SURVEY: Brexit, do you support it?

[rijit]

Yes

This seems to sum up perfectly the intellectual abilities of the average Brexiteer?

I think it's more to do with wanting our country back,in order that it will not go down the pan further with the EU.

Economically it makes sense for the UK to decide it's own policies, regarding should we continue to make a charitable contribution of approximately 63million £'s per day to the EU. Should the UK restrict it's chances of making independent trade deals with the rest of the world.

Should the UK continue to allow it's democratic parliament to be subservient to the unelected bureaucrats in Brussels.

I notice this week that the French trade minister has threatened the UK economy,that if we don't accept the present and Future arrangements with the EU, that they may start a trade war against us. I think the last Frenchman to make such a threat was Napoleon Bonaparte,and we know how that finished. Although to be fair to him I suspect that certain people on this thread are willing to adopt the French custom of carrying a white flag when they go to the polls.

Ha ha please tell me your joking and since you posted this you've actually read what economists, politicians are saying, it'll take generations if it ever does for our economy to re grow GENERATIONS WILL SUFFER and quite frankly Cameron is a tucking fwat to even put the opt out on the table. Im all for more polls aka Switzerland . But starting with this,, a tiny part of me is wishing us out just so that <deleted> goes down in history as the leader who took us out.

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[allanos]

In his haste to put forward some kind of riposte, the penultimate poster above clearly did

not understand the thrust of my comments; viz that Britain's political role in the EU in future

will be even more subservient to Brussels than it is at present. Britain will henceforth, and

continually, suck the hind tit!

One thing about the British people, historically-speaking, is that they like to be masters of

their own fate. It is almost genetically embedded.

Well . . . prepare for that DNA to unwind considerably in a future Europe.

I understand well the arguments for the trading benefits which Britain has gained in Europe.

No one says that the post-Europe road will be easy - Rome wasn't built in a day (no pun here).

The British Government would perhaps have to be the leader in creating a separate trade-bloc

altogether. There are many willing countries in the world today which would want entry into

that particular camp.

However, there are so many options, going forward, for the United Kingdom that the world is

its oyster, so-to-speak.

[cumgranosalum]

Yes

This seems to sum up perfectly the intellectual abilities of the average Brexiteer?

I think it's more to do with wanting our country back,in order that it will not go down the pan further with the EU.

Economically it makes sense for the UK to decide it's own policies, regarding should we continue to make a charitable contribution of approximately 63million £'s per day to the EU. Should the UK restrict it's chances of making independent trade deals with the rest of the world.

Should the UK continue to allow it's democratic parliament to be subservient to the unelected bureaucrats in Brussels.

I notice this week that the French trade minister has threatened the UK economy,that if we don't accept the present and Future arrangements with the EU, that they may start a trade war against us. I think the last Frenchman to make such a threat was Napoleon Bonaparte,and we know how that finished. Although to be fair to him I suspect that certain people on this thread are willing to adopt the French custom of carrying a white flag when they go to the polls.

Ha ha please tell me your joking and since you posted this you've actually read what economists, politicians are saying, it'll take generations if it ever does for our economy to re grow GENERATIONS WILL SUFFER and quite frankly Cameron is a tucking fwat to even put the opt out on the table. Im all for more polls aka Switzerland . But starting with this,, a tiny part of me is wishing us out just so that <deleted> goes down in history as the leader who took us out.

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Nontaburi appears to subscribe to the school of thought that if someone - preferably a foreigner - points out the problems associated with leaving the EU it is a "threat".

[cumgranosalum]

In his haste to put forward some kind of riposte, the penultimate poster above clearly did

not understand the thrust of my comments; viz that Britain's political role in the EU in future

will be even more subservient to Brussels than it is at present. Britain will henceforth, and

continually, suck the hind tit!

One thing about the British people, historically-speaking, is that they like to be masters of

their own fate. It is almost genetically embedded.

Well . . . prepare for that DNA to unwind considerably in a future Europe.

I understand well the arguments for the trading benefits which Britain has gained in Europe.

No one says that the post-Europe road will be easy - Rome wasn't built in a day (no pun here).

The British Government would perhaps have to be the leader in creating a separate trade-bloc

altogether. There are many willing countries in the world today which would want entry into

that particular camp.

However, there are so many options, going forward, for the United Kingdom that the world is

its oyster, so-to-speak.

Interedting and emotive turns of phrase, but doesn't convey any grasp of the reality to me.....be careful of oysters, they can make you very sick....

[Grouse]

Personally, I have my feet firmly planted in the "BREXIT" camp as opposed to being with the "BREMAIN"

brigade.

Why?

Because I think that although trade relationships are pretty strongly entrenched, and which in any

case was the original raison d'etre for the EC, politically-speaking there is potentially more doubt and

uncertainty going forward, than ever before. THAT is the unknown quantity, and it is indeed to be

feared, as, despite Cameron's insistances, the United Kingdom's sovereignty will be more and more

suborned to that of Europe's. What then, as the die will have been well and truly cast?

One simply doesn't know what this beast will look like in decades ahead, and the United Kingdom's minor

political role, which will diminish even more with the accession of Turkey and perhaps other nations as time

goes on, will just be a footnote in history, as the saying goes.

There is more certainty for the British in understanding and accommodating how their country is, and

has been, governed, than the future imponderables as to how the mandarins of Brussels, and the

suasion of the bigger voices like Germany and France, will steer the European Union going forward.

And Britain will be utterly powerless to change it, even if it wanted to.

Voting for BREXIT is a historic, and possibly unlikely-to-be-repeated opportunity, for the United

Kingdom to get out of this "club". Rather than the future being uncertain outside of Europe, it will have,

in my opinion, more certainty being and outside player and observer.

Turkey will never be in EU

Current situation is a matter of expediency

[chiang mai]

The dialogue is getting old, the issue is a forgone conclusion, time to move on to the future rather than dwell on what might have been.

[billd766]

I'm tired of the debate. Give it a try. If it doesn't work, go back in again.

Don't be silly

I'm perfectly serious. Britain should opt out for a declared trial period and rejoin if necessary with conditions if it doesn't work out.

If people detect sufficient ill effects of leaving, then they will quickly swallow their pride and clamour to be back in. A change of government in future could take Britain back in, no trouble. Europe would of course welcome Britain back because it would be a moral victory for them and be some kind of proof their system has merit.

Until there is a true before and after comparision, who knows whether Europe is best?

I believe the real nature of the referendum is that it isn't binding...so there may well be some fudging after in the case of an "out" vote. They have 2 years to negotiate the exit and then have to renegotiate 40 years of trade deals we did with the EU. This may prove impossible. It is like that Boris will be PM and the amount of spin the tories will have to put on things will probably cost them an election - vote of confidence and the subsequent government - a labour or MoR coalition be claim a mandate to stop the exit.

Whatever happens the next fews years after an out vote will be a time when no party wants to be in government - Labour would be enacting something they have campaigned against, the Tories will be split.

the key to it all will be spin by the "out" brigade trying to suggest that the mess wasn't their fault.

IMHO the only way That Cameron can win is by a Breamain.

If the Brexit wins the referendum then he loses and brave face or not he HAS to accept the result in exactly the same way if Bremain win.

If the Brexit vote is in favour then the people of the UK simply will not accept it if the EU demand another vote to change the result.

[cumgranosalum]

Which are you? judging by the replies, i'd say te answer is pretty obvious...

Our analysis of around 30,000 Britons reveals that, broadly, those who would vote to leave the EU tend to have left school before their 17th birthday, to have few or no advanced academic qualifications, to be over 55 years old, and to work in less secure, lower-income jobs. In contrast, those who want Britain to remain a member of the EU tend to be younger, to be more highly educated, and to have more financially secure and professional jobs. - See more at: https://www.chathamhouse.org/publication/britain-european-union-referendum-what-drives-euroscepticism?gclid=CjwKEAjwuuy4BRCvs43g9fX9mz4SJACiYydPuN3532Y5n991tUDVfz-RCHjtncR4heHZqsONEFpfYxoCLyfw_wcB#sthash.l7KjWJZ2.dpuf

[cumgranosalum]

I'm perfectly serious. Britain should opt out for a declared trial period and rejoin if necessary with conditions if it doesn't work out.

If people detect sufficient ill effects of leaving, then they will quickly swallow their pride and clamour to be back in. A change of government in future could take Britain back in, no trouble. Europe would of course welcome Britain back because it would be a moral victory for them and be some kind of proof their system has merit.

Until there is a true before and after comparision, who knows whether Europe is best?

I believe the real nature of the referendum is that it isn't binding...so there may well be some fudging after in the case of an "out" vote. They have 2 years to negotiate the exit and then have to renegotiate 40 years of trade deals we did with the EU. This may prove impossible. It is like that Boris will be PM and the amount of spin the tories will have to put on things will probably cost them an election - vote of confidence and the subsequent government - a labour or MoR coalition be claim a mandate to stop the exit.

Whatever happens the next fews years after an out vote will be a time when no party wants to be in government - Labour would be enacting something they have campaigned against, the Tories will be split.

the key to it all will be spin by the "out" brigade trying to suggest that the mess wasn't their fault.

IMHO the only way That Cameron can win is by a Breamain.

If the Brexit wins the referendum then he loses and brave face or not he HAS to accept the result in exactly the same way if Bremain win.

If the Brexit vote is in favour then the people of the UK simply will not accept it if the EU demand another vote to change the result.

if Brexit wins - Cameron resigns - end of.

as I said i'm not sure how binding the referendum actually is and there may be a camp[aign to annul the results or a referendum ostensibly on a different issue...eg. not negotiate and exit.

[chiang mai]

"Our analysis of around 30,000 Britons reveals that, broadly, those who would vote to leave the EU tend to have left school before their 17th birthday, to have few or no advanced academic qualifications, to be over 55 years old, and to work in less secure, lower-income jobs".

Add: reads the Sun; thinks GBP/THB will go back to 65; convinced they have paid their dues re:NHS and free treatment is their right.

[cumgranosalum]

The dialogue is getting old, the issue is a forgone conclusion, time to move on to the future rather than dwell on what might have been.

forgone conclusion - well this would be the opinion of someone with little or no understanding of te situation past or present....

http://www.economist.com/blogs/graphicdetail/2016/04/daily-chart-11

http://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2016-04-21/probability-of-brexit-drops-to-20-as-polls-move-against-leave

Edited April 23, 2016 by cumgranosalum

[slipperylobster]

As long as Obama lets you guys do it...then go ahead

[cumgranosalum]

As long as Obama lets you guys do it...then go ahead

Yes - until now, this discussion has lacked a full-blown conspiracy theorist!

[chiang mai]

The dialogue is getting old, the issue is a forgone conclusion, time to move on to the future rather than dwell on what might have been.

forgone conclusion - well this would be the opinion of someone with little or no understanding of te situation past or present....

http://www.economist.com/blogs/graphicdetail/2016/04/daily-chart-11

http://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2016-04-21/probability-of-brexit-drops-to-20-as-polls-move-against-leave

The markets say we wont leave, everyone of any standing in the world is saying we shouldn't leave, the poll of polls says we wont leave, nobody has put forward a sensible logic and structured argument why we should leave, your link shows that only old people want us to leave and nostalgic expats on TVF are the worst of these - ergo, we wont leave, move on.

[cumgranosalum]

The dialogue is getting old, the issue is a forgone conclusion, time to move on to the future rather than dwell on what might have been.

forgone conclusion - well this would be the opinion of someone with little or no understanding of te situation past or present....

http://www.economist.com/blogs/graphicdetail/2016/04/daily-chart-11

http://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2016-04-21/probability-of-brexit-drops-to-20-as-polls-move-against-leave

The markets say we wont leave, everyone of any standing in the world is saying we shouldn't leave, the poll of polls says we wont leave, nobody has put forward a sensible logic and structured argument why we should leave, your link shows that only old people want us to leave and nostalgic expats on TVF are the worst of these - ergo, we wont leave, move on.

Whilst I agree with a lot of what you say, you haven't factored in STUPID and the actual polls which show a dangerously close result. We know polls however techno-savy or scientific can get it VERY wrong, so there is NO WAY you can say it is a forgone conclusion - never underestimate stoopid!

[chiang mai]

It doesn't matter whether it's "Nissen" (Road Safety Signs) or "Stoopid" pollls, the jury is in, get over it and take up a hobby, consider fly fishing perhaps..

[cumgranosalum]

It doesn't matter whether it's "Nissen" (Road Safety Signs) or "Stoopid" pollls, the jury is in, get over it and take up a hobby, consider fly fishing perhaps..

this reply appears to be gibberish - can you repost something comprehensible?

[chiang mai]

It doesn't matter whether it's "Nissen" (Road Safety Signs) or "Stoopid" pollls, the jury is in, get over it and take up a hobby, consider fly fishing perhaps..

this reply appears to be gibberish - can you repost something comprehensible?

Posts 286 and 287, if read, add clarity!

[cumgranosalum]

Personally, I have my feet firmly planted in the "BREXIT" camp as opposed to being with the "BREMAIN"

brigade.

Why?

Because I think that although trade relationships are pretty strongly entrenched, and which in any

case was the original raison d'etre for the EC, politically-speaking there is potentially more doubt and

uncertainty going forward, than ever before. THAT is the unknown quantity, and it is indeed to be

feared, as, despite Cameron's insistances, the United Kingdom's sovereignty will be more and more

suborned to that of Europe's. What then, as the die will have been well and truly cast?

One simply doesn't know what this beast will look like in decades ahead, and the United Kingdom's minor

political role, which will diminish even more with the accession of Turkey and perhaps other nations as time

goes on, will just be a footnote in history, as the saying goes.

There is more certainty for the British in understanding and accommodating how their country is, and

has been, governed, than the future imponderables as to how the mandarins of Brussels, and the

suasion of the bigger voices like Germany and France, will steer the European Union going forward.

And Britain will be utterly powerless to change it, even if it wanted to.

Voting for BREXIT is a historic, and possibly unlikely-to-be-repeated opportunity, for the United

Kingdom to get out of this "club". Rather than the future being uncertain outside of Europe, it will have,

in my opinion, more certainty being and outside player and observer.

"THAT is the unknown quantity," - I'd say the EU is pretty predictable and "out" will be unpredictable - e.g. the motor industry.

UK motor industry has a huge section building cars for Europe - the Japanese are there because it allows them a foothold in the EU - without the trade agreement it will be easy for them to switch production to other plants in Europe now - so I fail to see how they can remain in UK - and that will include all the associated industries too.

The lack of exports to Europe will require the renegotiation of hundreds of complex trade agreements that UK was party to as an EU member - I can't see how the UK will avoid a massive rise in unemployment until this is sorted in 4,5, 10 years time, by which time the UK's key advantage will have to be cheap labour rates - easy enough to achieve in years to come with high unemployment and the end of free movement of labour for EU citizens around the EU.

again the above poster seems to have the inate fear or Germany......the UK economy is firstly set to overtake Germany's by 2020, and Germany at present are on OUR SIDE - WW2 is OVER! - but out of the EU they will NOT be on our side and will even be antagonistic.

te treaty of Rome was established precisely to eliminate over aggressive competitiveness and leaving the party will do nothing to avoid that.

Was'nt it Nissen that came out a few months ago,stating a Britexit will make no difference to it's intention to continuing producing cars in the Northeast.

Now why are they unconcerned,yet you're sh-ting your pants at the prospect?

Nissan owned by Renault - "Nissan has waded into the debate on a possible UK exit from the European Union, saying that remaining in the EU “makes the most sense for jobs, trade and costs”. FT

- if they can't sell their cars they won't keep making them.

[SgtRock]

Personally, I have my feet firmly planted in the "BREXIT" camp as opposed to being with the "BREMAIN"

brigade.

Why?

Because I think that although trade relationships are pretty strongly entrenched, and which in any

case was the original raison d'etre for the EC, politically-speaking there is potentially more doubt and

uncertainty going forward, than ever before. THAT is the unknown quantity, and it is indeed to be

feared, as, despite Cameron's insistances, the United Kingdom's sovereignty will be more and more

suborned to that of Europe's. What then, as the die will have been well and truly cast?

One simply doesn't know what this beast will look like in decades ahead, and the United Kingdom's minor

political role, which will diminish even more with the accession of Turkey and perhaps other nations as time

goes on, will just be a footnote in history, as the saying goes.

There is more certainty for the British in understanding and accommodating how their country is, and

has been, governed, than the future imponderables as to how the mandarins of Brussels, and the

suasion of the bigger voices like Germany and France, will steer the European Union going forward.

And Britain will be utterly powerless to change it, even if it wanted to.

Voting for BREXIT is a historic, and possibly unlikely-to-be-repeated opportunity, for the United

Kingdom to get out of this "club". Rather than the future being uncertain outside of Europe, it will have,

in my opinion, more certainty being and outside player and observer.

"THAT is the unknown quantity," - I'd say the EU is pretty predictable and "out" will be unpredictable - e.g. the motor industry.

UK motor industry has a huge section building cars for Europe - the Japanese are there because it allows them a foothold in the EU - without the trade agreement it will be easy for them to switch production to other plants in Europe now - so I fail to see how they can remain in UK - and that will include all the associated industries too.

The lack of exports to Europe will require the renegotiation of hundreds of complex trade agreements that UK was party to as an EU member - I can't see how the UK will avoid a massive rise in unemployment until this is sorted in 4,5, 10 years time, by which time the UK's key advantage will have to be cheap labour rates - easy enough to achieve in years to come with high unemployment and the end of free movement of labour for EU citizens around the EU.

again the above poster seems to have the inate fear or Germany......the UK economy is firstly set to overtake Germany's by 2020, and Germany at present are on OUR SIDE - WW2 is OVER! - but out of the EU they will NOT be on our side and will even be antagonistic.

te treaty of Rome was established precisely to eliminate over aggressive competitiveness and leaving the party will do nothing to avoid that.

Was'nt it Nissen that came out a few months ago,stating a Britexit will make no difference to it's intention to continuing producing cars in the Northeast.

Now why are they unconcerned,yet you're sh-ting your pants at the prospect?

Nissan owned by Renault - "Nissan has waded into the debate on a possible UK exit from the European Union, saying that remaining in the EU “makes the most sense for jobs, trade and costs”. FT

- if they can't sell their cars they won't keep making them.

As n individual. You have constantly posted that those who are for Brexit are of low education and all sorts of other offensive insinuations.

And then you post the above.

Renault own Nissan do they ?

Less flapping your gums and a bit more education needed. DUNCE.

[chiang mai]

Nissen is a safety sign maker, Nissan is a Japanese car company.

Nissan is part of an alliance and effectively owned by Renault.

"The Renault-Nissan Alliance has evolved over years to Renault holding 43.4% of Nissan shares, while Nissan holds 15% of Renault shares".

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nissan

Edited April 23, 2016 by chiang mai

[SgtRock]

Nissen is a safety sign maker, Nissan is a Japanese car company.

Nissan is part of an alliance and effectively owned by Renault.

"The Renault-Nissan Alliance has evolved over years to Renault holding 43.4% of Nissan shares, while Nissan holds 15% of Renault shares".

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nissan

43% of shares does not make Renault the effective owners of Nissan.

[allanos]

Renault would need 50.1% of Nissan shares to be a controlling shareholder.

At the moment Renault is a minority shareholder in Nissan, AND DOES NOT OWN IT.

In turn, there are certain cross-holdings, between Nissan, Renault and Daimler AG.

[nontabury]

The dialogue is getting old, the issue is a forgone conclusion, time to move on to the future rather than dwell on what might have been.

forgone conclusion - well this would be the opinion of someone with little or no understanding of te situation past or present....

http://www.economist.com/blogs/graphicdetail/2016/04/daily-chart-11

http://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2016-04-21/probability-of-brexit-drops-to-20-as-polls-move-against-leave

The markets say we wont leave, everyone of any standing in the world is saying we shouldn't leave, the poll of polls says we wont leave, nobody has put forward a sensible logic and structured argument why we should leave, your link shows that only old people want us to leave and nostalgic expats on TVF are the worst of these - ergo, we wont leave, move on.

The list of business leaders who are recommending that we leave this corrupt so called Union is endless. Two that come to mind are the former Chief executive of HSBC Michael Geoghegan and John Longworth who recently resigned his role as Director General of the British Chamber of Commerce in order to lead the "Vote Leave" group.

Longworth has said that "If we vote leave,liberated from the shackles of EU membership,jobs will be safer,Britain will be able to spend OUR money on our priorities and we can look forward to faster growth and greater prosperity in the Future"

Edited April 23, 2016 by nontabury

[Andaman Al]

It makes me laugh too much that some on here who pi**ed it up against the wall while they went to University think that anyone who has not been to Uni is uneducated. Do Thai students who go to Uni turn out educated? Do those in the USA that go to Uni yet still believe in creationism turn out educated?

I left school at 16, at 22 was a fighter pilot in the airforce, flew as a professional military pilot until 38, started three businesses, one training pilots, two selling aircraft, I can currently debate with any other person on the planet concerning quantum entanglement, have just been 'invited' and accepted for separate private meetings in the last week with the PM, Dep PM, Def Min and Dep Def Min in a local country to here and got bored after a while transferring more than 150k USD per month to myself as a token salary. All without a degree!! What a waste of a life and an uneducated person I am. Guess I have no right to comment on Brexit, I am not clever enough. Glad we have so many educated people on here that can tell non degree holders they are not smart enough to make the right decision. Guess I need to spend more time trying to improve myself and figuring out how to spend 150k USD a month from my stupid uneducated upbringing and career.

Edited April 23, 2016 by Andaman Al

[Scotwight]

It makes me laugh too much that some on here who pi**ed it up against the wall while they went to University think that anyone who has not been to Uni is uneducated. Do Thai students who go to Uni turn out educated? Do those in the USA that go to Uni yet still believe in creationism turn out educated?

I left school at 16, at 22 was a fighter pilot in the airforce, flew as a professional military pilot until 38, started three businesses, one training pilots, two selling aircraft, I can currently debate with any other person on the planet concerning quantum entanglement, have just been 'invited' and accepted for separate private meetings in the last week with the PM, Dep PM, Def Min and Dep Def Min in a local country to here and got bored after a while transferring more than 150k USD per month to myself as a token salary. All without a degree!! What a waste of a life and an uneducated person I am. Guess I have no right to comment on Brexit, I am not clever enough. Glad we have so many educated people on here that can tell non degree holders they are not smart enough to make the right decision. Guess I need to spend more time trying to improve myself and figuring out how to spend 150k USD a month from my stupid uneducated upbringing and career.

Minimum qualifications to be a fighter pilot in the US Air force is a Bachelor's degree.

https://www.airforce.com/careers/detail/pilot

Edited April 23, 2016 by Scotwight

[Andaman Al]

It makes me laugh too much that some on here who pi**ed it up against the wall while they went to University think that anyone who has not been to Uni is uneducated. Do Thai students who go to Uni turn out educated? Do those in the USA that go to Uni yet still believe in creationism turn out educated?

I left school at 16, at 22 was a fighter pilot in the airforce, flew as a professional military pilot until 38, started three businesses, one training pilots, two selling aircraft, I can currently debate with any other person on the planet concerning quantum entanglement, have just been 'invited' and accepted for separate private meetings in the last week with the PM, Dep PM, Def Min and Dep Def Min in a local country to here and got bored after a while transferring more than 150k USD per month to myself as a token salary. All without a degree!! What a waste of a life and an uneducated person I am. Guess I have no right to comment on Brexit, I am not clever enough. Glad we have so many educated people on here that can tell non degree holders they are not smart enough to make the right decision. Guess I need to spend more time trying to improve myself and figuring out how to spend 150k USD a month from my stupid uneducated upbringing and career.

Minimum qualifications to be a fighter pilot in the US Air force is a Bachelor's degree.

https://www.airforce.com/careers/detail/pilot

In 1980 minimum qualifications to be a fighter pilot in the British Air Force were 5 GCE 'O' Levels. Kind of figures how much your bachelors degree was worth. Where did I say I was US? Are you trying to call me on this one?

[cumgranosalum]

It makes me laugh too much that some on here who pi**ed it up against the wall while they went to University think that anyone who has not been to Uni is uneducated. Do Thai students who go to Uni turn out educated? Do those in the USA that go to Uni yet still believe in creationism turn out educated?

I left school at 16, at 22 was a fighter pilot in the airforce, flew as a professional military pilot until 38, started three businesses, one training pilots, two selling aircraft, I can currently debate with any other person on the planet concerning quantum entanglement, have just been 'invited' and accepted for separate private meetings in the last week with the PM, Dep PM, Def Min and Dep Def Min in a local country to here and got bored after a while transferring more than 150k USD per month to myself as a token salary. All without a degree!! What a waste of a life and an uneducated person I am. Guess I have no right to comment on Brexit, I am not clever enough. Glad we have so many educated people on here that can tell non degree holders they are not smart enough to make the right decision. Guess I need to spend more time trying to improve myself and figuring out how to spend 150k USD a month from my stupid uneducated upbringing and career.

Minimum qualifications to be a fighter pilot in the US Air force is a Bachelor's degree.

https://www.airforce.com/careers/detail/pilot

it is unfortunately a hallmark of those who didn't go to university they they don't actually appreciate what educated means. They frequently confuse training with education.

A degree is by no means guarantee against stupidity, and many without a University eduction learn in other ways....but those who haven't clearly show their lack of understanding by proclaiming irrelevancies such as income or training which they naively mistake for criteria of success.

However the one thing that really sticks out amongst those who went to the "University of Life" or "school of Hard Knocks" is that they are pretty much completely unaware of and unversed in the techniques of critical thinking. This is something that you are unlikely to pick up outside a tertiary educational establishment.

QED above.

Edited April 23, 2016 by cumgranosalum

[Andaman Al]

It makes me laugh too much that some on here who pi**ed it up against the wall while they went to University think that anyone who has not been to Uni is uneducated. Do Thai students who go to Uni turn out educated? Do those in the USA that go to Uni yet still believe in creationism turn out educated?

I left school at 16, at 22 was a fighter pilot in the airforce, flew as a professional military pilot until 38, started three businesses, one training pilots, two selling aircraft, I can currently debate with any other person on the planet concerning quantum entanglement, have just been 'invited' and accepted for separate private meetings in the last week with the PM, Dep PM, Def Min and Dep Def Min in a local country to here and got bored after a while transferring more than 150k USD per month to myself as a token salary. All without a degree!! What a waste of a life and an uneducated person I am. Guess I have no right to comment on Brexit, I am not clever enough. Glad we have so many educated people on here that can tell non degree holders they are not smart enough to make the right decision. Guess I need to spend more time trying to improve myself and figuring out how to spend 150k USD a month from my stupid uneducated upbringing and career.

Minimum qualifications to be a fighter pilot in the US Air force is a Bachelor's degree.

https://www.airforce.com/careers/detail/pilot

it is unfortunately a hallmark of those who didn't go to university they they don't actually appreciate what educated means. They frequently confuse training with education.

A degree is by no means guarantee against stupidity, and many without a University eduction learn in other ways....but those who haven't clearly show their lack of understanding by proclaiming irrelevancies such as income or training which they naively mistake for criteria of success.

However the one thing that really sticks out amongst those who went to the "University of Life" or "school of Hard Knocks" is that they are pretty much completely unaware of and unversed in the techniques of critical thinking. This is something that you are unlikely to pick up outside a tertiary educational establishment.

What a pretentious p****. Is that critical thinking enough for you. You display the most classic traits of an uneducated person that thinks they are educated. I need to leave, I want to throw up.

Edited April 23, 2016 by Andaman Al

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It makes me laugh too much that some on here who pi**ed it up against the wall while they went to University think that anyone who has not been to Uni is uneducated. Do Thai students who go to Uni turn out educated? Do those in the USA that go to Uni yet still believe in creationism turn out educated?

I left school at 16, at 22 was a fighter pilot in the airforce, flew as a professional military pilot until 38, started three businesses, one training pilots, two selling aircraft, I can currently debate with any other person on the planet concerning quantum entanglement, have just been 'invited' and accepted for separate private meetings in the last week with the PM, Dep PM, Def Min and Dep Def Min in a local country to here and got bored after a while transferring more than 150k USD per month to myself as a token salary. All without a degree!! What a waste of a life and an uneducated person I am. Guess I have no right to comment on Brexit, I am not clever enough. Glad we have so many educated people on here that can tell non degree holders they are not smart enough to make the right decision. Guess I need to spend more time trying to improve myself and figuring out how to spend 150k USD a month from my stupid uneducated upbringing and career.

Minimum qualifications to be a fighter pilot in the US Air force is a Bachelor's degree.

https://www.airforce.com/careers/detail/pilot

In 1980 minimum qualifications to be a fighter pilot in the British Air Force were 5 GCE 'O' Levels. Kind of figures how much your bachelors degree was worth. Where did I say I was US? Are you trying to call me on this one?

You've got to excuse him Al, he's still stuck in the British class system,probably expects none University people to touch their forlock when in his presence.