Jingthing Posted September 30, 2015 Share Posted September 30, 2015 What if you own a condo? owners or anyone with property to rent in which aliens reside but if you live in your owned condo? Then you submit the TM30 yourself as the House-Master/Owner. I really don't think so. That's absurd really. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wpcoe Posted September 30, 2015 Share Posted September 30, 2015 (edited) I believe it is Form TM.28 that condo owners need: "FORM FOR ALIENS TO NOTIFY THEIR CHANGE OF ADDRESS OR THEIR STAY IN THE PROVINCE FOR OVER 24 HOURS." Form TM.30 is for tenants/guests: "NOTIFICATION FROM FOR HOUSE-MASTER, OWNER OR THE POSSESSOR OF THE RESIDENCE WHERE ALIEN HAS STAYED" In theory, a condo owner would have submitted a TM.28 upon purchase and occupancy of their condo. Edited September 30, 2015 by wpcoe Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jingthing Posted September 30, 2015 Share Posted September 30, 2015 (edited) In theory. I doubt anyone ever has. If you're an owner, immigration knows about it because they ask. I'm sure it's in their record and if you do the same address report with the same address ... there is obviously no change. Edited September 30, 2015 by Jingthing Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Maestro Posted September 30, 2015 Share Posted September 30, 2015 Look at the definition of House Master in section 4 of the Immigration Act. The House Master is the "chief possessor" of the residence in the capacity of owner or tenant, etc. If you own the place where you live, you are the the chief possessor in the capacity of owner. It you rent the place where you live, you are the chief possessor in the capacity of tenant. It is your legal duty, not the duty of the owner, to submit the form TM.30, notifying that you yourself are an alien staying at that place of which you are the House Master. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jingthing Posted September 30, 2015 Share Posted September 30, 2015 Again, I have never heard of a foreign owner of a condo that lives in that condo being required to file any form like this. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Don Mega Posted September 30, 2015 Share Posted September 30, 2015 Again, I have never heard of a foreign owner of a condo that lives in that condo being required to file any form like this. Wouldn't you simply show a copy of the house book (or whatever the legal document is) that shows you are the owner ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jingthing Posted September 30, 2015 Share Posted September 30, 2015 Again, I have never heard of a foreign owner of a condo that lives in that condo being required to file any form like this. Wouldn't you simply show a copy of the house book (or whatever the legal document is) that shows you are the owner ? I show my phone bill. I'm really asking, are they going to demand more from owners who live in their condos, or not? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fdbob Posted October 1, 2015 Share Posted October 1, 2015 Anyone else out there have any problems with this? I need my non-O renewed soon, I would like to know. If you want a "non-O" renewed that cannot be achieved at Pattaya or any other Immigration office. A new "non-O" can only be obtained outside Thailand from a Thai Embassy or Consulate. Pretty sure he means extension 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Breizh Posted October 1, 2015 Share Posted October 1, 2015 I went yesterday to Jomtien immigration for my annual Non-B extension and was not asked to show the TM30 form or any proof of address at all. My visa is now under consideration until October 30 which is the normal procedure. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Inepto Cracy Posted October 1, 2015 Share Posted October 1, 2015 This is correct and is being applied by Phuket Immigration too. I was there last week to renew my permit to stay based on retirement visa and multiple entry permit. I saw many bouts of loud voices in the faces of officials and many persons turned away.Then you get a piece of paper attached to a page in your passport. Also a clampdown on agents doing this extention, as you now have to personally be there to have your picture taken. That was my experience. To top this the Immigration confirmation of address is not valid for renewal of drivers licenses. Traffic dep now also require proof of residence from immigration....with your photo attached. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eneukman Posted October 1, 2015 Share Posted October 1, 2015 Is the OP suggesting that the person renting has to get a copy of the receipt from the owner to submit to immigration? To clarify (even though I'm not the OP), yes, I'm the renter and I had to get the form filled out by the owner and then bring the form with me in order to submit the paperwork for my extension of stay. You're also required to bring the owner or someone that can verify where you live with you to the immigration office on the day you submit your paperwork. I brought a friend of mine and she had to answer questions regarding my address, phone number, how long she had known me, where we met, etc. For what it's worth, the Jomtien immigration office staff seems to be somewhat notorious for doing things their own way. It doesn't shock me AT ALL that this isn't the normal procedure according to the actual immigration law. "For what it's worth, the Jomtien immigration office staff seems to be somewhat notorious for doing things their own way. It doesn't shock me AT ALL that this isn't the normal procedure according to the actual immigration law." Nonsense.They're probably the most reasonable immigration office around. I've never experience a problem or surprise there in years of dealing with them. My experience as well over the last 10 years. I suspect that in some (many) cases the property owner has not submitted the appropriate forms to Immigration to report that someone is staying in their property. Alan Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
brewsterbudgen Posted October 1, 2015 Share Posted October 1, 2015 What if you own a condo? owners or anyone with property to rent in which aliens reside but if you live in your owned condo?Then you submit the TM30 yourself as the House-Master/Owner. Only if you're renting out your condo to aliens. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gkroo Posted October 1, 2015 Share Posted October 1, 2015 I was also required to have a TM30 for my last extension at Nonthaburi Immigration on the 16 Sept,completed by my wife and showing her house book and with a copy. I had already completed most of the form but they then wanted it in Thai & not english, of which was not a problem. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lostoday Posted October 1, 2015 Share Posted October 1, 2015 The OP wrote, "A good friend of mine went to immigration last week to renew the visas of his family and he was told that he could not renew their visas without a TM30 form receipt." What kind of visas would you renew for your family? New one on me. Then the topic says, "TM 30 Required at Pattaya Immigration for ALL visa extensions." If any one really wanted information they would post the expereinces of a person actually asked for a TM30 at Jomtien and what kind of (I assume extension) was being applied for. So, let me ask. Has anyone applying for a retirement extension alone (not with a wife or agent) been asked for a TM30 at Jomtien? That's Jomtien not Phuket or KAP. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jacko45k Posted October 1, 2015 Share Posted October 1, 2015 (edited) This ties in with something I heard 10 days ago from someone associated with Visas etc. I think I posted a comment somewhere. I thought the guy had got it wrong, as nothing had been mentioned here, but now I need to rethink. So, I fill in my own TM30, take it to immigration, get some form of receipt, and use that for my next extension? (Formerly, a copy of my telephone bill was sufficient). Edited October 1, 2015 by jacko45k Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post connda Posted October 1, 2015 Popular Post Share Posted October 1, 2015 I just did my annual extension based on work at Chiang Mai a little over a week ago and there was no such requirement. Perhaps a reaction to the bombing and attempts to tighten keeping track of foreigners. Typical Thai immigration: complete lack of uniformity from district to district. Nothing new. I'll just remember to have my wife fill out a TM30 on my next renewal and tuck it away with my Yellow House Book. One thing I've learned: you can never be 'over-prepared' when doing your annual extension paperwork. Read TV and then think of the most absurd thing that an I/O could possibly ask for, and make sure you bring copies in triplicate. Lol 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheKnave Posted October 1, 2015 Share Posted October 1, 2015 but if you live in your owned condo? Then i suppose that YOU as the owner/house master need to submit the TM30 Form which will report YOU as the Alien Tenant ?? .. sounds very Thai don't you think .. Condo management submits the form. A few years ago the manager at my condo made a big thing out of getting all the info to send into immigrations, with the dire warning that our extension applications would be refused by immigrations if condo management didn't report . Presumably that hasn't changed and if you haven't moved it wouldn't need to be submitted again ... but then who knows. The O/P and others are talking about renewing or extending visas, which of course is impossible, so I wouldn't put much credence in the report. TM 30 Required at Pattaya Immigration for ALL visa extensions? Anyone else out there have any problems with this? I need my non-O renewed soon, I would like to know. As for "who knows?", obviously the people experiencing this unlawful request do know. And a Tourist Visa can be extended by 30 days, so, as usual, you misstate the facts. Furthermore, using a common mistake in terminology to attempt to invalidate someone's story is the height of disingenuity...but something you are quite good at. Thailand Immigration has slipped further out of control, is populated with renegade, self-appointed potentates, and people should vote with their feet... 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
edwardflory Posted October 1, 2015 Share Posted October 1, 2015 Is the OP suggesting that the person renting has to get a copy of the receipt from the owner to submit to immigration? To clarify (even though I'm not the OP), yes, I'm the renter and I had to get the form filled out by the owner and then bring the form with me in order to submit the paperwork for my extension of stay. You're also required to bring the owner or someone that can verify where you live with you to the immigration office on the day you submit your paperwork. I brought a friend of mine and she had to answer questions regarding my address, phone number, how long she had known me, where we met, etc. For what it's worth, the Jomtien immigration office staff seems to be somewhat notorious for doing things their own way. It doesn't shock me AT ALL that this isn't the normal procedure according to the actual immigration law. "For what it's worth, the Jomtien immigration office staff seems to be somewhat notorious for doing things their own way. It doesn't shock me AT ALL that this isn't the normal procedure according to the actual immigration law." Nonsense.They're probably the most reasonable immigration office around. I've never experience a problem or surprise there in years of dealing with them. I have to admit I have only "dealt" with 2 immigration offices, but, I have found the JOMTIEN people to be very nice, have a sence of humor, and have always been helpful if I had a question to ask. My 2nd to last visit ( since the new bar codes were activated ) took all of 5 minutes, AND, I was informed that in 7 days I could renew my """"retirement visa""" ( <<<===- his words ) aka extension of stay based on retirement. When I do my 90 days, I ALWAYS have ALL the paperwork I have from Immigration I have received, my rental lease - and 18 months of receipts ( needed 1 time, my 13th month ). I think the key to being treated well is BE COURTIOUS, I usually end up with the same officer who seems to remember me. I always wai, greet in Thai, then switch to English, once done, say thank you in Thai, wai and leave. One time, another person sitting next to my "regular officer", was processing my 90 day, my "regular officer" greeted me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jessi Posted October 1, 2015 Share Posted October 1, 2015 (edited) I just did my annual extension based on work at Chiang Mai a little over a week ago and there was no such requirement. Perhaps a reaction to the bombing and attempts to tighten keeping track of foreigners. Typical Thai immigration: complete lack of uniformity from district to district. Nothing new. I'll just remember to have my wife fill out a TM30 on my next renewal and tuck it away with my Yellow House Book. One thing I've learned: you can never be 'over-prepared' when doing your annual extension paperwork. Read TV and then think of the most absurd thing that an I/O could possibly ask for, and make sure you bring copies in triplicate. Lol + 1 What connda said. Edited October 1, 2015 by Jessi 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jessi Posted October 1, 2015 Share Posted October 1, 2015 Thailand Immigration has slipped further out of control, is populated with renegade, self-appointed potentates, and people should vote with their feet... I think a lot of falangs would vote with their feet but they are trapped here by owning real estate and having family's. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
connda Posted October 1, 2015 Share Posted October 1, 2015 Is the OP suggesting that the person renting has to get a copy of the receipt from the owner to submit to immigration? To clarify (even though I'm not the OP), yes, I'm the renter and I had to get the form filled out by the owner and then bring the form with me in order to submit the paperwork for my extension of stay. You're also required to bring the owner or someone that can verify where you live with you to the immigration office on the day you submit your paperwork. I brought a friend of mine and she had to answer questions regarding my address, phone number, how long she had known me, where we met, etc. For what it's worth, the Jomtien immigration office staff seems to be somewhat notorious for doing things their own way. It doesn't shock me AT ALL that this isn't the normal procedure according to the actual immigration law. "For what it's worth, the Jomtien immigration office staff seems to be somewhat notorious for doing things their own way. It doesn't shock me AT ALL that this isn't the normal procedure according to the actual immigration law." Nonsense.They're probably the most reasonable immigration office around. I've never experience a problem or surprise there in years of dealing with them. I have to admit I have only "dealt" with 2 immigration offices, but, I have found the JOMTIEN people to be very nice, have a sence of humor, and have always been helpful if I had a question to ask. My 2nd to last visit ( since the new bar codes were activated ) took all of 5 minutes, AND, I was informed that in 7 days I could renew my """"retirement visa""" ( <<<===- his words ) aka extension of stay based on retirement. When I do my 90 days, I ALWAYS have ALL the paperwork I have from Immigration I have received, my rental lease - and 18 months of receipts ( needed 1 time, my 13th month ). I think the key to being treated well is BE COURTIOUS, I usually end up with the same officer who seems to remember me. I always wai, greet in Thai, then switch to English, once done, say thank you in Thai, wai and leave. One time, another person sitting next to my "regular officer", was processing my 90 day, my "regular officer" greeted me. Courteous: I've learned that 'courteous' means, I smile once at the I/O while sitting down, then shut up and let my wife do all the talking. On the average yearly extension, the I/Os generally never say a word to me, and for all intents and purposes, I'm invisible. Works for them; works for me! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mxer90 Posted October 1, 2015 Share Posted October 1, 2015 I extended the second entry of my tourist visa last week at Jomtien. Done this a few times now. I had to get a TM 30 completed to extend. I had to go upstairs into a crime suppression unit and have someone meticulously check the forms. I was ok but they have desks for interviewing people. I was a little surprised for just extending a TR visa by 30 days but that's the case now in Jomtien. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
norfolkandchance Posted October 1, 2015 Share Posted October 1, 2015 Arrived 16 sept received a visa exempt 30 day at the airport. I'd heard that there where fines being dished out for not processing the TM 30 within 24 hours. G/F and I filled the form ant handed it into the local police station (Phimai) the next day. Guy on duty had never seen the form and no one had reported in the past. He looked over the form but would not sign the receipt part because there was not a police signature block at the bottom. Instead he wrote all the details from the form on to a Police Report, signed it and got his boss to sign it. Gave us back the TM 30 and a copy of the police report and sent us on our way. The next week went to Korat immigration to get a 30 day extension. After a 2 hour wait, got passport signed up. As the IO handed it to me he asked if i had reported to Immigration on my arrival within 24 hours. I thought here comes the fine. I explained everything as above. He then escorted us to the Immigration Police section. Police where very friendly and the man in charge explained that Phimai was within the Korat province and that i had to report to immigration within 24 hours. G/F and him chatted for 30 mins until a secretary arrived. She entered all the details from the TM 30 onto the Immigration website. She said that after the first visit in person i could now report on line for further visits. She gave me a User name and password All very helpful and friendly and no fine. We'll see if it all works out in Feb when i return Hope this was of some help Regards Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
recom273 Posted October 1, 2015 Share Posted October 1, 2015 I think what hasn't been mentioned here is .. The person who should submit the form is the"Housemaster", doesn't have to be the owner, it's the person who is responsible for the house, In my case, my wife, the person who rents our house. If they were turning you away, your lucky, I got fined 1800b after requesting a confirmation of residence, because I failed to submit the TM30 - a few months back. Again, another waste of paper, I took a copy of the tabian baan where she is registered ( our landlords own house ) and her ID card .. Ironic thing is, we don't live there. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nuddy Posted October 1, 2015 Share Posted October 1, 2015 Where can we download the TM 30 from. Can some give me the correct link for TM 30 download. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
roobaa01 Posted October 1, 2015 Share Posted October 1, 2015 there are no ifs, buts or whens, jomtiem requests for all extensions of stay tm 30, copy landlord's id, housebook. wbr roobaa01 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
khwaibah Posted October 1, 2015 Share Posted October 1, 2015 Where can we download the TM 30 from. Can some give me the correct link for TM 30 download. http://www.thaivisa.com/forum/files/file/16-tm30-notification-form-for-house-master-owner-or-the-possessor-of-the-residence-where-aliens-have-stay/ 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NoshowJones Posted October 1, 2015 Share Posted October 1, 2015 Doesn't surprise me at all, just the usual love of authority of Immigration Officials, and making up their own rules for the sake of it. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post NoshowJones Posted October 1, 2015 Popular Post Share Posted October 1, 2015 Is the OP suggesting that the person renting has to get a copy of the receipt from the owner to submit to immigration? To clarify (even though I'm not the OP), yes, I'm the renter and I had to get the form filled out by the owner and then bring the form with me in order to submit the paperwork for my extension of stay. You're also required to bring the owner or someone that can verify where you live with you to the immigration office on the day you submit your paperwork. I brought a friend of mine and she had to answer questions regarding my address, phone number, how long she had known me, where we met, etc. For what it's worth, the Jomtien immigration office staff seems to be somewhat notorious for doing things their own way. It doesn't shock me AT ALL that this isn't the normal procedure according to the actual immigration law. Immigration law means nothing to officials, they make their own. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oncearugge Posted October 1, 2015 Share Posted October 1, 2015 Doesn't surprise me at all, just the usual love of authority of Immigration Officials, and making up their own rules for the sake of it. Which "rules" do you believe are "being made up ? Can you provide a list of examples together with evidence of the examples "being made up" ? Thanks Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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