Briton arrested in Chiang Mai with child pornography

[Inyourendo]

^Full of it then!

Full of what exactly.....and what is your beef ?.....strange

[WinnieTheKhwai]

I heard BKK and CM were #1 and #2 for human trafficking in all of Asia.........and then we have child predators and pedophiles with these pimps...

I really wonder why I like Thailand anymore.....

So, where did you hear that?

(Asia is a very big place.. And Chiang Mai would be bigger than anywhere in India, the Middle East, etc... )

[WinnieTheKhwai]

For all those people here saying that he might be innocent, there is a Songkran video in Youtube from him. It is a video of him chasing little girls and getting full touchy mostly with little girls wearing no T-Shirts.

I was getting really sick but nobody seemed to care! Not even the adults! F*** him.

OMG that is so bad. Anyone defending this predator needs looking at very closely !

Indeed they do. Some of the comments on here display tendencies that no normal person would condone.

I watched the youtube video in disbelief & shock,that is not the behaviour of a normal man in the company of children.He must have viewed the video knowing it looked dodgy before posting it but thought he was untouchable being a monk & scholar.

To those defending him watch the video & give your opinion on what you see happening ,cos that is nothing dreamy ,more like an <deleted> nightmare.

Not sure I had the right Youtube video or not, by IloveEveryone, but while distasteful, very worthy of challenging the creep for his bahavior and possibly enough to warrant legal investigation, just what's on the video is nowhere near child abuse and not enough for any kind of conviction for anything, in a legal sense.

We only have first-round news reports which tend to be more wrong than right. Then again it's not like US and UK authorities would go through all this trouble just for this (right?), so they will have something a lot worse, likely. Let's see what happens.

Don't get me wrong, I want all pedophiles behind bars. But if it turns out that people get in trouble for uploading a Youtube video of some hilltribe kids in the village in broad daylight then I would really like to know.

So in summary, are we looking at 'an investigation' based on suspicion from these videos, or is there proof of child sexual abuse?

And no, I would not want my kids anywhere near this creep. But I also have a ton of pictures and a couple videos from hilltribe villages, which inevitably feature kids, doing kids stuff.

Edited January 11, 2016 by WinnieTheKhwai

[Gutenberg]

Not sure I had the right Youtube video or not, by IloveEveryone, but while distasteful, very worthy of challenging the creep for his bahavior and possibly enough to warrant legal investigation, just what's on the video is nowhere near child abuse and not enough for any kind of conviction for anything, in a legal sense.

We only have first-round news reports which tend to be more wrong than right. Then again it's not like US and UK authorities would go through all this trouble just for this (right?), so they will have something a lot worse, likely. Let's see what happens.

Don't get me wrong, I want all pedophiles behind bars. But if it turns out that people get in trouble for uploading a Youtube video of some hilltribe kids in the village in broad daylight then I would really like to know.

So in summary, are we looking at 'an investigation' based on suspicion from these videos, or is there proof of child sexual abuse?

And no, I would not want my kids anywhere near this creep. But I also have a ton of pictures and a couple videos from hilltribe villages, which inevitably feature kids, doing kids stuff.

Yes, you got the right Youtube channel - there, look for the Songkran at the blocks video. This is a video of an 60+ year old man chasing little naked girls, kissing them and fondling their naed breasts and thighs - you cannot deny that, the video is clear evidence. In a legal sense, this means everything and even more if it belongs to a man who has pictures of little nude children in sexual positions on his phone/pc.

Besides, he was not arrested because of those Youtube videos, he uploaded content what seems to be child abuse in the eyes of an US agent and he got more explicit content on his phone/pc.

[mad mary]

I never said the video was anything to do with his arrest . It does show a man touching & kissing kids inappropriately & he doesnt seem concerned that it could raise suspicion. Go to 14;05 in the video were the little girl is in the hammock & he starts tickling her ,look where his hand gos & how he pulls at her shorts .The man is sick. .

[balo]

Hope we can get a follow up on the sentence , if he try to pay his way out of it I would nt be surprised

[roo860]

Just watched the video, I have nieces in Thailand, wouldn't have dreamt of acting like that with them when they were young!

He handles the kids a little bit too much for me.

[ableguy]

I once saw a female trying to sell her daughter who was about three or four to a farang on Soi 23 off Sukhumvit, he was saying what can she do ? I almost threw up, not speaking a word of Thai nothing I could do. Should add this was several years ago (about twelve ) but I will never forget . Sick people out there.

[Cockwomble]

Very dodgy individual, been a lot of rumour regardi g him for many years

[taotoo]

I once saw a female trying to sell her daughter who was about three or four to a farang on Soi 23 off Sukhumvit, he was saying what can she do ? I almost threw up, not speaking a word of Thai nothing I could do. Should add this was several years ago (about twelve ) but I will never forget . Sick people out there.

So you contacted the tourist police, no?

[balo]

Very dodgy individual, been a lot of rumour regardi g him for many years

If you know something maybe you should contact the police in CM.

[Inyourendo]

Seems to be quite amazing the number of people that know something, or see something....and do nothing

[nongai]

I feel sorry for all you people who know so much about nothing. Every story has more than one side to it.... but you all just blindly swallow the lies and gossip and exagerations put out by the press and media. Not one person here has seen the 'supposed' pornographic images found on my father's computer, because there are none. All like to be judge, jury and executioner without any evidence. I feel sorry for you as by spreading lies and gossip...... unsubstantiated gossip, which is what the media proffession is all about, you are creating much bad karma for yourselves which will certainly come back to bite you in the future.

I am now 18 and know my father better than any of you and I know he is a very good man who would never do anything to harm a child or any other person.

Those who point at that video on Youtube which shows him visiting local kids during songkran also know nothing. If I show you that video, and tell you beforehand that it is about a bad man doing things to kids, that is what you are prepared to see, so you will be watching it with a bias attitude and looking for things to prove that is true... just like those here who told others to go look at it. If however, somebody showed you the video and said beforehand that it is a really cute video showing a guy who loves these kids and they know him for several years and love him too, your expectations will be different, and if I am there and able to explain what exactly is happening in the video and answer any questions you might have about it.... another story completely.

I go with my father often when he goes to visit hill-tribe villages and places like the one in the video which is housing for migrant workers living on orange farms who have come from Burma. They all know him for several years and know he is only doing good. he always has sweets for the kids and often brings clothing, toys, and other things and also likes to take photos. Some of the tribes like the Lahu people used to be afraid to have their photos taken and so he did not take any of the adults unless they agreed. Some villages get many tourists and visitors who take many photos but then just go home. My father started to print the photos at home on his printer and take them to give out free to the kids and families, so they became more friendly and started to ask him to take their photos. The migrants from Burma also like to get photos to send home to their familes and relatives still back at home in Burma. My father never charges for the photos or anything else.

Some people in the press with filthy minds like to say that he just enticed the kids with sweets and presents so that he could lull them into a false sense of security and then abuse them... absolute lies.

The media are very pitiful because their proffession is all about lies and gossip and exageration to make an exciting story. The truth and fairness are never important. They are guilty of great bad karma and are to be pitied.

Kids all over the world like to be loved. They see it is a world controlled by adults, so when adults take an interest in them and like them they are happy. Of course it is mostly parents and relatives but social behaviour in asia is not the same as in western countries. Asians do not show much affection outside their own homes unlike Westerners who like to hug and kiss and show affection at any time. Kids all over like to be hugged and lifted up and played with by adults who they know and trust, and they like to sit upon the laps of adults and get a hug too. This is only nature and nothing to do with sex. Many people pick up babies and blow a rassbery on their bare tummy and the kids like it too.

The place where the video was made, my father called 'the Blocks'. This is because there are ten housing concrete blocks which each house about 20 families in tiny rooms. They are very poor accomodation by any standards but liveable, and in towns or cities they would be classed as slums. The kids stay at home mostly whilst the parents are at work on the farms and there are young babies which are looked after by the older kids and some elders also who do not work. In many tribal and poor situations like this the smaller kids often run about naked or with only pants and no tops on. In the warm climate it is more comfortable and also less laundry. In many tribal societies and cultures like China it is common for kids up to the age of 5 to go without any pants and just wear a top so that they can go to the toilet easily without needing many changes of clothes since nobody wastes money on things like Pampers. My father knows these kids for a few years and they are always shouting him to take their photos and asking for lollipops. At songkran festival they ask him to come and visit so that they can have some fun, and show respect, by getting him wet. I can look at that video, knowing my father and his relationship with those kids, and see only the fun and joy they are ll having. It is a game all over the world where kids enjoy to be chased and they can run away, and when you stop they come back for more. I think people who see only bad things in the video have come prepared to see only bad, and do not understand the situation.

The first person to make a bad comment on the video did not bother to ask for any explanation about it, but just ASSUMED he knew everthing going on, based upon his own prejudices.

Do you know where the word prejudice comes from? the Latin pre judice, meaning to pre judge... to judge without knowing the facts or the full story or both sides of the story.

All of this attack on my father has come from a person, I don't know if Thai or Western, living here or in the West, who saw a photo showing my father playing in a small river, with some kids and some of them were naked. He reported them as child porn, which is absolute rubbish. Pornography is about sex, so child porn is photos showing an adult engaged in sexual activity with a minor, or touching their sexual organs. Not one of my fathers photos are like that.

The person who reported them to some oragnisation in America to do with protection of children from tafficking, maybe even forgot about it all afterwrds. The organisation were wrong to then make a case, without actually looking to see if the photos really showed any porn or not. Then once it came to Thailand and into the hands of the Thai police and DSI, they just assumed that something coming from the great and almightly USA must be right, so they never bothered to look either. Thailand is not America and the culture and customs here are different and deserve to be too. Why everyone allows the USA to try and force the world to be like them, their culture, their customs, their laws, and their hangups... crazy. So as usual the Thai uthorities get down and grovel to the great USA and ask them to pull their pants down so that they can lick their asses.

This whole thing has been a charade. The press spread lies, the adults without any wisdom believe it and gossip and spread more lies, the kids are told that the man they loved is a bad man and to run away from him. All those involved in spreading rumours and lies and gossip are guilty of causing harm to those kids... not my father.

My father has lost money, time, friends, reputation, and much else because of this evil situation. But he is a good Buddhist and he knows that he must have some enemy who he created bad karma with in some past lifetime, or this situation would not occur. He forgives all people involved who think, speak and act wrongly about him, and does not want to create any more karma with them. His forgiveness does not wipe away their karma though so they will still suffer in the future, so he feels sad for them. He feels most sorry for the kids who are very confused and have had their innocence corrupted.

There are some officials who are involved in this case who are only concerned about their won loss of face if my father is acquitted. For them the whole situation is nothing but winning and losing and since it came from the West are doing their utmost to add charges and get kids to tell lies about him. They are to be greatly pitied.

There seem to be more bad people than good nowadays. They are too lazy to pull themselves up and improve themselves so they just attack the good ones and try to drag them down to their own level in the gutter. They will cetainly spend a very long time in the hell realms for their evil actions and words.

[nongai]

Although the Thai olice said that he had been taking nude photos, simple nude photos are not porn!

Kids swimming and bathing and playing in water are often nude or lightly clothed here and in similar places like Burma, Vietnam, Laos, etc.

Anyone looking at travellers photos taken in Thai and similar countries will notice that almost everyone who comes upon a situation where kids are playing in a river or lake or mud puddle naked, or bathing outdoors, they will automatically take photos. This doesn't mean that they are all paedophiles, but are confronted with a situation which is a part of the local culture and rarely seen back home. They see it as cute and natural and similar to nudist or naturists at home.

My father did not encourage the kids to take off clothing, so some wore it and some did not. He never told them to adopt provacative poses so the photos could not even be decribed as 'erotic' let alone porn.They do not have swimming pools or bathing suits in the countryside so just go skinny-dipping, as is natural.

They also claimed that he had been upoloading to websites ofr making money from porn... absolute fiction.

The only place my father used was Flickr.

Flickr is a place to both store and share your photos. When yo upload a photo you have to give it a safety rating... Public, Moderate or Restricted, for general viewing or over 15's or adults only. Also you can say who has permission to view it.... 1. public.... 2. Flickr members only.... 3. Friends only.... 4. Family only.... 5. Private. Know how silly some people are about nudity he kept all these kid of photos as Private, so we are not sure how the original person saw what he complained about... maybe a hacker.

He never put them on Facebook ... just more lies.

Edited April 21, 2016 by nongai

[nongai]

Actually Flickr has a lot of real adult porn on it, but if they are marked as Restircted and Private they have no problem with it. Naturally this does not apply to child porn which is immediately dealt with.

So my father had a Pro account since 2008 with over 55,000 images. On two occasions the Flickr team made his whole account Private, because there were some photos which had not been given the correct rating as Public/Moderate/Private. Natuarally with the amount of uploads and photography of all kinds sometimes one or two slip through, and the Flickr engine is not without its faults or hiccups. However, once he had correctly assigned them and asked for a review all was back to narmal.

This shows that the Flickr team had seen his photos and not deemed any of them to be child porn. So the original complainer and subsequent police viewing who called them pornographic was just BS and they were just going off the top of their heads.

Flickr expects its members to be self moderating, but certainly keep an eye on things.

Edited April 21, 2016 by nongai

[Chicog]

he always has sweets for the kids and often brings clothing, toys, and other things and also likes to take photos.

Of course he does.

The arrest was made after the DSI was alerted by the US Homeland Security Investigations and the US National Center for Missing and Exploited Children

I'm just wondering if it occurred to you to ask how Homeland Security and NCMEC discovered that he had these pictures on his computer.

Any chance he might have been sharing them in the wrong place?

[Chicog]

I am going to play devils advocate here. Surely this scenario could be possible for anyone sharing a network. So basically any person that is using your internet connection could be the culprit.

He had images on his mobile Sally. Not a chance anyone was sharing that network.

Sorry to jump on this so late, but you're being very naive.

[Oscar2]

rubbish. he's a filthy pedophile. hope he gets a long sentence in a hot Thai prison. they don't bring in U.S. undercover federal police for small potatoes.

[smokie36]

I feel sorry for all you people who know so much about nothing. Every story has more than one side to it.... but you all just blindly swallow the lies and gossip and exagerations put out by the press and media. Not one person here has seen the 'supposed' pornographic images found on my father's computer, because there are none. All like to be judge, jury and executioner without any evidence. I feel sorry for you as by spreading lies and gossip...... unsubstantiated gossip, which is what the media proffession is all about, you are creating much bad karma for yourselves which will certainly come back to bite you in the future.

I am now 18 and know my father better than any of you and I know he is a very good man who would never do anything to harm a child or any other person.

Those who point at that video on Youtube which shows him visiting local kids during songkran also know nothing. If I show you that video, and tell you beforehand that it is about a bad man doing things to kids, that is what you are prepared to see, so you will be watching it with a bias attitude and looking for things to prove that is true... just like those here who told others to go look at it. If however, somebody showed you the video and said beforehand that it is a really cute video showing a guy who loves these kids and they know him for several years and love him too, your expectations will be different, and if I am there and able to explain what exactly is happening in the video and answer any questions you might have about it.... another story completely.

I go with my father often when he goes to visit hill-tribe villages and places like the one in the video which is housing for migrant workers living on orange farms who have come from Burma. They all know him for several years and know he is only doing good. he always has sweets for the kids and often brings clothing, toys, and other things and also likes to take photos. Some of the tribes like the Lahu people used to be afraid to have their photos taken and so he did not take any of the adults unless they agreed. Some villages get many tourists and visitors who take many photos but then just go home. My father started to print the photos at home on his printer and take them to give out free to the kids and families, so they became more friendly and started to ask him to take their photos. The migrants from Burma also like to get photos to send home to their familes and relatives still back at home in Burma. My father never charges for the photos or anything else.

Some people in the press with filthy minds like to say that he just enticed the kids with sweets and presents so that he could lull them into a false sense of security and then abuse them... absolute lies.

The media are very pitiful because their proffession is all about lies and gossip and exageration to make an exciting story. The truth and fairness are never important. They are guilty of great bad karma and are to be pitied.

Kids all over the world like to be loved. They see it is a world controlled by adults, so when adults take an interest in them and like them they are happy. Of course it is mostly parents and relatives but social behaviour in asia is not the same as in western countries. Asians do not show much affection outside their own homes unlike Westerners who like to hug and kiss and show affection at any time. Kids all over like to be hugged and lifted up and played with by adults who they know and trust, and they like to sit upon the laps of adults and get a hug too. This is only nature and nothing to do with sex. Many people pick up babies and blow a rassbery on their bare tummy and the kids like it too.

The place where the video was made, my father called 'the Blocks'. This is because there are ten housing concrete blocks which each house about 20 families in tiny rooms. They are very poor accomodation by any standards but liveable, and in towns or cities they would be classed as slums. The kids stay at home mostly whilst the parents are at work on the farms and there are young babies which are looked after by the older kids and some elders also who do not work. In many tribal and poor situations like this the smaller kids often run about naked or with only pants and no tops on. In the warm climate it is more comfortable and also less laundry. In many tribal societies and cultures like China it is common for kids up to the age of 5 to go without any pants and just wear a top so that they can go to the toilet easily without needing many changes of clothes since nobody wastes money on things like Pampers. My father knows these kids for a few years and they are always shouting him to take their photos and asking for lollipops. At songkran festival they ask him to come and visit so that they can have some fun, and show respect, by getting him wet. I can look at that video, knowing my father and his relationship with those kids, and see only the fun and joy they are ll having. It is a game all over the world where kids enjoy to be chased and they can run away, and when you stop they come back for more. I think people who see only bad things in the video have come prepared to see only bad, and do not understand the situation.

The first person to make a bad comment on the video did not bother to ask for any explanation about it, but just ASSUMED he knew everthing going on, based upon his own prejudices.

Do you know where the word prejudice comes from? the Latin pre judice, meaning to pre judge... to judge without knowing the facts or the full story or both sides of the story.

All of this attack on my father has come from a person, I don't know if Thai or Western, living here or in the West, who saw a photo showing my father playing in a small river, with some kids and some of them were naked. He reported them as child porn, which is absolute rubbish. Pornography is about sex, so child porn is photos showing an adult engaged in sexual activity with a minor, or touching their sexual organs. Not one of my fathers photos are like that.

The person who reported them to some oragnisation in America to do with protection of children from tafficking, maybe even forgot about it all afterwrds. The organisation were wrong to then make a case, without actually looking to see if the photos really showed any porn or not. Then once it came to Thailand and into the hands of the Thai police and DSI, they just assumed that something coming from the great and almightly USA must be right, so they never bothered to look either. Thailand is not America and the culture and customs here are different and deserve to be too. Why everyone allows the USA to try and force the world to be like them, their culture, their customs, their laws, and their hangups... crazy. So as usual the Thai uthorities get down and grovel to the great USA and ask them to pull their pants down so that they can lick their asses.

This whole thing has been a charade. The press spread lies, the adults without any wisdom believe it and gossip and spread more lies, the kids are told that the man they loved is a bad man and to run away from him. All those involved in spreading rumours and lies and gossip are guilty of causing harm to those kids... not my father.

My father has lost money, time, friends, reputation, and much else because of this evil situation. But he is a good Buddhist and he knows that he must have some enemy who he created bad karma with in some past lifetime, or this situation would not occur. He forgives all people involved who think, speak and act wrongly about him, and does not want to create any more karma with them. His forgiveness does not wipe away their karma though so they will still suffer in the future, so he feels sad for them. He feels most sorry for the kids who are very confused and have had their innocence corrupted.

There are some officials who are involved in this case who are only concerned about their won loss of face if my father is acquitted. For them the whole situation is nothing but winning and losing and since it came from the West are doing their utmost to add charges and get kids to tell lies about him. They are to be greatly pitied.

There seem to be more bad people than good nowadays. They are too lazy to pull themselves up and improve themselves so they just attack the good ones and try to drag them down to their own level in the gutter. They will cetainly spend a very long time in the hell realms for their evil actions and words.

1. Where you say "the organization were wrong to make a case."

Well it's their job to investigate such issues so clearly they have acted appropriately in this matter.

2.Where you state "It's normal to pull out a camera and take snaps of naked children swimming."

No it's not...I would NEVER take a picture of any child without the expressed permission of their parent, clothed or not.

Whether your father is guilty or not I will leave for the court to decide and when you talk of prejudicial views I can well understand your own.

We all will have to wait and see....but to me the wellbeing of children in Thailand comes before your father's desire to take pictures of them or any other desire he may or may not have.

Some of his videos look creepy imho...the kids don't look as though they are enjoying the attention.

[shunter]

The creature is a threat to any children he comes or came into contact with as the images and video clips plainly show.No more than a calculated series of grooming acts so as to draw the children to him and possibly a circle of like minded creatures too.

T​he actions came from a high level concerning his arrest, there is far more to this creature and his activities that has yet to be revealed.I somehow doubt that the claim to be related to the creature is overly truthful, why wasn't the poster far more proactive from the start of this thread?

When one read the topics started and the posts made by ''nongai'' grounds for doubt do arise.Such posts as made by an 18 year old girl are extremely interesting in their content and their locations mentioned too.

It seems to me that there are people who are very worried they may well find themselves ''outed '' soon, hence this campaign proclaiming innocence.I think we will find that this campaign is going to be about as successful as ''knitting fog.''

Edited April 21, 2016 by Rimmer
Fonts corrected

[Chicog]

I would think others who have shared such photographs on certain "networks" may be sweating the possibility of having their collar felt.

[shunter]

nongai post # 176.

Wild accusations against someone you know nothing about is all you are good for.

Mirror mirror on the wall I see it all , pot, kettle, black.

[balo]

Is nongai really his 18 year old Thai daughter ? Shouldn't be so hard to find out , difficult to believe his daughter wrote this. Show us your FB page and post the same text there instead of an anonymous forum .

Edited April 21, 2016 by balo

[Berkshire]

Is nongai really his 18 year old Thai daughter ? Shouldn't be so hard to find out , difficult to believe his daughter wrote this. Show us your FB page and post the same text there instead of an anonymous forum .

Actually, I wonder as well, judging from his/her past posting history. Hmmmmm

[balo]

Is nongai really his 18 year old Thai daughter ? Shouldn't be so hard to find out , difficult to believe his daughter wrote this. Show us your FB page and post the same text there instead of an anonymous forum .

Actually, I wonder as well, judging from his/her past posting history. Hmmmmm

Yes, I already have looked through some posts from 2015, no way they are written by an 18 year old. Probably written by an old expat who's been living in CM for many years.

[Cockwomble]

I wonder if this has been written by one of the regular pedo supporters that frequent this forum?

[nongai]

Yes I am sorry, I must not get angry or i am bad too.

[balo]

Yes I am sorry, I must not get angry or i am bad too.

And what do you mean by that ?

[Oscar2]

no way these were written by an 18 y/o girl. not a chance.

[metisdead]

A post containing 9/11 conspiracy nonsense has been removed as well as the replies.