Koh Tao murder trial reconvenes in Koh Samui

[Rykbanlor]

Yes Tony, I'm sure in their stricken poverty, the underpaid, overabused Burmese can just pack up and move on whenever things are uncomfortable for them, just like all the business owners, who would surely think nothing of abandoning their business and livelihoods at the drop of a hat.

Stricken poverty ? how comes then Zaw Lin Managed to send home USD 2000 in 2 years ?

http://time.com/3955081/thailand-koh-tao-murder-david-miller-hannah-witheridge-zaw-lin-wai-phyo-burma-myanmar/

And have enough left to buy a guitar, beers and smokes ? Maybe its all the phones they keep finding on the beach ?

Another shill who has lost touch with reality. $2,000 sent home in 2 years is a pittance works out about 1,479 THB per month, was it his guitar? Was it his motorbike? Are you saying their not entitled to buy cigarettes and have a few drinks on their night off work once a month?

The RTP are rather good at finding phones on the beach also, only problem being they fail to answer who they belong to.

Beer? Cigarettes? What vile affluence! I hope they didn't spill any on their silken tunics.

[Tony121]

Yes Tony, I'm sure in their stricken poverty, the underpaid, overabused Burmese can just pack up and move on whenever things are uncomfortable for them, just like all the business owners, who would surely think nothing of abandoning their business and livelihoods at the drop of a hat.

Stricken poverty ? how comes then Zaw Lin Managed to send home USD 2000 in 2 years ?

http://time.com/3955081/thailand-koh-tao-murder-david-miller-hannah-witheridge-zaw-lin-wai-phyo-burma-myanmar/

And have enough left to buy a guitar, beers and smokes ? Maybe its all the phones they keep finding on the beach ?

Another shill who has lost touch with reality. $2,000 sent home in 2 years is a pittance works out about 1,479 THB per month, was it his guitar? Was it his motorbike? Are you saying their not entitled to buy cigarettes and have a few drinks on their night off work once a month?

The RTP are rather good at finding phones on the beach also, only problem being they fail to answer who they belong to.

it might be a pittance to you but that is not pittance to an average thai, and my point is all the Burmese there should be able to save money to get them back to Burma. so why have they not all left ?

[Rykbanlor]

Yes Tony, I'm sure in their stricken poverty, the underpaid, overabused Burmese can just pack up and move on whenever things are uncomfortable for them, just like all the business owners, who would surely think nothing of abandoning their business and livelihoods at the drop of a hat.

Stricken poverty ? how comes then Zaw Lin Managed to send home USD 2000 in 2 years ?

http://time.com/3955081/thailand-koh-tao-murder-david-miller-hannah-witheridge-zaw-lin-wai-phyo-burma-myanmar/

And have enough left to buy a guitar, beers and smokes ? Maybe its all the phones they keep finding on the beach ?

Another shill who has lost touch with reality. $2,000 sent home in 2 years is a pittance works out about 1,479 THB per month, was it his guitar? Was it his motorbike? Are you saying their not entitled to buy cigarettes and have a few drinks on their night off work once a month?

The RTP are rather good at finding phones on the beach also, only problem being they fail to answer who they belong to.

it might be a pittance to you but that is not pittance to an average thai, and my point is all the Burmese there should be able to save money to get them back to Burma. so why have they not all left ?

Yes damnit, why haven't they all left. back to the persecution and lower wages in their restive states.

[Tony121]

Yes Tony, I'm sure in their stricken poverty, the underpaid, overabused Burmese can just pack up and move on whenever things are uncomfortable for them, just like all the business owners, who would surely think nothing of abandoning their business and livelihoods at the drop of a hat.

Stricken poverty ? how comes then Zaw Lin Managed to send home USD 2000 in 2 years ?

http://time.com/3955081/thailand-koh-tao-murder-david-miller-hannah-witheridge-zaw-lin-wai-phyo-burma-myanmar/

And have enough left to buy a guitar, beers and smokes ? Maybe its all the phones they keep finding on the beach ?

Another shill who has lost touch with reality. $2,000 sent home in 2 years is a pittance works out about 1,479 THB per month, was it his guitar? Was it his motorbike? Are you saying their not entitled to buy cigarettes and have a few drinks on their night off work once a month?

The RTP are rather good at finding phones on the beach also, only problem being they fail to answer who they belong to.

Beer? Cigarettes? What vile affluence! I hope they didn't spill any on their silken tunics.

it is if you are in stricken poverty ? if they are paid as poorly as you claim a pack of L&M is half a days wages.

[Linky]

Yes Tony, I'm sure in their stricken poverty, the underpaid, overabused Burmese can just pack up and move on whenever things are uncomfortable for them, just like all the business owners, who would surely think nothing of abandoning their business and livelihoods at the drop of a hat.

Stricken poverty ? how comes then Zaw Lin Managed to send home USD 2000 in 2 years ?

http://time.com/3955081/thailand-koh-tao-murder-david-miller-hannah-witheridge-zaw-lin-wai-phyo-burma-myanmar/

And have enough left to buy a guitar, beers and smokes ? Maybe its all the phones they keep finding on the beach ?

Another shill who has lost touch with reality. $2,000 sent home in 2 years is a pittance works out about 1,479 THB per month, was it his guitar? Was it his motorbike? Are you saying their not entitled to buy cigarettes and have a few drinks on their night off work once a month?

The RTP are rather good at finding phones on the beach also, only problem being they fail to answer who they belong to.

it might be a pittance to you but that is not pittance to an average thai, and my point is all the Burmese there should be able to save money to get them back to Burma. so why have they not all left ?

Because he has a visa that allows him to work. Why SHOULD they all leave?

[thailandchilli]

Yes Tony, I'm sure in their stricken poverty, the underpaid, overabused Burmese can just pack up and move on whenever things are uncomfortable for them, just like all the business owners, who would surely think nothing of abandoning their business and livelihoods at the drop of a hat.

Stricken poverty ? how comes then Zaw Lin Managed to send home USD 2000 in 2 years ?

http://time.com/3955081/thailand-koh-tao-murder-david-miller-hannah-witheridge-zaw-lin-wai-phyo-burma-myanmar/

And have enough left to buy a guitar, beers and smokes ? Maybe its all the phones they keep finding on the beach ?

Another shill who has lost touch with reality. $2,000 sent home in 2 years is a pittance works out about 1,479 THB per month, was it his guitar? Was it his motorbike? Are you saying their not entitled to buy cigarettes and have a few drinks on their night off work once a month?

The RTP are rather good at finding phones on the beach also, only problem being they fail to answer who they belong to.

it might be a pittance to you but that is not pittance to an average thai, and my point is all the Burmese there should be able to save money to get them back to Burma. so why have they not all left ?

No that was not your point at all its just that you've showed your ignorance again and trying to squirm out of it. How amusing

[Rykbanlor]

Stricken poverty ? how comes then Zaw Lin Managed to send home USD 2000 in 2 years ?

http://time.com/3955081/thailand-koh-tao-murder-david-miller-hannah-witheridge-zaw-lin-wai-phyo-burma-myanmar/

And have enough left to buy a guitar, beers and smokes ? Maybe its all the phones they keep finding on the beach ?

Another shill who has lost touch with reality. $2,000 sent home in 2 years is a pittance works out about 1,479 THB per month, was it his guitar? Was it his motorbike? Are you saying their not entitled to buy cigarettes and have a few drinks on their night off work once a month?

The RTP are rather good at finding phones on the beach also, only problem being they fail to answer who they belong to.

Beer? Cigarettes? What vile affluence! I hope they didn't spill any on their silken tunics.

it is if you are in stricken poverty ? if they are paid as poorly as you claim a pack of L&M is half a days wages.

Yes, they should retreat to Burma, where they can get paid even less.

[Tony121]

Yes Tony, I'm sure in their stricken poverty, the underpaid, overabused Burmese can just pack up and move on whenever things are uncomfortable for them, just like all the business owners, who would surely think nothing of abandoning their business and livelihoods at the drop of a hat.

Stricken poverty ? how comes then Zaw Lin Managed to send home USD 2000 in 2 years ?

http://time.com/3955081/thailand-koh-tao-murder-david-miller-hannah-witheridge-zaw-lin-wai-phyo-burma-myanmar/

And have enough left to buy a guitar, beers and smokes ? Maybe its all the phones they keep finding on the beach ?

Another shill who has lost touch with reality. $2,000 sent home in 2 years is a pittance works out about 1,479 THB per month, was it his guitar? Was it his motorbike? Are you saying their not entitled to buy cigarettes and have a few drinks on their night off work once a month?

The RTP are rather good at finding phones on the beach also, only problem being they fail to answer who they belong to.

My point is if the Burmese want to leave the island they can ! the excuse of stricken poverty is a very weak one.

[AleG]

If by going into depth you mean spinning things a certain way...

Meanwhile in the real world:

"Mr Chomphuchat said that the alleged murder weapon, a garden hoe, which had never been properly forensically examined by police, and some clothing found at the scene, had already been retested by government forensic officers but no results had yet been forwarded to the defence lawyers."

This retesting was done by the CIFS, the one headed by Dr. Pornthip Rojasunand, the expert the defense team had already summoned as a witness to bolster their case.

“The court said that lawyers are free to request all the DNA samples for independent DNA testing at any time,”

And:

The defence team in the Koh Tao murder trial has dramatically reversed its demands to retest the DNA found on the body of Norfolk student Hannah Witheridge, and said they “don’t need it any more.”

The samples taken from the men on trial in that publicity stunt at the court have also been sent to the CIFS for testing, so the argument that the defense doesn't thrust the same independent laboratory to retest the DNA retrieved from the body of one of the victims is specious.

Nomsod giving DNA publicly with Dad and top cop in front of cameras is a necessity to clear his name, taking DNA swabs from the accused in court is a "publicity stunt"

Subtle little pops to belittle the defence.

You just proved me right by comparing a PR event with the actions of the defense team during a court in session.

[Rykbanlor]

Yes Tony, I'm sure in their stricken poverty, the underpaid, overabused Burmese can just pack up and move on whenever things are uncomfortable for them, just like all the business owners, who would surely think nothing of abandoning their business and livelihoods at the drop of a hat.

Stricken poverty ? how comes then Zaw Lin Managed to send home USD 2000 in 2 years ?

http://time.com/3955081/thailand-koh-tao-murder-david-miller-hannah-witheridge-zaw-lin-wai-phyo-burma-myanmar/

And have enough left to buy a guitar, beers and smokes ? Maybe its all the phones they keep finding on the beach ?

Another shill who has lost touch with reality. $2,000 sent home in 2 years is a pittance works out about 1,479 THB per month, was it his guitar? Was it his motorbike? Are you saying their not entitled to buy cigarettes and have a few drinks on their night off work once a month?

The RTP are rather good at finding phones on the beach also, only problem being they fail to answer who they belong to.

My point is if the Burmese want to leave the island they can ! the excuse of stricken poverty is a very weak one.

Are you purposely obtuse? These people have left worse circumstances in their own countries, to come here and work for very low wages, probably the best shot they have at providning for their families. They don't have a great choice about their plight and I don't think it would pay for them to up and leave. What about all the farang business owners on the island?

[Darkknight666]

Yes Tony, I'm sure in their stricken poverty, the underpaid, overabused Burmese can just pack up and move on whenever things are uncomfortable for them, just like all the business owners, who would surely think nothing of abandoning their business and livelihoods at the drop of a hat.

Stricken poverty ? how comes then Zaw Lin Managed to send home USD 2000 in 2 years ?

http://time.com/3955081/thailand-koh-tao-murder-david-miller-hannah-witheridge-zaw-lin-wai-phyo-burma-myanmar/

And have enough left to buy a guitar, beers and smokes ? Maybe its all the phones they keep finding on the beach ?

Another shill who has lost touch with reality. $2,000 sent home in 2 years is a pittance works out about 1,479 THB per month, was it his guitar? Was it his motorbike? Are you saying their not entitled to buy cigarettes and have a few drinks on their night off work once a month?

The RTP are rather good at finding phones on the beach also, only problem being they fail to answer who they belong to.

it might be a pittance to you but that is not pittance to an average thai, and my point is all the Burmese there should be able to save money to get them back to Burma. so why have they not all left ?

Because they need the work and they do jobs that are "beneath" Thais..... Why? Does the presence of Burmese in Thailand bother you, Tony? Why might that be....

Could you maybe share with is why you're prejudiced against Burmese folks? You're basically saying it's more likely the B2 commited the crime strictly because they're Burmese. Sounds Thai to me.

Now, why do you think there is so much controversie surrounding this case.... Could it be the "Mafia"

Element, maybe the fact that DoDo (lol) and Mon were the very first suspects until police got wind of what was happening and switched the commander mid investigation while the whole world was watching?

Panya Mamen would NOT accuse them on zero evidence, From that very point on its been quite obvious the case and investigation are a complete cock up.

[newcomer71]

...and also this topic will be locked soon. Is so much hard to leave the trolls and the ones trying to derail the thread alone? Please!

[Rykbanlor]

If by going into depth you mean spinning things a certain way...

Meanwhile in the real world:

"Mr Chomphuchat said that the alleged murder weapon, a garden hoe, which had never been properly forensically examined by police, and some clothing found at the scene, had already been retested by government forensic officers but no results had yet been forwarded to the defence lawyers."

This retesting was done by the CIFS, the one headed by Dr. Pornthip Rojasunand, the expert the defense team had already summoned as a witness to bolster their case.

“The court said that lawyers are free to request all the DNA samples for independent DNA testing at any time,”

And:

The defence team in the Koh Tao murder trial has dramatically reversed its demands to retest the DNA found on the body of Norfolk student Hannah Witheridge, and said they “don’t need it any more.”

The samples taken from the men on trial in that publicity stunt at the court have also been sent to the CIFS for testing, so the argument that the defense doesn't thrust the same independent laboratory to retest the DNA retrieved from the body of one of the victims is specious.

Nomsod giving DNA publicly with Dad and top cop in front of cameras is a necessity to clear his name, taking DNA swabs from the accused in court is a "publicity stunt"

Subtle little pops to belittle the defence.

You just proved me right by comparing a PR event with the actions of the defense team during a court in session.

Right about what?

[Tony121]

Stricken poverty ? how comes then Zaw Lin Managed to send home USD 2000 in 2 years ?

http://time.com/3955081/thailand-koh-tao-murder-david-miller-hannah-witheridge-zaw-lin-wai-phyo-burma-myanmar/

And have enough left to buy a guitar, beers and smokes ? Maybe its all the phones they keep finding on the beach ?

Another shill who has lost touch with reality. $2,000 sent home in 2 years is a pittance works out about 1,479 THB per month, was it his guitar? Was it his motorbike? Are you saying their not entitled to buy cigarettes and have a few drinks on their night off work once a month?

The RTP are rather good at finding phones on the beach also, only problem being they fail to answer who they belong to.

Yes damnit, why haven't they all left. back to the persecution and lower wages in their restive states.

So know your saying they don't want to leave the Island ? you just don't seem to get it you are willing to make out that 4000 Burmese are willing to turn a blind eye for cash, it seems that the only Burmese you trust are The B2 and all the rest are bad ? its not very humans rights is it ?

[Rykbanlor]

...and also this topic will be locked soon. Is so much hard to leave the trolls and the ones trying to derail the thread alone? Please!

APologies, will try self control.

AleG, don't need to answer my post above.

[AleG]

...and also this topic will be locked soon. Is so much hard to leave the trolls and the ones trying to derail the thread alone? Please!

If it gets locked it will be because of people like you that contribute nothing but insults to the discussion.

So look at the beam on thine own eye and all that.

[Rykbanlor]

Stricken poverty ? how comes then Zaw Lin Managed to send home USD 2000 in 2 years ?

http://time.com/3955081/thailand-koh-tao-murder-david-miller-hannah-witheridge-zaw-lin-wai-phyo-burma-myanmar/

And have enough left to buy a guitar, beers and smokes ? Maybe its all the phones they keep finding on the beach ?

Another shill who has lost touch with reality. $2,000 sent home in 2 years is a pittance works out about 1,479 THB per month, was it his guitar? Was it his motorbike? Are you saying their not entitled to buy cigarettes and have a few drinks on their night off work once a month?

The RTP are rather good at finding phones on the beach also, only problem being they fail to answer who they belong to.

Yes damnit, why haven't they all left. back to the persecution and lower wages in their restive states.

So know your saying they don't want to leave the Island ? you just don't seem to get it you are willing to make out that 4000 Burmese are willing to turn a blind eye for cash, it seems that the only Burmese you trust are The B2 and all the rest are bad ? its not very humans rights is it ?

I don't think anyone offered the Burmese cash to be quiet! Good day sir!

[thailandchilli]

...and also this topic will be locked soon. Is so much hard to leave the trolls and the ones trying to derail the thread alone? Please!

Done, I apologize

[Darkknight666]

...and also this topic will be locked soon. Is so much hard to leave the trolls and the ones trying to derail the thread alone? Please!

The thing is these guys will keep going and going with their inaccuracies which means at times you have to engage them. I try to leave the obvious trolls on ignore but Tony, every time he types he looks sillier.

You're right though, best to ignore.

[rwdrwdrwd]

Yes Tony, I'm sure in their stricken poverty, the underpaid, overabused Burmese can just pack up and move on whenever things are uncomfortable for them, just like all the business owners, who would surely think nothing of abandoning their business and livelihoods at the drop of a hat.

Stricken poverty ? how comes then Zaw Lin Managed to send home USD 2000 in 2 years ?

http://time.com/3955081/thailand-koh-tao-murder-david-miller-hannah-witheridge-zaw-lin-wai-phyo-burma-myanmar/

And have enough left to buy a guitar, beers and smokes ? Maybe its all the phones they keep finding on the beach ?

Another shill who has lost touch with reality. $2,000 sent home in 2 years is a pittance works out about 1,479 THB per month, was it his guitar? Was it his motorbike? Are you saying their not entitled to buy cigarettes and have a few drinks on their night off work once a month?

The RTP are rather good at finding phones on the beach also, only problem being they fail to answer who they belong to.

it might be a pittance to you but that is not pittance to an average thai, and my point is all the Burmese there should be able to save money to get them back to Burma. so why have they not all left ?

It's a tank of gas, a meal out with beers for a small group at any mid range restaurant, or a decent bottle of whisky. Hardly pushing the boat out for most Thais I know these days.

[JLCrab]

What I find quite interesting and I'm sure they're NOT connected in any way, shape or form is that the Thai authorities yesterday and a few weeks back have taken action against two prominent members of the defence team, through censure, and dafamation cases.

Pornthip is censured by the Medical council over comments she made, and yesterday Andy Hall indited... coincidence? perhaps, but the cynic in me would have me believe otherwise.

As far as Andy Hall's 2.5 year legal case, it is most likely a coincidence in scheduling of the Bangkok and Samui Courts.

[smedly]

Yes Tony, I'm sure in their stricken poverty, the underpaid, overabused Burmese can just pack up and move on whenever things are uncomfortable for them, just like all the business owners, who would surely think nothing of abandoning their business and livelihoods at the drop of a hat.

Stricken poverty ? how comes then Zaw Lin Managed to send home USD 2000 in 2 years ?

http://time.com/3955081/thailand-koh-tao-murder-david-miller-hannah-witheridge-zaw-lin-wai-phyo-burma-myanmar/

And have enough left to buy a guitar, beers and smokes ? Maybe its all the phones they keep finding on the beach ?

Another shill who has lost touch with reality. $2,000 sent home in 2 years is a pittance works out about 1,479 THB per month, was it his guitar? Was it his motorbike? Are you saying their not entitled to buy cigarettes and have a few drinks on their night off work once a month?

The RTP are rather good at finding phones on the beach also, only problem being they fail to answer who they belong to.

it might be a pittance to you but that is not pittance to an average thai, and my point is all the Burmese there should be able to save money to get them back to Burma. so why have they not all left ?

why don't you head down there and take a survey and report back here in 2 months istead of cluttering up this thread with utter nonesense - hurry back

[grumpyoldman]

What I find quite interesting and I'm sure they're NOT connected in any way, shape or form is that the Thai authorities yesterday and a few weeks back have taken action against two prominent members of the defence team, through censure, and dafamation cases.

Pornthip is censured by the Medical council over comments she made, and yesterday Andy Hall indited... coincidence? perhaps, but the cynic in me would have me believe otherwise.

As far as Andy Hall's 2.5 year legal case, it is most likely a coincidence in scheduling of the Bangkok and Samui Courts.

Seems a real convenient coincidence, no? Also silencing K. Pornthip? I'm going to speculate that the UK forensics has a bombshell up their sleeve, I know, I know, nothing factual there, just a feeling.

Also, as an outsider following this thread, can I ask the bickering crew to tone it down, please? If you don't agree with someone's opinion state something factual without reverting to something worthless like "said from your Pattaya stooge bar stool", it just becomes so monotonous. Thanks and cheers to all (be it in a very dark situation),GOM

[smedly]

If by going into depth you mean spinning things a certain way...

Meanwhile in the real world:

"Mr Chomphuchat said that the alleged murder weapon, a garden hoe, which had never been properly forensically examined by police, and some clothing found at the scene, had already been retested by government forensic officers but no results had yet been forwarded to the defence lawyers."

This retesting was done by the CIFS, the one headed by Dr. Pornthip Rojasunand, the expert the defense team had already summoned as a witness to bolster their case.

“The court said that lawyers are free to request all the DNA samples for independent DNA testing at any time,”

And:

The defence team in the Koh Tao murder trial has dramatically reversed its demands to retest the DNA found on the body of Norfolk student Hannah Witheridge, and said they “don’t need it any more.”

The samples taken from the men on trial in that publicity stunt at the court have also been sent to the CIFS for testing, so the argument that the defense doesn't thrust the same independent laboratory to retest the DNA retrieved from the body of one of the victims is specious.

Nomsod giving DNA publicly with Dad and top cop in front of cameras is a necessity to clear his name, taking DNA swabs from the accused in court is a "publicity stunt"

Subtle little pops to belittle the defence.

You just proved me right by comparing a PR event with the actions of the defense team during a court in session.

The difference being the evidence was taken by professionals following proper protocols and chain of custody

where exactly is this supposed DNA from Nomsod and where are the results - oh wait, the cop that was initially in charge of the investigation was removed before he was able to investigate Mon Nomsod and the bouncers from the AC Bar, how convenient

You are another one flooding this thread with nonesense

[thailandchilli]

What I find quite interesting and I'm sure they're NOT connected in any way, shape or form is that the Thai authorities yesterday and a few weeks back have taken action against two prominent members of the defence team, through censure, and dafamation cases.

Pornthip is censured by the Medical council over comments she made, and yesterday Andy Hall indited... coincidence? perhaps, but the cynic in me would have me believe otherwise.

As far as Andy Hall's 2.5 year legal case, it is most likely a coincidence in scheduling of the Bangkok and Samui Courts.

Yes a strange coincidence

Andy Hall ‏@Atomicalandy Aug 16

Strange timing, 25th Sept last scheduled day of defense witness hearings in Koh Tao murder case at Samui Court so will miss that it seems

[GAZZPA]

"The prosecution case is weak"

Correction, if I may be so bold, the prosecution case is non-existent. To me the single most astounding thing I have read so far (among many astounding things) is the report that the RTP did not test the alleged murder weapon for finger prints or DNA (assuming this is true as I, as others, have seen some video of the hoe being swabbed – inconvenient prints/DNA perhaps?). If only one thing was needed to sum up this travesty it is this. How can there be a murder trial without a weapon? Or a believable motive?

Last year JDA or JTJ (I can’t remember which and apologies for bringing them up) referred several times to the “overwhelming evidence” against the B2. Well after 10 (11?) days of the prosecution presenting their case we have yet to hear of a single piece of evidence of any kind other than claims of a DNA match which to me, coming from the RTP, qualifies as hearsay - and even if correct only goes to rape not murder as has been stated a number of times. I am a little puzzled why the defense asked for new samples if the RTP was to be involved in any way. Do we know for sure the chain of custody of these new samples? I see references to the results being "returned directly to the defense" but what happens to them before this? IMHO there has been way too much emphasis on the DNA unless there is a silver bullet coming from the UK (assuming it will be admissible).

And, for what it’s worth, a couple of weeks ago I met a young lady from Norfolk who works with Hannah’s cousin. She told me the family absolutely does NOT believe what they were told. Sorry shills, I can’t post a link since I wasn’t wearing a wire.

"and even if correct only goes to rape not murder"

So what you are saying is they raped her and then went home to bed, and someone else came along and killed Hannah and David.

Put it like that and it sounds silly BUT you cannot make assumptions in law. It must be proved, with evidence that they did commit the murder. Just because they "may" be able to link them to rape does not mean you can prove that they killed them.

[newcomer71]

...and also this topic will be locked soon. Is so much hard to leave the trolls and the ones trying to derail the thread alone? Please!

P.s.: I did not derail the topic and I did not make any personal attack, I just wish that this topic won't be derailed, once again. And that happened because the continue bickering...

@AleG, no need to cry foul, I did not specify anyone in my post, nevertheless I was referring to you in particular. But it's well evident who's trolling and trying to derail the thread and will make it close, once again.

End of OT. Peace.

[Tony121]

Because they need the work and they do jobs that are "beneath" Thais..... Why? Does the presence of Burmese in Thailand bother you, Tony? Why might that be....

Could you maybe share with is why you're prejudiced against Burmese folks? You're basically saying it's more likely the B2 commited the crime strictly because they're Burmese. Sounds Thai to me.

Now, why do you think there is so much controversie surrounding this case.... Could it be the "Mafia"

Element, maybe the fact that DoDo (lol) and Mon were the very first suspects until police got wind of what was happening and switched the commander mid investigation while the whole world was watching?

Panya Mamen would NOT accuse them on zero evidence, From that very point on its been quite obvious the case and investigation are a complete cock up.

You are sticking up for just 2 Burmese people or 4 if you include the parents, I am sticking up for all the 4000 Burmese on Koh Tao by saying that they would want to leave the island if NS did it.

If everyone wanted the case covered up why send Panya down to find the Truth ? why not just send another corrupt policemen and say go find me some Burmese scapegoats ?

Jobs that are beneath thais ? its obvious you don't think much of Thai People. what do you think all Thai people are doing working high well paid jobs ?

[bamukloy]

Is using a roti seller really the best the Thai courts could do? Was that done to humiliate the defendants? Was it intentional that they used men with no former experience as interpreters? Does the court deem the fairness of the trial to be such a low priority?

Because, like has been said before, the police never expected the B2 to have any defense team to call them on their practices so all they needed to show was that they used a Burmese translator to the trial. They never expected an international backing team for the defense to scrutinize their every step of the investigation and point out that he didn't speak Thai or even Burmese!! This is fundamentally why the case the prosecution has been left with has looked so shambolic during their time in court.

Now imagine how many thousands of cases have gone ahead in Thailand without an all star defense team over the last few decades where the police have acted with complete impunity and made up and won cases against whoever they wanted to.

it would not suprise me if there never was an interpreter.

This roti guy has probably just been pulled in and hired when police needed a face to back up the story.

[JLCrab]

(from hi s twitter account) 19th October 2015: Andy Hall to plead not guilty and face detention in Natural Fruit Case

That may strangely be the day the verdict is read.

The Koh Tao defense scheduled dates are 7 days including 1-2 Sept, 11 Sept and 22-25 Sept. I guess the Bangkok Court should have scheduled their plea date to better accommodate Mr. Hall's busy schedule.