Why would anyone want to visit the Philippines?

[Tony125]

Philippines deploys 5,000 troops to fight terror group Abu Sayyaf

http://www.upi.com/Top_News/World-News/2016/06/17/Philippines-deploys-5000-troops-to-fight-terror-group-Abu-Sayyaf/4461466170129/

Some 5,000 Philippine soldiers have been deployed to the southern province of Sulu to track down the Islamist militant group Abu Sayyaf. Pictured, Philippine Marines with 28th Company 8th Marine Battalion Landing Team push forward after splashing ashore in an amphibious assault vehicle during an amphibious assault training exercise. Photo by Lance Cpl. Michael Bianco/U.S. Marines

ZAMBOANGA CITY, Philippines, June 17 (UPI) -- Some 5,000 Philippine soldiers have been deployed to the southern province of Sulu to track down the Islamist militant group Abu Sayyaf that beheaded two Canadian hostages and is threatening two others.

At least 10 military battalions from the Philippine marines, army, air force and navy are converging on Sulu from land, sea and air, Maj. Filemon Tan Jr., spokesman for the Western Mindanao Command, said. Tan said the operation is not considered "wide scale" but will focus on areas known to back, the Islamic State-linked Abu Sayyaf.

"We focus on areas known to be supportive of the Abu Sayyaf group. We will go to the communities known to provide refuge to bandits," he said. "There are selected target areas. These bandits have relatives and they hide in the populace."

*** To add to the reason why its dangerous there if you visit Manila you will see armed guards at McDonald's , Burger King and Malls with shotguns or automatic weapons. ***

[CHRISTIANa9]

You people must visit a different Philippines to me as I lived in Cebu and never had any problems or felt unsafe anywhere in Cebu.My buddy was a DJ and we used to fly up to Manila to party all weekend in Manila and we had a fantastic time,nothing but fun met great people local and foreigners and never felt unsafe in Manila for even a second either!.

I honestly don't understand what you people must do to attract such attention from bad people or to feel unsafe it just does not compute with me at all?I've travelled all over the Phils to many islands like Bohol,Bantayan,Malapascua,Camotes,Cabilao,I've done Clark and Angeles City in Pampanga also and had an absolutely fantastic time and anyone that doesn't really does have something wrong with them.

In fact I don't believe these people have even been there,it's just scaremongering nonsense!

Do u travel alone or with a bunch of local? Do u have private transport waiting for u? Do u stay within makati? It's makati not makati city. Have u Try walking alone at night from ayala ave to burgos st. ? Have u try walking around chinatown or 168 etc. Try it. Try walking from. La cafe (old) name up and down the street. Try walking from la cafe to makati. It's a long walk. Yry b4 u defend the unknown

[MyFrenU]

Do u travel alone or with a bunch of local? Do u have private transport waiting for u? Do u stay within makati? It's makati not makati city. Have u Try walking alone at night from ayala ave to burgos st. ? Have u try walking around chinatown or 168 etc. Try it. Try walking from. La cafe (old) name up and down the street. Try walking from la cafe to makati. It's a long walk. Yry b4 u defend the unknown

Where did I say Makati City,please tell me?

And yes I've walked all over Manila at night,Makati,Malate,Burgos Street we use to walk there from Makati Avenue where my buddy used to DJ at Time nightclub and Chihuahua (he's Latino so did Salsa nights there!)
To the Bronx Bar one of the few still open on Burgos Street at around 5-6:00am and guess what...we had a wonderful time,no problems,no attacks,nothing!

[Tony125]

Do u travel alone or with a bunch of local? Do u have private transport waiting for u? Do u stay within makati? It's makati not makati city. Have u Try walking alone at night from ayala ave to burgos st. ? Have u try walking around chinatown or 168 etc. Try it. Try walking from. La cafe (old) name up and down the street. Try walking from la cafe to makati. It's a long walk. Yry b4 u defend the unknown

Where did I say Makati City,please tell me?

And yes I've walked all over Manila at night,Makati,Malate,Burgos Street we use to walk there from Makati Avenue where my buddy used to DJ at Time nightclub and Chihuahua (he's Latino so did Salsa nights there!)

To the Bronx Bar one of the few still open on Burgos Street at around 5-6:00am and guess what...we had a wonderful time,no problems,no attacks,nothing!

Because you are native Phillippino YOU will have no problems going around areas or taking foreign friends around but foreigners may have problems. Thailand has 65 million people---Phill has 100 million. Beaches are even nicer in Phill but Thailand gets almost 30 million tourists a year---the Phillippeans less than 5 million. Why ? People don't want to visit poor dirty looking country where they may be kidnapped and they see armed guards at McDonald's ,banks , malls and many other places. Do you see that in Thailand, Vietnam or Laos? And you know that the country sends their Dr's nurses, school teachers ect overseas to make money to send home because of the poor conditions in Phill.

[2fishin2]

Do u travel alone or with a bunch of local? Do u have private transport waiting for u? Do u stay within makati? It's makati not makati city. Have u Try walking alone at night from ayala ave to burgos st. ? Have u try walking around chinatown or 168 etc. Try it. Try walking from. La cafe (old) name up and down the street. Try walking from la cafe to makati. It's a long walk. Yry b4 u defend the unknown

Where did I say Makati City,please tell me?

And yes I've walked all over Manila at night,Makati,Malate,Burgos Street we use to walk there from Makati Avenue where my buddy used to DJ at Time nightclub and Chihuahua (he's Latino so did Salsa nights there!)

To the Bronx Bar one of the few still open on Burgos Street at around 5-6:00am and guess what...we had a wonderful time,no problems,no attacks,nothing!

Because you are native Phillippino YOU will have no problems going around areas or taking foreign friends around but foreigners may have problems. Thailand has 65 million people---Phill has 100 million. Beaches are even nicer in Phill but Thailand gets almost 30 million tourists a year---the Phillippeans less than 5 million. Why ? People don't want to visit poor dirty looking country where they may be kidnapped and they see armed guards at McDonald's ,banks , malls and many other places. Do you see that in Thailand, Vietnam or Laos? And you know that the country sends their Dr's nurses, school teachers ect overseas to make money to send home because of the poor conditions in Phill.

No in Thailand they just attack and kill tourists. Quit being so ridiculous in your post.

[MyFrenU]

"Because you are native Phillippino YOU will have no problems going around areas or taking foreign friends around but foreigners may have problems. Thailand has 65 million people---Phill has 100 million. Beaches are even nicer in Phill but Thailand gets almost 30 million tourists a year---the Phillippeans less than 5 million. Why ? People don't want to visit poor dirty looking country where they may be kidnapped and they see armed guards at McDonald's ,banks , malls and many other places. Do you see that in Thailand, Vietnam or Laos? And you know that the country sends their Dr's nurses, school teachers ect overseas to make money to send home because of the poor conditions in Phill."

I'm blue-eyed,blond-haired and from the UK I'm afraid!

So yeh,all the above with no problems,no attacks,no kidnappings from Abu Sayyaf,nothing...
Had Karaoke sessions on the microphone at Wendy's at 5-6:00am with all the staff laughing with us!
Been to the reggae nights at The Collective,B-Side etc. nothing but a fantastic time with probably the friendliest people in the World,the Pinoys!

http://www.wheninmanila.com/manila-sunday-nightlife-reggae-music-at-b-side-bar-in-the-collective-makati/

[MyFrenU]

"No in Thailand they just attack and kill tourists. Quit being so ridiculous in your post."

This!!!
And on a daily basis and very well publicised these days.It really does make me wonder why people bother to go there anymore,to a place they are just so obviously not wanted?

[CHRISTIANa9]

Do u travel alone or with a bunch of local? Do u have private transport waiting for u? Do u stay within makati? It's makati not makati city. Have u Try walking alone at night from ayala ave to burgos st. ? Have u try walking around chinatown or 168 etc. Try it. Try walking from. La cafe (old) name up and down the street. Try walking from la cafe to makati. It's a long walk. Yry b4 u defend the unknown

Where did I say Makati City,please tell me?

And yes I've walked all over Manila at night,Makati,Malate,Burgos Street we use to walk there from Makati Avenue where my buddy used to DJ at Time nightclub and Chihuahua (he's Latino so did Salsa nights there!)

To the Bronx Bar one of the few still open on Burgos Street at around 5-6:00am and guess what...we had a wonderful time,no problems,no attacks,nothing!

Good for u, please carry on and leave ThailAnd for us mortal.

[MyFrenU]

"Good for u, please carry on and leave ThailAnd for us mortal."

I actually feel sorry for Thailand and the Thais when I come across such negative people as you,with nothing good to say about anyone or anywhere,poor Thailand is welcome to you!

[CHRISTIANa9]

"Good for u, please carry on and leave ThailAnd for us mortal."

I actually feel sorry for Thailand and the Thais when I come across such negative people as you,with nothing good to say about anyone or anywhere,poor Thailand is welcome to you!

U are wrong again. There are many things i like about Philippines, just safety is not one of them. Its terribly unsafe. If i have a private transport fetching everywhere, with local escort, its a fun place.

[Tony125]

13 Indonesian sailors abducted by suspected Abu Sayyaf terrorists

MANILA: -- Thirteen Indonesian sailors have been abducted by suspected Abu Sayyaf militants from their tugboat off the southern Philippine province of Tawi-Tawi two weeks after four Malaysian hostages were released for ransom, The Manila Times Onlinereported on Thursday.

Indonesia media reported that the boat captain of the tugboat Charles 00 phoned his wife and told her that gunmen who introduced themselves as Abu Sayyaf intercepted them at sea on Wednesday then demanded 20 million ringgits for their safe release.

Both the abductors and their hostages were last seen heading toward Tawi-Tawi, one of the five provinces under the Muslim autonomous region.

Source: http://englishnews.t...yaf-terrorists/

[Tony125]

https://www.yahoo.com/news/philippine-militants-release-hostage-duterte-intervention-073500579.html

World

Freed hostage recounts boyfriend's beheading by Philippine militants Ayee Macaraig,AFP 1 hour 26 minutes ago

A Filipina hostage released by southern Philippine militants on Friday broke down in tears as she recounted how her Canadian boyfriend had been beheaded a week earlier.

Marites Flor was abducted in September by Abu Sayyaf militants, along with three others, two of whom -- Flor's partner Robert Hall and fellow Canadian John Ridsdel -- were killed.

Flor cried as she recounted how the kidnappers led away Hall to be beheaded after a ransom deadline lapsed last week. Ridsdel had been killed in April.

[Tony125]

Philippines: President Duterte 'will confront' Isis-linked Abu Sayyaf as kidnappings continue

http://www.ibtimes.co.uk/philippines-president-duterte-will-confront-isis-linked-abu-sayyaf-kidnappings-continue-1567229?utm_source=yahoo&utm_medium=referral&utm_campaign=rss&utm_content=/rss/yahoous/news&yptr=yahoo

[poorguy]

yes,thanks for your share,phillippines has so much beautiful beach!

[balo]

The Norwegian hostage is the only one left , the family try to raise money to release him , since the Norwegian government will not pay anything.

So I think they will kill him if they do not receive any money soon.

[hawker9000]

Do u travel alone or with a bunch of local? Do u have private transport waiting for u? Do u stay within makati? It's makati not makati city. Have u Try walking alone at night from ayala ave to burgos st. ? Have u try walking around chinatown or 168 etc. Try it. Try walking from. La cafe (old) name up and down the street. Try walking from la cafe to makati. It's a long walk. Yry b4 u defend the unknown

Where did I say Makati City,please tell me?

And yes I've walked all over Manila at night,Makati,Malate,Burgos Street we use to walk there from Makati Avenue where my buddy used to DJ at Time nightclub and Chihuahua (he's Latino so did Salsa nights there!)

To the Bronx Bar one of the few still open on Burgos Street at around 5-6:00am and guess what...we had a wonderful time,no problems,no attacks,nothing!

Because you are native Phillippino YOU will have no problems going around areas or taking foreign friends around but foreigners may have problems. Thailand has 65 million people---Phill has 100 million. Beaches are even nicer in Phill but Thailand gets almost 30 million tourists a year---the Phillippeans less than 5 million. Why ? People don't want to visit poor dirty looking country where they may be kidnapped and they see armed guards at McDonald's ,banks , malls and many other places. Do you see that in Thailand, Vietnam or Laos? And you know that the country sends their Dr's nurses, school teachers ect overseas to make money to send home because of the poor conditions in Phill.

No in Thailand they just attack and kill tourists. Quit being so ridiculous in your post.

LOL. And that doesn't happen in the Philippines?

http://www.abc.net.au/news/2016-04-26/philippines-militants-behead-canadian-tourist/7356888

(just one example)

http://factsanddetails.com/southeast-asia/Philippines/sub5_6f/entry-3910.html

(includes some more examples)

SOMEbody needs to "quit being so ridiculous"...

The OBVIOUS bottom line here is that BOTH places can be dangerous for tourists.

[balo]

In Thailand I can walk alone at night most places, I would never dare to do the same in Phills alone without locals with me.

[mike2011]

You can use public transport in Southern Thailand as a foreigner (looking white) and have no problems. You can't do that west of Zamboanga. The authorities will stop you from doing so.

PLUS you better dont do it south of a line Molave - Sindangan. Even Pagadian is bad.

Unfortunately, the entire Rio Grande area also needs to be added to that list plus the area south of the Isulan - Cotabato highway.

That covers a pretty nasty and extensive stretch of land.

Worse: As the Davao attacks showed - the list is incomplete and raids go far beyond.

No idea if there is a statistics on chopped of white heads Thailand vs Phils. or, being more positive: white foreigners dies in captivity; or, just held hostage and released after paying some minor sums.

Comparing Manila with BKK: You wont get robbed in Central BKK, be it by criminals in or without uniform.

Kidnapping foreign business in Pampanga and surroundings (mostly Koreans) is a favorite past-time of filipino criminals. How many foreign businessmen have been kidnapped or their families shot in Thailand?

Finally, Duterte makes the Thai junta look like Sunday school boys.

The Philippines are pretty lawless, thoroughly corrupt, and health-wise an epic mess. That does not mean that are not livable spots and nice people. The overall picture is, however, the view down an unflushed toilet.

Taken this together it is non-sense that Thailand is more dangerous.

[genobkk]

I have not been to Manila but I have been to, Cebu, Bohol, Panglao. After hearing stories like you describe I feared for the worst but it was a great trip, no issues with taxis, they even spoke Engkish. I even walked to the mall near my hotel after dark in Cebu. Nothing bad happened I spent 3 weeks. Yes I did see armed guards at Starbucks and shopping malls, I saw a lot more poverty then Thailand.

I will say that I felt less safe then in Thailand, maybe because of all the bad stuff I heard, maybe seeing all the armed guards but I am going back for a month stoping in Manila just for a few days My advise skip Manila your first time as I did If you go to the Philippines and skip Manila and use street smarts I am sure you will report back lving your trip. I will report about my first stay in in Manila as well.

[MyFrenU]

I have not been to Manila but I have been to, Cebu, Bohol, Panglao. After hearing stories like you describe I feared for the worst but it was a great trip, no issues with taxis, they even spoke Engkish. I even walked to the mall near my hotel after dark in Cebu. Nothing bad happened I spent 3 weeks. Yes I did see armed guards at Starbucks and shopping malls, I saw a lot more poverty then Thailand.

I will say that I felt less safe then in Thailand, maybe because of all the bad stuff I heard, maybe seeing all the armed guards but I am going back for a month stoping in Manila just for a few days My advise skip Manila your first time as I did If you go to the Philippines and skip Manila and use street smarts I am sure you will report back lving your trip. I will report about my first stay in in Manila as well.

I can GUARANTEE you that all the people commenting on here,saying the Philippines is unsafe have NEVER been there and thankfully,never will!

Cebu and Manila are not so different,they are the first and second largest cities in the Philippines after all Manila is much,much bigger and more overcrowded but it puts Bangkok to shame for shopping in Makati and restaurants also.

Try the People's Palace for Thai food it's a great place an right in the centre of Makati and the shopping,bars,restaurants etc. :

https://www.tripadvisor.ca/Restaurant_Review-g298450-d804094-Reviews-People_s_Palace-Makati_Metro_Manila_Luzon.html

[Scouse123]

I have not been to Manila but I have been to, Cebu, Bohol, Panglao. After hearing stories like you describe I feared for the worst but it was a great trip, no issues with taxis, they even spoke Engkish. I even walked to the mall near my hotel after dark in Cebu. Nothing bad happened I spent 3 weeks. Yes I did see armed guards at Starbucks and shopping malls, I saw a lot more poverty then Thailand.

I will say that I felt less safe then in Thailand, maybe because of all the bad stuff I heard, maybe seeing all the armed guards but I am going back for a month stoping in Manila just for a few days My advise skip Manila your first time as I did If you go to the Philippines and skip Manila and use street smarts I am sure you will report back lving your trip. I will report about my first stay in in Manila as well.

I can GUARANTEE you that all the people commenting on here,saying the Philippines is unsafe have NEVER been there and thankfully,never will!

Cebu and Manila are not so different,they are the first and second largest cities in the Philippines after all Manila is much,much bigger and more overcrowded but it puts Bangkok to shame for shopping in Makati and restaurants also.

Try the People's Palace for Thai food it's a great place an right in the centre of Makati and the shopping,bars,restaurants etc. :

https://www.tripadvisor.ca/Restaurant_Review-g298450-d804094-Reviews-People_s_Palace-Makati_Metro_Manila_Luzon.html

That's an unfair and sweeping statement. I started the thread by stating about a friend who had returned from there and gave his assessment on the place and he is well travelled around Asia.

We have heard from guys who have lived there for substantial amounts of time and some who have Filipina wives. You cannot say they are all wrong just because their experiences and knowledge differs from yours.

[MyFrenU]

I have not been to Manila but I have been to, Cebu, Bohol, Panglao. After hearing stories like you describe I feared for the worst but it was a great trip, no issues with taxis, they even spoke Engkish. I even walked to the mall near my hotel after dark in Cebu. Nothing bad happened I spent 3 weeks. Yes I did see armed guards at Starbucks and shopping malls, I saw a lot more poverty then Thailand.

I will say that I felt less safe then in Thailand, maybe because of all the bad stuff I heard, maybe seeing all the armed guards but I am going back for a month stoping in Manila just for a few days My advise skip Manila your first time as I did If you go to the Philippines and skip Manila and use street smarts I am sure you will report back lving your trip. I will report about my first stay in in Manila as well.

I can GUARANTEE you that all the people commenting on here,saying the Philippines is unsafe have NEVER been there and thankfully,never will!

Cebu and Manila are not so different,they are the first and second largest cities in the Philippines after all Manila is much,much bigger and more overcrowded but it puts Bangkok to shame for shopping in Makati and restaurants also.

Try the People's Palace for Thai food it's a great place an right in the centre of Makati and the shopping,bars,restaurants etc. :

https://www.tripadvisor.ca/Restaurant_Review-g298450-d804094-Reviews-People_s_Palace-Makati_Metro_Manila_Luzon.html

That's an unfair and sweeping statement. I started the thread by stating about a friend who had returned from there and gave his assessment on the place and he is well travelled around Asia.

We have heard from guys who have lived there for substantial amounts of time and some who have Filipina wives. You cannot say they are all wrong just because their experiences and knowledge differs from yours.

So you even admit to starting a thread denigrating somewhere you've never been then?

[Scouse123]

Absolute nonsense,

I merely stated observations made by a friend who had been as I had been contemplating on visiting the place until I started reading and hearing the horror stories. I then sought advice from people who have been, lived there, visited long and short term to gain knowledge and get their views.

That is the idea of a public forum, to exchange views and find out the good, the bad and the ugly. I certainly have made no judgement or degenerated anybody and stated from the outset I had never been.

You need to read the post fully before making accusations like that and then read the responses from TV members. You seem to have a problem with any person whose views differ from yours.

[MyFrenU]

Absolute nonsense,

I merely stated observations made by a friend who had been as I had been contemplating on visiting the place until I started reading and hearing the horror stories. I then sought advice from people who have been, lived there, visited long and short term to gain knowledge and get their views.

That is the idea of a public forum, to exchange views and find out the good, the bad and the ugly. I certainly have made no judgement or degenerated anybody and stated from the outset I had never been.

You need to read the post fully before making accusations like that and then read the responses from TV members. You seem to have a problem with any person whose views differ from yours.

No I have a problem with people denigrating the Philippines that have never been there,like you,as I have lived and worked there and know the truth.If you are trapped in Thailand like so many here desperately trying to convince yourself that putting all your assets in your Thai wife's/girlfriend's name was a wise move then you're in denial,if not I don't understand what your motivation is?

The Philippines are beautiful islands with some of the most pristine beaches in the World and some of the friendliest people in the World to boot,if you don't want to go there that is just fine but why are you trying to convince other people not to go there.When Thailand is clearly less welcoming to foreigners and far,far more violent with many more unexplained tourist deaths on a daily basis?

The same can be said of Vietnam,Cambodia,Laos,Myanmar,Indonesia,Malaysia,Singapore etc. with regards to tourist deaths,unexplained or otherwise these are the indisputable facts!

[Scouse123]

Yeah, yeah, yeah,

Whatever!

[balo]

Absolute nonsense,

I merely stated observations made by a friend who had been as I had been contemplating on visiting the place until I started reading and hearing the horror stories. I then sought advice from people who have been, lived there, visited long and short term to gain knowledge and get their views.

That is the idea of a public forum, to exchange views and find out the good, the bad and the ugly. I certainly have made no judgement or degenerated anybody and stated from the outset I had never been.

You need to read the post fully before making accusations like that and then read the responses from TV members. You seem to have a problem with any person whose views differ from yours.

No I have a problem with people denigrating the Philippines that have never been there,like you,as I have lived and worked there and know the truth.If you are trapped in Thailand like so many here desperately trying to convince yourself that putting all your assets in your Thai wife's/girlfriend's name was a wise move then you're in denial,if not I don't understand what your motivation is?

The Philippines are beautiful islands with some of the most pristine beaches in the World and some of the friendliest people in the World to boot,if you don't want to go there that is just fine but why are you trying to convince other people not to go there.When Thailand is clearly less welcoming to foreigners and far,far more violent with many more unexplained tourist deaths on a daily basis?

The same can be said of Vietnam,Cambodia,Laos,Myanmar,Indonesia,Malaysia,Singapore etc. with regards to tourist deaths,unexplained or otherwise these are the indisputable facts!

So according to you there are no unexplained tourist deaths in the Phillippines ? You can hire hit men there to kill someone for 10000 pesos! Life is cheap there.

I can find lots of articles about tourist/expat deaths in the Phills , anytime.

List of foreigners killed in the Philippines in the past 10 years (August 18, 2013)

October 9, 2014 at 10:46pm

The list is only a sample of the foreigner murders or acts of terrorism committed there the last decade. Many more are committed and not reported in the regional or national news, case in point, look at the State Department cases - Unnamed American on my list at the bottom.

AITKIN, Phillip Andrew b: abt 1963 in Australia (British passport - dual) d: 20Oct 2008 in Guadalupe Village, Lanang, Davao City, Mindanao, Philippines

AKSNES, NilsFrode Steen b: abt 1958 in Norway d: 20 Jul 2009 in Grantville Subdivision,Consolacion, Cebu, Philippines

ANG, Luis b:abt 1953 in Chinese National d: 18 Oct 2011 in Tondo District, Metro Manila,Philippines

ATKINS, PaulRaymond b: abt 1949 in Stoke On Trent, England d: 18 Oct 2011 in Angeles City,Pampanga, Philippines

BALMER, Davidb: abt 1955 in Northern Ireland d: Sep 2009 in Barangay Malabanias, AngelesCity, Pampanga, Philippines

BASHAM, JamesK b: 14 May 1947 in Jefferson County, Kentucky d: 19 Sep 2010 in BarangayPampang, Angeles City, Pampanga, Philippines

BAYLEY, Grahamb: abt 1952 in of Staffordshire, England d: 31 Dec 2010 in Cabanatuan City,Nueva Ecija, Luzon, Philippines

BENNUN ORBANNAN, Geoffrey Allan b: abt 1950 in Canadian passport d: 12 Jul 2010 inClarkview, Angeles City, Pampanga, Philippines

BROWN, IvanRoyal b: abt 1943 in /of Bentleigh Court, Australia d: 24 Sep 2008 in AngelesCity, Pampanga, Philippines

BUCHNER,Donald b: in United States d: 26 Sep 1989 in near Camp O'Donnell, Capas,Tarlac, Philippines

BUENAFLOR,Raymond Cesar b: 18 Oct 1938 in of the U.S. d: 10 Feb 2010 in Barangay PulungMaragul, Angeles City, Pampanga

BUHLER, RonaldBarsh b: abt 1952 in Germany d: 26 May 2010 in Village 3. Talakag, Bukidnon,Mindanao, Philippines

BUJNOWSKI,George Harold b: 22 May 1947 in prob Massachusetts d: 26 Aug 2009 in BarangayGun-ob, Lapu-Lapu City, Cebu, Philippines

BURNEY, Jim b:abt 1944 in Australia d: 25 May 2009 in Tangalan, Aklan, Philippines

BURNHAM,"Hostage" Martin "Missionary" b: abt 1960 in of Rose Hill,Butler County, Kansas d: 7 Jun 2002 in Mindanao, Philippines

CABURNAY,Orlando Barrozo b: 19 Aug 1952 in /of Greatmills, St. Mary's County, Marylandd: 27 Jun 2011 in Brgy. Sampaguita, San Pedro, Laguna, Philippines

CAMPBELL,Julia "Peace Corps" b: 25 Jan 1967 in of Fairfax, Fairfax County,Virginia d: 8 Apr 2007 in Brgy. Batad, Banaue, Ifugao, Philippines

CARZEDDA, FrSalvatore b: in Italy d: 1992 in Zamboanga, Mindanao, Philippines

CASTEEN,Leamon Wesley Jr b: 23 Jan 1935 in South Carolina d: 30 Mar 2011 in SanciangkoStreet, Cebu City, Cebu, Phillipines

CHANDER,Subash "Lucky" b: abt 1977 in India d: bef 26 Sep 2010 in Ilagan,Isabela, Philippines

CHANG, Suk-hi(plus two unamed) b: abt 1954 in South Korea d: 27 Jul 2008 in Kabalan village,Olongapo City, Philippines

CHO, Rev.Te-Hwan "Missionary" b: in South Korea d: 22 Aug 2010 in Manila,Philippines

CHOI, In-Soob: in South Korea d: 2 Dec 2011 in Hospital, Cagayan de Oro City, Philippines

CO, Shahani"Raymond" b: in Chinese National d: 28 Nov 2010 in Fontana LeisureParks/Casino, CEZ, Angeles City, Pampanga, Philippines

CONEJAR, Rodgen b: abt 1954 in Australia d: 11Nov 2011 in Bunawan Brook, Agusan del Sur, Mindanao, Philippines

COWPERTHWAITE, John James b: abt 1944 inEngland d: 2 May 2004 in villa La Dolce Vita, Mt. Luho, Balabag, BoracayIsland, Aklan, Philippines

DAVIS, Sgt Randy b: abt 1957 in United Statesd: 28 Oct 1987 in Angeles City, Pampanga, Philippines

DAVIS, Steven "Steve" b: in Englandd: 2002 in Manila, Philippines

DEBONO, Joseph Mary b: abt 1938 in Australia d:7 Aug 2011 in Ano, Brgy. Banilad, Dumaguete City, Negros Oriental, Philippines

DIEFENBACKED, Benn b: in Europe d: bet Jan andSep 2011 in Angeles City, Pampanga, Philippines

DOLAN, Owen b: in New Zealand d: 15 Aug 2001 inAngeles City, Pampanga, Philippines

DVORAK, Richard Kevin b: 12 Apr 1961 inMissouri d: 27 Aug 2003 in Angeles City, Pampanga, Philippines

Ex-pat aka "Santa Claus” b: in UnitedStates d: 2000 in Angeles City, Pampanga, Philippines

FAHEY, Kenneth b: abt 1953 in /of Sydney, NewSouth Wales, Australia d: 24 Feb 2009 in near Ayungon, Negros Oriental,Philippines

FAUST, A1C Steven M b: 11 Sep 1965 in DeerPark, Harris County, Texas d: 28 Oct 1987 in Angeles City, Pampanga,Philippines

FAVALI, Fr. Tullio b: in Italy d: 1985 inTulunan, North Cotabato, Mindanao, Philippines

FORSTENHAUSLER, Anton b: abt 1941 in Germany d:2 May 2004 in villa La Dolce Vita, Boracay Island, Aklan, Philippines

FRONDA, Julius b: abt 1960 in /a U.S. Citizend: 14 Mar 2011 in #284 Unson St., San Pablo City, Laguna, Philippines

FRONDA, Zenaida b: abt 1937 in /a U.S. Citizend: 14 Mar 2011 in #284 Unson St., San Pablo City, Laguna, Philippines

<deleted>, Cheuk-Yan b: in of Hong Kong d: 23 Aug 2010in Quirino Grandstand, Manila, Philippines

FUNG, Kwok Che b: abt 1949 in of Hong Kong d:abt 8 Apr 2011 in Sitio Cantimog, Brgy. Libhu, Maasin City, Leyte, Philippines

GRAHAM, James Kermit b: in United States d: inAngeles City, Pampanga, Philippines

HA, Yang-Kang b: in South Korea d: 30 Jan 2010in Angeles City, Pampanga, Philippines

HAESSLER, Kartsen b: abt 1963 in of Wolfsburg,Germany d: Nov 2006 in San Francisco, Agusan del Sur, Mindanao, Philippines

HAMMER, John d: abt 2000 in Angeles City,Pampanga, Philippines

HOLTZ, Hans b: abt 1954 in Germany d: 14 Apr2006 in Clark Ave, Villasol Subd, Brgy Arunas, Angeles City, Philippines

HOLZ, Werner b: abt 1947 in of Melbourne,Australia d: 6 Jan 2009 in Ajuy, Iloilo, Philippines

HONDA, Hiromi b: abt 1951 in Japan d: abt 30Jan 2010 in Manila, Philippines

HUANG, Shao-Huai b: abt 1964 in ChineseNational d: 9 Jul 2011 in St. Luke’s Medical Center, Quezon City, Luzon, Philippines

HYDE, William P "Missionary" b: 3 Feb1944 in of Iowa d: 4 Mar 2003 in Davao City, Mindano, Philippines

HYUNG, Hur b: abt 1952 in South Korea d: 28 Sep2011 in San Juan City, Manila, Philippines

IMOTO, Kazuya b: abt 1961 in Yoshimizu-Cho, Kyoto,Japan d: 8 Jun 2010 in Subic Techno Park, Subic Bay, Philippines

ISHERWOORD, Jane b: abt 1947 in England d: 30Oct 2010 in Dau Street, Pilar Village, Las Piñas City, NCR, Philippines

JARMAN, Leonard b: abt 1940 in Rhondda CynonTaf, Wales, United Kingdom d: 31 Aug 2007 in Las Pinas City, Metro Manila,Philippines

JOHNSON, SFC Mark Wayne "Green Beret"b: 7 Jun 1962 in Saginaw, Saginaw County, Michigan d: 2 Oct 2002 in Malagutay,Zamboanga, Mindanao, Philippines

JONES, Bruce Anthony b: abt 1960 in England d:21 Sep 2010 in Brgy. Pulung Maragul, Angeles City, Pampanga, Philippines

KAKARA, James Thomas b: 25 Feb 1950 in LosAngeles County, California d: 24 Dec 2011 in Viva Road, Barangay KaybagalSouth, Tagaytay City, Cavite, Philippines

KANG, Ha-Young b: in South Korea d: 30 Jan 2010in Clark economic zone, Angeles City, Pampanga, Philippines

KESSLER, Martin b: abt 1963 in Germany d: May2009 in Quezon City, Philippines

KIM, Jae-Chun Lee b: in South Korea d: 16 Dec2011 in Sta Barbara, Piat, Cagayan, Luzon, Philippines

KIM, Min-Jung b: abt 1988 in South Korea d: 24May 2011 in in Eurotel, Pedro Gil Street, Malate, Metro Manila, Philippines

KIM, Young-Dal b: abt 1954 in South Korea d: 26Jul 2011 in Ternate, Cavite, Philippines

KINDY, Steven "Steve" aka Candy b: 12Mar 1969 in of Midland, Midland County, Michigan d: 20 Sep 2010 in Mahayahay,Iligan, Lanao del Norte, Philippines

KO, Jaem-Young b: abt 1962 in South Korea d:abt 20 Jul 2010 in Villasol Subd., Brgy. Anunas, Angeles City, Pampanga,Philippines

KRUSE, Herman b: abt 1941 in Germany d: 3 Jul2009 in Daan Bantayan, Cebu, Philippines

KUMAR, Anil b: abt 1975 in India d: 20 May 2007in Lucban town, Quezon, Luzon, Philippines

LAVERI, William "Bill" b: 20 Aug 1939in prob Connecticut d: 28 Jul 2011 in Sta. Maria 1, Balibago, Angeles City,Pampanga, Philippines

LEE, Hyen-Koung b: in South Korea d: 26 Dec2007 in Brgy. Manibaug, Paralaya, Pampanga, Philippines

LEUNG, Doris Chung-See b: abt 1989 in of HongKong (Canadian Passport) d: 23 Aug 2010 in Quirino Grandstand, Manila,Philippines

LEUNG, Jessie Song-yi b: abt 1996 in of HongKong (Canadian Passport) d: 23 Aug 2010 in Quirino Grandstand, Manila,Philippines

LEUNG, Ken Kam-wing b: in of Hong Kong(Canadian Passport) d: 23 Aug 2010 in Quirino Grandstand, Manila, Philippines

LIM, Kyong Il b: abt 1979 in South Korea d: 30Jan 2011 in Ayala Alabang Village, Metro Manila, Philippines

LINGLEY, Barry Ernest b: 7 May 1950 in /of SanJose, Santa Clara County, California d: 27 Jun 2011 in Brgy. Cristo Rey, Capas,Tarlac, Philippines

LOBKI, Antonio Henricos b: abt 1919 inNetherlands d: 6 Jan 2009 in Barangay Liboron, Carcar City, Cebu, Phillipines

MAGELLAN, Ferdinand b: c 1480 in Sabrosa,Portugal d: 27 Apr 1521 in Mactan Island, Cebu, Philippines

MANGANTI, Ret. Sgt. Herculano b: abt 1927 inPhilippines with U.S. Citizenship d: 28 Oct 1987 in Angeles City, Pampanga,Philippines

MASA, Tse b: in of Hong Kong d: 23 Aug 2010 inQuirino Grandstand, Manila, Philippines

MAXWELL, Charles "Charlie" b: abt1948 in of Longbridge Deverill, Warminster, Wiltshire, England d: 12 Apr 2009in Ubay, Bohol, Philippines

MAZZA, Sergio Sandro b: abt 1972 in of Berlin,Germany d: 10 Jun 2010 in Legaspi Village, Makati, Manila, Philippines

MCDONALD, John Lorne b: abt 1983 in ofAberdeen, Lancashire, England d: 5 Sep 2010 in Angona, Rizal, Philippines

MELTON, Jerry b: abt 1957 in United States d: 5Mar 2009 in Barangay Malabanias, Angeles City, Philippines

MICHALSKI, Dr Frank Joseph M.D. b: 28 Sep 1938in of Jacksonville, Duval County, Florida d: 10 Aug 2009 in Tagaytay City,Cavite, Philippines

MIDDLETON, Carl Roy b: abt 1968 in of Englandd: 19 Jun 2010 in Tayaw Lodge, Baguio City, Philippines

MILLER, William Henry "Billy" b: abt1966 in United States d: 16 Dec 2010 in Barangay Capaya, Angeles City,Philippines

MITCHELL, Albert Raye Sr b: 28 Nov 1937 inHighpoint, Guilford County, North Carolina d: 22 Jul 2010 in BarangayMalabanias, Angeles City, Pampanga, Philippines

MURDOCH, Gordan David b: abt 1939 in ofBatemans Bay, Australia d: 16 Feb 1981 in Mindanao, Philippines

NICHOLAS, Anthony b: abt 1946 in of London,England d: 6 Sep 2010 in Sitio Matlag, Barangay 4, Sipalay, Negros Occidental,Philippines

NOE, Victor Eugene b: 31 Jan 1946 in of Indianad: 24 Jul 2006 in R. Duterte Street, Banawa, Cebu City, Cebu, Philippines

OH, Young-Kwan b: abt 1969 in South Korea d: 26Dec 2007 in Brgy. Manibaug, Paralaya, Pampanga, Philippines

PERIDER, Pierre b: in Belguim d: 22 Apr 2009 inSouthern Tagalog Arterial Road (STAR) Tollway in Batangas, Luzon, Philippines

PORTER, James Bolton b: abt 1960 in of Lincoln,Lincolnshire, England d: 16 Jul 2010 in Barangay Balibago, Angeles City,Pampanga, Philippines

R, Richard b: abt 1940 in of Canton,Switzerland d: 12 May 2010 in /near Manila, Philippines

RASAY, Mikael Troy Johansen b: abt 1993 in ofOslo, Norway d: 31 Jul 2011 in Timog Avenue, Quezon City, Philippines

REICH, Alexander b: abt 1987 in /ofBrüttisellen, in canton Zurich, Switzerland d: 22 Sep 2011 in Quezon City,Metro Manila, Philippines

REUTENBERG, Darcy Hanz "Missionary"b: abt 1958 in Canada d: 26 Jun 2011 in Barangay Adlawon, Cebu City, Cebu,Philippines

ROBERTS, Paul Anthony b: abt 1949 in England d:28 Jun 2009 in Barangay Canigao, Kalibo, Aklan, Philippines

ROWE, COL James Nicholas b: 8 Feb 1938 inMcAllen, Hidalgo County, Texas d: 21 Apr 1989 in Quezon City, Metro Manila,Philippines

SABERO, Guillermo b: abt 1961 in of Corona,Riverside County, California d: abt 12 Jun 2001 in Basilan Island, Mindanao,Philippines

SCHOENI, Manfred b: abt 1944 in Switzerland d:2 May 2004 in villa La Dolce Vita, Mt. Luho, Balabag, Boracay Island, Aklan,Philippines

SELVARAJ, Palaniappen b: abt 1955 in Malaysiad: 18 Jun 2009 in Angeles City, Pampanga, Philippines

SHINDA, Surinder b: in Jalandhar, Punjab, Indiad: Jul 2006 in Manila, Philippines

SIEPKAMP, Hans van de b: 10 Feb 1952 inVoorburg, Leidschendam, Zuid-Holland, Netherlands d: 15 Dec 2011 in Sta. Maria1, Balibago, Angeles City,

Pampanga, Philippines

SINGH, Charmjewd b: in India d: 25 Nov 2010 inPresident Quirino, Sultan Kudarat, Mindanao, Philippines

SINGH, Gurmail b: abt 1969 in Kot-Bhaktu,Bathinda, Punjabi, India d: 22 Jan 2011 in Manila, Philippines

SINGH, Manjeat b: abt 1984 in India d: 15 Nov2011 in Agusan del Sur, Mindanao, Philippines

SINGH, Mohinder b: in India d: 25 Feb 2011 inManila, Philippines

SINGH, Pardeep b: abt 1985 in India d: 5 Mar2011 in Angono, Rizal, Philippines

SINGH, Raja b: abt 1974 in India d: 10 Aug 2011in Brgy. Lower Mohon, Talisay City, Cebu, Philippines

SINGH, Satinder b: abt 1984 in India d: 10 Jun2010 in Panabo, Davao del Norte, Mindanao, Philippines

SINGH, Sokhdib b: in India d: 5 Oct 2010 inBrgy. Lag-asan, Cadiz City, Negros Occidental, Philippines

SINGH, Sukhinder b: abt 1985 in India d: 15 Nov2011 in Agusan del Sur, Mindanao, Philippines

SMITH, Brian Thomas b: 20 Feb 1960 in Grinnell,Poweshiek County, Iowa d: 30 Jan 2002 in Mt. Pinatubo, Porac, Pampanga, Philippines

SO, Richard b: abt 1955 in Chinese d: 24 Sep2010 in Haven Hotel, Brgy. Pulung Maragul, Angeles City, Pampanga, Philippines

STEIN, Nils Aksnes Frodei b: abt 1958 in Norwayd: 20 Jul 2009 in Subd. Jugan, Consolacion town, Cebu, Philippines

SUBHASH, Chandre Bhati b: abt 1974 in India d: 7Dec 2011 in Purok 2, Brgy. Naggasican, Santiago City, Isabela, Philippines

SUNG, Jung-Hak b: abt 1982 in South Korea d: 7Aug 2010 in Brgy. Dau, Mabalacat, Pampanga, Philippines

TENTORIO, Fr. Fausto b: abt 1952 in Italy d: 17Oct 2011 in Arakan, North Cotabato, Mindanao, Philippines

THOMPSON, William b: in United States d: 26 Sep1989 in near Camp O'Donnell, Capas, Tarlac, Philippines

THORPE, Thomas Michael b: 26 Dec 1979 inCanandaigua, Ontario County, New York d: 13 Aug 2009 in Fields Ave., Balibago,Angeles City, Pampamga, Philippines

U.S. STATE DEPT FILE, Two Unnamed American(s)b: in U.S. Citizen d: 25 Mar 2010 in San Jose Del Monte, Bulacan, Philippines

US NAVY, Two "Sebees" b: in of UnitedStates d: 29 Sep 2009 in near Indanan, Sulu, Jolo Island, Philippines

VIKSTEN, Alfonso Meker b: abt 1947 in Swedend: 7 Jun 2008 in Sitio Catap, Brgy. Banlot, Sibonga, Cebu, Philippines

WANG, Guilin b: abt 1964 in Chinese National d:18 Dec 2001 in Nueva Ecija province, North Luzon, Philippines

WILLIAMS, Martin b: abt 1966 in of Liverpool,England d: 24 Mar 2009 in Boloc-boloc Spring, Brgy. Mansasa, Pangalo, Bohol,Philippines

WONG, Tze-Iam b: in of Hong Kong d: 23 Aug 2010in Quirino Grandstand, Manila, Philippines

YEUNG, Yee-kam b: in of Hong Kong d: 23 Aug2010 in Quirino Grandstand, Manila, Philippines

YEUNG, Yee-Wa b: in of Hong Kong d: 23 Aug 2010in Quirino Grandstand, Manila, Philippines

[HooHaa]

Hawker, thanks for confirming my assumption. You dont have better data at hand. So why are other statements more laughable than you own? Yup nice try and even nicer score

Anyhow, I think we agree that the Phils are relatively more dangerous than Thailand while Thailand has more victims in absolute numbers.

His statements dovetail with my experiences. I live in Thailand and work in Manila.

Fort bonifacio is as safe and sterile as singapore, Forbes is hundred year old trees and mansions .

Head through the golf course to the outskirts of makati and things can get real pretty quick. Certain areas of metro Manila make klong toey look like a country club.

The Philippines has a far more extreme range of conditions from wealthy and very beautiful gated communities to the direst of slums often separated by a street or a 5 meter wall.

And yes violence against foreigners may well be higher - as you said the ratios are higher- the Phil's wins hands down in degree of violence against foreigners as well as but just plain violence against their own.

[tifino]

when I was still with my now-ex pilipina missus, we were staying on family land outside Cavite.

We (I) noticed many events going on all the time around us...

Even the old bag was starting to get scared, when a whitey down the street was murdered whilst out on his farm property.

The killers took all his property (including the house etc that is) Eventually his missus was taken down too, when she was implicated in the affair

I checked that listing earlier in this Thread.

Still sweating how close I had become to being on that list back 1995 era.

My then-fiancee's ex-common law hubby had sneaked into our Engagement/her birthday party on the beach.

(I later found out how nasty the back ground of my threat, that no one including my then fiancee warned me of his presence)

He was pretending to be a 'cousin'

While drinking in a big tent, separate from all the women folk, this dude JoJo C***, a worker at Ternate Resort (who I also found out later was an earlier convicted killer) , tried to buddy up and amid the drinking, tried to coax me onto a long boat down by the waterside, as he wanted to take me out, just him and me, out onto the bay

when I declined the offer he then vanished back into the crowd and apparently left...

Months later, after married, and then the soon-after separation, I come across some photos.

It was him! the ex's ex common law hubby, in OUR room,both in their undies.

My last words to her were my thoughts and realisations on what had earlier transpired (on the beach), and she admitted something bad was planned, though denied being part of it.

Anyhow, I am a cool kat, and didn't rip her head off, instead ensured she got back on the plane that was due to leave for Singapore then PhiloLand

good riddance

they deserved each other

[MyFrenU]

Absolute nonsense,

I merely stated observations made by a friend who had been as I had been contemplating on visiting the place until I started reading and hearing the horror stories. I then sought advice from people who have been, lived there, visited long and short term to gain knowledge and get their views.

That is the idea of a public forum, to exchange views and find out the good, the bad and the ugly. I certainly have made no judgement or degenerated anybody and stated from the outset I had never been.

You need to read the post fully before making accusations like that and then read the responses from TV members. You seem to have a problem with any person whose views differ from yours.

No I have a problem with people denigrating the Philippines that have never been there,like you,as I have lived and worked there and know the truth.If you are trapped in Thailand like so many here desperately trying to convince yourself that putting all your assets in your Thai wife's/girlfriend's name was a wise move then you're in denial,if not I don't understand what your motivation is?

The Philippines are beautiful islands with some of the most pristine beaches in the World and some of the friendliest people in the World to boot,if you don't want to go there that is just fine but why are you trying to convince other people not to go there.When Thailand is clearly less welcoming to foreigners and far,far more violent with many more unexplained tourist deaths on a daily basis?

The same can be said of Vietnam,Cambodia,Laos,Myanmar,Indonesia,Malaysia,Singapore etc. with regards to tourist deaths,unexplained or otherwise these are the indisputable facts!

So according to you there are no unexplained tourist deaths in the Phillippines ? You can hire hit men there to kill someone for 10000 pesos! Life is cheap there.

I can find lots of articles about tourist/expat deaths in the Phills , anytime.

List of foreigners killed in the Philippines in the past 10 years (August 18, 2013)

October 9, 2014 at 10:46pm

The list is only a sample of the foreigner murders or acts of terrorism committed there the last decade. Many more are committed and not reported in the regional or national news, case in point, look at the State Department cases - Unnamed American on my list at the bottom.

AITKIN, Phillip Andrew b: abt 1963 in Australia (British passport - dual) d: 20Oct 2008 in Guadalupe Village, Lanang, Davao City, Mindanao, Philippines

AKSNES, NilsFrode Steen b: abt 1958 in Norway d: 20 Jul 2009 in Grantville Subdivision,Consolacion, Cebu, Philippines

ANG, Luis b:abt 1953 in Chinese National d: 18 Oct 2011 in Tondo District, Metro Manila,Philippines

ATKINS, PaulRaymond b: abt 1949 in Stoke On Trent, England d: 18 Oct 2011 in Angeles City,Pampanga, Philippines

BALMER, Davidb: abt 1955 in Northern Ireland d: Sep 2009 in Barangay Malabanias, AngelesCity, Pampanga, Philippines

BASHAM, JamesK b: 14 May 1947 in Jefferson County, Kentucky d: 19 Sep 2010 in BarangayPampang, Angeles City, Pampanga, Philippines

BAYLEY, Grahamb: abt 1952 in of Staffordshire, England d: 31 Dec 2010 in Cabanatuan City,Nueva Ecija, Luzon, Philippines

BENNUN ORBANNAN, Geoffrey Allan b: abt 1950 in Canadian passport d: 12 Jul 2010 inClarkview, Angeles City, Pampanga, Philippines

BROWN, IvanRoyal b: abt 1943 in /of Bentleigh Court, Australia d: 24 Sep 2008 in AngelesCity, Pampanga, Philippines

BUCHNER,Donald b: in United States d: 26 Sep 1989 in near Camp O'Donnell, Capas,Tarlac, Philippines

BUENAFLOR,Raymond Cesar b: 18 Oct 1938 in of the U.S. d: 10 Feb 2010 in Barangay PulungMaragul, Angeles City, Pampanga

BUHLER, RonaldBarsh b: abt 1952 in Germany d: 26 May 2010 in Village 3. Talakag, Bukidnon,Mindanao, Philippines

BUJNOWSKI,George Harold b: 22 May 1947 in prob Massachusetts d: 26 Aug 2009 in BarangayGun-ob, Lapu-Lapu City, Cebu, Philippines

BURNEY, Jim b:abt 1944 in Australia d: 25 May 2009 in Tangalan, Aklan, Philippines

BURNHAM,"Hostage" Martin "Missionary" b: abt 1960 in of Rose Hill,Butler County, Kansas d: 7 Jun 2002 in Mindanao, Philippines

CABURNAY,Orlando Barrozo b: 19 Aug 1952 in /of Greatmills, St. Mary's County, Marylandd: 27 Jun 2011 in Brgy. Sampaguita, San Pedro, Laguna, Philippines

CAMPBELL,Julia "Peace Corps" b: 25 Jan 1967 in of Fairfax, Fairfax County,Virginia d: 8 Apr 2007 in Brgy. Batad, Banaue, Ifugao, Philippines

CARZEDDA, FrSalvatore b: in Italy d: 1992 in Zamboanga, Mindanao, Philippines

CASTEEN,Leamon Wesley Jr b: 23 Jan 1935 in South Carolina d: 30 Mar 2011 in SanciangkoStreet, Cebu City, Cebu, Phillipines

CHANDER,Subash "Lucky" b: abt 1977 in India d: bef 26 Sep 2010 in Ilagan,Isabela, Philippines

CHANG, Suk-hi(plus two unamed) b: abt 1954 in South Korea d: 27 Jul 2008 in Kabalan village,Olongapo City, Philippines

CHO, Rev.Te-Hwan "Missionary" b: in South Korea d: 22 Aug 2010 in Manila,Philippines

CHOI, In-Soob: in South Korea d: 2 Dec 2011 in Hospital, Cagayan de Oro City, Philippines

CO, Shahani"Raymond" b: in Chinese National d: 28 Nov 2010 in Fontana LeisureParks/Casino, CEZ, Angeles City, Pampanga, Philippines

CONEJAR, Rodgen b: abt 1954 in Australia d: 11Nov 2011 in Bunawan Brook, Agusan del Sur, Mindanao, Philippines

COWPERTHWAITE, John James b: abt 1944 inEngland d: 2 May 2004 in villa La Dolce Vita, Mt. Luho, Balabag, BoracayIsland, Aklan, Philippines

DAVIS, Sgt Randy b: abt 1957 in United Statesd: 28 Oct 1987 in Angeles City, Pampanga, Philippines

DAVIS, Steven "Steve" b: in Englandd: 2002 in Manila, Philippines

DEBONO, Joseph Mary b: abt 1938 in Australia d:7 Aug 2011 in Ano, Brgy. Banilad, Dumaguete City, Negros Oriental, Philippines

DIEFENBACKED, Benn b: in Europe d: bet Jan andSep 2011 in Angeles City, Pampanga, Philippines

DOLAN, Owen b: in New Zealand d: 15 Aug 2001 inAngeles City, Pampanga, Philippines

DVORAK, Richard Kevin b: 12 Apr 1961 inMissouri d: 27 Aug 2003 in Angeles City, Pampanga, Philippines

Ex-pat aka "Santa Claus” b: in UnitedStates d: 2000 in Angeles City, Pampanga, Philippines

FAHEY, Kenneth b: abt 1953 in /of Sydney, NewSouth Wales, Australia d: 24 Feb 2009 in near Ayungon, Negros Oriental,Philippines

FAUST, A1C Steven M b: 11 Sep 1965 in DeerPark, Harris County, Texas d: 28 Oct 1987 in Angeles City, Pampanga,Philippines

FAVALI, Fr. Tullio b: in Italy d: 1985 inTulunan, North Cotabato, Mindanao, Philippines

FORSTENHAUSLER, Anton b: abt 1941 in Germany d:2 May 2004 in villa La Dolce Vita, Boracay Island, Aklan, Philippines

FRONDA, Julius b: abt 1960 in /a U.S. Citizend: 14 Mar 2011 in #284 Unson St., San Pablo City, Laguna, Philippines

FRONDA, Zenaida b: abt 1937 in /a U.S. Citizend: 14 Mar 2011 in #284 Unson St., San Pablo City, Laguna, Philippines

<deleted>, Cheuk-Yan b: in of Hong Kong d: 23 Aug 2010in Quirino Grandstand, Manila, Philippines

FUNG, Kwok Che b: abt 1949 in of Hong Kong d:abt 8 Apr 2011 in Sitio Cantimog, Brgy. Libhu, Maasin City, Leyte, Philippines

GRAHAM, James Kermit b: in United States d: inAngeles City, Pampanga, Philippines

HA, Yang-Kang b: in South Korea d: 30 Jan 2010in Angeles City, Pampanga, Philippines

HAESSLER, Kartsen b: abt 1963 in of Wolfsburg,Germany d: Nov 2006 in San Francisco, Agusan del Sur, Mindanao, Philippines

HAMMER, John d: abt 2000 in Angeles City,Pampanga, Philippines

HOLTZ, Hans b: abt 1954 in Germany d: 14 Apr2006 in Clark Ave, Villasol Subd, Brgy Arunas, Angeles City, Philippines

HOLZ, Werner b: abt 1947 in of Melbourne,Australia d: 6 Jan 2009 in Ajuy, Iloilo, Philippines

HONDA, Hiromi b: abt 1951 in Japan d: abt 30Jan 2010 in Manila, Philippines

HUANG, Shao-Huai b: abt 1964 in ChineseNational d: 9 Jul 2011 in St. Luke’s Medical Center, Quezon City, Luzon, Philippines

HYDE, William P "Missionary" b: 3 Feb1944 in of Iowa d: 4 Mar 2003 in Davao City, Mindano, Philippines

HYUNG, Hur b: abt 1952 in South Korea d: 28 Sep2011 in San Juan City, Manila, Philippines

IMOTO, Kazuya b: abt 1961 in Yoshimizu-Cho, Kyoto,Japan d: 8 Jun 2010 in Subic Techno Park, Subic Bay, Philippines

ISHERWOORD, Jane b: abt 1947 in England d: 30Oct 2010 in Dau Street, Pilar Village, Las Piñas City, NCR, Philippines

JARMAN, Leonard b: abt 1940 in Rhondda CynonTaf, Wales, United Kingdom d: 31 Aug 2007 in Las Pinas City, Metro Manila,Philippines

JOHNSON, SFC Mark Wayne "Green Beret"b: 7 Jun 1962 in Saginaw, Saginaw County, Michigan d: 2 Oct 2002 in Malagutay,Zamboanga, Mindanao, Philippines

JONES, Bruce Anthony b: abt 1960 in England d:21 Sep 2010 in Brgy. Pulung Maragul, Angeles City, Pampanga, Philippines

KAKARA, James Thomas b: 25 Feb 1950 in LosAngeles County, California d: 24 Dec 2011 in Viva Road, Barangay KaybagalSouth, Tagaytay City, Cavite, Philippines

KANG, Ha-Young b: in South Korea d: 30 Jan 2010in Clark economic zone, Angeles City, Pampanga, Philippines

KESSLER, Martin b: abt 1963 in Germany d: May2009 in Quezon City, Philippines

KIM, Jae-Chun Lee b: in South Korea d: 16 Dec2011 in Sta Barbara, Piat, Cagayan, Luzon, Philippines

KIM, Min-Jung b: abt 1988 in South Korea d: 24May 2011 in in Eurotel, Pedro Gil Street, Malate, Metro Manila, Philippines

KIM, Young-Dal b: abt 1954 in South Korea d: 26Jul 2011 in Ternate, Cavite, Philippines

KINDY, Steven "Steve" aka Candy b: 12Mar 1969 in of Midland, Midland County, Michigan d: 20 Sep 2010 in Mahayahay,Iligan, Lanao del Norte, Philippines

KO, Jaem-Young b: abt 1962 in South Korea d:abt 20 Jul 2010 in Villasol Subd., Brgy. Anunas, Angeles City, Pampanga,Philippines

KRUSE, Herman b: abt 1941 in Germany d: 3 Jul2009 in Daan Bantayan, Cebu, Philippines

KUMAR, Anil b: abt 1975 in India d: 20 May 2007in Lucban town, Quezon, Luzon, Philippines

LAVERI, William "Bill" b: 20 Aug 1939in prob Connecticut d: 28 Jul 2011 in Sta. Maria 1, Balibago, Angeles City,Pampanga, Philippines

LEE, Hyen-Koung b: in South Korea d: 26 Dec2007 in Brgy. Manibaug, Paralaya, Pampanga, Philippines

LEUNG, Doris Chung-See b: abt 1989 in of HongKong (Canadian Passport) d: 23 Aug 2010 in Quirino Grandstand, Manila,Philippines

LEUNG, Jessie Song-yi b: abt 1996 in of HongKong (Canadian Passport) d: 23 Aug 2010 in Quirino Grandstand, Manila,Philippines

LEUNG, Ken Kam-wing b: in of Hong Kong(Canadian Passport) d: 23 Aug 2010 in Quirino Grandstand, Manila, Philippines

LIM, Kyong Il b: abt 1979 in South Korea d: 30Jan 2011 in Ayala Alabang Village, Metro Manila, Philippines

LINGLEY, Barry Ernest b: 7 May 1950 in /of SanJose, Santa Clara County, California d: 27 Jun 2011 in Brgy. Cristo Rey, Capas,Tarlac, Philippines

LOBKI, Antonio Henricos b: abt 1919 inNetherlands d: 6 Jan 2009 in Barangay Liboron, Carcar City, Cebu, Phillipines

MAGELLAN, Ferdinand b: c 1480 in Sabrosa,Portugal d: 27 Apr 1521 in Mactan Island, Cebu, Philippines

MANGANTI, Ret. Sgt. Herculano b: abt 1927 inPhilippines with U.S. Citizenship d: 28 Oct 1987 in Angeles City, Pampanga,Philippines

MASA, Tse b: in of Hong Kong d: 23 Aug 2010 inQuirino Grandstand, Manila, Philippines

MAXWELL, Charles "Charlie" b: abt1948 in of Longbridge Deverill, Warminster, Wiltshire, England d: 12 Apr 2009in Ubay, Bohol, Philippines

MAZZA, Sergio Sandro b: abt 1972 in of Berlin,Germany d: 10 Jun 2010 in Legaspi Village, Makati, Manila, Philippines

MCDONALD, John Lorne b: abt 1983 in ofAberdeen, Lancashire, England d: 5 Sep 2010 in Angona, Rizal, Philippines

MELTON, Jerry b: abt 1957 in United States d: 5Mar 2009 in Barangay Malabanias, Angeles City, Philippines

MICHALSKI, Dr Frank Joseph M.D. b: 28 Sep 1938in of Jacksonville, Duval County, Florida d: 10 Aug 2009 in Tagaytay City,Cavite, Philippines

MIDDLETON, Carl Roy b: abt 1968 in of Englandd: 19 Jun 2010 in Tayaw Lodge, Baguio City, Philippines

MILLER, William Henry "Billy" b: abt1966 in United States d: 16 Dec 2010 in Barangay Capaya, Angeles City,Philippines

MITCHELL, Albert Raye Sr b: 28 Nov 1937 inHighpoint, Guilford County, North Carolina d: 22 Jul 2010 in BarangayMalabanias, Angeles City, Pampanga, Philippines

MURDOCH, Gordan David b: abt 1939 in ofBatemans Bay, Australia d: 16 Feb 1981 in Mindanao, Philippines

NICHOLAS, Anthony b: abt 1946 in of London,England d: 6 Sep 2010 in Sitio Matlag, Barangay 4, Sipalay, Negros Occidental,Philippines

NOE, Victor Eugene b: 31 Jan 1946 in of Indianad: 24 Jul 2006 in R. Duterte Street, Banawa, Cebu City, Cebu, Philippines

OH, Young-Kwan b: abt 1969 in South Korea d: 26Dec 2007 in Brgy. Manibaug, Paralaya, Pampanga, Philippines

PERIDER, Pierre b: in Belguim d: 22 Apr 2009 inSouthern Tagalog Arterial Road (STAR) Tollway in Batangas, Luzon, Philippines

PORTER, James Bolton b: abt 1960 in of Lincoln,Lincolnshire, England d: 16 Jul 2010 in Barangay Balibago, Angeles City,Pampanga, Philippines

R, Richard b: abt 1940 in of Canton,Switzerland d: 12 May 2010 in /near Manila, Philippines

RASAY, Mikael Troy Johansen b: abt 1993 in ofOslo, Norway d: 31 Jul 2011 in Timog Avenue, Quezon City, Philippines

REICH, Alexander b: abt 1987 in /ofBrüttisellen, in canton Zurich, Switzerland d: 22 Sep 2011 in Quezon City,Metro Manila, Philippines

REUTENBERG, Darcy Hanz "Missionary"b: abt 1958 in Canada d: 26 Jun 2011 in Barangay Adlawon, Cebu City, Cebu,Philippines

ROBERTS, Paul Anthony b: abt 1949 in England d:28 Jun 2009 in Barangay Canigao, Kalibo, Aklan, Philippines

ROWE, COL James Nicholas b: 8 Feb 1938 inMcAllen, Hidalgo County, Texas d: 21 Apr 1989 in Quezon City, Metro Manila,Philippines

SABERO, Guillermo b: abt 1961 in of Corona,Riverside County, California d: abt 12 Jun 2001 in Basilan Island, Mindanao,Philippines

SCHOENI, Manfred b: abt 1944 in Switzerland d:2 May 2004 in villa La Dolce Vita, Mt. Luho, Balabag, Boracay Island, Aklan,Philippines

SELVARAJ, Palaniappen b: abt 1955 in Malaysiad: 18 Jun 2009 in Angeles City, Pampanga, Philippines

SHINDA, Surinder b: in Jalandhar, Punjab, Indiad: Jul 2006 in Manila, Philippines

SIEPKAMP, Hans van de b: 10 Feb 1952 inVoorburg, Leidschendam, Zuid-Holland, Netherlands d: 15 Dec 2011 in Sta. Maria1, Balibago, Angeles City,

Pampanga, Philippines

SINGH, Charmjewd b: in India d: 25 Nov 2010 inPresident Quirino, Sultan Kudarat, Mindanao, Philippines

SINGH, Gurmail b: abt 1969 in Kot-Bhaktu,Bathinda, Punjabi, India d: 22 Jan 2011 in Manila, Philippines

SINGH, Manjeat b: abt 1984 in India d: 15 Nov2011 in Agusan del Sur, Mindanao, Philippines

SINGH, Mohinder b: in India d: 25 Feb 2011 inManila, Philippines

SINGH, Pardeep b: abt 1985 in India d: 5 Mar2011 in Angono, Rizal, Philippines

SINGH, Raja b: abt 1974 in India d: 10 Aug 2011in Brgy. Lower Mohon, Talisay City, Cebu, Philippines

SINGH, Satinder b: abt 1984 in India d: 10 Jun2010 in Panabo, Davao del Norte, Mindanao, Philippines

SINGH, Sokhdib b: in India d: 5 Oct 2010 inBrgy. Lag-asan, Cadiz City, Negros Occidental, Philippines

SINGH, Sukhinder b: abt 1985 in India d: 15 Nov2011 in Agusan del Sur, Mindanao, Philippines

SMITH, Brian Thomas b: 20 Feb 1960 in Grinnell,Poweshiek County, Iowa d: 30 Jan 2002 in Mt. Pinatubo, Porac, Pampanga, Philippines

SO, Richard b: abt 1955 in Chinese d: 24 Sep2010 in Haven Hotel, Brgy. Pulung Maragul, Angeles City, Pampanga, Philippines

STEIN, Nils Aksnes Frodei b: abt 1958 in Norwayd: 20 Jul 2009 in Subd. Jugan, Consolacion town, Cebu, Philippines

SUBHASH, Chandre Bhati b: abt 1974 in India d: 7Dec 2011 in Purok 2, Brgy. Naggasican, Santiago City, Isabela, Philippines

SUNG, Jung-Hak b: abt 1982 in South Korea d: 7Aug 2010 in Brgy. Dau, Mabalacat, Pampanga, Philippines

TENTORIO, Fr. Fausto b: abt 1952 in Italy d: 17Oct 2011 in Arakan, North Cotabato, Mindanao, Philippines

THOMPSON, William b: in United States d: 26 Sep1989 in near Camp O'Donnell, Capas, Tarlac, Philippines

THORPE, Thomas Michael b: 26 Dec 1979 inCanandaigua, Ontario County, New York d: 13 Aug 2009 in Fields Ave., Balibago,Angeles City, Pampamga, Philippines

U.S. STATE DEPT FILE, Two Unnamed American(s)b: in U.S. Citizen d: 25 Mar 2010 in San Jose Del Monte, Bulacan, Philippines

US NAVY, Two "Sebees" b: in of UnitedStates d: 29 Sep 2009 in near Indanan, Sulu, Jolo Island, Philippines

VIKSTEN, Alfonso Meker b: abt 1947 in Swedend: 7 Jun 2008 in Sitio Catap, Brgy. Banlot, Sibonga, Cebu, Philippines

WANG, Guilin b: abt 1964 in Chinese National d:18 Dec 2001 in Nueva Ecija province, North Luzon, Philippines

WILLIAMS, Martin b: abt 1966 in of Liverpool,England d: 24 Mar 2009 in Boloc-boloc Spring, Brgy. Mansasa, Pangalo, Bohol,Philippines

WONG, Tze-Iam b: in of Hong Kong d: 23 Aug 2010in Quirino Grandstand, Manila, Philippines

YEUNG, Yee-kam b: in of Hong Kong d: 23 Aug2010 in Quirino Grandstand, Manila, Philippines

YEUNG, Yee-Wa b: in of Hong Kong d: 23 Aug 2010in Quirino Grandstand, Manila, Philippines

That 126 people I counted IN TEN YEARS FOR CRYING OUT LOUD!!!

Pick any SINGLE Western country and I guarantee you that there are HUNDREDS of their tourists murdered or dying unexplained deaths in JUST ONE YEAR in Thailand!

Let's take Australia for example,Thailand is the NUMBER ONE destination in the WORLD for their nationals to die while on holiday,these are FACTS not nonsense hearsay like half of this thread!

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Hawker, thanks for confirming my assumption. You dont have better data at hand. So why are other statements more laughable than you own? Yup nice try and even nicer score

Anyhow, I think we agree that the Phils are relatively more dangerous than Thailand while Thailand has more victims in absolute numbers.

His statements dovetail with my experiences. I live in Thailand and work in Manila.

Fort bonifacio is as safe and sterile as singapore, Forbes is hundred year old trees and mansions .

Head through the golf course to the outskirts of makati and things can get real pretty quick. Certain areas of metro Manila make klong toey look like a country club.

The Philippines has a far more extreme range of conditions from wealthy and very beautiful gated communities to the direst of slums often separated by a street or a 5 meter wall.

And yes violence against foreigners may well be higher - as you said the ratios are higher- the Phil's wins hands down in degree of violence against foreigners as well as but just plain violence against their own.

You live in Thailand but work in Manila?Can I ask what you do and what visa you have to duck in an out of Thailand so often,I've never heard of anyone doing this before?