New Brexit polls suggest shift in favour of leaving the EU

[Cook my sock]

Short memories..

Brexit looks like a good idea until our heavily taxed manufacturing is further taxed on eu exports. Is Boris going to give a tax rebate to all the Japanese car manufacturers with uk factories who produce cars for Europe? 10-15%?

Edited June 2, 2016 by Cook my sock

[Donutz]

Merkel and Junker socialists or left winged? By those accounts Hitler would be a moderate centrist... 5555.

The EU Parlement needs an overhaul, that's for sure. The current system, though not a complete disaster. Member states can easily block or stay out of various agreements, directives etc. Blaiming Brussels is usually a cheap excuse from whichever party/coalition runs the national government at the time. Seen it too many times in the Netherlands: the cabinet announces some new laws, the public is upset, The Hague blames Brussels. And who agreed on these new rules from Brussels? Either the cabinet itself (councel of Europa, where all memberstates have a seat) or the very same parties that make up the coalition in The Hague voting in favour when whatever directive came to a vote in the EU Parlaiment.

Compared to Germany, the Netherlands and most north-west member states (more or less any of the early members) the UK isn't that bad off at all. But with the fast expantion of the EU over the last decade or so the EU does seem overstretched. It went too fast. The idea of a united Europe, free trade and travel etc is excellent. But in order to achieve this member states must grow towards eachother, and poorer or less modern members need help from the more developed members. With the rate the EU expanded (too) much assistence is needed for the new members. They should have grown at a slower pase.

We do need to see an overhaul in Brussels. I, as a Dutchy, don't want to be limited to just voting for Dutch EU parties, why can't I vote for say the German/Italian *name a party here*?

Having said that, it would be a shame if the UK left, not sure what it hopes to gain. It would need to sign agreements, directives etc. with the EU members to ensure free trade, easy movement of citizens and such. Those things are not a one way street, you can't allow UK citizens to move and work freely in the EU but not allow it the other way around. But I doubt you'd want to end up like Switserland! Those crazies have signed up for all sorts of agreements regarding freedom of movement, trade, work and many other things but with 0 democratic input in Brussels. That's worse then the not-so-well working system that the UK and other members have.

But if the UK leaves, up to them, if they think they can make a better deal without any illusion of pulling of one way streets, good on them.

Edit: I think if the UK really would like to benefit and gain a lot, it would be a new EU: uniting with the western/founding nations in a union of it's own and the newest member states in an other. The UK would be together with the rich and well off member states like Germany, NL etc. But this scenario won't happen either unless the EU would fail and rebuild from it's ashes. You'd have a north-west union and a south-east union. Seperated for atleast 50 years, the east could catch up, and become stable and developed enough to start integrating into a cobined union after this point. But since we are stuck with the current union, I think the best way to change it is from within.

Edited June 2, 2016 by Donutz

[Thaiwine]

Short memories..

Brexit looks like a good idea until our heavily taxed manufacturing is further taxed on eu exports. Is Boris going to give a tax rebate to all the Japanese car manufacturers with uk factories who produce cars for Europe? 10-15%?

They tax our exports we tax their imports, a balance can be found by sensible people,

[Cook my sock]

Short memories..

Brexit looks like a good idea until our heavily taxed manufacturing is further taxed on eu exports. Is Boris going to give a tax rebate to all the Japanese car manufacturers with uk factories who produce cars for Europe? 10-15%?

They tax our exports we tax their imports, a balance can be found by sensible people,

so we pay more for their stuff and can't sell ours. Great plan

[Thaiwine]

Short memories..

Brexit looks like a good idea until our heavily taxed manufacturing is further taxed on eu exports. Is Boris going to give a tax rebate to all the Japanese car manufacturers with uk factories who produce cars for Europe? 10-15%?

They tax our exports we tax their imports, a balance can be found by sensible people,

so we pay more for their stuff and can't sell ours. Great plan

It's called negotiation, you get a balance, at the min we import more from the EU than we export to the EU, and we can trade with other countries too,

[arjunadawn]

The corrupt anti-democratic EU will not let the UK leave. If UK were allowed to leave it would be the start of the end of the EU.

Brussels control our Politicians, media, Academic system and voting (Just look at what happened in France and Austria).

To many on the EU gravy train.

...and so we begin to see the coercive, strong arm nature of the EU. Current EU and it's sycophants' behavior is a harbinger of UKs future. EU/Merkel/Facebook have met and agreed to coordinate censorship by proxy, recently Google Microsoft and FB decided to expand the meaning of "hate speech" and censor users IAW their political views, and now EU proposing ID to use the Internet. EU citizens are already- now- penalized for protesting their rape and dissolution. It's coup by coercion.

All agenda. All socialist/progressive. All merging the state with a hybrid private leviathan. All using terrorism as pretext to cast a wide net to stifle opposing views. Watch.

[ozyjon]

The problem with any decision is trying to get a balanced view

of the facts, i read, i watch the news, i follow various newspapers

and it's so hard to figure things out because to put it frankly, they

lie, i'm on the road a lot and i watch BBC and CNN and recently

i read an article about how much airtime BBC was allocating to

Mr Trump then Clinton with virtually none to Bernie Sanders, why

do they do this, in my book it's not fair, the media, brexit, play the

same scare tactics game and (some) people believe the trash.

[nausea]

So many experts. The truth is either way is a leap in the dark. My own opinion - I don't go with the Conspiracy Theory, I just see a lot of first class, second rate, men (and women) bumbling about. I elect/pay professionals to sort out these problems, not bumbling, gifted, amateurs. Amateurs, by the way, don't get paid a bloody fortune for f--- ing things up, they do it Ex Gratuite. Then they come back to me and ask me my opinion? What a cheek! Like, I have the time, or the training, or the knowledge, to sort out this problem for them. I am basically very peed off I even have to face this question. Anyway, it's all very ill-timed and opportunistic, neither side has a clear view of where they want to go, all acting in a reactive manner to events as they unfold. I just hope I live another 10 years, to see how it all turns out. And that's the minimum time-frame you're looking at. At the end of the day, I suppose people will just vote for what they think is good for them in the short term. That's why we have politicians - strategic thinkers (555).

[katana]

Current betting odds from the various bookmakers. Where money's involved, it tends to sharpen the mind and they don't usually get it wrong, unfortunately.

http://www.oddschecker.com/politics/british-politics/eu-referendum/referendum-on-eu-membership-result

Edited June 2, 2016 by katana

[johnatong]

Take note !

Whatever the "polls" predict the opposite will be the outcome !

Never trust a poll !

[NeverSure]

[alanrchase]

Can some of the "Leave" posters remind me how well the UK was doing before we entered the EU? I faintly recall we were in rather deep do do and we're saved by North Sea oil.

[jaidam]

Can some of the "Leave" posters remind me how well the UK was doing before we entered the EU? I faintly recall we were in rather deep do do and we're saved by North Sea oil.

it is your right to dwell on 40 years past history. Not much shock value there mind. Tell me, how do you feel about FGM in regards to your future female descendants in England? That is the future of Europe. Female genital mutilation is progressive, rapidly growing in popularity, and unless people wake up, it will be the nu cultural norm in what we once knew as the UK. Sorry, what were you saying about oil and gas in the 70s?

[alanrchase]

Can some of the "Leave" posters remind me how well the UK was doing before we entered the EU? I faintly recall we were in rather deep do do and we're saved by North Sea oil.

it is your right to dwell on 40 years past history. Not much shock value there mind. Tell me, how do you feel about FGM in regards to your future female descendants in England? That is the future of Europe. Female genital mutilation is progressive, rapidly growing in popularity, and unless people wake up, it will be the nu cultural norm in what we once knew as the UK. Sorry, what were you saying about oil and gas in the 70s?

I was not dwelling on 40 years past history, just asking a question.

[NCFC]

Can some of the "Leave" posters remind me how well the UK was doing before we entered the EU? I faintly recall we were in rather deep do do and we're saved by North Sea oil.

We were saved by Margaret Thatcher

[chiang mai]

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Hilarious, coming from an American who doesn't even live in Thailand let alone the UK!

[Cook my sock]

Genital mutilation is spreading across the EU, that's why we must vote to leave.. Seriously?

[chiang mai]

What will happen to all the workers from the rest of the EU who are there now?

Poster Kingalfred guarantees us they will be allowed to remain:

http://www.thaivisa.com/forum/topic/910624-survey-brexit-do-you-support-it/page-69#entry10812442

Haha. Such an authoritative figure.

What do you suppose?

I suppose that visa's/work permits will, for the most part, be allowed to expire and not renewed unless stricter criteria is met, we should also expect some pockets where permits will be cancelled en masse on both sides just as a show of force and commitment to the concept. What the end game picture might look like in say three or five years is hard to tell although a serious reduction in numbers on both sides would not surprise, specialist skills will however continue to be an area for exceptions.

Edited June 2, 2016 by chiang mai

[chiang mai]

As far as I can see the following is a largely unbiased evaluation of what the impact might be on trade in a post Brexit world, quite interesting I think:

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/business/news/will-brexit-damage-trade-eu-referendum-vote-leave-a7062201.html

[brewsterbudgen]

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Hilarious, coming from an American who doesn't even live in Thailand let alone the UK!

Hilarious, but typical inflammatory nonsense from the xenophobic Brexit brigade.

[chiang mai]

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Hilarious, coming from an American who doesn't even live in Thailand let alone the UK!

Hilarious, but typical inflammatory nonsense from the xenophobic Brexit brigade.

I beg to differ, how can a foreign citizen, an American no less, possibly be a Brexiteer, more like an unconnected uninformed observer, a wannabe Brexiteer perhaps.

[Jip99]

As far as I can see the following is a largely unbiased evaluation of what the impact might be on trade in a post Brexit world, quite interesting I think:

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/business/news/will-brexit-damage-trade-eu-referendum-vote-leave-a7062201.html

A well-balanced article, thanks.

[sandyf]

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Hilarious, coming from an American who doesn't even live in Thailand let alone the UK!

Hilarious, but typical inflammatory nonsense from the xenophobic Brexit brigade.

I beg to differ, how can a foreign citizen, an American no less, possibly be a Brexiteer, more like an unconnected uninformed observer, a wannabe Brexiteer perhaps.

This American was talking to the American public, not the British public. The outcome has global implications but according to the Brexit camp it is none of their business.

"The Fed may need to defer a rate hike until after its June meeting, Kaplan suggested at an event at Boston College, because Britain's vote on whether to leave the European Union, taking place a week after the Fed meets, has the potential to spark a currency selloff and other unanticipated consequences."

http://uk.reuters.com/article/us-usa-fed-kaplan-rates-idUSKCN0YO2BH

[chiang mai]

I beg to differ, how can a foreign citizen, an American no less, possibly be a Brexiteer, more like an unconnected uninformed observer, a wannabe Brexiteer perhaps.

This American was talking to the American public, not the British public. The outcome has global implications but according to the Brexit camp it is none of their business.

"The Fed may need to defer a rate hike until after its June meeting, Kaplan suggested at an event at Boston College, because Britain's vote on whether to leave the European Union, taking place a week after the Fed meets, has the potential to spark a currency selloff and other unanticipated consequences."

http://uk.reuters.com/article/us-usa-fed-kaplan-rates-idUSKCN0YO2BH

Poster Neversure was talking to us, not to the American public!

I agree however there is a potential global impact as a result of Brexit which makes his view that we should leave even more peculiar.

[sandyf]

I beg to differ, how can a foreign citizen, an American no less, possibly be a Brexiteer, more like an unconnected uninformed observer, a wannabe Brexiteer perhaps.

This American was talking to the American public, not the British public. The outcome has global implications but according to the Brexit camp it is none of their business.

"The Fed may need to defer a rate hike until after its June meeting, Kaplan suggested at an event at Boston College, because Britain's vote on whether to leave the European Union, taking place a week after the Fed meets, has the potential to spark a currency selloff and other unanticipated consequences."

http://uk.reuters.com/article/us-usa-fed-kaplan-rates-idUSKCN0YO2BH

Poster Neversure was talking to us, not to the American public!

I agree however there is a potential global impact as a result of Brexit which makes his view that we should leave even more peculiar.

Where do you get that from? They plan to defer a rate rise as a contingency plan, not that they support brexit. Nearly all the Fed governors as well as Obama have voiced in favour of remain, not something the Brexiteers want to hear.

Invariably a rise in US interest rates does not bode well for the pound, combined with a brexit vote the effect would be very significant and potential turmoil in the markets.

[chiang mai]

I beg to differ, how can a foreign citizen, an American no less, possibly be a Brexiteer, more like an unconnected uninformed observer, a wannabe Brexiteer perhaps.

This American was talking to the American public, not the British public. The outcome has global implications but according to the Brexit camp it is none of their business.

"The Fed may need to defer a rate hike until after its June meeting, Kaplan suggested at an event at Boston College, because Britain's vote on whether to leave the European Union, taking place a week after the Fed meets, has the potential to spark a currency selloff and other unanticipated consequences."

http://uk.reuters.com/article/us-usa-fed-kaplan-rates-idUSKCN0YO2BH

Poster Neversure was talking to us, not to the American public!

I agree however there is a potential global impact as a result of Brexit which makes his view that we should leave even more peculiar.

Where do you get that from? They plan to defer a rate rise as a contingency plan, not that they support brexit. Nearly all the Fed governors as well as Obama have voiced in favour of remain, not something the Brexiteers want to hear.

Invariably a rise in US interest rates does not bode well for the pound, combined with a brexit vote the effect would be very significant and potential turmoil in the markets.

I'm talking about post number 71.

[lifeincnx]

Vote Remain so Britons can go back to focusing on the weather and the inevitable failure of their football teams in the Euros.

Edited June 3, 2016 by lifeincnx

[Caps]

I beg to differ, how can a foreign citizen, an American no less, possibly be a Brexiteer, more like an unconnected uninformed observer, a wannabe Brexiteer perhaps.

This American was talking to the American public, not the British public. The outcome has global implications but according to the Brexit camp it is none of their business.

"The Fed may need to defer a rate hike until after its June meeting, Kaplan suggested at an event at Boston College, because Britain's vote on whether to leave the European Union, taking place a week after the Fed meets, has the potential to spark a currency selloff and other unanticipated consequences."

http://uk.reuters.com/article/us-usa-fed-kaplan-rates-idUSKCN0YO2BH

Poster Neversure was talking to us, not to the American public!

I agree however there is a potential global impact as a result of Brexit which makes his view that we should leave even more peculiar.

Where do you get that from? They plan to defer a rate rise as a contingency plan, not that they support brexit. Nearly all the Fed governors as well as Obama have voiced in favour of remain, not something the Brexiteers want to hear.

Invariably a rise in US interest rates does not bode well for the pound, combined with a brexit vote the effect would be very significant and potential turmoil in the markets.

Why do we want to hear Obama or Fed Governors bumping their lips? Whether Exit or Remain is ain't got nowt to do with them

Edited June 3, 2016 by Caps

[evadgib]

I'm for leaving and have seen nothing to date to change my mind. The only other option could be for us (Jocks and Irish too) to become the 51st state of the union which would eventually see Westminster truly becoming the mother of all Parliaments

(Tongue in cheek perhaps, but we certainly have a lot more in common!)

Edited June 3, 2016 by evadgib

[sandyf]

This American was talking to the American public, not the British public. The outcome has global implications but according to the Brexit camp it is none of their business.

"The Fed may need to defer a rate hike until after its June meeting, Kaplan suggested at an event at Boston College, because Britain's vote on whether to leave the European Union, taking place a week after the Fed meets, has the potential to spark a currency selloff and other unanticipated consequences."

http://uk.reuters.com/article/us-usa-fed-kaplan-rates-idUSKCN0YO2BH

Poster Neversure was talking to us, not to the American public!

I agree however there is a potential global impact as a result of Brexit which makes his view that we should leave even more peculiar.

Where do you get that from? They plan to defer a rate rise as a contingency plan, not that they support brexit. Nearly all the Fed governors as well as Obama have voiced in favour of remain, not something the Brexiteers want to hear.

Invariably a rise in US interest rates does not bode well for the pound, combined with a brexit vote the effect would be very significant and potential turmoil in the markets.

Why do we want to hear Obama or Fed Governors bumping their lips? Whether Exit or Remain is ain't got nowt to do with them

Exactly the point. The implications are global so it has everything to do with them.

This is one of the fundamental problems, the leave campaign cannot see beyond the UK borders.