and Not all of them want this to die down so tourism isn't hurt. I hold no ill will for you I just can't understand your way of thinking, Nor can you with mine.

My one and only motivation is for the people, whoever they may be, face justice. That's it.

[glenmohr]

Wonder what the posters on here think about what should happen next. It's clear that if the trial continues as is and if the B2 are found guilty despite what's been forthcoming or not in the trial that there will be a appeal. Even the Judge indicated as such last week on listening to the prosecution witnesses. Should be thrown out now, should it proceed till the end of the prosecution and then be called a mistrial or just left to take its course and be open to appeal and ridicule. I'm sure there will be conversations taking place at a high level in the establishment in Thailand as to damage imitation but not sure what there angle will be . Which ever side of the fence you sit on you would have to agree that nothing shown in court by the prosecution up to now has indicated any possible guilt by the B2 but I am not saying for one minute that they might not be guilty or involved in some way. I have my own opinion on the matter and happy to offer it but that's all it is from looking at it objectively from a distance. However as stated with all the failed procedures by the investigating police it's clear this is only going way. I suppose it is possible that if there found not guilty the police would not appeal but it absolutely sure that if found guilty the defense will. This perfect case is clear not to be so and with everything else going on against Thailand at the moment they really could do without this additional embarrassment . Just putting this out there to see what more knowledgable people then me think ?

Clearly, it's too early to say, but the judge gave an indication that the case won't be resolved at this court. Whether a change of mind occurs, will depend on next month's evidence, IMO.

I'm not putting my house on the line, but what western opinion might be in relation to ineptitude, misdirection et al, the Thais will carry on in their own way, however ridiculous it might appear to non-Thais. And that's not to bash them, it's how it's been going on for decades.

I do think the defence have information and the clout to counter the prosecution's case - more so since Andy Hall is seeking legal counsel from the UK. he wouldn't be doing that if the defence case was weak or was unable to refute the prosecution's.

Just throwing this out there, can the Judge or Judges declare that no appeal can take place, more so if the two Myanmar boys are acquitted on very strong evidence ?

In my country a Judge can either make a Ruling, or in very rare cases request the case be tried in a higher court. Since you say the 2 accused where acquitted then the Judge(s) have made a Ruling and would no longer have anything to do with this case. It is only the Prosecutor and Defense(but not wise to do when he has his acquittal) who can now appeal to higher court.

If there was strong evidence of innocents, and as you claim, he more likely will not go to the higher court. .

Hey GB, You say " In my country.." I thought you lived in Thailand, please advise.

[boomerangutang]

Both quotes by GB, below, are addressed to darkknight, but I'll step in the fray. . . . .

You said NS refused to give his DNA to the Police. I told you that he did not refuse as he was never requested to do so. You know this. This is not the only time you have said this and been corrected.

I'll correct you again. First off, do you have any proof/sources that NS was not asked for DNA? Secondly, if a person is a suspect in a serious crime (which he was), then it's assumed he would do anything reasonable to dispense of those suspicions. Refusing to offer DNA, along with running and hiding from police - are indications of guilt. Yes, we know of the later press event re; NS' DNA. We also know, more recently, that it was shown by a top RTP detective, in court testimony, to have been a sham show. Next.....

As if any more proofs were needed, RTP top brass announced, right after the Nomsod's DNA show that they wouldn't share findings with Brit experts. I believe (maybe naively) that NS's DNA was typed correctly, but now we find there is no official record of it. It was most likely not even compared to the DNA found on Hannah. Do RTP even have the DNA found on Hannah? Judging by how they're trying so hard to evade any re-examination of DNA, it's hard to tell what RTP have. Are they untrustworthy? Are they hiding crucial data? All their actions point that way. If it walks, shits and quacks like a duck,.......

And again No! The Police do not have to explain to you anything, This is what courts are for. If I seem grumpy it is because someone (we both know) called me names again and a Butthead! I would suggest to that person if he can not be civil to go wash his mouth out with soap and then come back and try again.

You're right, the police have no obligation toward any of us posters on T.Visa. There is a quaint general concept about how police worldwide are supposed to protect everyone in their jurisdiction (not just rich VIPs), but we don't expect any such silliness here in Land of Smiles. By not doing their jobs properly, Thai police are endangering everyone who strolls around KT (and other beach resorts?).

I just met with 5 young Danish gals this morning. they asked me where I recommend going in southern Thailand. I said most places are ok, but be wary of Ko Tao, Pang Gnan, and Phi Phi. As far as I know, those are the 3 most dangerous places for farang backpackers - where the odds are highest for getting f'ked over or worse.

[metisdead]

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[glenmohr]

The senior police officer investigating the killing of Norfolk student Hannah Witheridge in Thailand said today that he had not investigated rumours that she had been involved in an argument with a Thai youth on the night of her death.

http://www.edp24.co.uk/news/crime/hannah_witheridge_murder_trial_defence_team_hope_to_re_test_crucial_forensic_evidence_1_4164482

Why would they investigate this when they interviewed people at the bar including friends who didn't see such a thing? This is why it is rumor as NOBODY they have spoken to who was at the bar saw it. They police also testified that there was NOBODY on any of the video harassing her. The fact the cop said it was only rumor is something you cannot grasp, you want to hold on to the fact he didn't investigate something that had no only no merit but also that no witness they interviewed or video the viewed indicated the rumor had any credibility at all.

For God's sake there is still a moronic rumor they kid in Bangkok at the time was actually on the tisland. I am sure you want them to continue to pursue this rumor too since it is still a rumor despite them clearing the kid and confirming he was not on the island at the time.

You have to be joking ... with all the BS internet rumors they have wasted their time with, they should spend more time chasing down things that have no credible basis and escape any plausibility.

Is " they kid" you refer to young Nomsod, JTJ?

I stand corrected if you prove me wrong but I read somewhere that " they kid" was in BKK on the 13th and again on the 15th. Is there any evidence that " They kid' was in BKK on 14th which was very close to the date and time of the murders. I understand that until more video can be doctored there is no current evidence of him being in BKK on 14th.

My motive in coming to this forum is to try and promote the old fashioned idea of justice. Please remind us what your motive is, I seem to have forgotten. What is your relationship with the Head man's family?

Actually that's a very very good point you mention. Was he on the moon on the 14th. He must have been somewhere and there must have been some record or such on where he was

Given that no one saw him on the moon Nige, it is still possible he was up there, baggy shorts and no shirt, After all nobody saw him on Koh Tao and he may have been there also. My feeling is that this young studdish son of a rich man gets around many locations, shame the videos on the moon were not working on that date. Got to hand it to John Glenn and his crew, at least they double checked the videos were on before they went up there.

[Darkknight666]

Your argument that there must be a cover up because the police have not continued investigating after the suspects have been arrested and indicted it's probably one of the most absurd and illogical things said regarding this case, and that's saying a lot.

No police anywhere in the world will continue to look for culprits after they hand those they have uncovered to the judicial system, if they would have done that you'd be jumping up and down claiming that proves there's the men on trial are innocent.

You want your cake and eat it too, and can't figure out what the problem is with that.

AleG, if you think the investigation should terminate once scapegoats suspects are put in prison with not bail, then we don't agree. I think the investigation should be on-going. In countries like the US, France and UK, where investigative sciences are miles ahead of Thailand's, investigators sometimes even dust-off crime files that are years old, in order to see whether all avenues were investigated thoroughly, and whether the right people are incarcerated. Granted, it couldn't happen in Thailand, but there's hope that Thai investigators will learn how to do their jobs in at least a semi-professional capacity - .....in the future perhaps?

Show one instance, any at all, where police, after handing over who they think are the only culprits of a crime, continue to investigate looking for, not just other accomplices, but alternative culprits while a trial is underway and no verdict has been reached.

I don't expect you to provide any example, or recognize, in view of that, that your argument is absurd.

How about when burglars are caught, they have two in custody and it's reported there were four assailants?

You think they stop looking for the others? Lol.

How could 2 small men overpower David and Hannah (going by the RTP theory of D&H being intimate and B2 have sudden rage-lust) without one of them getting away? IMO there were at minimum 3 people on the beach that night assaulting David and Hannah. Why does it say in the article above there WAS an altercation at AC bar that cops were aware of? Headman says he doesn't know where his son is, then says everyone knows he was at university. All of the discrepancies amount to a massive pile nobody dare try to explain. Also, why did RTP accept help from the FBI only to turn it down? This is a major case in sensitive times, why not allow transparency?

Looking forward to your off topic snark.

[boomerangutang]

There you go, already changing the parameters of what I said. You add "while the trial is underway." I never stated that in my question. I asked what investigative work the RTP has done in the 9 months since the scapegoats were shackled and put in prison. Can you answer that?

What you asked is nonsense, I gave you the opportunity to demonstrate otherwise and, as expected, you shirked.

No police force in the world will continue to look for culprits after they hand who they think are responsible to the judicial system to be put to trial; you are simply groping around to find any reason, however illogical it may be, to prop up a narrative that has no real support.

Why am I not surprised you're not answering the question.

We don't agree. Ok. It's not the end of the world - not for us anyway, but maybe will be the end of the world for the scapegoats if they get executed.

Investigations should not seize because scapegoats are charged and put in jail. Not unless the investigators don't want to hear or see any more data which might shed light on whodonit. By all indications, Thai investigators in this case don't want to see or hear anything which might implicate the real perps. What have the investigators done to earn their salaries for the past 8 months? You tell me. All they've done is re-write their accusatory crap fingering the B2, so it would suit the prosecution. That happened last winter, and did a poor job of their frame-up fiction. The proof is how the prosecution has imploded in their first 2/3 of their presentations. In a fair world, the prosecution should have never accepted anything the RTP handed them. If they had asked me, I'd have told them it's a pile of hog manure. But the didn't ask any reasonably fair-minded people like me, so all they've got is a soggy case with no hope of conviction - unless the judges are hell-bent of finding the B2 guilty no matter what.

[boomerangutang]

AleG, if you think the investigation should terminate once scapegoats suspects are put in prison with not bail, then we don't agree. I think the investigation should be on-going. In countries like the US, France and UK, where investigative sciences are miles ahead of Thailand's, investigators sometimes even dust-off crime files that are years old, in order to see whether all avenues were investigated thoroughly, and whether the right people are incarcerated. Granted, it couldn't happen in Thailand, but there's hope that Thai investigators will learn how to do their jobs in at least a semi-professional capacity - .....in the future perhaps?

Show one instance, any at all, where police, after handing over who they think are the only culprits of a crime, continue to investigate looking for, not just other accomplices, but alternative culprits while a trial is underway and no verdict has been reached.

I don't expect you to provide any example, or recognize, in view of that, that your argument is absurd.

How about when burglars are caught, they have two in custody and it's reported there were four assailants?

You think they stop looking for the others? Lol.

How could 2 small men overpower David and Hannah (going by the RTP theory of D&H being intimate and B2 have sudden rage-lust) without one of them getting away? IMO there were at minimum 3 people on the beach that night assaulting David and Hannah. Why does it say in the article above there WAS an altercation at AC bar that cops were aware of? Headman says he doesn't know where his son is, then says everyone knows he was at university. All of the discrepancies amount to a massive pile nobody dare try to explain. Also, why did RTP accept help from the FBI only to turn it down? This is a major case in sensitive times, why not allow transparency?

Looking forward to your off topic snark.

AleG wants to paint what he personally wants (no investigation) as what's modus operandi for detectives. A note to AleG: wanting something badly, doesn't make it the rule of the land. Detectives are trained to detect what really happened at a crime scene. There isn't some voodoo moment when they're supposed to seize all detective work, and quit considering viable alternatives. Even during a trial, if a bloody shirt, for example was found under Mon's bed, that might be something to investigate. According to AleG, there's nothing more a detective should think or do, once suspects are in custody.

[glenmohr]

We don't believe NS "evidence" his lawyer gave for him being in Bangkok... Also all of the info is coming from one side with a vested interest in the outcome of the case. Conflict of interest anyone? Normally evidence given to clear a suspect is given to the public in great detail, Because the public want to feel sure criminals are held accountable, and police are held accountable to the standards of the law. Your new, maybe you won't dodge the question.... If NS is innocent why has he given nothing else to prove it? There are what 500K cameras all over Bangkok, and that's all he can give? Also, why did he hide? Why did he initially refuse to give DNA citing his "Human Rights"? Why is there even a Rumor he was on the Island?

Whether JTJ is paid for his posts is not important. What's important is trying to sift through the lies and get to the truth. The truth put forth so far is bleeding from every orifice.

I do understand your sense of frustration at not getting the answers you want, but what we need to remember this is a trial which is happening now and whether we like it or not there is a good chance we are not privy to all the details of what is transpiring in the court room, and the evidence presented.

From someone who has just stepped into this discussion and read through the vast amount of postings there is clearly two camps which have been set up, those for the boys from Myanmar and those against, but the end game is all want justice. The problem now both sides are entrenched in there respective corners and will not change now, partly driven from the fact you would be bombarded with 'i told you so' postings.

I understand no one believes the NS evidence, i have to admit it is not overly convincing, but again how much do we actually know. Is such as cover up of this scale actually possible, but it only takes one photograph or one piece of CCTV evidence and the walls will come tumbling down, and the ramifications pretty bad. I am sure there are conflicts of interest, is this not normal, is it not natural that the Resort owner would protect his son anyway he could, and if that involves paying of the policemen to make this go away then that's what has to be done, very unethical if that is the case.

With regard to NS not giving more evidence, i suspect the answer is 'why should he' he has already presented information, the best option would no doubt be lay low, if you start giving yourself more exposure it will undoubtedly raise more risks. I was not aware he refused to give his DNA, but understand this was performed later at the infamous press conference, but what the DNA was matched to i really am not sure.

The one thing i simply cannot get my head around is, if it is one big cover up, how would it even be possible, surely one person would have come forward with some information, but on the other hand, maybe they have and we have yet to see such information out in the open.

For me, i am looking forward to the defence having their day in court, from what i have read they seem to have some vital information which will contradict the information the police have presented, but we also have to be prepared for the fact it may be not as explosive as people are hoping for. I expect it will be from one of the deceased friends, and will be 'photographic' rather than just verbal evidence which will give a strong indication as to what transpired that night, and maybe substantiate the 'rumours' or maybe i am completely wrong, who knows.

I don't believe JTJ and the others are being paid, they are simply offering counter arguments, which frustrates people into making these statements, more likely they just enjoy the banter.

As a final note, i seen someone post the word 'dillweed' think it has been edited out now, but that was hilarious, Beavis and Butt-head used to use that word all the time... nice one.

Bonez, you make the good point that no one has come forward etc.. Just a thought, David Miller came forward and he died for that. Wonder if some people having observed that have decided life beats death. Seems logical

Hi Glenmohr

I don't believe we will ever know the final sequence of events at the time the deceased were tragically taken away, this is for the authorities to piece together. I do hope David was a hero until the end, that's the picture i will embed in my mind.

The current situation is that the two Myanmar boys are in prison based on evidence the police have presented as part of their initial prosecution case, that a fact we have to realise, rightly or wrongly.

Yes although Sean is a character of doubtful repute he did post on FB, " David you are the most honourable guy I ever met" or words to that effect. I like to believe Sean was speaking from the truth in that instance.

[stephenterry]

When the judge gives his verdict on the b2 either the defence or prosecution can apply to the appeals court for a ruling. They can accept or reject the application. If accepted and a ruling is obtained the case can be referred to the supreme court for a final decision. It could take years.

What normally happens should your example happen. As regards keeping the B2 in custody or not.

Would that depend on the result ie not guilty lets out on bail or guilty would keep them in custody till appeal. Or is there no generalisation? Knowing Thailand it's on a whim!

They will not be set free while an appeals process is taking place. Bail has been denied at all stages so far. Unlikely to change. That's my understanding.

In any 'normal' court if they are found not guilty they would not indeed need bail, they would be free pending the appeal result.

If found guilty they would be behind bars pending appeal result.

However I do recall a case in Thailand where someone (maybe a cop) was on bail after a guilty verdict but cant be bothered finding it.

It doesn't work like that here. I also recalled a case where the accused were found not guilty and still had a massive job to gain freedom. I suspect the b2 wouldn't be released for a long time.

[boomerangutang]

Hello, let's not make fun of a person's moniker - the name or picture they use on ThaiVisa. There are more important things to try and grapple with. Just because a person's name resembles someone else's - should not be a factor,

unless they called themselves something like 'ILoveHilter' (purposeful mis-spelling), or 'PolPotRules'

It's getting late, I gotta go to some other website before my mind turns to escargot.

[Linky]

GOLDBUGGY, you use the word 'all'. I don't think anyone said ALL the evidence has been contaminated/compromised/destroyed. Plus you didn't use the words 'misrepresented' or 'planted', but again some evidence has been subject to those words, and some not. Please try not to paint the online detective work (the work that RTP should have been doing) in such simplistic all-or-nothing language. There is still some evidence which was not contaminated or mis-read or altered, though we'll probably have to wait for the defense's case to find out what that is.

Here's a Q: What has RTP done since November 2014, to try and move the investigation along? Granted, we don't know everything they do, but still, in 9 months, has there been any announcement of anything (pertaining to the investigation) from RTP? Has any of the court proceedings indicated anything's been done? Are there any RTP officers supposedly working to uncover the truth of the crime? They've all been getting salaries for the past 9 months? ....but for doing what? If I fry one egg, I've done more than all RTP officials working on this case have done for the past 9 months. Prove me wrong, if you can.

Rule #1: Never investigate rumors. Because they might be true and then must be called "facts". 555

Rule #2: Never forget it is just a rumor..... if still unsure refer back to Rule #2

Bonez, perhaps you're trying to be cute, but rumors are a big part of what good detectives feed upon. In investigations, they call them leads. An adept detective is supposed to follow leads, and see whether they're worthwhile and substantiated. If not, they're dropped. Thai detectives work with different parameters. They're told by higher-ups what conclusion is demanded. Then it's up to Thai detectives to find the puzzle pieces, valid or not, to complete the puzzle - to please their higher ups. If they have to fake evidence, the will. Any leads which point at someone/something which higher ups don't want to see - are stuffed or misconstrued.

Your argument that there must be a cover up because the police have not continued investigating after the suspects have been arrested and indicted it's probably one of the most absurd and illogical things said regarding this case, and that's saying a lot.

No police anywhere in the world will continue to look for culprits after they hand those they have uncovered to the judicial system, if they would have done that you'd be jumping up and down claiming that proves there's the men on trial are innocent.

You want your cake and eat it too, and can't figure out what the problem is with that.

Of course they do. They do it all the time.

A gang commit rape or murder and they have good evidence on at least one guy. Theybarrest him. But theybalso continue further investigations to try find the others. Even after first guy in jail they continue, they try many people hings to get him to talk such as a lesser sentence etc.

They do these things all the time if they have leads more than one did it because if the further investigation indicates no other person was involved that further evidence can assist prosecution when defence try to blame someone else.

It is more than common practice.

Edit: to do otherwise gives defense a great opening to show incompetence in the investigation as it indicates police did not have an open mind.

Edited July 31, 2015 by Linky

[IslandLover]

We don't believe NS "evidence" his lawyer gave for him being in Bangkok... Also all of the info is coming from one side with a vested interest in the outcome of the case. Conflict of interest anyone? Normally evidence given to clear a suspect is given to the public in great detail, Because the public want to feel sure criminals are held accountable, and police are held accountable to the standards of the law. Your new, maybe you won't dodge the question.... If NS is innocent why has he given nothing else to prove it? There are what 500K cameras all over Bangkok, and that's all he can give? Also, why did he hide? Why did he initially refuse to give DNA citing his "Human Rights"? Why is there even a Rumor he was on the Island?

Whether JTJ is paid for his posts is not important. What's important is trying to sift through the lies and get to the truth. The truth put forth so far is bleeding from every orifice.

I do understand your sense of frustration at not getting the answers you want, but what we need to remember this is a trial which is happening now and whether we like it or not there is a good chance we are not privy to all the details of what is transpiring in the court room, and the evidence presented.

From someone who has just stepped into this discussion and read through the vast amount of postings there is clearly two camps which have been set up, those for the boys from Myanmar and those against, but the end game is all want justice. The problem now both sides are entrenched in there respective corners and will not change now, partly driven from the fact you would be bombarded with 'i told you so' postings.

I understand no one believes the NS evidence, i have to admit it is not overly convincing, but again how much do we actually know. Is such as cover up of this scale actually possible, but it only takes one photograph or one piece of CCTV evidence and the walls will come tumbling down, and the ramifications pretty bad. I am sure there are conflicts of interest, is this not normal, is it not natural that the Resort owner would protect his son anyway he could, and if that involves paying of the policemen to make this go away then that's what has to be done, very unethical if that is the case.

With regard to NS not giving more evidence, i suspect the answer is 'why should he' he has already presented information, the best option would no doubt be lay low, if you start giving yourself more exposure it will undoubtedly raise more risks. I was not aware he refused to give his DNA, but understand this was performed later at the infamous press conference, but what the DNA was matched to i really am not sure.

The one thing i simply cannot get my head around is, if it is one big cover up, how would it even be possible, surely one person would have come forward with some information, but on the other hand, maybe they have and we have yet to see such information out in the open.

For me, i am looking forward to the defence having their day in court, from what i have read they seem to have some vital information which will contradict the information the police have presented, but we also have to be prepared for the fact it may be not as explosive as people are hoping for. I expect it will be from one of the deceased friends, and will be 'photographic' rather than just verbal evidence which will give a strong indication as to what transpired that night, and maybe substantiate the 'rumours' or maybe i am completely wrong, who knows.

I don't believe JTJ and the others are being paid, they are simply offering counter arguments, which frustrates people into making these statements, more likely they just enjoy the banter.

As a final note, i seen someone post the word 'dillweed' think it has been edited out now, but that was hilarious, Beavis and Butt-head used to use that word all the time... nice one.

Bonez, you make the good point that no one has come forward etc.. Just a thought, David Miller came forward and he died for that. Wonder if some people having observed that have decided life beats death. Seems logical

Sean McAnna obviously thinks so.

[IslandLover]

The senior police officer investigating the killing of Norfolk student Hannah Witheridge in Thailand said today that he had not investigated rumours that she had been involved in an argument with a Thai youth on the night of her death.

http://www.edp24.co.uk/news/crime/hannah_witheridge_murder_trial_defence_team_hope_to_re_test_crucial_forensic_evidence_1_4164482

Why would they investigate this when they interviewed people at the bar including friends who didn't see such a thing? This is why it is rumor as NOBODY they have spoken to who was at the bar saw it. They police also testified that there was NOBODY on any of the video harassing her. The fact the cop said it was only rumor is something you cannot grasp, you want to hold on to the fact he didn't investigate something that had no only no merit but also that no witness they interviewed or video the viewed indicated the rumor had any credibility at all.

For God's sake there is still a moronic rumor they kid in Bangkok at the time was actually on the tisland. I am sure you want them to continue to pursue this rumor too since it is still a rumor despite them clearing the kid and confirming he was not on the island at the time.

You have to be joking ... with all the BS internet rumors they have wasted their time with, they should spend more time chasing down things that have no credible basis and escape any plausibility.

Is " they kid" you refer to young Nomsod, JTJ?

I stand corrected if you prove me wrong but I read somewhere that " they kid" was in BKK on the 13th and again on the 15th. Is there any evidence that " They kid' was in BKK on 14th which was very close to the date and time of the murders. I understand that until more video can be doctored there is no current evidence of him being in BKK on 14th.

My motive in coming to this forum is to try and promote the old fashioned idea of justice. Please remind us what your motive is, I seem to have forgotten. What is your relationship with the Head man's family?

Actually that's a very very good point you mention. Was he on the moon on the 14th. He must have been somewhere and there must have been some record or such on where he was

He was in the AC bar according to one of his DJ buddies.

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Here is one instance after 10 seconds on google

Arrest made in connection to homicide investigation - FOX10 News ...

www.fox10tv.com/.../arrest-made-in-connection-to-homicide-investigation

One week after Davis' death, police say they arrested Demarcus Perdue "in connection with this homicide." Mobile Police say they are continuing to investigate ...

Here's a case much closer to home:

What happened when the RTP gave the case file to the prosecutors for the first time? They gave it back and said now now boys go and get some more evidence.

What happened when the RTP gave the case file to the prosecutors for the second time? They returned it again saying we need even more!

What happened when the RTP submitted the file again! Nope still not good enough, go get some evidence.

Only on the 4th occasion did the prosecutors accept the case to take the B2 to court.

So one would presume to get all this extra evidence needed then it was not just to the local Tesco's with the shopping trolley but they actually needed to carry on investigating.

Says something when the prosecutor has the DNA evidence submitted by the RTP and says thats not enough.

To add to that, on the preliminary hearing at court back in Dec the defense put in for bail, the prosecutors did not oppose the application! It was the judge who decided they were a flight risk.

Anyway looks like all the padded evidence they put in the reports was crap judging by the case so far.